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Published Date: 30 December 2008
ROBERT Burns can help pull Scotland through tough economic times, the First Minister said yesterday.
The 250th anniversary of the birth of Scotland's national Bard would create a "wonderful" tourism opportunity, said Alex Salmond.

"We need to ensure Scotland becomes a more successful country, mitigating the downturn and leading the recovery," he
said.

"As we enter the new year, a wonderful opportunity presents itself to turn a threatened tourism downturn into a visitor boom."

The Homecoming Scotland events surrounding the anniversary would be a "marvellous celebration of all things Scottish", Mr Salmond said in his New Year message.

This included Burns himself, golf, whisky, heritage, and Scotland's scientific achievements.

In an upbeat address he acknowledged the deepening economic gloom but insisted a spirit of optimism would help Scotland through.

"For many people, 2009 will be an enormous challenge, with the full impact of the economic downturn starting to bite," said Mr Salmond.

"At times like this, therefore, it is even more important that we pull together as a nation.

"The economic storm clouds are gathering. But I know that we will weather this storm – and emerge even stronger, and well placed to prosper."

He said the Scottish Government's economic recovery plan would help families and business by accelerating investment, and boosting spending on fighting fuel poverty.

This would mean almost £70 million for councils to freeze the council tax.

"We need to ensure Scotland becomes a more successful country, mitigating the downturn and leading the recovery," said the First Minister.

The Homecoming Scotland programme would include more than 300 events across the country and throughout the year, from the world's biggest clan gathering in Edinburgh to the Burns-inspired Celtic Connections programme in Glasgow.

Mr Salmond went on: "Homecoming is a chance for Scotland's international family, and all who feel an affinity for our nation, to come back and reconnect with our heritage while also learning what being a citizen in Scotland in the 21st century actually means.

"I believe there is a spirit of optimism abroad that will pull us through the hard times, that will see Scotland take her rightful place in the world, and right now will encourage people to return to Scotland for our Year of Homecoming."





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  • Last Updated: 30 December 2008 12:09 AM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Credit Crunch
 
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connaughtboy,

stonehaven 30/12/2008 00:21:57
Great stuff from Salmond. And not a single quote from a unionist lackey. Things are looking up !
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Westfield Bairns,

falkirk 30/12/2008 00:24:42
As usual the SNP Scottish Government promotes Scotlands interests as a priority as opposed to the snought in the trough Nulabour party
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connaughtboy,

stonehaven 30/12/2008 00:29:52
So this is it? One solitary new political story. Bad show from this rag !
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Ju@n Kerr - the ex labour sheep,

30/12/2008 00:33:27
"6 Rufus-T-Firefly,30/12/2008 00:27:41
Westfield Bairns,falkirk 30/12/2008 00:24:42 "


AND THE OSCAR FOR BEST DISPLAY OF MOCK INDIGNATION GOES TO .........RUFUS AND SHAMELESS.....
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Westfield Bairns,

falkirk 30/12/2008 00:35:28
Rufus-T-Firefly

Nursey not given you meds yet Broon love child
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Conan the Librarian™,

30/12/2008 00:36:16
You really are a piece of work Rufus.

This annoying ploy of accusing the First Minister of ignoring world affairs to concentrate on parochial matters, then reversing the the accusation when the next Scottish story comes along, is getting very tiresome.

I'd forgive you if you were the funny Rufus.
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Conan the Librarian™,

30/12/2008 00:40:09
Hoos poos.
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Ju@n Kerr - the ex labour sheep,

30/12/2008 00:40:36
#8 - Rufus - No what is abhorent is someone taking and using the deaths of hundreds and using it to attack another on an unconnected story.

Observers father was Jewish, Observer is a SHE, Observer is a passionate Ex Labour voter who actually still cares for the old ideals folk like you smashed up for crumbs from the table. Observer is making a perfectly acceptable point that Israel is like a bull in a china shop and has never said Hamas were right, only that all sides need to STOP, and aplply the tools at their disposal.

Meanwhile litle turds like you would happily use others misery to make themselves appear right on an unrelated thread.

SADDOWATCH FOR YOU!

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Ju@n Kerr - the ex labour sheep,

30/12/2008 00:40:48
hoos poos!
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Conan the Librarian™,

30/12/2008 00:46:42
Good Morning Juan.
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Nicely put, as always.
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Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 30/12/2008 00:48:22
Sorry, folks. That headline just made me do a technicolour yawn.

Rufus just made me look and feel pathos. Not the musketeer - Firefly XL5 (the puppet).
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TWC,

30/12/2008 00:50:20
Brown is a useless has been we all know it and will vote him out, even if we must vote snp to do it.
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Conan the Librarian™,

30/12/2008 00:51:44
Hmm...Lard Foulkes was saying he had to claim so much money from the taxpayer, because he had to"supervise" the workings of MI5 and MI6.

http://news.scotsman.com/scotland/Labour-MSP-Foulkes-defends-Lords.4826272.jp
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Conan the Librarian™,

30/12/2008 00:55:54
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Strange that Jock, my girlfriend made me wear Aramis once.
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boaby swingin',

from Meg's tail 30/12/2008 00:58:04
The Scotsman's resident Labour loving mischief-maker, deceptively dense Rufus-T-Firefly, simpered, "Burns? Burns? Even though this lower working class poet from some hovel is lauded and celebrated all over the world, it is jolly bad form for the SNP to say he is Scottish! Everyone knows he is as nothing compared to my Willie - Shakespeare, that is."
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Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 30/12/2008 01:03:10
28, Conan. I was up in Atholl once and saw the Tartanyin. He spoke of the 3 Muscoteers.
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Conan the Librarian™,

30/12/2008 01:06:15
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I said once to Rufus that instead of all these Marx Bros monikers that he is using, he should cut to the chase and post as Faker Englund.

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Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 30/12/2008 01:06:17
Assole, Pathos and Arrogant - the 3 Weegietears.
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Ju@n Kerr - the ex labour sheep,

30/12/2008 01:10:31
#27 - Do you realise your showing yourself up as a bit of an eejit? Iwas commenting on the fact , that in your rant against observer above, that you managed to get every single point you made wrong and used the deaths of others too further your own cause. Observers original point yesterday was why people were not allowed to comment on the story. A fair point made for most people who believe in democracy and freedom of speech.

Man your attempts at circular debate are awfully cack handed old bean! pip pip!

Hows the pretendy Scottishness going?
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Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 30/12/2008 01:20:25
Rufus works for a housing charity - Roof Us. He doesn't raise much.
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30/12/2008 01:26:23
#18 - AS : Hoos poos too yoo too!
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30/12/2008 01:46:03
#40 - AS - With these Berrero you are really spoiling us.....

41/42 Rufus grow up you divott.
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Shamus,

GLASGOW 30/12/2008 01:53:57
BREAKING NEWS: Salmund Muftie Dive has announced that a long dead person the Great Rabbie Burns can pull us through the so called economic mess. Rabbie wisnae elected WEE ALEC and he is unfortunately pan breid.
Some hae meat an cannae eat and some wad eat that want it, but we hae meat an cannae eat an say the Lord be thankit. Go back tae Iceland Alec.
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Ju@n Kerr - the ex labour sheep,

30/12/2008 01:59:52
#47 you've brought the saddos out of the woodwork, Shameless has arrived! He is getting all in a tiz on the bashing the bishop thread.......oooooer....
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Ju@n Kerr - the ex labour sheep,

30/12/2008 02:13:48
54 - No neeed, He is not anywhere near as articulate and stands out like an Englishman pretending to be a Scotsman on a Scotish comments thread.

And his faux working class pal Shameless: The woolfy Smith of the right wing.
Notice how Labour Trolls(not all) carry out this pathetic behaviour?

1 Pretends to be Scottish, the Other pretends to Scottish and working class, I await the Gay one, the islamic one and the tory one (wait a min we got them allready!)then the demographic is complete and the bull continues!
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Ju@n Kerr - the ex labour sheep,

30/12/2008 02:20:42
#57 - union - you mean #56?
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Shamus,

Glasgow 30/12/2008 02:33:37
55# I decided tae come back fae the deid Wan efter ma wee libation. Caught you oot again with yer keech. Switch oan man or wummin get with the programme and vote Labour. You know the SNP ARE MIDDLE CLASS wasters. They have taken advantage of your working class disposition. The fact that you have to work for a living while they sponge off you does not bother them. Happy New Year from me and the Band!
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Shamus,

Glasgow 30/12/2008 02:41:45
51# The great mission of Scotsmen and Wummin is to give the English values. We are acheiving this. Slowly. It is a good cause. Pity about the idiot Salmund.
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Ju@n Kerr - the ex labour sheep,

30/12/2008 02:54:07
#63 -Shameless - Now he's lazarus - Lol

http://news.scotsman.com/politics/Labour-defiant-after-bishops-brand.4826261.jp

For anyone wishing too see the keek Shameless reffers too? He is obviously hoping nobody checks and folk just take his word.

If he has nothing to say he just trots out well known phrase like the time will come. We will rise. The union Jack will forever fly over edinburgh. etc etc, with no hint of an actual point.


Shameless I am working class. And if you are then your one who has forgot his community long ago for standing and backing up the treatment of your peers.

As most people suspect, your just like rufus. A Labour contrived ploy to fill a demographic in the hope people will believe your really what you say. I note you never got onto me regarding your challenge of "do i know what a shop steward is" , when I informed you my mother was a senior one. Kinda realised oyou were punching out of your legue their. Now you attempt the cosy up ans soft words.

BOLT YA BAM!



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Ju@n Kerr - the ex labour sheep,

30/12/2008 03:03:50
Shameless:"You know the SNP ARE MIDDLE CLASS wasters. They have taken advantage of your working class disposition."

No, As a fully fledged and working class Scot not ashaed of where he is from or where he is going. that is the treatment i got from LAbour.

Told for years things will improve if we switch too their brand, And once in office swee fa otherthan them making themselves millionaires , such as foulkse, Alexander(s), Marshall and his daughter and wife and a host of cabinet members and back benchers.Meanwhile the working classes can stay poor, stay in poverty. As it suits Labours purposes as a force against the tories. Working class middle or upper. The SNP are working for a fairer, free-er and more accountable Scottish goverment.

So please, Less of the miroring. All you do is remind people that is Exaclty how labour have betrayed the people they purport to represent. Meanwhile highlighting to people the SNP do no such things!

ANOTHER ROOTIN' TOOTIN' FOOT SHOTIN' MOMMENT FROM SHAMELESS

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Ju@n Kerr - the ex labour sheep,

30/12/2008 03:17:58
Callaghan killed plan for vote on independent Scotland

"Mr Callaghan's decision to exclude a question on independence, which has strong echoes of Gordon Brown ignoring Wendy Alexander's tactic last year to trump the SNP, could be seen by his critics as having delayed devolution by two decades.

