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Published Date: 17 October 2008
BARACK Obama's tax plans had become a key issue in the presidential election even before the senator's celebrated encounter with Ohio's Joe the Plumber.
Centrepiece to the Democrat's promise of "change" is what amounts to a wealth transfer from the rich to everyone else that reverses years of tax cuts by the Bush administration.

Mr Obama's plan is to ramp up taxes for the top 5 per cent of the co
untry, enabling those lower down to get a rebate of $1,000 or more.

Independent analysis indicates that the sums balance out, but for the wealthier Americans it will mean a significant blow: one estimate reckons that someone earning $9 million a year will lose an additional $800,000 in taxes under Mr Obama.

Democrats defend the rise by saying that $500,000 of this bill is the result of a reversal of the Bush administration's tax cuts that, they say, have benefited the very wealthy.

But Mr Obama's own campaign admits that 184,000 small businesses stand to lose as well. The trigger is pulled for anyone earning $200,000, and they will face an extra 3 per cent tax for any earnings above this amount.

Earlier this week, Arizona senator John McCain unveiled a wave of tax cuts on items including child allowances, pensions, unemployment benefit, businesses and shareholder profits, all of which he says he will pay for by cutting wasteful Federal spending.

Critics say neither campaign has confronted the twin problems of the need to service a record national debt, and the likelihood that the expected recession will increase social security pay-outs, while decreasing the amount of tax revenue.

Obama hits

"Now, Senator McCain talks a lot about earmarks (elimination of pork barrel spending]. That's one of the centrepieces of his campaign. Earmarks account for 0.5 per cent of the total federal budget. It's not going to solve the problem."

"What the American people can't afford, though, is four more years of failed economic policies. And what they deserve over the next four weeks is that we talk about what's most pressing to them: the economic crisis."

"You have been a vigorous supporter of President Bush. You have shown commendable independence on torture but when it comes to the economic policy you are proposing eight more years of the same thing."

McCain hits

"You were going to put him (Joe the Plumber) on a higher tax bracket which was going to increase his taxes, which was going to cause him not to be able to employ people, when Joe is trying to realise the American dream."

"The whole premise behind Senator Obama's plans are class warfare, let's spread the wealth around."

"Senator Obama, I am not president Bush. I'm going to give a new direction to this economy in this country."

"Congressman John Lewis, an American hero, made allegations that Sarah Palin and I were somehow associated with the worst chapter in American history, segregation, deaths of children in church bombings. That was so hurtful. And, Senator Obama, you didn't repudiate those remarks."



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  • Last Updated: 17 October 2008 10:36 AM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: US elections
 
1

D. Feste - Illyria, OH,

17/10/2008 00:43:50

JOE OWES BACK TAXES AND APPARENTLY CAN'T EVEN PAY THE BILL TO THE HOSPITAL FOR HIS HEALTH CARE !

(From ABC News)
"There is a judgment lien against him for nonpayment of income tax," Barb Losie, deputy clerk of the Lucas County Court of Common Pleas, told ABCNews.com. "The state files hundreds of liens a day. It means he owes that money."

Losie said Wurzelbacher owes $1,182 from January 2007, but no action has been taken against him outside of filing the lien.

A second lien has been filed in the courthouse against Wurzelbacher for $1,261 that he apparently owes St. Charles Mercy Hospital. That lien was filed in March 2007.

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Poor Joe needs Obama's proposed tax cuts for working families, as well as access to adaquate health care.

Instead, he's McCain's latest poster-boy for American enterprise !

Another great pick from our Alzheimer's -inspired Republican candidate !

2

American,

17/10/2008 01:29:56
#1-D feste-And under obamas socialist universal healthcare plan, joe would have no bill because joe would probably have to wait forever for treatment--and he'd be dead. Also, if I was wealthy, I'd rather share my wealth with my family and businesses,waitresses,bartenders,charities, etc.... instead of having a socialist govt tell me I have to share my wealth with a babys momma who's other babys daddy is different from his/her daddy. Get the picture??

All of a sudden joe has liens put on him! Seems Joe crossed the socialist messiah obama!
3

Virginian,

USA 17/10/2008 04:13:51
American voters are starting to look at Obama's economic plan and to see how his socialistic idea of "spreading around the wealth" is going to hurt the very people that pay all the taxes.

