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Published Date: 12 February 2008
A FATHER was jailed for three years and eight months yesterday after he "lost it" and drove a van at a knife-wielding thug.
A court heard 47-year-old Stephen Armstrong's life had been made a misery by vandals, and he was terrified when the drunk confronted him with a knife and a baton. He believed it was connected with the painting of gang slogans on a fence near his home
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He drove on to a pavement and hit the 22-year-old, who was seriously injured and spent six weeks in hospital.

A judge was urged to show mercy to Armstrong, a father of eight who had stopped working to care for his ill wife, and Lady Smith said she accepted there had been "serious provocation". But she went on: "However angry you were and however justified your anger, what you did was certainly not justified at all.

"You quite deliberately used your van as a weapon…and drove at bushes where he was seeking to take cover. He tried to jump out of your way, but you hit him at speed."

Armstrong's wife, Dorothy, 39, last night told how the family had been "shell-shocked" by the prison sentence.

She said: "It's ridiculous – he's treated like a criminal when he was just standing up for his family and his property.

"The kids are just devastated. We never thought he would be put in prison."

Armstrong admitted assaulting the man to the danger of his life on 12 April last year at Waulkglen Road, close to his home in Darnley, Glasgow. The victim is facing charges and cannot be identified.

Maurice Smyth, defending, told the High Court in Edinburgh that Armstrong, lived in a respectable residential area where people took a real interest in their families and property.

Unfortunately, steps at the bottom of the cul-de-sac had become a meeting point for "all sorts of ne'er-do-wells, hooligans, drug-takers and drunkards" from other areas. Mr Smyth said these people, mainly boys, had made life a misery for the residents, and there had been dozens of reports to the police about antisocial behaviour.

On 11 April, Armstrong learned that 6ft-high slogans, including "Welcome to Hell", had been painted on a fence, and he caught two boys, one of whom he knew. He went to that boy's father, and the father immediately ordered the boys to paint over the graffiti.

"We have an individual trying to deal with the vandalism and he does so in a perfectly sensible and civil manner. There's no bullying, ranting or raving. On the contrary, he seeks the assistance of the father of one of the boys," Mr Smyth said.

"It is quite clear that anyone in that situation is facing a risk…of violence, repercussions, retaliation and so forth."

The following evening, Armstrong was about to go shopping in his van when he saw the second boy with the 22-year-old man in his street. He heard a bang on his van. He got out to remonstrate, and the man took out a knife and an extendable baton from the back of his trousers and swung them at Armstrong.

Mr Smyth said it had been a reasonable inference that the pair, one of the vandals from the day before and somebody armed with lethal weapons, were there to cause trouble.

He said: "He was shocked and terrified. (The man] smashed a window of the van and moved off. The accused was shaking with nerves. He got into the van. He indicates he lost it for that moment…fear, rage, shock, all produced this momentary act of recklessness. This is a very human reaction to an event about which he had not the slightest warning. He was going about his lawful business. He did not seek trouble."

Lady Smith said the victim had suffered a broken leg and collar bone and a punctured lung, and had been permanently disfigured.

She told Armstrong: "In the cold light of day, you realise the appalling nature of what you did and you have shown genuine remorse. I take account of the extent of the provocation…there seems no doubt he presented weapons at you and he deliberately broke the window in your van. You were entitled to be angry and affronted, but not entitled to respond by wielding your van as a weapon at him. You were not entitled to subject him to this terrible assault."

Mrs Armstrong last night questioned how the family would cope with her husband behind bars.

She said: "I have really bad arthritis and so Stephen takes care of everything – all the bills, the kids, taking them to and from school and to their football.

"He gave up his job – he had been an electrician and a publican – when my arthritis got really bad. He's just a great guy, and it's just not fair."