In January 1978, a Scottish delegation, including George Robertson, Helen Liddell and Donald Dewar, met the Prime Minister in an attempt to persuade Mr Callaghan of the merits of adding a second question to the devolution referendum. The Scottish hierarchy feared its supporters would not vote in the referendum but could be stirred into action against the SNP and "wanted to have a go" over the idea of independence.

advertisementThe two-fold plan, to bolster support in the devolution vote and slay independence for a generation, was devised by Alf Young, then a research officer with the Scottish Labour Party, and now The Herald's assistant editor."

Oh dear, Alf.
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Ju@n Kerr - the ex labour sheep,

SHAMUS IS BNP 30/12/2008 03:46:14
No wonder the real shamus likes to highlight in a circular way Labours failings. He's BNP and is trying to scism the debate.

http://news.scotsman.com/politics/Murphy-attacks-Salmond39s-Homecoming-strategy.4825811.jp#3581787

bottom of comments section.
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Scotindy,

Los Angeles 30/12/2008 05:30:14
Who is this IDIOT Rufis,Yet another one of those NEGATIVE OUT OF DATE UNIONISTS. The Referendum ON independence in 2010 will put PAID to his type, and the result will be that SCOTLAND will have her REPRESENTATION at the 2012 OLYMPICS. Happy New Year EVERYONE...........
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Rodster,

Glasgow, holidaying in Dubai 30/12/2008 06:11:05
Well let us hope the First Minister is correct and Burns can help beat the credit crunch.
for sure Quisling Brown and his Darling cannot do anything but make it worse.
Noted today the mighty pound has finally hit parity with the Euro and still the newspapers try to kid us that the world is following the mentally dreanged great leaders srtategy???
It reminds me of Hitler moving imaginary divisions in the last days of WW2 or perhaps Nero and fiddles come to mind.
but why oh why do any of the media still support this lot of carpetbagging no users?
Never mind Independence even with staus quo this country is in the brown induced poo poo we need to get rid of Labour and get rid of them for good.
even against hte Phillipines Peso the pound has collapsed by 35% in a few months.
Yet this fool from Fife and his cohorts still keep lying and spinning, aided and abetted by a complioant media.Gordon...Oh Really?? then why this collapse of our currency?
unlike me be oppossed to Independence if you wish , but for god's sake let us get this lot out asap.
Everytime Labour get into power they destroy the economy when will the voting fodder learn????
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Irvine 30/12/2008 07:05:32
1.02 Euros to the pound, and if interest rates drop this week it will be worth the same as a pound or maybe more. Alex Salmond is right by saying Burns could help Scotland but Broon played a belter as well. More shopping chains closing with more to follow, unemployment heading for 3,000,000+, the aircraft carriers delayed (will they ever be built?), homeless increasing, child poverty at 25% and going up but Broon saved the world and can feel the pain.
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glassbenmhor,

30/12/2008 07:10:32
SO THE LESSON FOR TO_DAYUNIONIST==========LONERS

I couldn't agree more!
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glassbenmhor,

30/12/2008 07:24:42
Vote for Gordon and the BRITS!

you have done it before, you can do it again,

Hey Gordy WHERE IS OUR GOLD
Hey Gordy WHERE IS THE CARRIER CONTRACTS
Hey Gordy WHERE IS WEEEEE DOUGGY TO FIX THE NEXT ELECTION,
Hey Gordy WHERE IS THE SMALL PRINT ON P.F.I.
Hey Gordy WHERE IS FOULKES OR THE TAXPAYERS DOSH
Hey Gordy WHERE IS GOEBBLES MICK OR AN APPOLOGY
Hey Gordy WHICH CLOSET IS THE PRINCE OF DARKNESS IN
OOOPPS!!
Hey Gordy WHERE IS ALL OUR PERSONAL IMFORMATION GONE,

Hey Gordy, THE ONLY TERRORIST IN WESTERN EUROPE IS A FINANCIAL ONE,

AND THAT MA BOY IS YOU!
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Churchill W.,

30/12/2008 07:25:03
Conan the Librarian™ # 28

Did she say if she thought Aramis looked good on you?

What's black and brown and looks good on Alec Salmond?
A doberman.
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glassbenmhor,

30/12/2008 07:33:09
21 st Century politics,

LABOUR CASTE ASIDE THE RED FLAG, PULL ON THE UNIFORM OF DEAR OLD JOHN BULL and if your quick you'll see their reflection upon the Lions backsides in Trafalgar Square.

Yup you'll find more to do with Scotland Victoria's' tomb than in the LABOUR PARTY
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Rodster,

Glasgow , on location in dubai 30/12/2008 07:39:23
Oh Curchill you pathetic little Unionist loser!!!
Your beloved Brittania is going down to hell in a handcart , ably assisted by a fellow Quisling frae Fife ,he of the skelly eye and the compulsive repetitive disorder, ably assisted by bushy brows , and all you can do is make snipes about the First Minister.
May I suggest in the New year you buy a few books eg Quisling , Patriot or Traitor.?
Brown, Full or Half Wit?
Wendy the Poo or P only ?
Iain the Stooge or Puppet
last but not least , although I am sure all you Brit Nats keep a copy MEIN KAMPF
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Grahamski,

Falkirk 30/12/2008 07:41:50
Mr Salmond continues to prove conclusively that the SNP are no more than a single issue protest movement not fit for purpose when it comes to government. Their real problem of course is that they do not represent the majority of Scots.
You only have to look at the bitter and twisted ramblings of those who purport to support independence: rarely positive almost entirely abusive and in glassbenmhor's case, completely incoherent. A spiteful and loud-mouthed minority claim to speak for us. We should tell them where to get off.....
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The Tin Man,

30/12/2008 07:52:20
The current Scot exec seem to be suceeding in making the Scottish parliament an irrelevence.

Might as well go back to just having the Scottish Office?
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The Tin Man,

30/12/2008 07:57:12
The SNP have even suceeded in making an independence referendum an irrelevence. If they can't forge cross-party alliances to pass legislation on something like Creative Scotland, referendum legislation is never going to making it out of the parliament in 2010.



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Jimmy Le Pie,

30/12/2008 07:57:15
It certainly won't be Comrade Broon that sorts the economy. He *ucked it in the first place!

Grahamski - How is the Pound/Euro exchange rate doing???


Thank God for Alex Salmond and his SNP government!
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eric,

lothian 30/12/2008 08:00:31
Ill holiday here in Scotland again next year.Love it.
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Grahamski,

Falkirk 30/12/2008 08:02:14
And still the nationalist posters on here fail to post a single message that is positive. All we get from them is a foaming hatred of the Labour Party and progressive politics in general and a knee-jerk hurrah for 'patriots'.....hmmmmm
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Churchill W.,

30/12/2008 08:02:58
Rodster # 81

Salmond has got you where he wants you. Believing that he can raise the dead and save Scotland.
Salmond will be alright with his multiple pay packets, sneering at people like you who have to make do. Salmond needs people like you to keep polishing it for him.
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Rodster,

dubai 30/12/2008 08:04:06
87 tin Man you niaive little person , even if your beloved Uninoist parties try to thwart the referendum the Scottish electorate will have 2 chances to express their view in the election to the bosses place in Westminster and to oor ain Parliament in Edinburgh .
so to quote your Wendy "Bring it on!!"
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The Tin Man,

30/12/2008 08:07:40
#88 Jimmy

I did used to consider Salmond to be an astute politician. I have found him to be very disappointing over the last year - just another divisive windbag, capable of displaying remarkable lack of judgement (financial regulation, Trump).

Hopefully, he will pull his socks up in 2009.
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Falkirk 30/12/2008 08:07:50
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Oor ain parlaiment? You really want to turn our country into a shortbread tin parody don't you? Och aye the noo, indeed. And you're in Dubai, that explains a lot......
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The Tin Man,

30/12/2008 08:10:34
#92 Rodster

Why do you consider my post #87 to be 'Unionist'? It is a comment on the Scottish exec's inability to work with the MSP's to bring about legislation.
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And still the nats peddle their negative dirty tricks...that'll work
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Churchill W.,

30/12/2008 08:17:01
Rodster # 94

Its easy to comment on the efficacy of Salmond from Dubai, trying living in Scotland with the fat fakir. Conjurer-up of long dead poets.
Salmond spends his time, wistfully, looking around for a soapbox, or to be more precise a large shortbread tin, with a Burn's image, to grandstand from with his latest brainwave.
The sun in Dubai has frazzled your dome if you think Salmond is the new messiah.
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Churchill W.,

30/12/2008 08:20:28
Jimmy Le Pie # 96

Smears and sneers from the SNP; if there was any evidence against anybody that you mention then the in-house SNP grass, Agnes McNeil, would have made his customary complaint to the forces of law and order.
So, unless you have any new evidence your face is shut.
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Churchill W.,

30/12/2008 08:31:46
'Sir Vivian Fuchs off to the Antartic again.' # 100

You think that was a "hissy fit?" I would like to have been a fly on the wall when Salmond found out that his big pal Donald Trump isn't going to build any houses on Menie, the meanie. That is, after Salmond dropping what he was doing then and going out in the middle of the night for his hotel meating with "big" Donald.
Talk about a let down; maybe Salmond will have more luck conjuring up Rabbie Burns? What do you think?
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The Tin Man,

30/12/2008 08:35:46
#103

Who is James Callaghan?
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Churchill W.,

30/12/2008 08:35:57
Grahamski # 101

Do you think that Angus McNeil MSP SNP will be deselected before the next election, for his heavy petting session with the ministers daughter, or, will Rabbie Burns appear in time to save Macneil too?

I think oor Rabbie, as the Natz say, is going to be busy next year, whatever!
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Churchill W.,

30/12/2008 08:38:46
Sir Vivian Fuchs off to the Antartic again # 103 - 105

Boy can you type fast, you did all that in 7 SNP minutes. Guess what though, nobody is going to read it.
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Grahamski,

Falkirk 30/12/2008 08:53:36
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To be honest I couldn't care less who the nats select to represent them. They are an irrelevance, the political equivalent of the bitter gossip, always whispering poisonous lies about their neighbours - just look at the posts above; nothing but malicious spite about their political opponents.
They are light weights without a political philosophy or set of values. That's why you hear nothing but bile and bombast from them.
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The Tin Man,

30/12/2008 08:59:01
#109 Sir Viv

What with the Altzheimer's and all, I can't remember to tie both shoe-laces, never mind what happened 30 years ago.
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The Tin Man,

30/12/2008 09:02:37
Now, is the Scot exec going to tie both it's shoe-laces, and actually do anything in 2009?
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Rodster,

Dubai 30/12/2008 09:03:17
Churchill you twit if you read all the posts and took things in you would have noted earlier that I am merely taking a well earned break in
Dubai .
I am blessed to live in Glasgow and carry the patriotic fight from there.
So
I will comment as I please you and your ilk ave 2 or 3 monikers you use to look like a popu;lar crew .
I merely move my location .
not enough lamposts in Scotland for you and your lot
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Jimmy Le Pie,

30/12/2008 09:07:55
I hope 2009 brings war criminals, Comrades Bliar and Broon to trial in the Hague.