Obama is so ignorant of economics that he would kill the golden goose of business that creates all the jobs and wealth by overtaxing it and giving it to those who contribute nothing in taxes.

Obama would pander to the unions by having protectionist trade policies that would further prolong the economic crisis and delay recovery as during the Great Depression.

This entire global economic meltdown started when in 2004 Barney Frank and other Democrats refused to rein in the sub-prime mortgage lending of Fannie Mae over the objections of McCain and the Republicans. (See YouTube 2004 Fannie Mae-Barney Frank video)

Democrats refuse to admit that they have been in control of Congress for the last two years and that they hold the purse strings.

Nancy Pelosi wants to "spread the wealth" to the 12 million illegal immigrants so that they can vote and participate in the American Dream at taxpayer expense.

Obama would not...or could not...answer one item that he would cut from the budget to bring it back into balance.

McCain said he could balance the budget in 4 years by getting rid of waste and mentioned specific pork barrel programs.

Obama said he could balance the budget in 10 years but refused to be specific.

Proverbs says that even a fool can appear to be wise if he keeps his mouth closed.
4

Postmark-55,

China, 17/10/2008 06:34:01
Probably isn't even a plumber, odds are he doesn't know a pipewrench from a Q-tip. McCain has a habit of picking the losers, look no further than Sarah Palin. Anything for your 15 minutes of fame eh Joe?
5

Turkey Jerky,

17/10/2008 09:51:43
Indeed, Joe doesn;t hold his plumbing license for Ohio. He hasn't paid his taxes and he's a registered replublican.

Own goal for McCain. Joe is also bringing in more than $250,000 a year. I am sure that the 3 percent increase would have a MASSIVE effect on his lifestyle,...NOT.
6

Number 6,

Germany 17/10/2008 12:52:13
Is there no depths this disgusting republican party wont plunge to ?. The whole thing was a set up with "Joe" now being outed . What further proof do the American people need to understand just how untrust-worthy McCain Palin and the rest of their species really are?
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17/10/2008 14:41:32
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SouthernGent,

17/10/2008 15:00:58
So typical of the "me" generation. I want it, but I don't want to work for it.

Socialism breeds laziness.

Give a child an allowance without chores, and he/she will expect that handout for the rest of their lives. All aboard the democratic train to wonderland.
9

Pilrig,

Livingston 17/10/2008 16:04:04
Comarades 2 & 3; you already have a socialist government and prez. In fact it's the only thing stopping yer country being in bigger financial doo-doo than it already is.
So, altogether comrades across the pond...
"The people's flag is deepest red,...."
10

Sandi,

San Diego 17/10/2008 16:06:05
Joe asked Obama a valid question and Obama answered it. The problem for Obama is that he answered it in front of cameras and microphones. "Spread the wealth" doesn't win elections in this country, as the Obama campaign knows perfectly well. Poor Joe has had more attention to his life in twenty-four hours than Obama has had in two years. There have been media people going through his trash and looking into his divorce records. This is yet another disgusting trashing of someone who dared to oppose The One by Obama and his minions. The major media completely ignores any kind of diligent examination of Obama's background, but we know all about Joe.

What the media failed to do, again, is look at any other people who might be more relevant to consider when you're worrying about tax liens. For instance, the treasurer of Obama's campaign, Martin Nesbitt, has tax liens and so do his companies. You will not see this mentioned anywhere at all.

http://hotair.com/archives/2008/10/17/guess-who-else-has-tax-liens/

11

Lynne,

Palm Beach Gardens 17/10/2008 16:43:55
The attack ons on Joe the Plumber is because he puts a face to the average Joe. The lien was put on him as he was going through a divorce.
First, the man NEVER said he earned $250,000, he just said he wanted to buy a business, and if the business earned that much, he asked if he would be taxed more.
Under Obama and Biden, his would never earn that amount of money.
Let me tell you, that I had a plumber to the house a few months ago. To walk through the door he charged $100.00. To do the work of changing a knob in the tub that had a stripped screw $80.00!! If a company (like the one my husband called) has vans and crews on the road, you can bet they earn close to $250,000 a year!!
But I digress, they are trying to make Joe a non-entity. And Joe Biden who has embellished every story he has ever told is out there deriding him, along with Obama, the man who didn't know his Pastor hated America, and Ayres was just a neighbor, and Rezko was a neighbor who just happened to be nice enough to buy the land next to his.
Where is the media? They refuse to investigate these
relationships are delving into Joe the Plumber's!!!
So the man has a lien on him...so what!!! Put that up next to the amount of houses in forclosure in America!! Are those people going to be made fun of next?
I saw the interview. He asked a legitmate question, and got an answer about the redistribution of wealth, so the "people behind him" would be taken care of too.
It's just not tha answer that made Joe the Plumber happy. So in typical Obama and Democratic style.. they throw him under the bus!!, and do character assassinations.