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  • Last Updated: 11 February 2008 10:33 PM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
 
1

EPS,

Edinburgh 12/02/2008 00:17:41
This is one of those cases where one's head and one's heart run in opposite directions. Assault to the danger of someone's life is a very serious offence, and I suppose a prison sentence was unavoidable. But my sympathy is 100% with the father and not at all with the 22-year-old.
2

Silence of the Yams,

12/02/2008 00:32:56
The older guy is the victim twice over. The thug had it coming.
3

Roberta Burns,

12/02/2008 01:16:26
Sounds like self defence to me.
4

Isonomia,

Lenzie 12/02/2008 01:46:25
If this thug "presented weapons", then it was clearly self defence or at the very least provocation.
5

Gina Gibson,

Wales 12/02/2008 04:00:14
He should have run over the two of them.....no witnesses!
6

Kingston,

Singapore 12/02/2008 05:43:35
I presume the courts will award damages to the thug that was run down!
7

George F,

Michigan 12/02/2008 06:00:13
Well folks US law is far from perfect but I'll tell you one thing, the guy with the knife would be the one headed to the slammer and not Mr Armstrong.
8

Alan Reid,

NZ 12/02/2008 06:27:14
Take back the death penalty. This sort of thing will go on and on and on. Why is it that Singapore is safe and clean? Could it be they don't stand for any cr@p from drunken violent scumbags!

http://www.theherald.co.uk/national_news/index.var.183538.0.newlove_widow_in_death_penalty_call.php?
9

sig226,

Scotland 12/02/2008 07:11:43
Another case where an innocent member of the public, acting in self defense, is taken to court instead of being supported by the system.

I take bets that no Scottish Politician makes any comment about this case.

Has the thug been prosecuted?
10

eric,

Lothian 12/02/2008 08:05:17
Are you watching thugs? ,Nows theres how to Earn RESPECT.I see it was a woman judge,
11

Alberto.,

12/02/2008 08:10:34
The stupidity of the current 'operators' of the seemingly farcical justice system, give another great display of sticking their heads up to prove once again that we are not only fighting crime but what appears to be a non-existent and non-realistic ' Justice system!'

It would seem obvious that in a situation as this seems to have been, one or the other was going to be seriously injured - possibly end up dead, and yet the brilliance of the person 'allegedly' handing out Justice can only comment about what the intended victim ‘shouldn't have done.’

The answer to this problem, for the authorities, in order to keep their books tidy, seems to be that when threatened by someone just stand and take it (for goodness don’t upset the offender or injure them!!) Then at least, it's a 'cut and dried' case without any complications and a suitable penalty (if they still know one!) can be handed down ‘

That is, of course, if they manage to apprehend the culprit so he / she can get their wrists slapped or something just as daunting to deter them from future criminal activity - as we see!

Cannot help thinking, in such matters as this, where someone is threatening with a weapon, obviously intending doing harm to another person, then the situation of the person intending to cause damage, injury and possibly death to another person, should, if the intending offender comes off worst, as it seems, then their situation, and any injuries should be viewed by the Courts as - 'Tough mate' - this one you lost

Do the Justice people realise that the idea is to ‘stop’ criminal activity by these mindless individuals and lock them up when caught - not to champion their cause by arresting a law abiding citizen, for naturally retaliating and ‘win’ in the confrontation, possibly saving their own life - as one would expect, while the ‘system’ seems to make more of a case in assuring those with serious criminal intent, that they will not be harmed - sometimes not even penalized, if ever c
12

Nell,

The Preservation Hall 12/02/2008 08:11:54
"Lady Smith said the victim had suffered a broken leg and collar bone and a punctured lung, and had been permanently disfigured."
Anybody care to comment?
13

care4,

Here 12/02/2008 08:23:28
No's 3,4,9,11 It would appear have failed to properly understand the above article.

Mr Armstrong was clearly not acting in Self Defence. He was not defending himself nor was he in danger at the time of his retaliation. Clearly, if the report is true, he was acting in a manner reminicent of the perpetrator.

"(The man] smashed a window of the van and moved off".

"He (Armstrong) drove on to a pavement and hit the 22-year-old, who was seriously injured and spent six weeks in hospital".