The people of Iraq deserve nothing less.
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Auld Twa,

Edinburgh 30/12/2008 09:11:37
Our wish for the New Year is that by the end of the year Scotland's Government has the power to do what it thinks is in the best interests of Scots.
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Rodster,

Glasgow 30/12/2008 09:12:05
as to you Tin Man why do I think you are a Unionist ..
well let me think ,could it be references to Scottish Exec instead of Scottish government?/ mm or perhaps over numerous months under your different monikers you consistently and continously attack anything from the SNP or the good of Scotland .
last but not least Nationalists ,and only Nationalists on these threads like me admit to the party of their choice.
Quislings ,Unionists (same thing) never ever admit to their preference.
The sneakiest being Labourites and BNP scum ,then again if you support either of these parties it is shameful to admit
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The Tin Man,

30/12/2008 09:13:08
#113 The Tin Man

The exec have been so bereft of action in 2008 that I have been reduced to posting in reply to myself.

Hopefully, there will be better fodder in 2009.
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Jimmy Le Pie,

30/12/2008 09:13:25
Will Comrade Broon hold "Britishness Day" before his war crimes trial??

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The Tin Man,

30/12/2008 09:16:34
#118 Rodster

Personally, I am ambivalent about independence, and more concerned by reality.

But at least I try to be polite, and am open to argument.
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Jimmy Le Pie,

30/12/2008 09:17:04
SM753

Is going to war on a lie acceptable???
WMD in 45 minutes???

Mind you lying comes easily to New Labour Sleaze.
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Grahamski,

Falkirk 30/12/2008 09:21:53
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Oh, so we've moved from illegal to unacceptable have we?
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Yok Finney,

Ross-shire 30/12/2008 09:24:21
Ivor Tiefenbrun of LINN points out that there are not enough manufacturers of quality products in Scotland. Quick fixes or UK-type economic bail-outs will not remedy this.

We have to teach engineering in scottish schools - both hands-on projects and theory - promote it (by a scottish broadcasting service?) and have immediate and accessible funding and low-rent premises to get us started.

What did Japan and now China buy to make them great exporting countries? Know-how. For it's the ACTION of the creative mind that innovates and creates real value and wealth in a nation.

High flyers like Arthur S Young (head of the Bell Helicopter project) also depended on the (then good) quality of american state education and craft apprenticeships to make it work! Make it happen.
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carrottop,

Dumfries 30/12/2008 09:30:46
Robert Burns died in poverty as do a lot of people in Dumfries so dont see how he is going to help.
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W Smith,

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What is Salmond, the economist, thinking about?

His little speech is cringey - he should stop listening to his favourite CD, 'The Corries Live in '75 at Pitlochry Theatre', and join the rest of us in reality.

This recession, like all other recessions, will drive Scots out of Scotland as they look for work as they realise quoting Robert Burns doesn't pay the mortgage.
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TWC,

30/12/2008 10:18:37
127 carrottop,
Much of the poverty in Dumfries and other coastal areas was caused by the Union with England which stopped trade with Europe and the removal of the Nobility to England cut visitors etc as witnessed in the reports from Daniel Defoe(1723)
He was disappointed that much of Scotland had failed to benefit as was expected from the Union, and remember he was the guy who engineered the bribe which sold Scotlands independence.

Rufus Salmond may be a smug strutting wee poitician but he is always positive and presents Policies which offer some improvement.
The whole Labour party is bereft of a Scottish policy.
£= €1.022
£= $1.44
A Labour disaster
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Heather B,

Anstruther 30/12/2008 10:20:53
Salmond is hardly likely to come out and say we've had it, is he!

Using Burns as a symbol to attract tourists is the same as what our friends over the Irish Sea do with Joyce, Yeats, etc.
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AJ Fife,

30/12/2008 10:22:00
Once again the statesman-like quality of Mr Salmond is there for all to see! His optimism is refreshing and his confidence in Scotland's potential is invigorating, especially at this time of, Westminster- led, economic disaster!

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Grahamski,

Falkirk 30/12/2008 10:22:14
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You really should stop quoting your Ladybird history books. No grown-up shares your delusions or is impressed by your gross distortions of our country's history.
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Glasgow 30/12/2008 10:24:43
131 They are just trolls Scotsgait. Either that or people who need psychiatric help. Self-hatred is treatable, but they need to recognise their own condition first.
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Grahamski,

Falkirk 30/12/2008 10:25:36
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Tell us how statesman-like it is for Mr Salmond to sign a card gloating at our neighbour's being cheated at football?
Is that statemanship or a snide wee nobody cackling at their more successful neighbour's misfortune?
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Publius,

London 30/12/2008 10:25:51
I thought the SNP government were going to stamp down on serial binge drinkers like Robert Burns!
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Observer..,

Glasgow 30/12/2008 10:26:38
123 Your kind of denial is pitiful. Stop defending the indefensible.
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Observer..,

Glasgow 30/12/2008 10:28:15
140 Good one, I'm glad to see somebody on here has a sense of humour.
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Falkirk 30/12/2008 10:28:51
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Stop protecting fascists.
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Publius,

London 30/12/2008 10:30:00
#126; #130

A lot of goods are made IN China, but not BY China. Multinationals may abandon China if labour costs rise.

Scotland has already been there. Remember all the hype about Silicon Glen. A lot of it turned out to be screwdriver assembly plants which moved on when cheaper labout became available in eastern Europe and the Far East.


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Observer..,

Glasgow 30/12/2008 10:30:51
90 Labour Party ? Progressive politics ? Aye you've got a sense of humour too.
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bully wee alba,

Edinburgh 30/12/2008 10:34:12
Rufus T Foulkes

Robert Burns had some musings on the likes of you.

“Now, for my friends' and brethren's sakes,
And for my dear-lov'd Land o' Cakes,
I pray with holy fire:
Lord, send a rough-shod troop o' Hell
O'er a' wad Scotland buy or sell,
To grind them in the mire!”
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Glasgow 30/12/2008 10:34:40
145 very well said.
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Grahamski,

Falkirk 30/12/2008 10:36:17
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I missed your hand-wringing outrage at the terrorist attacks on Israeli civilians by the islamo-fascists of Hamas. I'm sure they are posted somewhere perhaps you would be good enough to direct me to them?
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The Tin Man,

30/12/2008 10:45:20
#151

Don't worry - I am sure it will all blow over in a few centuries.

Are you arguing in favour of better weapons for the Gazan authorities?
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Glasgow 30/12/2008 10:46:33
152 No Tin Man I am arguing for diplomacy, common sense, and humanitarianism.
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The Tin Man,

30/12/2008 11:00:56
#153 Observer

Well, there is always hope. Unfortunately diplomacy, common sense, and humanitarianism don't seem to feature very high on the adgenda in those parts, with both parties prefering asymetrical smiting.

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arc of insolvency,

30/12/2008 11:00:56
Grahamski I agree with you, but I don't think much of the left including the SNP will do, Salmond probably reckons it is unpardonable folly.

As for Salmond thinking Rabby Burns will make much difference to our ecconomic difficulties in 2009, well just goes to show more evidence of SNP's inability to govern....well atleast he can always do the usual and blame someone else, what a leader!

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InThePark,

Edinburgh 30/12/2008 11:01:34
I wish Rufus-T-Firefly and co, would just P$&* off, you are like a stuck record. As soon as any article appears its Salmond this Salmond that. For fcuks sake, if Scotland under the SNP is so bad then p&&* off somewhere else.

Although on a positive note, its putting me off viewing the Scotsman online, and as i no longer read the printed version maybe its for the best.

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The Tin Man,

30/12/2008 11:06:33
#158 ptdoug

What about the Egyptians?
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Grahamski,

Falkirk 30/12/2008 11:07:52
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Sorry, I missed your hand-wringing outrage over the attacks on innocent Israelis by the terrorists of Hamas.
Where did you post it?
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TWC,

30/12/2008 11:08:13
156 arc of insolvency - You agree with Grahamski

no surprise there then nor any real humanity You must both be New Labour men - Burns was a Humanitarian and is celebrated around the world.
He certainly would have hated a party which is the reverse of Robin Hood -- Robbing the poor and giving to the rich.
Diplomacy is the only answer because, as with our Financial disaster, it is the ordinary people who will suffer not the big guys.
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Falkirk 30/12/2008 11:17:24
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There is nothing quite as nauseating as the evil wee anti-semites who would defile the memory of the shoa to make cheap, snide points. You are beneath contempt.
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Falkirk 30/12/2008 11:19:20
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Nazis in Israel? How sick are you, exactly?
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TWC,

30/12/2008 11:20:40
165 Rufus-T-Firefly,

#157 is right you've stopped debating recently and started copying the Labour poodles, Blame everything on SNP and Salmond.
I have heard nothing of alternative proposals and that guy Grahamski is a sandwich short of a picnic

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Falkirk 30/12/2008 11:20:58
Come to think of it, why were the nats so keen to stop our kids visiting concentration camps? Are they being influenced by their holocaust-denying allies in Hamas?
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Peekay,

30/12/2008 11:22:21
To return to the question in hand............
Salmond is just plain WRONG. It is not some long-dead poet who will see Scotland through the credit crunch, and nor is it the return of those who have taken the chicken run out of Scotland, it will only be the hard work and enterprise of the Scottish people who will pull the country through. But as usual Salmond prefers to look back to a non-existant past than forward to a challenging future.
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Churchill W.,

30/12/2008 11:30:37
Sir Vivian Fuchs off to the Antartic again # 110

Nobody will read your posts as I predicted, but, not for the reasons that I thought, self-serving, revisionist rubbish. I suspect that the Scotsman saw them as libellous. Jimmy le Pie was sanctioned @ 96 for the same reason.
Just stick to the story above about Salmond saying that Robert Burns is going to save Scotland next year. Begs the question though, no doubt one that smarmy Salmond has been asking himself: if Robert Burns is going to do Salmond's job, what is Salmond for?
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The Tin Man,

30/12/2008 11:31:27
So, if we want to introduce some balance to the smiting, if Hamas fires 80 missiles, the Isreali's should get to fire 80 missiles.
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Scythia,

30/12/2008 11:32:15
Homecoming will make little impact on the economy. Unfortunately ,massive job cuts and hardship is coming in 2009 something no politician or marketing exercise will avert.

#153 -

What's the common link between Hamastan,London,Glasgow,Bali,New York,Mumbai,Beslan ?

-clue:five letter word starts with J and ends with D ).

What religion is responsible for 99% of the worlds terrorism ?

