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Published Date: 16 February 2009
IT MAY be a tradition, but Scottish men's habit of "going commando" in a kilt is increasingly disgusting firms hiring Highland dress.
Several companies are now requesting that customers keep their pants on when they hire a kilt to protect staff and future customers from unhygienic tartan.

Leading Scottish kilt-making firm Slanj has written a clause into its hire terms requesting that underwear is worn at all times. Other firms, such as the prestigious Geoffrey (Tailor) Kiltmakers and Marchbrae Clothing, both on Edinburgh's Royal Mile, have said they also back this policy.

The companies have introduced the clause because of the habit of some men to return extremely soiled garments.

While the firms dry clean the garments before they are hired out again, some kilts are so dirty they are unhygienic for staff to handle.

Slanj, which has made kilts for Sir Sean Connery, Ewan McGregor and Billy Connolly, has just launched its hire service but introduced the clause because of previous experience. The company has come up with a rhyme that is displayed on posters around its stores in Edinburgh, Glasgow and Aberdeen, in a bid to encourage its customers to consider wearing underwear.

It reads: "Though Scots like to prance/About in their kilts wearing nae pants/Fir the next punter make it fair/Dinnae firgit to wear a pair."

Craig Halley, Slanj's co-owner, said: "A lot of our staff worked in the hire sector previously and found the biggest problem was cleaning the kilts. People were hiring them to wear at weddings, parties and football and rugby matches.

"It doesn't require a huge leap of imagination to picture what kind of states they would come back in. Because of this and the potential hygiene problems, we are politely asking people to wear underwear."

Other hire companies with a similar policy have said say the move is for their customers' own good. Gary Wilson, manager of Marchbrae Clothing, said: "From a personal point of view, I certainly would wear underwear with a hire kilt for my own hygiene reasons and most hire companies do encourage it. You don't know where it has been beforehand."

However, other companies believe that forcing people to wear pants is going too far and are backing a man's right to free choice on the matter.

Marty Stevens, manager of Davison Menswear and Kilt Hire, said: "I wouldn't wear underwear with a kilt because that's not the way it is supposed to be done. Wearing a kilt is quite warm even on a cold day and it is more comfortable.

"We've had customers who have absolutely no shame whatsoever, with soils front and back. But 98 per cent will be all right, with just the usual beer spills, and if they are gross then we'll charge the customer even more for cleaning it."

The wearing of kilts in Scotland can be traced back to the 16th century, but became popular across the whole of the country in the 19th century.

Not wearing underwear under a kilt is a Scottish military tradition. During the First World War, some Sergeant Majors reportedly used mirrors tied to the end of golf clubs to look up and under the kilt during inspections.


Commando or undercover agent? Bare truth revealed

Howie Nicholsby, designer kiltmaker
Wears pants


"AFTER nine years of wearing a kilt every day, 90 per cent of the time I'm wearing underwear. It's only when I'm at a wedding or a special occasion that I might not, because it's more comfortable and for health reasons.

"Generally, wearing a kilt is better for your health because you're not constricting that area and the air is able to flow around.

"I think true Scots who like to wear kilts a lot will wear underwear, it's just more hygienic. Generally, people who make a big thing about not wearing underwear are doing it for the show-off factor. It's a mindset and stereotype that we could do with getting out of."

Gavin Hastings, former Rugby Union player
No pants


"I don't hire my kilts, I've got my own. But they've always said that when you hire a kilt you pay for the dry cleaning anyway, so what's the problem? People have the choice; they can buy their kilt, and those who wear them a lot will do that – for the rest, they can just get them dry cleaned."

John Smeaton, Glasgow terror attack hero
No pants


"IF YOU want to be a true Scotsman, you don't wear underwear. It is tradition and you should stick to it.

"I can understand if they're hiring them out that they feel that way, but they should expect that true Scotsmen won't wear underwear. Maybe they should just add a little bit more to the bill for dry cleaning."

Mark Cousins, film critic
No pants


"WHY would I wear underwear? The whole point is for extra comfort. I'm in Calcutta at the moment and I get asked that question ten times a day.