THAT is why I left the Democratic Party to become an Independent. What they don't like, they seek to destroy.. including Hillary attacking Hillary Clinton.

12

D. Feste - Illyria, OH,

17/10/2008 16:52:07
An understandable change of heart by conservative commentator David Brooks:

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/17/opinion/17brooks.html?_r=1&ref=opinion&oref=slogin

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By the way, SANDI and LYNNE-

Were you both former Hillary supporters ?
( My wife and I still are, but very much support Obama.)
13

Leftie,

UK 17/10/2008 16:58:46
Who really gives a monkey's t@ss about Joe the plumber?

Where do all these dumb american bimbos come from?

Why are English women sooo much smarter than american women?

You stupid republican bimbos can rant and rave till the cows come home, you're such idiots

Joe the plumber!

What a joke... Only in America...

Dumb fools
14

Virginian,

USA 17/10/2008 17:31:49
Article Quote:

"Centerpiece to the Democrat's promise of "change" is what amounts to a wealth transfer from the rich to everyone else that reverses years of cuts by the Bush administration."

Answer:

Nancy Pelosi, Democratic Speaker of the House and third in line to the Presidency, is among the richest members of Congress.

Pelosi's 19 million dollar ($19,000,000) net worth, according to her biographical information (Wikipedia), comes from the ownership of a great deal of San Francisco, California, real estate.

California's real estate market has tanked with the governor asking for a handout from President Bush to keep the state's offices open.

Democrats like Pelosi and Barney Frank are responsible for the Fannie Mae disaster that set off the global economic disaster.

Pelosi's husband apparently owns/owned a lot of stock that includes $5 million worth of Apple Computer, according to Wikipedia.

The Pelosi's will come out just fine when the economy recovers unlike thousands of Americans who lack Nancy's deep financial pockets.

Pelosi has a vested interest in a bailout of the economic system by putting middle-class taxpayers in debt for the tab.

Not only will the Pelosi's profit personally but the Democrats will have bought the votes of those who do not pay taxes, including 12 million illegal aliens to whom Pelosi has promised to transfer taxpayer money, if Obama is elected.
15

GalacticCannibal,

Murrieta CA for more WAR VOTE McCain 17/10/2008 17:33:53

Dudes .

This "Spread the wealth" take, from Obama 's answer to a lying GOP supported ,Joe NOT Plumber, is used in isolation by the geriatric McCain's attack dogs .

I mean how low can the GOP GO.

Obama a youger intelligent American man, has made a giant step forward in American politic in less than 5 years .

McCain the geriatric, has been in politics most of his life and has attempted to run for US Pres. for past 10 years and so far FAILED.

Now it looks like the evil Bush inherited his stupidity genes from his Dad.

here is a statement made by this dad in 1987

George H.W. Bush, as presidential nominee for the Republican party; 1987-AUG-27: "No, I don't know that Atheists should be considered as citizens, nor should they be considered as patriots. This is one nation under God.

No wonder my country is in the mess its in, with such angry , evil GOP leaders at the helm, living in their world of crowd control magic (Religion) and squawking about "in DOG we trust"


Chill Dudes...Chill

GC

16

we the people,

17/10/2008 17:50:49
why are you americans so scared of socialism? i don't think you'd know a socialist if he bit you on the backside - obama sure aint one. the way mccain in the last debate basically said 'yeah, we'll cut taxes for the rich yet again, and maybe a few crumbs of that will trickle down to ordinary people' - that, my friends, is class warfare. that it flies among anyone anymore is what baffles me.
17

Virginian,

USA 17/10/2008 18:18:06
Obama and the Democrats have made a fatal error.

They have revived the old, bad memories of the hippie era of the 1960's.

The socialistic anti-war movement started on the American college campuses.

Obama's friends such as Ayers and his wife Bernardine Dohrn were college students turned domestic terrorists during that time according to the FBI.

Ayers and Dohrn are even now professors on university campuses where they can radicalize students to their ideology.