- (clue : five letter word starts with I ends with M)





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Rodster,

Glasgow 30/12/2008 11:34:46
Grahamski you are a dispicable right wing Neo Nazi thug.
How youcan justify Israel killing so many innocent civilians is beyond me.
Then again i remeber you supporting the illegal war of occupation in Iraq.
how you must be enjoying the humiliation of British forces in their defeat in same war.
now the iraquis want the British Army out , the Americans think they are a joke,and had to get back into Basra to clean up the defeat caused by Brown pulling the troops out for political as opposed to military needs.
His skin at the ballot box is more important than the lives or reputation of the British Army .
you must also be enjoying the defeat in Helmand province and beyond.
Perhaps if Brown funded your imperial British Army better you would not be suffering these defeats
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TWC,

30/12/2008 11:36:21
173 Peekay,
Any money we can get in will be welcome but I agree that we need to look to the future.
So someone remind me what are Labour's proposals for the future of Scotland
No Fiscal Autonomy
No Council Tax alternative
No Scottish policies
A Fixed income but reduced in 2 years
Where are the Barnett concequentials to accomodate the new Fiscal action?

Labour are the only party without a single policy, and Scottish Labour was once the only party with ideas in Scotland.
Now it's the Square root of FA
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Churchill W.,

30/12/2008 11:37:04
Heather B # 134

At least they have great pubs in Dublin, unlike Anstruther. How is the Royal doing incidentally?
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bully wee alba,

Edinburgh 30/12/2008 11:39:31
#173 Pukey

Thank goodness that we can still count within our midst visionaries such as Alex Salmond, who can gain inspiration from poets, dead or otherwise, and chart the way forward for our nation.

Far better that than being guided by the dead hand of the morally, financially and spiritually corrupt philistines of the avarice and greed tendencies.
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Grahamski,

Falkirk 30/12/2008 11:39:56
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Rodster,
Please desist from stinking out these boards with your incoherent babble and infantile name-calling. I thank you.
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The Tin Man,

30/12/2008 11:41:42
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Now, now you can hardly acuse the Gazans of avarice and greed.
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The Tin Man,

30/12/2008 11:45:36
#168

Bizarly enough, Russian neo-nazi gangs are a growing problem in Isreal.
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Rodster,

Dubai 30/12/2008 11:47:36
Grahamski the day you leave these boards or admit your vile treachery against my country I will gladly leave these boards .
but unti lsuch time as all Neo Nazi right wing war mongers like you infest Scotland and Scottish society I will be here to help defeat your foul and disgusting Unionist BNP /Labour propoganda
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alanh,

ek 30/12/2008 11:48:16
is it too hard for the unionists on here to realise that with broon bankrupting our country and the value of our money falling to the low level it is that it makes Scotland a very attractive place for foreign visitors.
add in the Burns anniversary for extra publicity and Rabbie can help our country as the first minister has optomistically said.

But no just the usual moaning and greetin and negative garbage from the unholy union alliance against anything our country tries
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The Tin Man,

30/12/2008 11:52:20
#190 alanh

Who is arguing against the tourism initiative? Or is that something you made-up in your head, because it is wired like that?
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Churchill W.,

30/12/2008 11:55:59
Rodster # 189

Scotland is not your country alone and what someone says or thinks is only a thought crime in the minds of Salmond and the diminishing minority who think like you.

I say, put Salmond's picture on the shortbread tins. At that point Salmond will have reached the pinnacle of his usefulness.

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30/12/2008 11:57:20
192 A lot of people are arguing against Homecoming 2009 for political reasons as they see it as a nationalist plot. Bizarre and stupid, as it was the brainchild of Jack McConnell.
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alanh,

ek 30/12/2008 11:57:26
#192

try READING the comments tin man...........then you will see where the usual suspects have said that the first minister is wrong to say Burns can help.

but as usual your blinkerred reading must have missed that, a bit like the one sided figures you regularly quote from party central
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The Tin Man,

30/12/2008 11:59:30
60% of the Scottish electorate are traitors, and hatred shall be heaped upon them.
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Hugh Roscombe,

30/12/2008 12:00:32
Homecoming Scotland to celebrate the anniversary of the birth of Burns was initiated by the previous executive. WTF are all the unionist idiots going on about? It would make you sick. Dear Christ Almighty. McConnell could have said the same things and you'd be creaming yer pants. Patheticissimo.
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30/12/2008 12:00:45
200
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Hugh Roscombe,

30/12/2008 12:00:46
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Hugh Roscombe,

30/12/2008 12:01:01
2nd time lucky.
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The Tin Man,

30/12/2008 12:02:19
#196 alanh

I am sure the Homecoming events will help. Burns can't help because he is dead.
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The Tin Man,

30/12/2008 12:03:38
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Hugh Roscombe,

30/12/2008 12:05:05
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Grahamski you idiot. The girls weren't under-age. Libel methinks.
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alanh,

ek 30/12/2008 12:07:21
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as usual your talking pants tin man

Some tourists will come to Scotland to see where Burns lived and grew up and thru the publicity of the anniversary. Even tho you unionists dont like the idea of the first minister being right on anything he is correct in that even if it does not fit in with the unionist agenda of talking our country down at any and every opportunity
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Falkirk 30/12/2008 12:10:38
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Libel is only libel if it is true.
The girls weren't old enough to buy drink so were therefore underage to buy drink, what did you think I meant?
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Grahamski,

Falkirk 30/12/2008 12:11:54
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Sorry, libel can't be libel if it is true, obviously.
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Hugh Roscombe,

30/12/2008 12:13:53
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Exactly. Check out the current rules for being allowed to drink alcohol you idiot.
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Peter20,

Edinburgh 30/12/2008 12:16:47
I think the homecoming thing is a great idea and what's wrong with a bit of optimism. My only problem is tying the homecoming to the birth of Robeert Burns - does anyone else think he sucked??!! Surely we have plenty to celebrate aside from this over rated poet?
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Hugh Roscombe,

30/12/2008 12:20:06
Were you aware that kids are allowed to drink alcohol from the age of 5 as long as there are adults present?
(Under 5s may only be given alcohol if it's a medical emergency)
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bully wee alba,

Edinburgh 30/12/2008 12:23:25
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Rufus T Foulkes

I am unaware of First Minister urging anyone to bet on the Glenrothes by election.

In any case, perhaps your hero, the (not so) Red Baron property magnate millionaire would be better equipped to recompense those punters in Glenrothes who have been denied proper representation?

SM753
Greggs or Threshers?

Is that your best shot?

You are not really equipped for this concept of dialectic discourse, are you?
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FooFoo,

Glasgow 30/12/2008 12:24:11
#204, Libel is also an English concept which does not appply in Scotland.
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The Tin Man,

30/12/2008 12:25:53
#210

Burns is excellent when well-translated into a foreign language (Marshak's Russian translation is notable). But the original can be a bit of a linguistic struggle for Scots, never mind other English-speakers.
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Hugh Roscombe,

30/12/2008 12:34:25
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I am aware of that Mr Pedant. Defamation better?
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Hugh Roscombe,

30/12/2008 12:38:14
Foo Foo

Actually if you read about defamation on the internet, an aggrieved party may wish to sue for libel in England.

(More pedantry)
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Falkirk 30/12/2008 12:38:38
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It is neither defamatory nor libellous to describe the two girls as underage. They were quite clearly too young to buy alcohol themselves so were 'underage'.
The MP's inappropriate behaviour is down to him being a married man 'romping' with said 'underage girls'.
All perfectly factual.
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The Tin Man,

30/12/2008 12:39:49
Besides, I farther maun avow,
Wi Leezie's lass, three times I trow
But, Lord, that Friday I was fou,
When I cam near her,
Or else, Thou kens, Thy servant true
Wad never steer her
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The Tin Man,

30/12/2008 12:40:26
Thou kens?

;-)
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Cpt Incredible,

Edinburgh 30/12/2008 12:42:57
We are indeed very fortunate to have such a visionary as Alex Salmond.
Unfortunately we can't get the full benefit of SNP wisdom,until we get rid of this despicable Union.
Whether it is the War Criminals party or the Tories,neither have Scotlands interests at heart.
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Hugh Roscombe,

30/12/2008 12:43:45
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You're wrong Grahamski. If youths wished, they could get pi­shed in their own home or at a party under the age of 18.

(I didn't say I condoned his act - just keeping you right).
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Rodster,

Dubai 30/12/2008 12:45:01
my favourite line is
what a parcel o rogues in a nation
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The Tin Man,

30/12/2008 12:46:03
Can anyone name more than three Scottish poets?
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Grahamski,

Falkirk 30/12/2008 12:47:01
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This is getting tiresome: were they old enough to buy drink? No, they were underage. Get it?
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Hugh Roscombe,

30/12/2008 12:47:32
Anybody fancy a pint?
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bully wee alba,

Edinburgh 30/12/2008 12:49:13
#214
Don’t you mean “some Scots” as opposed to the more generic term “Scots”.

Judging by your sentence construction and grammar, would I be right in thinking that neither Scots nor English is your first language?
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Hugh Roscombe,

30/12/2008 12:50:03
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Here's a quote Grahamski. "At present, children can drink in the home from the age of five."

Do YOU get it?

BTW you started this pi­sh with your silly post.

pps - I'm back in Falkirk in January. Fancy a jar? Your treat!

ppps - I'm "over-age"
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Hugh Roscombe,

30/12/2008 12:50:53
I suggest the Castings.
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Hugh Roscombe,

30/12/2008 12:57:39
Grahamski

Conversation over - your post at 101 was removed. Possibly for defamation.
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Churchill W.,

30/12/2008 12:57:43
Hugh Roscombe # 221

It is Angus MacNeil in particular who needs to be kept right.
You could have sold tickets to the meeting when the CoS meenister about his daughter having been involved in some "heavy petting" with a MacNeil from Barra. We all know about them!
Apart from that scandal, it is pitiable that the SNP supporters think it is greatt for one of their MPs to prey on young girls whilst drunk. Is that the image Salmond wants promote to people planning to come to Scotland in 2009? Drunken SNP MPs plying young girls with drink, then taking them to his hotel room and the ultimate stupidity, thinking it would be kept quiet. He's a good 'ol boy that Angus MacNeil, eh Salmond?

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Shamus,

Glasgow 30/12/2008 12:58:25
227# Hello Shug. Lots of posts removed and none of them mine. Whit dae ye make of that SNP MSP joining in on a Hamas propoganda coup. Always said the SNP were a tad dodgy!
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bully wee alba,

Edinburgh 30/12/2008 13:04:10
#223
William Dunbar
Lewis Grassic Gibbon
Lord Byron
Sir Walter Scott
Robert Louis Stevenson
Robert Tannahill
Do I win a prize?
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Hugh Roscombe,

30/12/2008 13:04:19
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See post 230. In addition I didn't say I condoned this!