"It's stupid. This company is trying to be cool and unbossy, but if they don't like the business, get out of it. It undoes the whole reason for wearing a kilt."

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  • Last Updated: 16 February 2009 2:02 AM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
 
1

AD in sunny Livingston,

16/02/2009 01:00:52
How mingin! Do some guys just have no pride at all?

Perhaps the kilt hire people need to be taking a bigger deposit and telling customers that they'll get some of it back if the garment's brought back in good condition?

Might be enough for some tightfisted Scots!
2

Deek,

16/02/2009 01:31:36
Why don't the hire companies put a disposable liner in every time. Add the cost of that to the hire. It's not rocket science to work that out!!!
3

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 16/02/2009 02:17:57


Absolutely!!, Totally Laughable!, and how is one going to test, if a "Kilt" was worn by the bearer that has no underwear on?
I can just see the, "Kilt Hire Companies", getting all their staff, to do 'Sniff Testing' :))

I will be OK though!, I will wear my 'Tartan Thong' under my Kilt!

The 'Babes' Love it!, and I might get a 'Pull'!, :DD

4

Eoin Stewart,

16/02/2009 04:52:59
I have to say that when wearing my kilt the Mrs. has pointed out more than once that my tackle has had it's fair share of public exposure ;). I would agree that the subject is laughable. Must have been a slow news day!
5

Phillip,

16/02/2009 05:30:50
I wear kilts every day. I'm the proud owner of 17 bespoke kilts in a variety of tartans including those associated with my family by merchants beginning in the 19th century. I have to admit that I do wear underwear under my kilts at all times. It does help keep the drycleaning bills down. However, I wear underwear for a far more important reason. I'm in a wheelchair! If a good stiff breeze hits me head-on, I can easily scare children and impress the ladies due to aerodynamic kilt-lifting!
6

Dave James,

las vegas, nevada, USA 16/02/2009 06:25:04
This is not a problem only with Kilts. There are some individuals, we all know, who's habits are not of the most refined. A few to many at the local watering hole leads to some unfortunate incidents. The wearing of a kilt isn't common in the US but there are some of us. In the Convention, Tradeshow industry there are more than a few... Sitting on seats of equipment left out in the sun in Las Vegas at 120F will elicted a more that lovely remark if you don't wear tighty whitelys. Though most of us don't, we like the ventilation.
7

The Glasgow Ranger,

Edinburgh. 16/02/2009 07:52:21
Interesting to note the publicity-shy Smeaton has been asked to comment.
8

Sarcasm,

16/02/2009 07:59:49
#1
Part of the problem is that said customers are quite willing to return the garments with a large deposit.
9

Calgacas,

Moray 16/02/2009 08:14:58
Just as well Gordon Brown does not wear the kilt.
10

Ninian Reid,

Edinburgh 16/02/2009 08:20:04
Keep 'em happy, buy a nappy
11

Ninian Reid,

Edinburgh 16/02/2009 08:33:18
It would seem to me, the non-wearing of underpants by these kilted, weekend savages proves - beyond doubt - they're "sticking" to tradition.Quite literally, it would appear.
12

Brodric,

16/02/2009 09:08:04
Oh, don't take away one of the few free enjoyments we have.

Kilts are very sexy. The way the move when the wearer is walking along is pure poetry - and on a windy day in Edinburgh, a little cheek exposure is worth waiting for.

Get them off boys!
13

Steve Foley,

England 16/02/2009 09:22:47
Any time I have worn a kilt I have always worn a pair of dark coloured cotton briefs, usually navy blue or black underneath, for comfort, hygiene and decency.
14

Calgacas,

Moray 16/02/2009 09:44:43
Just as well Gordon Brown does not weare the kilt !
15

Clive Hamblin,

South Coast 16/02/2009 09:59:19
When I bought my first kilt, I'd no idea which side to take inthe 'great divide.' Evntually, I sought advice and was told, 'Some do' some don't.' If you choose to use ordinary jockey pants, wear them inside out - it prevents fall out!'
16

Maname'sbintaken,

16/02/2009 10:04:56
I leave skirt-wearing to the ladies, so no problem for me. "Dress like a tin of shortbread/cross-dressing hybrid -- its TRADITION!"
17

AJ Fife,

16/02/2009 10:58:21
By not wearing pants, the kilt wearing Scot helps protect the enviroment. The saving on toilet roll should not be underestimated!
18

Farmernot,

16/02/2009 11:30:13
Commando........end of story.