"You quite deliberately used your van as a weapon…and drove at bushes where he was seeking to take cover. He tried to jump out of your way, but you hit him at speed".

Any further comments?
14

paulr,

edinburgh 12/02/2008 08:27:56
The so called "victim" got less than he deserved...
15

Kenny A,

12/02/2008 08:35:22
I take it the joker who was run over carrying knife and baton obviously had no intent of causing any harm. No just practicing his cheerleader moves when he accidentaly smashed the van.

This sentence is perverse and gives the impression that it is thugs who have all the rights to do what they want and the suffering public no right to defend themselves.

Yes he used his van as a weapon in self defense, nothing wrong with that. Even if he was not I do not blame him in the least because if he had not done something they would have come after him again without any doubt. The tragic case of Mr Gary Newlove clearly demonstrates these thugs will kill if the can.

I suppose the thug will get a light sentense and then sue. Lady Smith is probably not overly comfortible at imposing this sentence if she is a fair minded person but it is the law.

Why had the police not sorted out the ongoing situation previously or were they wading through the moras of red tape they seem to be permanently stuck in barring minor offenses.

Thime to take a long look at both the situation regarding thugs and also the law when it comes both to self defense and in my view justified retailation. If the public could retailate to a limited extent without fear of jail it may cool down and hopefully scare some of the trouble makers away.

I must confess I do not know how to implement this apart from a policy of common sense. Seems to be very lacking in court at present.

I feel very sorry for Mr Armstrong and his family.
16

John H,

edinburgh 12/02/2008 08:35:49
13
Didn't hit him hard enough or often enough.
Scum the lot of them.
17

Dismayed Old Soldier,

celle 12/02/2008 08:40:40
The man in the van was technically assaulted and no doubt in fear of his life. If he had got out of his car he could have been killed. The guys who broke his van,s window and wielded offensive weapons put the van driver into a state of shock and deserved to take the consequences of what they brought about. The Van driver should be released from prison. The injured thug brought his injuries upon himself. The van driver did not leave his house with the intention to harm the thug. This happened as a direct result of unlawful acts by the injured thug. release the van driver.This is an injustice no matter what sentencing the thug MAY get.
18

Mikey,

12/02/2008 09:05:47
What's the betting that if this guy hadn't gone to jail, all the anti social behaviour around his house would have stopped?
19

2Right,

On Location 12/02/2008 09:06:32
Got less than he deserved yes, he should have got a medal.
Thugs carrying knifes should be locked up at least 5 years at a time just for carrying it, if they use it at least 15 years, this will stop them
20

Rob7,

England 12/02/2008 09:27:55
Good for him - he did what many in this country wish they had the guts to do. Typically the victim becomes the criminal - I totally hold this evil government responsable
21

The Diplomat,

EDINBURGH 12/02/2008 09:40:02
Nell at #12 says "Lady Smith said the victim had suffered a broken leg and collar bone and a punctured lung, and had been permanently disfigured."
Anybody care to comment?

He got off lightly - shame the van wasn't moving faster! many of us would like to be behind that wheel!
22

MWM,

Argyll 12/02/2008 09:42:35
If the NED who ended up in hospital claims compensation, I hope the van driver counter sues for post traumatic stress disorder caused by being confronted with a knife.

23

Paddi,

12/02/2008 09:50:22
Give this hero a medal, he should be feted and not behind bars. The scumbag he ran down got what was coming to him and deserves to be behind bars, not this brave man.
24

Gusto,

12/02/2008 09:55:02
Similar incident in Holland where a thief opened her passenger door, stole her handbag and tried to make off with his mate on a scooter. She reversed the car at speed and squashed the thief against a tree - he died. Fist off she was fined, which the Queen's husband offered to pay. Now that he is dead, she still has to face a court for murder, having been ex-directory for years for fear of reprisal from the Moroccan community.
25

james 1st,

hamilton nz 12/02/2008 10:28:54
knife weilding thug, pity he didnt kill him
hopefully the person with the knifem got seven years jail
26