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Churchill W.,

30/12/2008 13:06:48
Shamus # 232

What SNP MSP is that?
I have no sympathy or support for Hamas, but, I have a lot for the long suffering Palestinian people who are the victims in the bloody chaos.
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Hugh Roscombe,

30/12/2008 13:10:01
Shamus

What article Shamus?
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Jimmy Le Pie,

30/12/2008 13:10:22
Scottish poets??

Robert Service must rate a close second behind Rabbie.
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Hugh Roscombe,

30/12/2008 13:11:19
It was Bill Wilson. All I can find is:-

"S3M-03116 Bill Wilson (West of Scotland) (Scottish National Party): Israel's Detention of UN Special Rapporteur on Human Rights— That the Parliament notes reports of the detention of Professor Richard Falk, the UN special rapporteur on human rights in Palestinian territories occupied since 1967, thereby denying him access to the Palestinian territories and Israel; further notes that reportedly this is partly in response to his claim that Israel’s blockade of the Palestinian coastal territory of Gaza was a “Holocaust in the making”, that Israel has previously denied access to Archbishop Desmond Tutu while he was on a UN fact-finding mission in Gaza and that it has deported human rights observers accompanying Gazan fishermen, and considers that if Israel were not guilty of human rights abuses in Palestine then it would welcome human rights observers and that denying them access only lends credence to warnings about the direction of its policies."
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The Tin Man,

30/12/2008 13:12:58
#233

Indeed!

Let's not forget the great Sooooooorley McLean, though.
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30/12/2008 13:12:59
and for all our Italian readers:-

"S3M-031 16 Bill Wilson (West of Scotland) (Scottish National Party): La Detenzione del Rapporteur Speciale sui Diritti Umani da parte di Israele – "Che il Parlamento prenda atto della detenzione del Professor Richard Falk, rapporteur speciale dell’ONU per i diritti umani nei territori Palestinesi occupati dal 1967, che gli vieta l'accesso ai territori Palestinesi e ad Israele: prenda atto anche che ciò sarebbe dovuto alla sua dichiarazione secondo cui l’assedio del territorio di Gaza è un "Olocausto in atto", che Israele ha precedentemente negato l’accesso all'Arcivescovo Desmond Tutu mentre era in missione esplorativa a Gaza e che ha deportato osservatori internazionali che scortavano i pescatori di Gaza, che se Israele non fosse colpevole di abusi dei diritti umani in Palestina avrebbe dato il benvenuto agli osservatori, e che negando loro l'ingresso non fa che confermare ciò che si dice della brutta piega presa dalla politica d’Israele"."
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Jimmy Le Pie,

30/12/2008 13:13:04
Well done Hugh for keeping Grahamski right.

Learning difficulties are serious.
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TWC,

30/12/2008 13:15:12
This is murderthese Labour poodles turn everything into a Nat attack can you please try to stick to a debate about the topic or your paty's alternative.
This is rubbish
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Hugh Roscombe,

30/12/2008 13:16:18
No votes for McGonagall?

"The Arabs crept among the legs of the animals without any dread,
But by the British bullets many were killed dead,
And left dead on the field and weltering in their gore,
Whilst the dying moans of the camels made a hideous roar."

Sheer class.
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Hugh Roscombe,

30/12/2008 13:16:53
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Hey!
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The Tin Man,

30/12/2008 13:19:04
#244 Hugh

I have to admit that he is my favourite. The one about Leith docks is a masterpiece.
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The Tin Man,

30/12/2008 13:19:52
#244

lol :-)
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Tris,

Dundee 30/12/2008 13:28:03

It's a pity that these threads are becoming a slagging match between unionists and nationalists. After a couple of posts about "pee stained pyjamas" it gets very old, very fast.

It would be a pity if the Hootsman saw fit to do what the Herald did, but frankly I can see it coming.

Where on earth do you go for sensible debate? Any ideas?

PS.... What does "HOOS POOS" mean?
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Shamus,

Glasgow 30/12/2008 13:36:15
236# It was on radio Scotland earlier. About some friends of Palestine Britsh aid boat to Gaza that has been damaged. It has been diverted to Lebanon. Do not understand why an MSP would get involved. But there ye go.
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30/12/2008 13:36:29
I would like to know what 'hoos poos' means, as well.

A quick google ends in the land of pyjamas.
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Shamus,

Glasgow 30/12/2008 13:42:31
248# Do not take yourself so seriously Tris. Have a laugh and joke. You are gonny snuff it some day, life is short. Maybe the Scotsman will give you your own personal blogg and you can agree with yerself aw day. Life would be so dull without Wan Kerr.
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stonehaven 30/12/2008 13:45:27
#188 sm

Resorting to ad hominem attacks again I notice.

A sure sign of losing the argument.
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Churchill W.,

30/12/2008 13:47:32
Rufus-T-Firefly # 249

I was trying not to make it any worse than it is!
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connaughtboy,

stonehaven 30/12/2008 13:50:00
#210 peter

It's one thing to say you don't like Burns, but sheer ignorance to say "he sucked".
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Churchill W.,

30/12/2008 13:51:11
Shamus # 255

"You are gonny snuff it some day"
Hey Shamus, maybe he didn't know that, you've just ruined his day!
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connaughtboy,

stonehaven 30/12/2008 13:51:53
#217 Graham

You seem to have an unhealthy interest in young girls.
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Churchill W.,

30/12/2008 13:58:11
Rufus-T-Firefly # 259

I can hear Alec Salmond now, "Hoos Poos Trumpy, fancy a little libation in the piano bar, before the naughty press catches up?"
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Shamus,

Glasgow 30/12/2008 14:03:18
261# Better than young boys as the Bishop said tae the Alter Boy. Aw naw I have done it again someone will complain.
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Jerry Cornelius,

England 30/12/2008 14:03:30
I must apologise for Firefly's comments.

Everyone I know here in sunny Southern England is very much in favour of Scottish independence. We're also very keen on English independence- the sooner we can pack Brown, Darling, Alexander and the rest of the Scottish Mafia back off home the better.

'Homecoming Scotland' is very well timed from that point of view.

We appreciate that dumping NuLabour means that we're condemning England to an eternity of Tory governments but nothing - nothing - could be worse than the appalling Brown and his cronies. They have, unbelievably, taken this country far to the right of Thatcher/Major toryism, giving away large chunks of the public sector to private firms, increased social division, led us to commit war crimes and undermined democracy and civil liberties.

Quite astonishing. Brown is, of course, mentally ill so I suppose that we can excuse him - if not the party that allowed him to assume power, unelected. But Darling and Alexander aren't idiots and they stood back and allowed all this to happen.

So, I think we're all agreed that England and Scotland will fair much better separately when both our countries are independent.

Have an excellent 2009.
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JG,

Fife 30/12/2008 14:04:38
"William Dunbar
Lewis Grassic Gibbon
Lord Byron
Sir Walter Scott
Robert Louis Stevenson
Robert Tannahill"
Edwin Morgan.

I actually like Salmond's optimism and really hope he is right about this 'Homecoming' event. He's naive though if he doesn't realise that the financial situation will cut the numbers of potential visitors. Still, never mind, he's got Shir Shean on his shide!
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JG,

Fife 30/12/2008 14:11:06
#264 Jerry
"Quite astonishing. Brown is, of course, mentally ill so I suppose that we can excuse him - if not the party that allowed him to assume power, unelected. But Darling and Alexander aren't idiots and they stood back and allowed all this to happen."

NO!! NO!! NO!! Stop this tripe now! I couldn't care less what party people vote for - I don't like/trust any of them - but our political system doesn't have a public vote to "elect" a leader. Never has! We're not America (thankfully!). I don't know if you're a Tory, Jerry (frankly, I don't care!) but I didn't see THEM rush to the polls when they got Mrs. T papped!
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Hugh Roscombe,

30/12/2008 14:15:10
Rufus the calvanist

"#231 Churchill, you neglected to mention that the MP in question is also married"

Shock horror! Married man plays around.
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Hugh Roscombe,

30/12/2008 14:16:48
sm753

"245 Too slow, loser."

He he he.
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Dubai 30/12/2008 14:35:37
264 Jerry Cornelius ,wonderful post hope you get your wish , bad news is we don't want them back ,perhaps they could go to Iraq which apparently after their timely intervention is a great place.
On reflection I am thinking that Zimbabwe is probably the best place for them more suited to their talents and modus operandi in politics
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Hugh Roscombe,

30/12/2008 14:38:28
"The numbers killed by Israel are small compared to most conflicts in Africa every day."

Doesn't make it right though - just as it's not right for Hamas to fire rockets into Israel - or for Israel to blockade Gaza - or for Somalia to hijack ships - or for fishing nations to plunder the fish in Somali waters - or for Russia to be over-exuberant in the "war" with Georgia - or for Georgia to attack South Ossetia - or the attack in Mumbai etc etc.

What a truly cra­ppy year.
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30/12/2008 15:08:03
Deception is the number one tool used against those Islam is at war with, and Islam is at war with anyone who isn’t of the faith.
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Hugh Roscombe,

30/12/2008 15:19:33
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It isn't Islam that's at war Warden - it's fundamentalist Islam.
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Rodster,

Dubai 30/12/2008 15:19:55
273 warden Deception??
WMD deception or not?
Mcrone , deception or not?
Unionist poloitics in Scotland and Ulster for last 300 years , deception or not??
Not just the Islamists that use deception n'est pas?
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Hugh Roscombe,

30/12/2008 15:21:11
Alasdair

I simply feel sorry for civilians caught up in this. Hamas has reaped the whirlwind.

This is getting a bit depressing. Later.
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Hugh Roscombe,

30/12/2008 15:22:10
275 ... addendum

In the same way we can't say that the Iraq war was a Christian war ... or can we? ...
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TWC,

30/12/2008 15:43:31
264 Jerry Cornelius good post, although some of us only want Fiscal Independence which means we would be leaving Darling, Alexander and brown with you if possible.
About Brown's delusion I think it is worse than that I think the whole Labour party are Mad.

I fear the unionist Troll poster may well bring about the independence you seek for Scotland and England and I agree that would be bettter than the status quo, even if if not Ideal
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TWC,

30/12/2008 16:01:03
The crazy crew have taken the £ to $1.44265 and €1.02010 - The Cameron is right about Brown's actions.

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Hugh Roscombe,

30/12/2008 16:12:58
"Hugh their is no fundamentalist Islam. Just Islam"

So far my doctor hasn't called me an infidel. Does this mean he's only pretending to follow Islam?
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Observer..,

Glasgow 30/12/2008 16:27:19
I see I've been deleted, and so has ptdoug. Is pointing out that killing innocent civilians offensive then ? Must be to someone.

They were queueing up in the town at the Friends of Palestine stall I am pleased to say, it was busier than the shops.