The news desk must have been struggling yesterday !!!
19

Horrible Cankers @Cyber Shebeen,

16/02/2009 12:02:37
17...Awrite banjo boay??...aye but you must wear wan o' they "Highlander kilts"...ye know..the long tartan doon tae the ankles and a bit left ower tae chuck aroon the shooders?...ye bin practicin yer 'can can?'
20

Dorian,

Edinburgh 16/02/2009 12:10:44
Until there is a King on the throne the kegs stay off.

Don't these hire companies wash the kilts before rehiring them.
21

Way Out West,

16/02/2009 12:14:06
No sh*t, Sherlock!
22

Brideun,

Culloden 16/02/2009 12:23:49
In kilt parade order on a cold frosty morning it could be very uncomfortable particularly standing at ease. It was common practise to pin together the tails of the long army shirt to keep out drafts. Going commando is a relict of the past to try to deter lice and crabs, nearly as backward as kilt wearing.
23

AJ Fife,

16/02/2009 12:24:45
Canky,

A quick dicht wi' a dock leaf, is aw that's required!
24

Dr Blockbuster aka Vince,

Edinburgh 16/02/2009 12:32:26
"Scottish men's habit of "going commando" in a kilt"? ... well, I'm schorry but Dr Blockbuster says "That's SHOW business!" :wink:

...AND, as to there being any division of wearers ... well, that's just a phallacy! :roflmAo:

25

Yok Finney,

Ross-shire 16/02/2009 12:43:51
To egress without a kilt in this bitten doon weather is the mark of insanity! Cotton flimsies also called "jeans" are the total death trap. OK the tackle needs storing below body heat, but not at brass monkey temperature.
26

weewumman,

Glaswegian in Bristol 16/02/2009 13:10:06
I'm all for "commando" for OWNERS of kilts, but I can accept that the hygiene aspect for hired garments must be considered.

At a family wedding many of the men who own their own kilts and usually go commando hired kilts because they were asked to wear the tartan of the bride. They did wear pants for their own protection.
27

Jay Kay,

16/02/2009 13:14:56
Ill tell ye this, (as said in my best heiland accent)the only thing to ever be worn under the kilt is 8" of nice, bright red silk ribbon, tied to the tackle in a big bow, now if the lassies want a look, and be honest guys on a nicht oot at the dancin how many wimin have had a go at liftin yer kilt eh! well then, when they have a go give them more than they barganed for! and its a kilt man, ye can wash it ye kna.

Has nae wan any sense of humour anymare.

As Milligan once said when asked if there was ever anything ever worn under the kilt, his reply "no nothing it's all in perfect workin order".
28

US Graham,

16/02/2009 13:28:52
Well I suppose this brings an end to the tradition of me being naked 'neath me clothes.
29

A.A.,

16/02/2009 13:45:53
21 Dorian,Edinburgh
Until there is a King on the throne the kegs stay off.
Don't these hire companies wash the kilts before rehiring them"?

Good point Dorian, but they're probably too mean to have them cleaned before re-hiring them.
30

TAF,

16/02/2009 14:27:42
I gather that in general, kilt wearers are not allergic to wool?

Contact dermatitus on ones, ah, tackle, would be rather unpleasant.