JayJay,

Right here 12/02/2008 10:30:07
We recently heard from a senior police officer who told the public that they should not be afraid to stand up to thugs, bullies and social misfits. Well, without in any way condoning the actions of the van driver, I'd love to hear the thoughts of the police on this case.
You do wonder if judges and politicians have any real appreciation of what it is like to live in a community where there are sustained psychological attacks on decent folk....from late night shouting, swearing, drinking, petty vandalism through to intimidation and threats. All topped off by a non existant police presence and a lack of action when such criminality is reported.
People feel powerless. We repeatedly see evidence of a judicial system that can apply the concept of human rights with gay abandon to individuals who care only about themselves. We see vile thugs let off with light sentences and serving less than half of that sentence. We read a litany of woe from social work professionals about boredom and deprivation and absolutely nothing about respect for your self and for others.
My fear is of apathy. People have grown accustomed to a justice system loaded in favour of the criminal, to ineffective laws, and hamstrung coppers. And so they accept the behaviour of little a-holes who will doubtless grow up into bigger a-holes doing ever more serious crimes.
And, to top it all, we have a Home Secretary who would not walk the streets of her own town. We really should run up the white shellsuit and give our cities over to the neds....they have won already.
27

Jason,

Vietnam 12/02/2008 10:36:06
Surely this reminds you of the Tony Martin case. I emigrated in disgust over that. Where's your line in the sand, because Britain has gone clinically insane?
28

Alternative (High Octane) Fuel Head,

Edinburgh 12/02/2008 11:27:51
He should have been congratulated.

His actions very nearly resulted in one less moron on the streets.
29

John H,

edinburgh 12/02/2008 11:51:10
Yet again another example of the failure of the appointed legal dimwits to apply common sense in sentencing. The guilty party is appeased and the sinned against is convicted.
When will these overpaid numpties who are supposed to represent the public interest by applying the law, not twisting it untill it becomes a travesty of what it is supposed to deliver ever learn?
Until the wigs are accountable to public opinion and are forced to have there their verdicts scrutinised by independent fair thinking people who would have the power to remove them from the comfort zone they live and profess to work in, this farcial verdict and the type sadly all to common nowadays will continue to blight our society.
Wake up to reality Lady.
30

Southsider71,

East Ren, Glasgow 12/02/2008 11:57:50
#29 Agree entirely, Mr Armstrong should have got a medal.
31

Scotland to prosper...,

12/02/2008 12:20:11
There’s a massive oversight here in that if Mr Armstrong had not acted in the way he did, the thug would have continued to wander about drunk and in possession of a knife and baton endangering the entire community.
In my opinion, Mr Armstrong acted in the most responsible and logical way, he neutralised the threat, it says the thugs permanently disfigured, I think its the Armstrongs families lives that have been permanently altered.
32

Smurf,

Perth 12/02/2008 12:20:28
Some of our Judges want to live in the real world I would suggest that lady Smith might want to endure the grief that this poor man has had to suffer and see how she feels at the end of it.Yet again the victim is the one to suffer because of our political Namby-pampyness!!! Release this man Now !!!!
33

waywoodwind 1,

sheffield 12/02/2008 12:33:55
Stephen Armstrong for parliament then prime minister

and he will certainly get my vote

a man of the people
34

sam the god,

12/02/2008 13:23:24
he should get a knighthood instead of a prison sentence (the lunatics have taken over the asylum)
35

Invitrospud,

12/02/2008 13:36:24
In America if you instigate the attack then you get all you deserve. I think I would probably have done the same thing in his place. No way should he have got such a harsh sentence, I hope he appeals.
36

Fife boy in Leeds,

Leeds 12/02/2008 13:38:13
#35 It's a sad state of affairs when the lunatics take over the asylum but I'm afraid that they have. It's the same all over the UK. Neds can do anything they like but try to stop them they either murder the person as in the garry Newlove case or they sue them for infringing their Human Rights if you raise a finger.

