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Published Date: 16 September 2008
A LEADING wildlife expert has called for Scotland to accelerate plans to re-introduce extinct species.
Speaking ahead of a major conference today, Roy Dennis said he thinks the Highlands could support the reintroduction of the lynx and the wolf.

But Mr Dennis, who was instrumental in bringing the white-tailed sea eagle back to Scotland, said he worries Scotland is too "conservative" when it comes to reintroductions.

Mr Dennis, honorary president of the Highland Wildlife Foundation, said: "I've always been keen on us having lynx and wolf back – I think they could all live in the Highlands again.

"But I'm still seriously concerned that we're extremely conservative in this country. Industry, agriculture and other forms of human activity just get on with things. You have a far greater entrepreneurial spirit in business but in wildlife conservation it's all terrible slow and bureaucratic. We could do so much more."

Both conservation bodies and government agencies would have to improve the way they work together in order to speed up the process, he added.

The "Wild, free and coming back?" event – which has been organised by the charity Trees For Life and the Wildland Network at Findorn, in Moray – will discuss current re-introduction projects, including sea eagles in the east of Scotland.

Delegates will also debate the re-introduction of other species, such as wild boar.

The two-day conference will hear about ongoing habitat restoration projects, including the Carrifran Wildwoods in the Moffat Hills, efforts to restore the Caledonian Forest in Glen Affric and the much-publicised project at Alladale, in Sutherland, which featured in the recent BBC2 series The Real Monarch Of The Glen.

Paul Lister, who inherited a fortune his father had amassed through the MFI chain, already has elk and wild boar on his Alladale Estate and wants to bring back lynx, wolves and bears.

Dan Puplett, one of the conference organisers at Trees For Life, said: "Many of the discussions will be about long-term aims but we'll be looking about ways of moving reintroductions forward.

One of the topics will be wolves and a theoretical target of reintroducing them by 2043, 300 years after legend says the last wolf was shot in Scotland.

"We will also talk about the beaver and the lynx, which many people think is a much more realistic candidate."

While delegates will consider further re-introductions, a number of species are already back in Scotland. Beavers will be reintroduced next spring to a trial site in Knapdale, in mid-Argyll, in a project run by the Scottish Wildlife Trust and the Royal Zoological Society of Scotland.

Simon Jones, the project manager, said: "At the moment, the 20 beavers for the trial are being caught in family groups in Norway. They will be held there for four weeks before being brought to Devon, which has the best facilities in the country for quarantining these animals."

Last month, a further 15 young Norwegian sea eagles were released on the east coast. Claire Smith of the RSPB, said: "One of the males has been on the Isle of May since 23 August, eating fulmar chicks and gulls, while one of the females has commuted between Montrose Basin, in Angus, and the site in Fife where most of the chicks are still roosting."

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  • Last Updated: 16 September 2008 10:14 AM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Wildlife Watch
 
1

Masterpiece,

16/09/2008 00:23:16
More English Landlords wanting to introduce alien species into the land that was cleared of Gaelic speaking Highlanders during the Clearances.

And they now call it a Wilderness; get rid of the Landlords.
2

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 16/09/2008 00:30:34

"conservative"

Is this Margaret Thatcher reborn in the picture,?
3

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16/09/2008 00:33:23
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4

Fifi la Bonbon,

16/09/2008 00:39:03
I think they should feed eejits like this "leading wildlife expert" to a flock of lynxes and a herd of wolves, and be done with it.

There's a good reason why humans got rid of these beasties. The Highlands, and all the other bits of Scotland for that matter, are not playparks for indulging the hobby of pointless academics and the [very rude word] heirs of [another very rude word]s who made a fortune flogging shoddy kitchen units to an unsuspecting public.

There are plenty lynxes and wolves in America. They can stay there. Let's repopulate the Highlands with people first.
5

ThomasP,

16/09/2008 00:41:41
"One of the topics will be wolves and a theoretical target of reintroducing them by 2043, 300 years after legend says the last wolf was shot in Scotland."