31

Lochiel,

west o'Glasgow 16/02/2009 14:29:41
There once was a lad from fair Dumfries
‘neath his kilt was exposed to the cold breeze
By the time he reached Wick,
Ice had formed on his tackle
And he longed for a pair of BVD’s
32

Hardrations,

Canada 16/02/2009 15:35:55
All though I haven't worn a kilt since 1974 (Cdn. Forces Pipe Band Germany) I have to admit I wore it both ways with and with out. And have some stories of people being curious just what was worn under it, which I'm sure many kilt wearers have experienced. I have to agree that in a rented kilt I would prefer to wear it with, knowing that some one had worn it before me. Incidentally my uncle a Vet. of WW 1 in the Canadian Black Watch, had told me that it was a military order to go with out. He said as a young (under age) soldier he at first went with, but in the first real heat of the summer he developed a heat rash and was almost charged with a S.I.W., but apparently the Company Sgt. Mjr felt it was sufficient punishment and a learning lesson to have the rash. I know from experience in the heat of a hot day wearing a good quality kilt that one does get very uncomfortable if with.
33

Joe Macdelta.,

16/02/2009 15:36:45
If its your own kilt, by all means be true scots, if its hired be prepared to pay for cleaning, its fair enough.
34

The ex Pat,

16/02/2009 16:08:15
Nothing should be worn under the kilt as your tackle should always be in working order
35

Charlotte Geier,

El Paso, TX, USA 16/02/2009 17:13:41
Pardon the ignorance of a U.S. citizen of Scots descent, but my understanding is that a kilt was done for identification purposes, and not for "naked comfort". It was more or less equivalent to "wearing your colors" and the naked bottoms was a military stunt to "frighten" their enemies. I very probably would be frightened to see all those hairy hind ends!
36

Friar Tuck,

16/02/2009 17:44:28
Maybe we should all wear slips (underskirts) to protect the fine wool fabric from contamination! Just imagine the feel of a silky smooth fabric on your tackle! If you feel embarrased buying one, borrow one of your wife's or shop on line (Victoria's Secrets?)
37

Truely English,

16/02/2009 19:27:44
What a great joy it was to wear the Kilt at New Year as it made one feel very British knowing just how important such symbols are in uniting us as a special nation.
38

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16/02/2009 19:50:15
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39

Ham Mei Si,

Hong Kong 16/02/2009 20:17:11
I wore the kilt till I was 15, mainly because it was a family tradition and I wasn't sure whether I was a boy or a girl. But when I finally realized that I was a laddie and nae a lassie, I took it aff and have never worn it again since. That was 60 years ago, and I am surprised that a lot of Scotsmen still haven't figured that out yet!
40

krusty the klown,

16/02/2009 21:10:11
Why would blokes want to wear a skirt anyway?
41

Tartan Viking,

16/02/2009 21:22:43
#41. The same reason Krusty the Klown wears a red nose, squirty flower and huge big shoes. Tradition mate, tradition.
42

Tartan Viking,

16/02/2009 21:26:44
#40 Ham Mei Si. Most Scotsmen figure out they are a laddie well before they are 15. By that time most of them have sown a few oats and know what implement is underneath the kilt to help them sow the oats.
43

lulach mac gille coemgain,

16/02/2009 23:03:02
Hey! TRUE SCOTSMEN OWN their KILTS ! The fakers hire them!
44

Billy Boy,

Sherman Oaks Californiacation 17/02/2009 00:31:42
Ah at last a sensible topic! True Scots! What a load of B-----cks. I joined the Black Watch in 1959 and there was no such custom. It became a thing amongst us boys who had yet to mature, particularly if we were having a night on the town. (Today it would be classed as voyuerism). There were drill sergeants who used mirrors but it was for the opposite reason, if one were caught "free" it would often lead to a public display in front of all the boys! By the way No 28 has uncovered -no pun intended-one of the more painful tortures used by the good old CIA, I wonder how big his eyes are?
45

livilion,

livingston 17/02/2009 01:04:31
And what is the word from Moss Bros on the similar state of DJs and clawhammer suits coming back from hire?

If these cloths are in such a state I can't see how a having on a pair of skiddies is going to make much odds.

Face it, the babe magnetism is a fight that the hire firms are never going to win, unless its an ALDI special you turn up in.

Once again our southern patrons at Scotsman HQ seem to be working to an anti-Scottish agenda, what a novel business plan, I wonder what the dragons would make of it in their dens?
46

livilion,

livingston 17/02/2009 01:30:22
#40 Ham Mei Si + #41 krusty the klown

Puir sowls, you never enjoyed the attention even a wee fat middle-aged bloke can expect wearing his 'highland regalia'.