37

sam the god,

12/02/2008 13:58:05
#37
where is the justice minister now is he on the sponge?
38

popeye,

Daventry 12/02/2008 15:20:13
He rightfully and lawfully,defended himself.We must hope this conviction and sentence is appealed.No doubt this judge knows more about the law,than me but she has no concept of justice and righteousness.With the papers help this injustice,could be overturned.
39

louise69,

aberdeen 12/02/2008 15:20:49
Our society is breaking down and its all to do with the way we are failing to address the real issues. We need to get a criminal justice system that actually works- how many more innocent victims of anti social behaviour have to end up in jail or be punished before the government wake up and realise that the general law abiding public need to be protected not punished by the law for trying to protect themselves and their property.I have lost count how many people have died or ended up injured when confronted by vandals, gangs and neds. This is just the tip of the iceberg of what is to come-Even today the 'mosquito' device is under threat as it goes against teenagers human rights!what about the rights of everyone else who is trying to live in peace and within the law? we will end up in a state of anarchy when people will have enough and take the law into their own hands and who can blame them? Its about time that the government took action and listened to the public who want to live in a safe society.
40

orangefalcon40,

Edinburgh 12/02/2008 15:37:14
We can't lock all of these people up in prison, it costs too much.

I suggest we bring back the good old fashioned stocks and the birch for petty criminals. More serious offenders can work in chain gangs repairing all our roads and pavements since the councils can't afford to do it.

That poor old bloke should be released with a pardon. Its time to crack down on the scum that are ruining our lives. I passed by Sighthill in my car the other day, my wife was driving. Three youths ran in front of the car, we nearly hit them. When they got to the other side of the road, they started throwing stones at houses.
41

popeye,

Daventry 12/02/2008 15:48:14
I feel I must add further comment to this terrible injustice.To lock this man in a cage,away from his family,is pure evil.The question,must be asked where did this "woman" in a wig learn her trade.
42

Allan(handofgod137),

12/02/2008 15:49:22
Once again an innocent person is punished for the failings of the criminal justice system. Mind you, you've got to wonder how they actually got a jury to bring in a guilty verdict.
43

popeye,

Daventry 12/02/2008 17:06:57
Oh boy! did No.13 get it wrong.He must be a shyster.
44

Wayne,

North Carolina 12/02/2008 17:35:33
This is a prime example of what will doom this world someday!Police officers in the usa complain all the time about having to arrest the same person over and over again.# 13, have you or someone you love ever been victomized?There was a man in Virginia about 8 years ago that kidnapped,raped and strangled his 11 year old neice.He then severed the tendons behind her knees so that he could fold her up and place her in a box to bury her.The judge would not approve the death sentence because he did not think the crime was heinous enough.People like you are why this world is going to hell in a hand basket.
45

stew1919,

ecosse 12/02/2008 23:46:00
The sooner more of the good citizens follow this example the better. It's plainly obvious that the authorities have no desire to protect the general public from loutish and violent behaviour.Make your area safer - down a thug today.

In incapacitating this thug our hero perhaps saved another innocent victim from being assaulted - it's a reasonable assumption that the baton and knife have been used before and no doubt will be at some point in the future.
46

Martin Randall,

Glasgow 13/02/2008 00:57:57
The Sentance was out of order! i wonder wot the judge wood have done if she was in that postion!! am sure she wood of done the same thing the victims in this Are Stephen Armstrong And His family who are finding this really hard