Liberal radicals would be the obvious choices for Obama's advisors if he is elected president for the simple reason that he owes them for where he is now.

Sandi, San Diego, you are perfectly correct that the American voters have been jolted into reality with Obama's statement to Joe the Plumber that supported socialistic redistribution of the wealth by government.

Obama's slip will defeat him.

The American people will never again stand for a replay of the chaos created by the radical socialists as they did in the 1960's.

Vote McCain and Republican and throw out the "spread the wealth" Democrats!!!
18

Lynne,

Palm Beach Gardens 17/10/2008 18:32:38
12.. D. Feste.. I am now a McCain supporter. I find Obama a dangerous man.. who for some reason, every time they find another relationship of question, he calls it a distraction. Had this been McCain with those relationships, he would have been drummed out of the Senate.
I liked Hillary, was not fond of her Universal Health care.. and.. not fond of Obama's either.
I feel the Dems have gone so far left, they can't cross the aisle, and I am tired of politics the way it is...same old...same old.
19

Lynne,

Palm Beach Gardens 17/10/2008 18:46:57
#16..we the people. Who determines how much earnings is too much? Obama? Pelosi? Reid? The thought of the Terrible Trio having the right to decide and pushing this through a democratic House and Senate should scare everyone.
There is no way to have a veto. No more checks and balances.

Where does this leave the small businessman who is already hurt by recession, Wall Street, and the bailout?
Again it will be up the creek without a paddle.
My husband deals with many businesses, who tell him they are closing their doors and going out of business. Not only are they hurting, but our business hurts too, by them going out of business.
20

Lynne,

Palm Beach Gardens 17/10/2008 18:50:07
Joe the Plumber is everyman. The man who works to own his own business and a piece of the American dream..
With Obama in the White House, you can bet that will never happen. In spite of what he says.
America is made up of more Joe the Plumbers than people running for office, or Wall Street millionaires.
21

Lynne,

Palm Beach Gardens 17/10/2008 18:53:29
Joe the Plumber will be on FOX (Cable) on Sunday at 8... he will tell his own story.
22

Virginian,

USA 17/10/2008 19:23:00
#16 we the people

Quote:
"why are you americans so scared of socialism? obama sure aint (sic) one...that [McCain's cutting business tax], my friends is class warfare."

Answer:

Socialism, according to Karl Marx, is the transitional stage between capitalism and communism.

Communism is to be a classless society whereby the proletariat (we the people) are the dictators.

Marx's change from capitalism to socialism to communism was to be effected through active, organized revolution...a violent overthrow of capitalist government.

Class warfare was to be the means to bring Communism into being.

As you know, something went wrong on the way to the utopia of this classless society ruled by a proletariat dictatorship.

Communism ended up a ruthless dictatorship in the hands of a minuscule number of people such as Stalin and Lenin that stayed in power by a reign of terror.

Do not accuse McCain of perpetuating class warfare.

It is Obama and his socialistic supporters who hope to make the leap to a Communistic society.

My friend, the Average Joe in America is not apt to fall for this line that the government needs to spread around our wealth for us.

That is all that Joe the Plumber was saying on behalf of the rest of us.

McCain wins. Obama loses. Simple as that.


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GalacticCannibal,

Murrieta CA for more WAR VOTE McCain 17/10/2008 19:33:15
17
Virginian,
USA

Hey Dude , Both my parents were hippies . educated hippies, who made their first fortunes in the Microsoft start-up era.

Sounds like ur fanatical redneck GOP supporters are experts in attacking liberals.
They are the attack dogs of American politics. ,

Similar to Micheal Vick's attack pit bulls . But he now resides in a Federal prison. Where G W Bush and his father should be.

Read this comment from G H W Bush Sr.

George H.W. Bush, as presidential nominee for the Republican party; 1987-AUG-27: "No, I don't know that Atheists should be considered as citizens, nor should they be considered as patriots. This is one nation under God.

Yes we are a nation under DOG or DUCK or whatever "magic crowd control" U want to call it.