I and my Scottish colleagues turned up at our works annual 'black tie' do at the Celtic Manor and was greated by your sort of reaction from our English MALE associates.

I am proud and particularly delighted to report that the atmosphere was 180 the opposite at the end of the evening as we monopolised 'the totty'.

In particular: the sensation of the Pam Anderson lookielikee's silk gloved hand running up my thigh on the dancefloor will stay with me for sometime, as will my memory of the expression on her face when she got to what she'd been looking for. I slept-in for my porridge next morning.

Now apart from doing Shawn Connery impreshions I don't expect to get that kind of unbidden action when I'm wearing a dinner suit.

Dei dhie si.
47

Too young to want to know about it!,

miserable grey rainy cold Scotland 17/02/2009 15:30:20
Well I never. Only in Scotland would the majority of middle aged fat men be getting excited about exposing themselves. Anywhere else in the world it would be considered indecent. If you expose your jolly's then it is likely women and children do not wish to see it!

48

Churchill W.,

18/02/2009 08:32:58
Calgacas #s 9, 14

Just as well Alec Salmond doesn't wear a kilt, doesn't bear thinking about when you remember all those curries!
49

livilion,

livingston 18/02/2009 11:11:15
#48 Too young to want to know about it!

No sonny you don't gettit, its not about fat middle aged men flashing, it's the women demanding to get an eyeful or even the handfull that keeps this 'tradition' going.

Supply and demand if you will, as a young fit bloke, wear a kilt to the next wedding you are invited to and you will be 'beating the girls off with sticks'.
50

Steve Foley,

18/02/2009 15:13:35
I used to go out with a girl who worked for a clothing hire company. They did not often supply kilts, there wasn't a lot of call for them in the English Home Counties, but did hire out DJs and Tails outfits for Weddings, Royal Ascot etc. She told me that that some of these came back in such a dirty state-especially the trousers-that would shock most people and that some were so badly soiled as to go straight in the bin.

However it makes matters worse if someone is not wearing underwear. Frankly I do not see the point of going pantless under a kilt unless one does get some sexual thrill from doing this, an earlier ex-Army poster has put the lie to the myth that in the armed forces it was an offence to wear anything under the kilt. Comfort and hygiene would suggest that as with trousers it would make sense to wear underpants of some type and in the case of the kilt modesty would also suggest this. Let's face it there aren't many women who wear a skirt with no knickers.
51

Proper Job,

18/02/2009 18:08:30
A series of comments worthy of an academic study of the usual bunch of self-promoting morons who inhabit the Scotsman forum.

The fact that so many of them are in abject denial of the truth that is the kilt as we know it now was invented by an English industrialist (Thomas Rawlinson), embraced and made popular among the landed classes by Victoria and Albert (hardly an ounce of British blood between them, let alone Scottish blood), and promoted endlessly by English textile makers who invented most of the eedjit paraphernalia that proud Scots now wear in a misguided statement as to their 'scottishness'.

Today, the English invention is most commonly worn with a football jersey, big daft socks, Timberland boots -- and enough aggression to make any Scot ashamed.
52

Oh Dear!!!,

distancing myself from here!! 21/02/2009 02:13:15
Mr Livilion !! Have you read your own words? You expose yourself to young girls because you truly believe they want to see your fallus? Are you insane?? What if you want intercourse with a girl and she says no, are you saying you really think she means yes? I am afraid I agree with the consensus in this country which is now that men like you should be either locked up or on the sx register. Indecent exposure is always indecent exposure, young girls will play up to you because they do not realise they are entitled to be outraged. tut tut.
53

StarThrower,

A Southern (U.S.) Planet 05/03/2009 15:06:33
I'd think the rental companies would fare better if they simply demanded that wearers remain SOBER. The problems with grossly unhygenic returns would be greatly reduced if not eliminated (pun gleefully intended!)
54

hotstud,

london 19/03/2009 08:41:25
It just goes to show you can't be too careful!

 

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