Definitely Armstrong For Primeminister !!!!!!!!!
47

lwaukglen resident,

glasgow 13/02/2008 01:46:26
as a resident and neighbour of mr armstrong he is a caring quiet man who lives for his 8 children who are a credit to him he was threatened ioutside his hom in front of his kids the yob saying he would stab in front of them if he didnt go round the corner with him in doing so mr armstrong came out of his car unarmed to be met with a 14 inch knife and metal baton the YOB TRIED TO STAB HIM SEVERAL TIMES AND SHAKING MR A RAN BACK TO HIS CAR the yob followed smashed up his car breaking all windows the YOB walked away laughing mr A tried to drive his car home shaking and in shock the YOB jumped out to hit his car again HE WAS NOT HIDING IN A BUSH he lost control of the car and hit him not hard enough AS THE YOB WHO CANOT BE NAMED AS HIS CASE IS STILL TO COME UP IS STILL PARADING RUNNING JUMPING ABOUT DRUNK WALKING BY MY WINDOW AND INDEED THE ARMSTRONGS WINDOW GOD HELP THE NEXT PERSON HE MEETS WHEN ON DRUGS WHO CANT GET AWAY FROM HIM AND THERE IS NO DOUBT IN MY MIND THIS WILL HAPPEN AND WE WILL ALL HAVE LET HIS NEXT VICTIM DOWN mr armstongs 8 innocent children are also victims of this YOB
48

orangefalcon40,

Edinburgh 13/02/2008 11:56:04
It gives me hope that so many of us with the small exception of #13 understand what is going on. Perhaps we can find a new place for the #13s of this world to live in so the rest of us can live in peace.
49

Island eye,

outer hebrides 13/02/2008 12:10:20
13 unlucky for some alright!With a mentality like that. Why should Britain tremble!
50

F Watson,

Glasgow 13/02/2008 12:44:01
Stephen and his family are paying the consequences of the so called 'victim's' actions who's sole reason for being anywhere near his home was to intimidate,threaten and terrify them. Clearly the police are powerless to deal with these situations leaving Stephen with no choice but to protect his wife and children himself for which he has received a completely excessive three year 8 month prison sentence. As for the ridiculous suggestion that he should have simply have driven on to the police station leaving his wife and 8 children facing this cowardly scum, thank God he didn't, who knows what he would have come home to. The 'victim' simply came off worse in a situation that was entirely of his own making. Stephen and his family who miss him terribly,are the real victims. Really, who would miss this junked up scum anyway?
51

LibbyJune,

Edinburgh 13/02/2008 14:29:42
Living in an area where 'thugs' - age range 10 to 25 - know that they can do whatever they like to anyone they choose I find Stephen's case very worrying and scary. So many times during the past 2years my family have had to endure 'anti-social' behaviour without any sense of justice for us and the families trying to live a peaceful life. Indeed when the idiots deliberately walk out in front of my car I don't stop - Ive always said I'd rather have my day in court then give in to their intimidation and bullying tactics. We must make a stand for Stephen Armstrong and his family, this involves everyone and every community in the uk. What can we do?
Does anyone know if there is to be any sort of public demonstration in support of Stephen? Am I right in thinking that this event has been somewhat buried as there does not seem to be alot of media attention or public outcry? Today's news is taken up with the Tilda Swinton and her relationship choices(who cares)and nothing more about Mr Armstrong. What can we do?
52

F Watson,

Glasgow 13/02/2008 14:57:01
#LibbyJune-You are completely right, there has not been enough media support for Stephen and his family to date, however STV did do a piece on TV last night and there are people currently working to draw greater media attention highlighting Stephen's case.
53

C U Jimmy,

Ayrshire 14/02/2008 09:42:27
It's the person who passed this sentence that should be jailed.
54

rpollock,

Glasgow 14/02/2008 14:14:18
The first mistake The honourable Mr Armstrong made was pleading guilty as it gave him no chance of the public offering there own choice of natural justice.
The comments above show quite clearly that we the public are sick and tired of the judicial system failing the decent members of society and i would put cash on any jury returning a not guilty verdict in this case as a matter of natural justice, I realise the law should not be taken into your own hands but if someone pulls a machette and a baton out on you in sight of your 8 children and wife and attempts to stab you in your own street i think we would all act in different ways, The judge should have and could have taken into account that Mr Armstrong was probably temporary not in control of his actions at the time he commited the offence due to the fear factor and the fight or flight reaction that takes place within the body totally outwith your control.
Mr Armstrong decided to fight especially with the knowledge that these thugs knew where he lives and knew he was a father of eight young children.
I and many others would have done the same thing and i would think Mr Armstrongs defence team should be looking at temporary insanity for the brief moment of the offence.
anyone subject to years of abuse like mr Armstrong and then be attacked with a 3 foot blade and baton would not be in a fit state of mind to make a rational decision about right and wrong.
It shows you the charachter of the man who still had the decent public spirit and pled guilty as technically he did as charged.
The judge should realise her sentence is outrageous and hopefully the appeal judges have more balls and common sense and minimise this sentence to an appropiate level that we the public would agree with.
The law should be applied in the interest of the general public, The statements above and below quite clearly show that the public are angry and this case should be reviewed urgently as these kids need their father more than ever.
55