Relax dude . U ain't gonna change a dam thing

GC
24

Laurette,

Carlsbad, California 17/10/2008 19:40:41
Lynne: Well, I'm sure that Joe the Plumber will get a little extra cash from (who else would have him but Fox)And as for you NOW being a McCain supporter - you've been one from the start - a rather rabid one if I recall correctly.
#22 You're getting a little carried away with your attempt to portray Obama as a Socialist/Marxist/ Communist as he has been called. How about Medicare? Isn't that somehow Socialist? Do you actually think this Country is in any danger of becoming a Communist Country as you imply if Obama dares to fool the majority of the electorate. I would suggest that the more intelligent people in the Country are his supporters and are not going to be afraid - unlike some, mostly Palin supporters.
25

SouthernGent,

17/10/2008 19:58:38
16 & 24

What term would you like to use when people get up every morning and go to work for whatever salary they make and then have to turn around and give it to others that CHOOSE not to do the same?

Society needs to take care of those that CAN'T take care of themselves, NOT those that WON'T take care of themselves.

So you think it is OK for Doctors, Lawyers, etc to spend 6 to 8 years of their lives putting themselves through college, and then have to share what they earn with individuals that CHOSE to drop out of a free education system?

In your system, if student A studies 24/7 with NO social life and earns all A's, he must share those A's with student B that parties 24/7 and does no studying.

Somewhere your wires are crossed if you can justify it.
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SouthernGent,

17/10/2008 20:03:04
#24
"I would suggest that the more intelligent people in the Country are his supporters and are not going to be afraid "

That would be a bad suggestion. The majority of his supporters are uneducated and are looking for handouts, that is why they support him.
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Lynne,

Palm Beach Gardens 17/10/2008 20:26:26
Laurette, I guess you missed Joe on either Good Morning America, or the Today Show, or CBS Morning. He was on one of those..most likely Good Morning America.. because he signed an agreeement with them, and couldn't go on any other show until he did theirs.
Please... don't presume to tell me who I support. What the Democrats did to Joe Lieberman was the last straw for me. The media and their biases added to it.
But since I was 18 I was a Democrat... no more..
You worry about you, I'll take car3e of me and my family by voting for McCain.
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Virginian,

USA 17/10/2008 21:18:41
#23 GalacticCannibal
Quote:
"Both my parents were hippies. educated hippies, who made their first fortunes in the Microsoft start-up era."

Answer:

Being educated does not mean that you are wisely intelligent or moral. Some of the most well-educated have been the most evil and wealthy criminals in the world.

Karl Marx, a Founding Father of Communism, was a lawyer and had a Ph.D. in philosophy.

Marx was from an affluent background but managed to fritter away the inheritance from his family and that of his wife's.

He was so lazy that his wife and children lived in abject poverty while he sat in a library in London scribbling out his theories of how to bring down the economic system of industrial capitalism that had educated him and provided him with a living.

William Ayers and Bernardine Dohrn are lawyers from affluent families. They became domestic terrorists in an attempt to bring down the US government.

A former FBI agent was on FOX News online this morning and commented that Ayers and Dohrn were on the run for ten years before turning themselves into the police for having set bombs at Federal buildings, the Pentagon and police stations.

Bernardine was on the FBI's ten most wanted list and had been involved in the Brink's armed robbery in which two policemen were killed.

Three members of Ayer's and Dohrn's Weather group blew themselves up while at a house used to make their bombs. Pictures were shown of the Communist literature that was found in the house along with numerous guns and bomb-making materials.

Obama had to have known the terrorist background of Ayers and Dohrn according to the FBI agent.

Obama pleading ignorance shows that he is in fact dishonest and willing to perjure himself before the American people.

Your parents being educated hippies who made fortunes under our capitalist system explains why you support Castro and Chavez.

Socialism breeds not only laziness but rank ingratitude that can result in a desi
29

Virginian,

USA 17/10/2008 21:29:46
#28 (Cont'd.)

Socialism breeds not only laziness but a rank ingratitude that often results in a desire to destroy the hand that feeds it.

John McCain is the only safe choice for President.
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Laurette,

Carlsbad, California 17/10/2008 22:09:36
#29* Well - lets hope if McCain is elected , he stays in good health because I sure as Heck don't want to have a crazy woman as President:

Then there's the God stuff: Palin belongs to a church whose pastor, Ed Kalnins, believes that all criticisms of George Bush "come from hell," and wondered aloud if people who voted for John Kerry could be saved. Kalnins, looming as the answer to Obama's Jeremiah Wright, claims that Alaska is going to be a "refuge state" for Christians in the last days, last days which he sometimes speaks of in the present tense. Palin herself has been captured on video mouthing the inevitable born-again idiocies, such as the idea that a recent oil-pipeline deal was "God's will." She also described the Iraq War as a "task that is from God" and part of a heavenly "plan." She supports teaching creationism and "abstinence only" in public schools, opposes abortion even for victims of rape, has denied the science behind global warming and attends a church that seeks to convert Jews and cure homosexuals.
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SouthernGent,

17/10/2008 22:51:52
#30
Talking about being afraid. Palin has an 80% approval rating in Alaska. Have you seen her running around with her cross and broom attempting to convert the residents of Alaska? Hardly.