I dounbt they will last long. Farmers will be getting their rifles ready.
6

jett,

aden 16/09/2008 01:22:24
the too conservative scotland means the rich not having as many grouse or pheasant to shoot. they almost wiped out the scottish wild cat and other species to maintain artificially high numbers of game birds on the hunting estates for the rich and ruling elites.
7

jett,

aden 16/09/2008 01:31:03
as far as wolves go it is a dutch landlord who is or was spearheading the introduction of European wolves scotland. they would be unsafe and i think that it is always fantasist people who think of these things.
8

Guga II,

Rockall 16/09/2008 02:14:54
Here we go again. More foreigners from England who think that the Scottish highlands and islands are playparks for the idle rich. They are not. People live and work in these areas.

Times have changed, this is not the Scotland of the 12th century or similar. We cannot have wild and dangerous animals roaming free about the Scottish countryside; or escaping from fenced in estates owned by the idle rich. Are the fools and idiots who are proposing this going to be liable for any livestock, or people that are attacked or killed by the wild and dangerous animals they want to reintroduce?

Any Scottish government or council that allows the reintroduction of such wild animals is going to be on a hiding to nothing as far as the population of the highlands and islands are concerned.

As pointed out above, I will be among the many that will be cleaning their rifles to deal with such dangerous pests if they are ever reintroduced.
9

US Cavalry,

Virginia 16/09/2008 03:30:00
Lynx will rid you of small vermin. Wolves will rid you of sheep. Bad idea on Wolves. Ask the American Rancher.
10

Eileen Findlay,

Gold River, California 16/09/2008 04:46:04
Question? How does one "re-introduce an EXTINCT SPECIES"? Sounds like Jurassic Park!! We live in a large 2735 homes community, in a highly built up area close to major highways and are plagued with mountain lions. We pay for the maintenance and upkeep of miles of private bike and walking trails within our community through our homeowner association dues, but are afraid to walk on them due to mountain lions coming in to feast on the deer and wild turkeys which thrive in the underbrush. It got so bad that the HOA was forced to install signs warning homeowners of the danger of walking on the trails due to the mountain lions. A few years ago a jogger was attacked and killed by a mountain lion in a community 20 minutes from ours and there have been numerous attacks on cyclists and joggers throughout California. The "pro-environmentalists and wild life" activists lobbied against reducing the mountain lion population, consequently the lions are becoming bolder and bolder, and have even jumped fences to kill pets in our backyards. At one point our local school was put on high alert due to a mountain lion sighting in the playground.
11

Randomly Blocked Poster, ,

16/09/2008 06:02:13
#11 EF, Maybe reintroductions do have a purpose.
12

Jim A,

16/09/2008 06:35:25
I don't think this has been very well thought out, surely Mr Dennis must know that the area roamed by one pack of wolves can range from 200 to 800 square miles. Given the size of the Scottish Highlands this would be barely enough to support just one pack. Then there is the food problem, if the wolves don't decimate the deer herds first they will certainly cost farmers a heck of a lot of money as the wolves slaughter their sheep and cattle. Make no mistake if a wolf pack can bring down an adult Moose or Elk cattle will be no problem for them.
13

Lanna,

Calif desert 16/09/2008 06:50:21
#4
It's actually the cougar (mountain lion) that is a danger, and the occasional hungry/thirsty bear. Lynx or Bobcats go after small animals/rodents and are not overly aggressive to something bigger than themselves. I've been out riding (my horse) and came within 'two car lengths' from one. He just turned away and kept walking.
A cougar will stalk you from behind and pounce from behind or above, even onto a horse and rider; and they will go into yards after children, dogs, livestock. They are very aggressive. (and unfortunately are protected here in California, even with them killing people)
Wolves will go after livestock, if there's not enough easy game. Although they seem to be doing well enough in Yellowstone Park; but again, I'd have to see the stats and hear from the ranchers as well as the biologists. Children in playyards? Again, I'd have to see the stats, and would want to learn more of their pack behavior.
The Highlands seem as awfully small area to being introducing wolves, esp with so many people entering into the area as well. Are there enough deer,etc to sustain a pack/s?
Lynx, would probably be ok, and may help rid the area of those pesky grey squirrels that the Scotsman is always writing about!
14

Andyfromedinburgh,

Edinburgh 16/09/2008 07:12:54
Conservative.. I would say Mr Dennis hit the nail (almost) on the head. I would say reactionary. See the comments.. especially from the usual suspects.