Singlepoint,

Kirkcaldy 14/02/2008 17:37:21
What you have here is, as usual, the one trying to impose his will on the other. The original offenders returned with a vengeance though not with a mind to kill which is clear from their harming the property and not the body. Mr Armstrong retaliated with a recklessness that amounted to intent to endanger life. Lady Smith played the fool instead of the sage. The all is due to arrogance/vanity, no more, no less, and the each will pay the each price; the nameless one for rattling sabres; Mr Armstrong for unlawfully injuring him; and Lady Smith for joining in instead of staying apart. It should be kept in mind that Mr Armstrong’s sentence resulted from his reaction to the original graffiti. It’s a lesson for us all, namely, self defence in Scotland is something you need to arrange well before you need it. Welcome to hell, indeed.
56

sranda10,

southpark village 14/02/2008 21:21:51
we appreciate your comments however there is a petition to free stephen and we would like it if you could sign it in support and pass it onto everyone you know. Follow this link:

THANK YOU

http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/stephenarmstrong/index.html
57

LibbyJune,

Edinburgh 14/02/2008 21:53:23
my search for the petition unsuccessful - did anyone else have success?
58

sranda10,

14/02/2008 22:11:50
you just copy and paste the link into the toolbar.Lets free Stephen Armstrong.
59

Jo Wong,

Waukglen Gardens 15/02/2008 13:37:30
I think it is absoloutley ridicoulous what has happened to the Armstrong family. Stephen is a very respectable family man who should not be behind bars for defending himself. I would like to ask Lady Smith what she would do if a person armed with a knife had attempted to stab her and on going in to her vehicle that same person then continued to smash all the windows in the vehicle. I think what Stephen did is called self defence, and any normal person would do the same. It's a shame he didn't do any more damage to the yob as he still continues to walk outside our homes drinking his buckie so he's not that disfigured.The justice system these days protects the weapon yielding neds who are the biggest threat to our society. It does not protect the law obiding family man. In my opinion Lady Smith needs her head read!!!
60

rpollock,

Glasgow 15/02/2008 16:37:11
add on to my earlier comments;
I have now been informed that the a$$ hole who pulled the knife out on Mr Armstrong had already stebbed the child of one of his neighbours and was released from jail with a electronic tagging device fitted to his leg?
pity you could not get a electronic rope that tightened automatically if you commited any offence

Our justice system is the laughing stock of the world not so long ago it was the envy of the world.
lets get back to basics and start of with fixing this wrong idiotic sentence.

any comments
61

Anne Armstrong,

Amsterdam 15/02/2008 17:51:12
I would like to thank all the people who have taken the time and trouble to register their comments here.It is a great comfort to my brother's wife and children.
They are all missing Stephen very much.The younger children especially find it difficult to understand why their father has been taken away from them.
Thank you Sranda 10 for the petition:
http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/stephenarmstrong/index.html

I truly believe that the vast majority of people want to live their lives in a peaceful happy way.Enjoying their family, friends and work life without fear.It is time the politicians and judiciary supported the majority and take positive effective action.
The campaign for for justice for Stephen has only just begun.
Thank you all again,please pass on the petition site.
62

Renee L.,

15/02/2008 18:51:17
http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/stephenarmstrong/index.html