Now, if you want to get into religion, we can talk for days about Rev. Wright. It amazes me that you are so afraid of Sarah Palins religion but not Obama/Wrights religion. Makes no sense.
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Virginian,

USA 17/10/2008 23:29:42
#30 Laurette, Carlsbad, California

Quote: "...I sure as Heck don't want to have a crazy woman as President."

Answer: How about Foot-in-Mouth Biden as President?

Notice that Obama's team has circled the wagons around Biden ever since he opined that it was FDR who went on TV in 1929 when the stock market crashed.
Never mind that Hoover was President and TV had not been invented yet.

Everyone is assumed to have forgotten that Biden had to bow out of his 1987 run for President when he plagiarized part of a speech of a British politician.

Next came the information that Biden had failed a law school paper because he plagiarized 5 pages. His excuse was that he didn't know the rules of citation.

Biden hasn't done too well on the religion angle either.

Seems he had been excommunicated by his Catholic bishop because of his pro-abortion political stance.

But Joe Biden wasn't going to be told what the do by his church...he took the mass anyway.

Then we have his military service during Vietnam. Whoops! Biden didn't go into the military because after 5 deferments from the draft he finally got a permanent deferral by remembering that he had asthma as a child.

As far as Biden's health it doesn't look too good. He's had two brain aneurysms that required brain surgery and he lost 7 months out of work.

What if he has another stroke...

Guess we'd get Nancy "Stretch" Pelosi if Biden didn't make it.

Talk about a crazy woman as President!!!
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GalacticCannibal,

Murrieta 18/10/2008 00:27:13
28
Virginian,
USA

Your parents being educated hippies who made fortunes under our capitalist system explains why you support Castro and Chavez...
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Dude, no where will U find a statement of support by me for either Castro or Chavez.

But I do admire their guts and determination, to stand up to, and survive attacks from my country the US .

They remind me of the IRISH who stood up to and never gave in the English Crown.

Think about this DUDE, I cannot go to CUBA to buy a world best Cigar. If I do I will face arrest by my government . What utter cra*p is that.

Yet I can fly to Beijing CHINA and buy their junk goods, and return home and not face arrest . Yet the CCP ban their 1.3 billion Chinese citizens for voting.

As for ur comment on ingratitude . Give me one great reason why I should be grateful for my materialistic status on this planet.

It was chance that I was born to a wealthy (self-made) parents . I could have by chance been born to wealthy German parents .. or French .. or English , or Japanese , or even Canadian. Just chance Dude.

Or I could have been born in a bamboo Hut in desolate Ethiopia to a dying mother (from aids) with no food or water .

Suggest U wander off into the Appalachian Woods and pick wild shrooms, and the rest is easy.

Relax Dude

GC
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Virginian,

USA 18/10/2008 01:03:57
#33 GC,
Why don't you trade your US citizenship with someone from Cuba, Venezuela or Ireland?

That way we could all be grateful and satisfied with your situation.


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57Nomad,

california 18/10/2008 01:23:04
For a lighter look at campaigning:

http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=iRSmQqw65Pg
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Rob Bennett,

Point Piper Australia - God's Country 18/10/2008 03:42:36
All you republicans blockheads and bimbos out there need to realise that Joe the Plumber is NOT a real plumber. That's all that matters. End of story

JOE whose REAL name is Samuel J. Wurzelbacher is UNLICENCED therefore is NOT A REAL PLUMBER

N..O..T A R..E..A..L P..L..U..M..B..E..R

Turns out that the man who was held up by John McCain as the typical, hard-working American taxpayer isn't really a licensed plumber. And court documents show he owes nearly $1,200 in back taxes
he burly, bald man acknowledged he doesn't have a plumber's licence, but said he didn't need one because he works for someone else at a company that does residential work.
But Wurzelbacher still would need to be a licensed apprentice or journeyman to work in Toledo, and he's not, said David Golis, manager and residential building official for the Toledo Division of Building Inspection.
http://canadianpress.google.com/article/ALeqM5g_B5aXn95i97MXXdvIbCs97ASRlQ
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Lynne,