Scottish visionaries rarely contribute to these columns... pity.

Ask the next generation what their vision of the Highlands could be. Would they be excited and inspired to see (or hear) the occaisional wolf or lynx? Visit a primary school.Children have litle fear......

15

Corrennie,

16/09/2008 07:13:29
## 4 ##

All the more reason to introduce them into the schemes and feral housing estates!
16

Boy Wonder,

16/09/2008 07:15:35
Personally, I don't think the Highlands can sustain the reintroduction of certain predatory species. The worst of them all has already ruined the country for the ones that can't speak!
17

Iain's,

Barcelona 16/09/2008 08:42:30
Great experiment!

We could see if the lrdgend of all the school kids killed by wolves at Balfron is true or not.

A an old Spanish guy said recently about the wolves and bears reintroduced into his area said,"Now I get the wife to take the rubbish out at night!"


p.s. How about protecting the native wild cat before introducing the Lynx.

18

Unimpressed one,

16/09/2008 08:43:08
Surely the point is that when all these animals were extant in the highlands we had substantial forest cover. Now that's all gone. Isn't this putting the cart before the horse - we need to restore the trees before the bees!
19

Brodric,

16/09/2008 08:43:42
We have regular culls of deer. Wolves eat deer. They also eat other small rodents and also berries.

The biggest problem would be for sheep farmers, especially those around forested areas.

They are not a big danger to humans, with the exception of very tough winters when they can't find food.

I have walked in forests populated by wolves, bear and wild boar, both in the summer (in winter only in daytime and in a big group of people) and have never met boar or wolves.

I have only once seen wolves from a night train passing through a forest in mid-winter. Though I have seen many bears, once a fairly close encounter, fortunately in the summer and downwind.

Not sure if its a good idea or not, but most people living in countries with wolves and plentiful deer, don't see wolves very often. Bears are generally a much bigger problem as they are not that afraid of meeting humans or entering human areas to scavenge for food.
20

Slioch,

Scottish Highlands 16/09/2008 08:48:14
If many of the above comments are anything to go by then Roy Dennis was being rather too complimentary in using the word "conservative".

Lynx are solitary ambush hunters that are very shy of (and absolutely no danger to) human beings. If reinstated in the Highlands they would mainly live in woodlands preying on roe deer, thus helping to reduce the damage deer do to woodlands. It is estimated that the Highlands could sustain about 400 lynx.

Lynx have already been reinstated with benefit in many areas of continental Europe. There, people seem to be more receptive to change and new ideas, and are prepared to listen to reason and evidence.

21

Richard Taylor,

Aberdeen 16/09/2008 08:55:05
Lynx - yes
Wolves - hmm, not sure, maybe
Bear - no thanks

And agree re the Scottish wildcat.
22

Slioch,

Scottish Highlands 16/09/2008 09:01:24
#19 Unimpressed one

You are correct to suggest that it was the loss of forest habitat that contributed substantially to the extinction of the lynx in Britain, but that situation has changed dramatically in the last century. In northern Scotland there is now about 15,000 square kilometres of suitable habitat for lynx.

Have a look at the following presentation that provides a detailed case for the reinstatement of this beautiful animal to Scotland:

http://www.wildland-network.org.uk/meetings/gregynog/missing_lynx.pdf
23

GavFaeMonty,

Oot o' meh tree 16/09/2008 10:33:53
As a mountain biker and trail runner, this would be an excuse to start carrying a gun. Coooool. Bring it on.
24

bluehead,

edinburgh 16/09/2008 10:58:14
who needs a lynx,?when we a fox like Alex Salmond,there's just no comparison
25

drunken proffet,

Tassy 16/09/2008 11:26:44
See in the good old days when a teenager stepped out of line, they staked him out on the mountain to be eaten by the wild animals. About the only thing that would eat Scottish teenagers would be the midges. Bring back the lynx, bear, wolf, and anything else that would do the job. That is unless you want the wee bandit to come back down with a smirk on his face.
26

King Banana,

Edinburgh 16/09/2008 11:55:35
#9 Guga II - "We cannot have wild and dangerous animals roaming free about the Scottish countryside".