If Islam is an aggressive religion then how come no muslim I have ever met has tried to convert me or anyone else I know. I have to say I think the theory is mince, it isn't borne out by reality.
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Glasgow 30/12/2008 16:30:59
I was at a very nice wedding at the Central Mosque, I obviously didn't wear a mini skirt and sat with the women, but I didn't detect any great difference from any other wedding. Muslims are not a seperate race and it is not them who are the aggressors in this case. Hamas does not represent a whole religion, it is a distortion of it.
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Churchill W.,

30/12/2008 16:41:27
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Are you not a bit old to be wearing mini-skirts anyway? Anyone who is old enough to be deleted here shouldn't be wearing a mini-skirt, the thought of it gets the old guys blood pressure up.
Please stick to the point, Rabbie Burns, shortbread tins, rich tourists and the infamous necromancer, Salmond.
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288 You are right Churchill I disposed of them when I turned forty, and a little black dress has the same effect, although not adviseable apparel in a mosque. I will trust the ''necromancer'' to lure in the tourists, being a charismatic chap he will be good at it. I was just annoyed at getting deleted for no reason that I can fathom.
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TWC,

30/12/2008 16:49:50
288 Churchill W.,
Sad bile from a Labour poodle -- Scots are positive go getters except Lemon Sooking, dour, Greetin faced Labour MPs, msps and workers who have nothing positive to offer.
We remain positive in spite of the £ at €1.02165 thanks tae that madman Brown.
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Glasgow 30/12/2008 16:53:09
291 Perhaps he thinks Salmond can summon up the spirit of Burns. Neat trick if you can do it.
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Reiver,

Galashiels 30/12/2008 16:53:11
#82 well said ...

#12 ... your comment "This annoying ploy of accusing the First Minister of ignoring world affairs to concentrate on parochial matters, then reversing the the accusation when the next Scottish story comes along, is getting very tiresome." would be correct if it was not so factual, the wee porkie pie man wastes his time on false promises and picking fights over nonsense issues ... it would be a joy to all if he just did the job he was elected to do - but no, he continues the snp one issue debate within their own little world ... roll on the next election when the voting system is working and they don't get in as a minority executive by default.
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bully wee alba,

Edinburgh 30/12/2008 16:57:44
#297

Not only is the First Minister still on top of his game, but his popularity continues to grow with the electorate.
The combined poll of polls in 2008 for the Holyrood constituency vote is as follows:

Party: % - 2007 (Change)
SNP: 40.0% - 32.9% (+7.1%)
Labour: 30.6% - 32.2% (-1.6%)
Tory: 13.1% - 16.6% (-3.5%)
LibDem: 12.9% - 16.2% (-3.3%)
Other: 3.6% - 2.10% (1.5%)

How is that Brown character getting on in Westminster by the way?
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Hugh Roscombe,

30/12/2008 16:58:21
300 - ish
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Churchill W.,

30/12/2008 16:59:33
Sir Vivian Fuchs off to the Antartic again # 291

"Necromancers addressed the dead in "a mixture of high-pitch squeaking and low droning.""
Well, does that sound like Salmond, or not?
The quote is courtesy of Wikipedia.

If Salmond can conjure up Robert Burns to save us next year, can we then get rid of Salmond? They can't both save us.
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Reiver,

Galashiels 30/12/2008 17:00:25
#285 you're wrong on the conversion aspect, maybe it was those little black numbers you like to wear that scared them off ... i have some lebanese friends from university who were very keen to preach the word of allah, but they were less keen than the chinese christians in my post graduate course ... i think the issue is religion, not which religion.

At any rate, a State has the right to defend itself from an aggressor, it is irrelevant if the wee guy with a chip on his shoulder picks a fight with a big guy - however stupid he might be ... let's not forget that these 'innocent' civilians voted Hamas into power to take whatever action they deemed proper.
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Hugh Roscombe,

30/12/2008 17:00:33
Is this the Burns unit?
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Churchill W.,

30/12/2008 17:02:07
Aberdeenshire Scot # 293

Salmond has got a huge dome, they problem is it is pretty vacant as his pronouncements indicate.
Shortbread anyone?
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Hugh Roscombe,

30/12/2008 17:03:44
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What is all this about shortbread? Don't unionists like shortbread?
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Hugh Roscombe,

30/12/2008 17:04:20
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If you were posting from Gaza, would you change your moniker to Mosquehill?
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Churchill W.,

30/12/2008 17:06:39
Observer.., # 292

A little black number sounds about right...

I can see Salmond at Glasgow airport, standing on a large shortbread tin wearing a large top hat and coat, greeting the tourists as they exited immigration.
I would leave the country just to come back and see that too. Any idea when he starts?
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Reiver,

Galashiels 30/12/2008 17:08:07
#301 his only game is picking nonsensical fights he can't lose or win ... like the big fat bully from the schoolyard - if that is being at the top of his game, he is in the wrong job.

I've no idea on Gordon Brown - I support small government, low taxes and personal responsibility and duty to the society we work in ... this is not about maximising public services and stealing through extortion from the public and redistributing wealth ... therefore, the man is a mystery to me ... even more so now that he is in cahoots with the master of disaster Peter Mand. - I can see them giving the rest of our sovereignty to Europe without a vote in Britain by this 'free' nation that has saved Europe from the disasters of war in the 1914-1918 and 1939-1945 conflicts.
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bully wee alba,

Edinburgh 30/12/2008 17:09:45
#304
See post #301 and weep.
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Hugh Roscombe,

30/12/2008 17:12:05
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You missed out at the end...with a little help from America and the USSR.
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bully wee alba,

Edinburgh 30/12/2008 17:13:05
#313

So you are the Scottish Tory then!

I read about you people in Primary School.

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Reiver,

Galashiels 30/12/2008 17:15:03
#317 fair point ... I guess I was wondering how we would be placed to take a position on infringing our sovereignty when our politicians simply give it up rather than engaging in a history lesson.
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Churchill W.,

30/12/2008 17:15:10
TWC # 294

How is the level of the pound hurting you, do you live outside the UK on a fixed income, do you import raw materials priced in Euros? The lower pound should encourage Euro holders to the UK, even Scotland as goods and services here should be relatively less expensive now to them than before.
Swings and roundabouts. I notice Salmond didn't mention the level of the pound for this anticipated goldrush, that Robert Burns' legacy is responsible though. That is because Salmond is a hypocrite and a sleight of hand fakir. People with Euros will come to the UK because it is cheaper to do so, economics, not Robert Burns.
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Reiver,

Galashiels 30/12/2008 17:16:22
#318 I'm British and looking forward to the vote to send the scunners home to their natz nests.
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Hugh Roscombe,

30/12/2008 17:20:36
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"Natz nests"? WTF?
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Reiver,

Galashiels 30/12/2008 17:23:21
#319 your comment "Pity we seem to have destroyed Iraq and dragged its civilian population into a mire of death, disease, collapsing infrastructure and violent chaos." is wrong.

Iraq has been freed from a mass murderer ... it was/is being destabilised by Iran and other Arab countries such as Syria ... the support and work done by the allied forces to assist the people of Iraq through a turbulent time has been difficult but in my view worth it for a more stable part of a very unstable region.

I am not sure where you get your facts from, or is it just opinion - what diseases were you referring to ?

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Churchill W.,

30/12/2008 17:25:39
Hugh Roscombe # 309

I couldn't post from Gaza, the electricity is off.
Thanks, I will now register "Mosquehill" with The Scotsman just in case I get banned.
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Reiver,

Galashiels 30/12/2008 17:26:05
#324 ... hey you can raise criticism of points but don't have the brains to make any ... such a pity ... why don't you run along little one.
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Hugh Roscombe,

30/12/2008 17:29:57
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Are you Highland Mighty?
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Churchill W.,

30/12/2008 17:31:24
Aberdeenshire Scot # 325

He would have to have engineered the "credit crunch" too, we needed the US for that, that and a few Scottish bankers, friends of Salmond's.
We are where we are, how is Salmond going to drag Scotland out of the mire? Bit more tax for the workers, a bit less for the bosses, or, by conjuring up Robert Burns?
Time to join the Euro I think, what do the tartan Tories think?
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Reiver,

Galashiels 30/12/2008 17:32:19
#324 by my comments at #328 I refer to some of the previous comments you've made ... including the following on an older article:

"19 Hugh Roscombe,02/12/2008 16:23:38
seanie,

"Maybe you should check what 'pejorative' means whilst your looking at definitions."

Whilst "you're" looking at definitions surely.

20 Hugh Roscombe,02/12/2008 16:24:28
"He who chooses to correct a post may have his post corrected"

21 Hugh Roscombe,02/12/2008 16:25:05
ps fred - it's grammar not grammer.

I am here to annoy."

All your words ... not much has changed then ... maybe you should change your handle to PLONKER !!!
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Reiver,

Galashiels 30/12/2008 17:33:53
#328 nope ... only use this name, so much for the great linguistics machine and the brain of #330.
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Hugh Roscombe,

30/12/2008 17:36:29
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Are your piles annoying you today? You seem to be a tad on edge.

(Imagine keeping copies of old posts - what a tool).
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bully wee alba,

Edinburgh 30/12/2008 17:37:07
#322
The Bard himself had a few words had a few words to say regarding the Gala Tories.

“It ne'er was wealth, it ne'er was wealth,
That coft contentment, peace, or pleasure;
The bands and bliss o' mutual love,
O that's the chiefest warld's treasure.”

Ask a passing Scotsman to translate if you have any difficulty in understanding.
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Galashiels 30/12/2008 17:37:24
#329 ... I hadn't read about the cholera, but lets face it, the infrastructure was not really there outside small areas of Iraq before the conflict and it is likely that it will be improved following the conflict ... sounds like a winner to me.

I don't support labour (new or old) ... or lib dem or the natz or any mainstream party ... i support minimal government, etc ... see post above for details.
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Reiver,

Galashiels 30/12/2008 17:39:25
#336 who would keep old posts, i simply sourced articles you'd commented on through google ... or didn't you know that is possible - yeah i know, minimum education, miracle you learned how to read, write and use a pc ... praise the lord my friend, he obviously took pity on you.
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Ross-shire 30/12/2008 17:39:27
In London toon did Mandelson
A glitzy pleasure-dome decree
While sacred money over-ran
The Northern Rock of UKstan
Beside the Sea
I could write more
From province of Tesco's superstore ..

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Hugh Roscombe,

30/12/2008 17:42:11
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Glad I've managed to annoy you.
Big hugs

xxx

(ps - I've had a wee look at your previous ramblings ya Tory)
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Galashiels 30/12/2008 17:42:33
#336 ah ... i see the Aberdeenshire Scot is in the same boat as you ... :-) ... limited education at any rate ...

#341 ... a better infrastructure and reporting of the incidence of cholera is what i meant, but i guess it probably wasn't obvious to another type of spin doctor, or are you someone who would benefit from having half a brain ...
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Hugh Roscombe,

30/12/2008 17:43:16
Reiver

Here's a brammer you posted.