Palm Beach Gardens 18/10/2008 04:37:40
Isn't it amazing, at the time the FBI is investigating ACORN, there was a mysterious break-in in their headquarters in Massachusettes taking some of their computers?
Rob Bennett... he is a plumber, OBAMA WALKED UP TO HIM.
He did not walk up to OBAMA.. He asked a question. This is America, we CAN ASK questions.

The MEDIA who has looked into every nook and cranny on Sarah Palin has NOT looked into Ayers, Rezko, Wright, etc.. is now delving into the background of an average Joe on the street. An American who went through a divorce, like many other America, who works 10-12 hours a day, for a piecce of the American Dream, and personifies most of us, when we say REDISTRIBUTION is NOT good for America.
So as a PINHEAD Aussie, you have very little to say about OUR election. The choice will made on Nov.4th by Americans, and if ACORN has its way, by iilegal aliens, 7 year olds, and people who have registered up to 73 times to push the Democratic Agenda.
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Virginian,

USA 18/10/2008 05:07:53
#36 Rob Bennett

Quote:

"All you republican blockheads and bimboes out there..."

Answer:

Rob, what possible reason do you have to address other people in such a rude manner?

Are you frustrated about something and it makes you feel better to vent your spleen over the internet?

No one is impressed by your juvenile postings.

Please cease and desist.
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Portree,

Further north than most 18/10/2008 09:45:48
36 Rob Bennett

The story is not about average Joe, it's about how Obama answered the question. Anyone attacking Average Joe has now been exposed as an agenda driven idiot.
41

SouthernGent,

18/10/2008 14:45:23
#36
Maybe you need to do a wee bit more research. One doesn't necessarily have to be licensed to "be" a lot of things. If you do the work, you can call yourself whatever you want. There are many plumbers, electricians, carpenters, and even airplane mechanics that are not licensed, only the one signing off on the paperwork has to be licensed in many places. Just because you say so doesn't mean Joe isn't a plumber.
42

Rob Bennett,

Point Piper Australia 18/10/2008 14:46:41
#37 Lynne
"This is America, we CAN ASK questions."
I don't believe a Scottish website is part of America
"you have very little to say about OUR election. The choice will made on Nov.4th by Americans,"
When the choice IS made let’s hope you Americans learn not to interfere with sovereign countries. Stay on your own soil and leave the rest of the world in peace

#38 Virginian,USA
"Rob, what possible reason do you have to address other people in such a rude manner?"

What possible reason is there for YOU to support war criminals that are responsible for the deaths of over 100,000 Iraqi civilians?
What possible reason is there for YOU to support a party that attacked and bombed a sovereign country with NO UN mandate?
What possible reason is there for YOU to support a party that uses rendition to torture people without a trial?
What possible reason is there for YOU to support a party that permits torture at Guantanamo Bay?

Can’t you see, you’re as guilty as them

And you have the audacity to ask me “what possible reason do you have to address other people in such a rude manner?"

I’ll “cease and desist” when you Americans cease committing war crimes
43

Rob Bennett,

Point Piper Australia 18/10/2008 14:59:16
#41 SouthernGent
As #39 J McGlome pointed out, it's just so crazy that the American election is revolving around this 'Joe the Plumber' farce when there are so many important issues in the world today that need to be addressed
44

SouthernGent,

18/10/2008 16:02:53
#43
Joe represents a big issue, redistribution of wealth(socialism).

The very idea of having some people work so others don't have to is fundamentally wrong. Why punish people for making good choices and reward people for making bad choices? I went to night school for 12 years in order to better myself, yet there are others that CHOOSE to drop out before high school, and I have to work for them? Its unjustifiable.
45

Rob Bennett,

Point Piper Australia 18/10/2008 17:17:36
#44 SouthernGent
"I went to night school for 12 years in order to better myself, yet there are others that CHOOSE to drop out before high school, and I have to work for them? Its unjustifiable".
That's fair enough, I understand
What irks me about America is the fact that there is no free universal health care. We have Medicare here which is of course a form of socialism, one and a half percent of an individual's taxable income to help cover people that can't afford private health care, but it works so well. I'm in a private fund 'HCF' that means I can select my doctor if required and obtain free dental care from my personal dentist but there's not much difference. Check it out
http://www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/abs@.nsf/7d12b0f6763c78caca257061001cc588/A50BD9743BF2733ACA2573D2001078D8?opendocument
46

Virginian,

USA 18/10/2008 17:51:37
#45 Rob Bennett,PointPiperAustralia

Quote:

"What irks me about America is...there is no free universal health care. We have Medicare here...a form of socialism."