Quite right, they should be in housing estates where they belong. How will they get their Tennents Super and methadone if they are out in the hills bothering picnicers?

#14 Lanna - Unfortunately, they'll reintroduce the lynx away from grey squirrel strongholds although some lynx in Princes Street Gardens might add spice to an otherwise dull area.
27

LaundryEnd,

Shropshire 16/09/2008 12:34:13
Good story, hope the beaver project goes well and that others follow.
The posts about wild animals reminded me of a story I read when there were a number of sightings of big cats around the UK a year or so back. Apparently, a leopard was being transported by lorry through the suburbs of a South African city, I think it was Johannesburg. The lorry was involved in a crash, overturned, and the leopard escaped into town. The local populace demanded that action be taken, and the city authority set traps to recover the animal. The next morning they had seven leopards, none of which was the one lost!
The moral being, these animals were around anyway, without being any problem to most people.
Sound familiar?
28

Saoghal Beag,

16/09/2008 12:41:54
how does the reintroduction of lynx impact on wild cats? would they not compete and the wild cat be pushed thatbit closer to extinction. Should we not spend the money protected teh speceis we have left?
29

ignorant townie?,

Scotland 16/09/2008 12:52:33
Well...at least this got everyone talking..

Roy Dennis is right about conservatism...but its not just in wildlife conservation that the problem lies. Its in land use/land management. The people involved there, apart from a few mavericks such as Lister, are deeply conservative in their views. Thats why much of Scotland is unfit for the return of such animals [and birds].

Grouse moors are an artificial unbalanced stupidity, when looked at from an ecological perspective. Ditto "Deer Forest" - the biggest misnomer of all time with a forest animal forced to destroy its own habitat by fencing.

We need some forward thinking landowners/government to put back far more wild land, then you can let the predators back in...Im afraid that if you do it now they will go for livestock or "game"...what else have they got?

and just in case someone thinks Im an animalcentric econut...putting people back in much of the Highlands the way they are now would not work either!!
30

TimW1234,

Ottawa, Canada 16/09/2008 12:54:49
I believe the species of beaver that is planned to be introduced into mid-Argyll is different from the one we have in Canada.

Here, the beaver - one of our national symbols, along with the loon and the moose - causes much damage to trees and creates widespread flooding by its creation of dams.

I certainly hope your species is not as destructive as ours.

After reading a few articles in today's edition, I am wondering just how many environmental and wildlife-saving and sustainable organisations there are in the world now.

It seems to be a growth industry and just how many of these groups can the world support?
31

Saoghal Beag,

16/09/2008 13:47:36
38 still think the money can be better spentt on our current species.
32

celtic4,

USA 16/09/2008 15:30:55
#11...You introduce an extinct species this way...if a country used to have the species, and now does not, it is extinct in THAT country. That is what this article is about. Duh.
As for the Lynx, I think it would be good to have them to help control vermin.
As for the wolf? I would actually hesitate there, because of the sheep and cattle risks. It may cause a real problem that is for now not there. Think about it.
33

celtic4,

USA 16/09/2008 15:32:20
I might add that I haven't seen either a wolf or lynx in this country in the wild so they are not numerous.Bears are something else again and getting more numerous all the time.
34

Slioch,

Scottish Highlands 16/09/2008 16:39:55
Much of the research required to assess whether it would be possible to reinstate the lynx into Scotland has already been done. The answer is yes. There is now sufficient forest, with plenty of roe (and red and Sika) deer) to support about 400 lynx in the Highlands.