"Vote Tory, small Government, lower taxes, more social responsibility and less of the liberal namby pamby brigade!"
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Reiver,

Galashiels 30/12/2008 17:44:24
#345 ... amused rather than annoyed ... sorry to disappoint but i'm not into man love shuggie ...
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Reiver,

Galashiels 30/12/2008 17:46:59
#345 ... ps ... glad to see you're coming out in the anally retentive mode ...

yes, i'd say vote tory every time ... but i prefer politicians that are not bound to a party machine because it compromises their voting ability when representing the people of their district ... the people they work for. however, in our society one needs to be pragmatic if you wish to progress.
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Churchill W.,

30/12/2008 17:48:26
janeshore # 334

I don't think the cyber-nationalists care one way, or, the other. They see non-Scots spending money in Scotland as a necessary evil. But, you are right they are not typical of Scottish people who are generous spirited and civil.
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Reiver,

Galashiels 30/12/2008 17:49:25
#350 why not ask shuggie for directions on how to use google ... he seems to be way ahead in the learning stakes ... don't worry, i'm sure your teachers are to blame ... then you can read all of the thread and see the comment in context ...
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TWC,

30/12/2008 17:53:26
321 Churchill W.,
You really are thick. First of all Salmond has nothing to do with me(although I may vote for him rather than Labour)
We import most of what we need today, when the current stock are given away at 75% discount we'll need to import more at 130% of the previous price.
The prices will need to rise, that is if retailers can afford the cost price, so instead of the expected deflation we may have inflation.
This debt is going to grow as the recession bites and further Good borrowing goes bad.
Plus when PFI etc goes on balance sheet Debt will show a huge leap and everyone knows Debt is a big factor in currency confidence.
I am on a fixed income however and inflation will affect that.
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Hugh Roscombe,

30/12/2008 17:54:17
Reiver

A quick trawl through your posts shows that when you lose the plot you resort to calling people idiots and asking if they went to school. Poor show.
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Hugh Roscombe,

30/12/2008 17:55:11
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"How odd. Is he saying the Tories are not mainstream, or is just just a spinning bloviator?"

In Scotland the Tories are hardly mainstream.
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Galashiels 30/12/2008 17:56:00
#352 nope no comment, my education is good ... schooled in scotland then added to it part time over 15 years undergrad and post grad. ... so as i've not read the article and much as it irks, i need to accept your word on it ... did it mention how many died at the hands of Saddam and what proof is there that Al.Q. were not in Iraq - or that they were in there later and not just some subterfuge being implemented by Iran. You seem quite niaive on this mate ... but you're entitled to your opinion, mine is that we should have gone on into Iran and the trouble in Iraq would have disappated quicker because the so called terrorists in Iraq would have lost their chain of supply.

Anyway lads, nice chatting, need to go pick up my daughter from work ... at least your thinking and can take a little leg pulling ... night.
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Galashiels 30/12/2008 17:57:43
ah your new comments come up ... hehe ... silly lads ... i'll need to leave for now - will return though.
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30/12/2008 18:02:21
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"You amaze me ... I did not think you could read at all - as you never seem to have a sensible comment to make"

"glad to see you are not just another small minded, neurotic, chip on the shoulder nationalist - because they are the real tragedy ... gosh, don't tell me thats exactly what you are ... yes, I pity your small mind."

(The 2nd one was when you posted as Reiver,Edinburgh. It was in 2006)
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Hugh Roscombe,

30/12/2008 18:05:57
... another comment from Reiver. (2006)

"I think straight (am educated, rich and handsome - and yes, I do realise that you are just petty and jealous!) ... if your definition of a clown is anyone who doesn't share your view then that would make everybody else on the planet clowns ... !?"

He's a star.
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30/12/2008 18:17:15
It is really good that Robert Burns is being celebrated in Scotland for the Year of Homecoming and we all hope thousands of people come back from all over the world to witness a part of Britain that is quite spectacular from Edinburgh to the Highlands and Islands area.

Naturally there will be many times when Britain can be promoted as well especially with regard to litrature and the great contribution that Scotland made to English Litrature at all levels throughout the ages.

It really is no small matter to say how grateful we all are that the Aberdeen based daily newspaper is now deeply involved in ensuring that English, our native language is at the centre of all things Scottish.
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"with regard to litrature"

What's litrature?
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Nevsky,,

Moscow 30/12/2008 18:26:01
351 Truely#

Perhaps you could point out the Scottish writers that have contributed to the canon of 'English' literature?

You would find (if you had any knowledge whatsoever of what you were talking about) that Scottish Literature is not considered part of the canon of English Literature.

Not sure many in England can quote the Scots makars or who would even know who they were!
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Reiver,

Galashiels 30/12/2008 18:27:15
#350 you are sweet ... good to see you're reading my writings ... i'm sure we can all look at comments individually, but I am sure that those with a brain will read the full context of anything ... they might also want to ensure that what is attributed to someone is actually from them and not someone else - at any rate dude, like i said, i don't do man love ... so i am sorry, but you'll have to stick with the aberdonian dude ...

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Reiver,

Galashiels 30/12/2008 18:29:13
#354 why don't you enlighten the thread on who they are/were ... no, the lady who wrote Harry Potter doesn't count.
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Medusa Ritchie,

30/12/2008 18:32:53
Is everybody here an expert on absolutely everything?
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Reiver,

Galashiels 30/12/2008 18:34:15
#358 maybe you can educate me at 355 i don't believe i called anyone anything, other than a little humour can you enlighten us?

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Reiver,

Galashiels 30/12/2008 18:35:13
#359 mostly nothing ... just silly opinions and some time to kill on a cold winter's day.
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Nevsky,,

Moscow 30/12/2008 18:36:08
357 Reiver#

What would you like to know?

Glad that Harry Potter is more up your street..no great suprise judging by the level of erudition in your posts!

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Medusa Ritchie,

30/12/2008 18:38:10
The quote button doesn't work.
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Medusa Ritchie,

30/12/2008 18:39:16
The Harry Potter books at least got kids away from the TV and into reading.
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Reiver,

Galashiels 30/12/2008 18:40:11
#362 I thought it a fairly straight forward question, albeit a little cheeky ... on your comment "Not sure many in England can quote the Scots makars or who would even know who they were!" ... you seem to imply that you do and as I can only ever strive to your level of self-import I was hoping you could enlighten the thread to them.

I prefer Tom Clancy and Robert Ludlum ... good writers, good plots and the bad guys get it in the end ...
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Observer..,

Glasgow 30/12/2008 18:46:58
322 You are talking mince. the infrastructure was there, (I have a friend who built some of it, a civic planner, knows what he is talking about) deaths from cholera in Iraq are directly attributable to the invasion.

Why are unionists such warmongers, does anyone know ?
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Yok Finney,

Ross-shire 30/12/2008 18:48:43
-- and the bad guys get it in the end ...

That's why they sell so much of their total fiction and bull$hit.
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Medusa Ritchie,

30/12/2008 18:49:10
Reiver 365

I prefer Dennis Lehane, Robert B. Parker & Michael Connelly to name but three.
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Observer..,

Glasgow 30/12/2008 18:49:19
Reiver so the Scottish enlightenment passed you by then, oh dear.
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Nevsky,,

Moscow 30/12/2008 18:51:45
365 Reiver#

Tom Clancy and Robert Ludlum lol! Right up to date with modern literature as well as with your History of Scottish Literature then lol.


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Medusa Ritchie,

30/12/2008 18:51:55
Mystic River, Shutter Island & Gone baby Gone (Lehane).

Great reads and the bad guys don't always get it in the end.
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Nevsky,,

Moscow 30/12/2008 18:57:36
You now i do despair at the unionists. Once upon a time they used to be lanowners, oxbridge types and Majors who retired to own a pice of land and shoot a bit of grouse but at leat they were all to some extent educated.

Today it seems unionism in Scotland is the sole preserve of despicable central belt careerists, Rufus type sycophants, an ulster unionist used car salesmen from Kilmarnock and Tom Clancy readers...a sorry bunch it has to be said!
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Nevsky,,

Moscow 30/12/2008 18:58:59
Anyway a Happy New Year to one and all!
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bully wee alba,

Edinburgh 30/12/2008 19:05:44
#365
A somewhat prescient wee muse by one of the Scottish makers

“In Dunfermline he has tane Broun
With Maister Robert Henrysoun;
Sir John the Ross enbrast has he:—
Timor Mortis conturbat me”.

Beat that if you can.
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Reiver,

Galashiels 30/12/2008 19:08:48
#370 well i thought i was commenting on someone's reference to harry potter, but hey i can see why there might be some leeway to not answer the initial question Nevsky, et. al., ... incidentally, what makes you think i need to work for a living?
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Reiver,

Galashiels 30/12/2008 19:10:18
#374 no i think you win on that point ...

#373 and to you and yours ...
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Hugh Roscombe,

30/12/2008 19:10:52
Reiver

Back refreshed. In the spirit of Christmas and the coming New Year I'd like to say my posts directed at you were on the childish side. Then again so were yours.
Happy New Year when it comes.
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Reiver,

Galashiels 30/12/2008 19:13:13
#369 it was a bit before my time, so preceeded me, rather than passed me by, seems like you're really showing your age though.
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Reiver,

Galashiels 30/12/2008 19:16:56
#377 Shuggie ... nice to see you're not churlish ... and to you and yours ...

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Reiver,

Galashiels 30/12/2008 19:19:20
#366 some of it yes, no doubt the key cities had some, but in the main living area's for the poor this wasn't and isn't the case ... i can't be sure, but i'd guess that these are the area's that are suffering ...
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Observer..,

Glasgow 30/12/2008 19:34:46
Baghdad's water systems were at the world's best standards when constructed. They supplied 4.5 million people from their headworks at Rasafa and Kark, mainly of french design. They have been destroyed largely through sanctions and war. Iraq was a sophisticated country before sanctions and war decimated it, people forget that. I repeat, it's water systems were amongst the best in the world.
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Hugh Roscombe,

30/12/2008 19:35:39
"Who's been deleted? The numbers are all off."

Not me. Check post 268 though for a clue ....
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Hugh Roscombe,

30/12/2008 19:39:10
Apparently post 383 was 400, so I claim it.
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Truely English,

30/12/2008 19:55:53
The Scots are just as English as the English, the only difference being that they are British as well to help them feel good about themselves.
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Truely English,

30/12/2008 20:28:08
393
The Scots made the British Empire work and helped themselves to lots of money at the same time.