Answer:

Rob, could it be that you are an American and not an Australian as posted?

Could it also be that you are a socialist and Obama supporter?

Could it be that you changed your tune with Southern Gent because you thought he was a blue collar worker because he had gone to night school for 12 years...as in "Workers of the world unite" Marxism?

Could it be that you have been "outed" with all your ranting about Americans posting on "The Scotsman" while you are merely an American Obama socialist trying to rule the internet?

47

SouthernGent,

18/10/2008 18:28:48
#45
Google medicaid. We do have basically what you have. Can it be modified and upgraded, absolutely. The democrats want to re-invent the wheel instead.
48

Rob Bennett,

Point Piper Australia 19/10/2008 04:02:25
#46 Virginian,USA
"could it be that you are an American and not an Australian as posted"
Does travelling across the US for one month makes me american?
"Could it also be that you are a socialist and Obama supporter"
Our water supply is owned by the government
Our electricity generators are owned by the government
Our major telecommunications company 'Telstra' is 50% owned by the government
We have free universal health care that is regarded as the best in the world
Does that make us socialists? You tell me smartie?
I've worked very hard and have been fortunate to live the way I choose and I donate a lot of money to African organizations
Does that also make me a socialist?
Some people are so paranoid of the word 'socialist'
Didn't your government take over Fannie and Freddie recently? Does that make you a socialist?

And yes, I support Obama and what he stands for. Your republican mob have done enough damage to the world that we all just happen to be part of.

You still didn't answer any of my previous questions. I'll post another:

"Why do republican big mouth bimbos sit back in arm chairs watching American men do all the fighting for them in Iraq and Afghanistan?

"If you're such an avid supporter of war then why not get up off your backside and join them in Iraq and Afghanistan and fight alongside your fellow citizens?

#47 SouthernGent
"The democrats want to re-invent the wheel instead"
Maybe starting from scratch isn't such a bad idea if it means getting it right.

The nearest major hospital to my place (10 mins) is St Vincent's Private and St Vincent's General, both are highly regarded. Hospitals all over Australia attract top doctors and specialists from every corner of the world. The conservative Liberal Party was initially opposed to Medicare (just like the republicans) however once Medicare was established and the hurdles and speed bumps successfully negotiated with some fine tuning there was no turning back the clock. Medicare h
49

Rob Bennett,

Point Piper Australia 19/10/2008 04:05:41
cont.
Medicare has become the great success story for the middle wing Labor Party and Australia.
http://www.svhm.org.au/
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Virginian,

USA 20/10/2008 04:50:53
#45 Rob Bennett, Australia

Quote:
"What irks me about America is...there is no free universal health care."

Answer:
What possible reason could an Australian have for being "irked" about America not having free universal health care?

You are not a US citizen and are not entitled to any benefits the US offers.

As Southern Gent mentioned the US does have Medicare for those over 65 and Medicaid for those below a certain income level.

Rob, you are a busybody who spends an inordinate amount of time making inane comments about the US election...when you don't get to vote.

You are now making further ridiculous comments about being "irked" about our health care.

I am perfectly happy with our health care, and I enjoy debating the relative merits of candidates for US political office as is my right of Free Speech.

Why not mind your own business and save your "irks" for Australia's perceived shortcomings?





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Lynne,

Palm Beach Gardens 20/10/2008 22:32:09
Rob Bennet.. do you worry about Canada's Health care? or for that matter England's? They wait months to be seen by specialists, and months for operations. Canadians come here to America, to get work done, because they are dying while waiting to be seen in Canada.
And, If I remember correctly, the English have said they go to France.
I suggest you should be "irked" with them
53

Dragonhead,

Dalian,China 22/10/2008 04:51:44
#33 GC You could have been born of wealthy German parents..or left in a small condom in the rubbish bin.Lucky for you, unlucky for us.

 

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