See:

http://www.wildland-network.org.uk/meetings/gregynog/missing_lynx.pdf

and

http://www3.interscience.wiley.com/journal/120122107/abstract?CRETRY=1&SRETRY=0


35

Lanna,

Calif desert 16/09/2008 17:25:22
#29 KingB,
ah, I'm not sure. Do you think it fair to subject the poor shy cats to the bucky-fueled natives that might be preying about?
On second thought, perhaps wolves would be better, they do cull herds. The howling of a ned is no match for making the hair on the back your neck stand up, as a pack of wolves
(I'm actually serious on that, very eerie to hear 40 wolves howl at once) :)
36

Bob Fae Fife,

16/09/2008 17:42:37
#4
The feedback from America is that parents are scared to let their children play in the back garden because of lynx and wolves.

Not so my friend. I have lived and camped out in the Rocky mountain region for several years now and have never seen any of the above. The Lynx only grows to 30 Ibs and wont attack children, it was re introduced into Colorado in the 90’s. Now the Cougar / Mountain lion will attack people and does so regularly. Wolfs are mostly only seen in Northern Wyoming where they were re introduced into Yellow stone several years ago.
37

Stirling Sentinel,

Stirling 16/09/2008 17:50:25
#2 Masterpiece. What inane nonsense! The only alien species around these days are Scots Nats. Perhaps another Highland Clearance could help reduce numbers and leave the rest to the wolves and lynx to deal with.
38

Nellie,

Liverpool 16/09/2008 19:46:34
#18 Quite right! The native Wild Cat is having a tugh time as it is without adding another type of cat to compete with it.

#37 Tim, the European Beaver is about as destructive as the N American version. They've got four of the blighters in a pen at Martin Mere Wildfowl & Wetlands Trust place in Lancashire and they're running out of trees!
39

Mariposa,

17/09/2008 12:53:38
#36: a response

The beaver you refer to is the North American beaver, Castor canadensis. The species that will be reintroduced to a trial site in Argyll is the European beaver, Castor fiber. The two species are genetically different, and display different behaviour patterns. Notably, European beavers do not build dams on the same large scale that North American beavers are (in)famous for.

#49 The European beavers you refer to in Martin Mere Wildfowl & Wetlands Trust will inevitably 'run out of trees' when they are restricted to a small area. Animal behaviour displayed within a pen cannot be deemed representative of that species' behaviour in the wild, where it is part of a far more complex, regenerating ecosystem.

It should be noted that the proposed reintroduction of the European beaver to Scotland will first take place at a controlled and vigorously monitored trial site. If this proves unsuccessful, for example if the beaver population has an adverse impact on local habitats, then I suspect the European beaver will not be reintroduced to Scotland.

Also, #36, re. your second comment concerning environmental non-governmental organisations. The clue's in the name: NGOs attempt to fill the ever-widening gaps left in government policy-making. They fulfil a vital role in British land management, not least by speaking for those which cannot speak for themselves. Their combined strength lies in their diversity and number. Live and let live, man.
40

Stewart_in_Oz,

Alexandra Hills 18/09/2008 13:36:38
From previous reading and observation of 'Greenies', 'Tree-Huggers' and 'Wild Life Experts' I note their apparent ability to focus on their own field to the exclusion of all else. Similar to what is observed with sufferers of Aspergers Autism. While this may produce excellent results in a narrowly defined field of interest, the overall result may not necessarily be beneficial.
It sometimes seems that if humans (apart from them) were to suddenly disappear and leave the place deserted then it would return to pristine wilderness and the balance and harmony of nature would return and all paradise be restored.
There is a saying "Wake up and smell the roses". Wolves, Lynxes and bears became extinct in Scotland for a good reason. Man and larger carnivores do not co-habit in small countries like Scotland.
We have similar problems in Fraser Island off the coast of Queensland where Dingos (protected 'native' wild dog) occasionally attack and sometimes kill children of visitors to the place. However they are only defending their territory or some such tripe postulated by the 'Wild Life Experts'. As for Crocodiles! Well they were here first weren't they? Thus they are protected and it is more important that we learn to live with the danger.
Is this the 21st Century, or have I missed my landing spot?

 

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