Please all sign the petition to get Stephen out of jail!
63

Martin Randall,

glasgow 16/02/2008 16:14:19
hi

in order to get stephen out we need the justice minister to be made aware of this injustice. so could everyone outraged at this sentence email him on thanks.
ken.macintosh.msp@scottish.parliament.uk
64

e. moir ,

glasgow 16/02/2008 22:27:24
I think this is an absolute disgrace. A good family man cannot defend himself and his family. This country has gone to hell.It would appear if you are a scum bag and threaten innocent people you will be rewarded by our ridiculous justice system.Its a pity he didnt do more damage to the idiot.
65

The 'Menace',

Edinburgh, 19/02/2008 21:31:36
We should all get together,n,nominate this poor guy for a bravery medal,about time people took these scum into the corner,where they belong!..these-type vandals are idolised by the local hero's,n,its not going to go-away,that's for sure!,lift up your arms,people!
66

ghost chaser,

other side of the pond 20/02/2008 19:06:59
#1'' But my sympathy is 100% with the father and not at all with the 22-year-old.'' well said! i do understand the fathers side . we had a situation in the county we live in, a young man was literally terrorizing his neighbors and finally one snapped. take a look at this article. http://www.signonsandiego.com/uniontrib/20041121/news_1m21palm.html
67

Singlepoint,

Kirkcaldy 20/02/2008 19:08:20
Despite the comment and the good intentions, as I understand it, Mr Armstrong admitted to intent to endanger life and thus ensured himself a penalty, which is to say, self-defence was never and is not available here and even if it were it would not succeed. The problem is not to do with guilt or innocence but with sentencing. In short, Mr Armstrong’s penalty was not at all warranted. As for what the penalty should be; it is not a matter for the public or politicians but for appeal judges who can of course also increase the penalty. Here is the story as regards culpable homicide, which is Scotland’s version of manslaughter, and which would likely have been the charge, if not murder, had the nameless one died from his injuries;

In 2004, in Glasgow, Anne Whittle, aged 58, was guiding her husband into a parking space at a car-boot sale. Carol McMillan, aged 34, approached and put her hands on the bonnet of the car with intent to claim the parking space for herself and her partner, Charles Freeburn, also aged 34. Anne whittle protested that she and her husband had arrived first and Carol McMillan went berserk, pulled Anne Whittle by the hair to a crouching position, and kicked her repeatedly in the face. Mr Whittle got out of his car to help his wife but was attacked and beaten down by Charles Freeburn. Anne Whittle suffered a heart attack at the time of the assault and died later in hospital. Carol McMillan was charged with murder but later admitted to the reduced charge of culpable homicide and was given three years probation and put on community service.

The Crown appealed the sentence and a sentence of four years imprisonment was substituted. It follows, at least on the face of it, that Mr Armstrong’s sentence would be substantially reduced if an appeal is made. In the meantime, talk of self-defence and perceived right to attack attackers will do more harm than good.

If the reader wants to learn then make a UK Google search thus; Her Majesty’s Adv
68

Singlepoint,

Kirkcaldy 20/02/2008 19:10:05
If the reader wants to learn then make a UK Google search thus; Her Majesty's Advocate v Carol McMillan.
69

cryfreedom,

Glasgow 24/02/2008 14:48:22
Did John Smeaton who attacked a terrorist not, by definition, take the law into his own hands? Should all concerned citizens stand back and allow the thugs and terrorists to have their way? John Smeaton has rightly been lauded for the action he took. Mr Armstrong should be thanked for standing up to the neds and, at worst, placed on probation. Why not contact your own MP/MSP and tell them how you feel about this injustice. Maybe then our concerns will reach the ears of those who may be able to take action to release Mr Armstrong
70

donidon,

glasgow 21/03/2008 00:55:10
i hope the judge who gave this outragous sentence reads this you are an idiot.and should be sacked,and aloso id send you for a wee stint in the jail for being such an ass...do you live in a bubble?you are a disgrace and hope you spare a thought for this poor mans wife and kids.what if they lose their home now thru you? you have sent a great message to all neds.they must be loving it.he shus have been given a medal..your a clown...well done..

 

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