What a great treat it is to hear that a daily newspaper in Scotland which I understand is Aberdeen based now strongly supports and seems to be campaigning for English, which is our native language, to be recognised as Scotlands native language. Bravo.
Could we ask for more?
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Yok Finney,

Ross-shire 30/12/2008 20:36:49
Galashiels à Gogo. It needs Greg Hallett not Tom Clancy to go beyond the borderline and expose the utter depravity of Liberals, Tories, their kinky clubs and sex, + the Common Ridings. It's full of sheep like New Zealand and not at all as boring and worthy as y'd think.

www.greghallett.com/

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Hugh Roscombe,

30/12/2008 21:05:00
Troll of the year

Truely English.
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Hugh Roscombe,

30/12/2008 21:05:32
Cleverest poster of the year - Union is best.
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Hugh Roscombe,

30/12/2008 21:05:51
Getting 400 of the year .....
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Hugh Roscombe,

30/12/2008 21:05:52
Getting 400 of the year .....
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Hugh Roscombe,

30/12/2008 21:06:25
Rear of the year - AYRSHIRE SCOT!
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Hugh Roscombe,

30/12/2008 21:08:49
Currency of the year

tinyurl.com/8obwqr

Thanks Broon.
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Hugh Roscombe,

30/12/2008 21:09:33
Too many posts without interruption of the year:-

I'll get my coat. G'night all.
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Hugh Roscombe,

30/12/2008 21:12:07
First post on tomorrow's paper

http://thescotsman.scotsman.com/business/North-Sea-oil-firms-39can.4833371.jp?CommentPage=1&CommentPageLength=1000#3584577
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Shamus,

Glasgow 30/12/2008 21:48:34
405# Ob whit aboot me ah want tae be the Bigot of the year. Ye cannae leave me oot yah bunch of SNP commie, pape, pinko fag, islamic, proddie dog, zionist wasters.
Forgot tae mention the Irish. That Wan Kerr must get an Award for being the Wan Kerr of the year. Keep it up Wan Kerr!
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Truely English,

30/12/2008 21:57:05
For centuries the English language and culture has given meaning to the Scots as they have neither a language nor a culture of their own.
Is this not the reason why they have always wanted to be British and also have a share of the spoils of Empire?
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Shamus,

Glasgow 30/12/2008 22:29:27
Breaking News: EU Special Minister for ripping off the taxpayer, Brigitte O'Donnell Irish Christian Mafia Party says Scotland should just be a town. Scotland is just wasting precious resources that could be better spent on the Irish. The Tories in England said it was something they had been considering and that Bridy was stealing their idea. From Private Eye.
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Shamus,

Glasgow 30/12/2008 22:33:51
410# You SNP Facsists have not got that power yet. I want it to be a democratic vote.
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Shamus,

Glasgow 30/12/2008 22:49:05
Breaking News: Some Church of England priests say they will join the Catholic Church if women are ordained as Bishops. Could this be that they are feart that women are not daft and good at sussing oot pervs. Allegedly.
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Observer..,

Glasgow 30/12/2008 23:21:22
Oh look I've been deleted at 105. What's up Rufus shape-shifting perverter of the truth ? Did you not like my comment ?

Catch you later.
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Observer..,

Glasgow 30/12/2008 23:24:15
405 even
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Conan the Librarian™,

30/12/2008 23:25:48
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I'm honoured.

Do I have to make a speech?

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Evening Shamus.

Are you married?
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Warden An' All, Reborn,

30/12/2008 23:29:38
258-Hugh Roscombe-It’s a common misconception I know, but it isn’t fundamentalist Islam its radical Islam. Fundamentalist means devout, so all good Muslims would call themselves fundamentalist.
The concept of war I was talking about was Islam’s belief that the whole world should be Islamic, and every good Muslim should fight to bring this about.
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Observer..,

Glasgow 30/12/2008 23:37:56
418 that is a myth which is not borne out by experience. You can read all sorts of wacky things into the Koran, just as you can with the Bible. It's quite dangerous to demonise people who were born here you know, there are a lot of Scottish muslims and they are not trying to convert anyone.
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Warden An' All, Reborn,

30/12/2008 23:38:23
259-Rodster-The thing about deception is you are never totally sure that when you peel away one layer you are not witnessing another.
When people know you blame them for events happening to their people, it becomes much more easy to deceive them by bluffing them into thinking they are being stopped from completing a task.
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Observer..,

Glasgow 30/12/2008 23:39:48
I don't get this idea that the muslims want to take over the world. When you look at the experience of the Iraqis and the Palestinians it seems the other way around. What are you basing this theory on Warden. The Moors ?
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Shamus,

Glasgow 30/12/2008 23:54:55
Lets all have an agreement that we will not complain and get posts removed. Being BRITISH is saying anything you want to say without fear of the bogeyman coming tae yer door.
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Warden An' All, Reborn,

30/12/2008 23:55:37
419-Observer..-You misinterpret my intentions. The use of deception is far too often used in a negative context. Say you were using deception to combat some evil, would your deception automatically be evil too? No it wouldn’t.
You could be right that not all people are trying to convert other, but I might be right in thinking your interpretation of the concept of conversion is a little narrow. Sometimes our very lives being shown to the world as being something to be idolised is enough to start the process of conversion.
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oder,

Scotland 30/12/2008 23:59:53
409 Truely English,

"for centuries the English language and culture has given meaning to the Scots as they have neither a language nor a culture of their own."

it took the English 300 years to defeat a nation ten time`s smaller than England, high price to pay to save the Scots from themselves

"Oh wad the powr the giftie gie us tae see oorsels as itheir`s see us"
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Observer..,

Glasgow 31/12/2008 00:00:38
Word soup Warden I have no idea what you mean. As far as I can see it the current global conflicts are entirely political. It might seem easier for the West to dress it up as Islam but that's not what's behind it at all. But it's an easy get out clause, isn't it.
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Observer..,

Glasgow 31/12/2008 00:02:48
422 I've had more posts deleted than you ! Quite an achievement. I don't complain about posts unless I think they can damage an individual.
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Conan the Librarian™,

31/12/2008 00:05:02
424

Defeat? It's only half time.
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Shamus,

Glasgow 31/12/2008 00:08:43
417# Yes second time roon. Few weans and grandweans. Gettin on a bit as well. Like ma bevvy and a laugh. Do not tolerate any attempt by religious nutters to interfere in ma life. Vote Labour. British. God Save the Queen. Have no time for idle lefties, students and the SNP. Do like people that work hard for a living. I want to be Bigot of the year by popular demand. Will you vote for me!
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Warden An' All, Reborn,

31/12/2008 00:20:15
421-Observer..-What makes you think Muslims want to take over the world, I didn’t say that. They do believe it is God’s will that the people of the world should one day be all followers of Islam. People interpret this in which ever way they want.
When none Muslim fighters fight on Islamic soil it is seen by some as a desecration, and many Islamic fighters rally to fight against those who desecrate. Once soil becomes Islamic it is always considered to be Islamic from that time on. The state of Israel that we know now was founded on such soil.
The Moors were some of the most magnificent pioneers this planet has seen, with many things we take for granted created by, or brought to Europe by their far sighted governance.
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Conan the Librarian™,

31/12/2008 00:30:53
428
Shamus
Almost agree with you.
But I'm a Republican; I don't want three brain-celled Hoorays to magically get Degrees, then Commissions and pretend to be veterans, dishonouring the medals won by real ones.

I've got four grandbairns, with one on the way; do I beat you?
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Warden An' All, Reborn,

31/12/2008 00:41:58
424-oder-The English language in its scots form has been useful that’s true, to some extent. But what we now consider to be the Scottish enlightenment, didn’t just enrich scotland, or Britain, but the world with Scottish culture. The world takes for granted many things, such as the concept of the modern society, and yet one of many Scottish developments. It’s just a shame we haven’t that spark of enlightenment now, if we did independence would be worth trying for.
You are also wrong when you say scotland was defeated, it never was completely. England’s crown was taken by a Scottish king.
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oder,

Scotland 31/12/2008 00:48:35
427 Conan the Librarian

"subdue" is more appropriate however in dealing with superiors it is always better to let them think that their mission was achieved through toil and hardship!
lets them feel good about themselves.
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Shamus,

Glasgow 31/12/2008 00:52:02
432# You are a wean a head of me well done.Vote Labour.
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Warden An' All, Reborn,

31/12/2008 00:52:27
425-Observer..-Have you never heard the expression that everything is politics?
The west likes to dress conflict as Islam for two reasons. One, it likes to create an enemy to fight, and two, after it creates it becomes fact.
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Warden An' All, Reborn,

31/12/2008 01:02:02
429-Alasdair mac Alasdair Mór Mac an Righ-The problem for you is that you are finding what you are setting out to look for. Reality is not that simple. If you focus only on one spot don’t be surprises by the revelation that all you see is that one spot.
Try looking out for good aspects too, this will highlight the bad ones and bring them into context.
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Conan the Librarian™,

31/12/2008 01:03:18
436
My daughter-in-law really hates Labour.

Ruined her figure, apparently.
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Shamus,

Glasgow 31/12/2008 01:04:15
433# I am the word of god. Henceforth I want you to go forth and multiply. And then fight with each other, kill each other then multiply and keep killing each other. Buy season tickets for Celtic and Rangers and the Celtic reserve team St Mirren and Hamilton Accies, keep killing each other. Then be pals for a while and go and kill some other mob. This is my command. Shamus, Chapter something or other verse 28 OR 29. AND IT CAME TAE PASS I WIS RIGHT EFTER AW.
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Warden An' All, Reborn,

31/12/2008 01:11:17
431-Alasdair mac Alasdair Mór Mac an Righ-Don’t talk rubbish, Islam is considered a religion.
Myself I call them no better than faiths.
You are way off base, there are many people who consider the Bible as the actual word of God, with almost all a number of hundreds of years ago.
Christians do not view all as equal, if this were true there would only be one Christian faith.
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Shamus,

GLASGOW 31/12/2008 01:14:37
439# Tell her that Soviet Wummin in Staligrad survived because of the excess fat!!
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Shamus,

Glasgow 31/12/2008 01:18:39
44 wan. You are obviously not with the programme. I am god. Talk tae me. This is my command. Dae it noo or else.
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Conan the Librarian™,

31/12/2008 01:28:15
Surely you mean the seige of Leningrad Shamus?

I'm going to report you to your politruk.

Is it George or Peter?
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Warden An' All, Reborn,

31/12/2008 02:38:28
443-Shamus-I have already had a talk with me,message received loud and clear - Listen to no one who needs to use the word command when the answer should come from within.
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Conan the Librarian™,

31/12/2008 02:51:26
445
You obviously never used DOS.
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Warden An' All, Reborn,

31/12/2008 03:09:10
446-Conan the Librarian™-Sorry I think I’ve slipped a disk laughing and am finding it hard to operate at this time. Need to tek some down time to power up. Will be fully operational later.
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JoeMiddleton,

Edinburgh 31/12/2008 04:28:13
The sad Brit whingers merely demonstrate that Salmond is the better man and that the patriotic spirit of Burns lives on in the SNP.
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Observer..,

Glasgow 31/12/2008 11:52:38
Alasdair, I'm not a christian, I'm an atheist. I don't believe in any God, but I have never found any evidence to support the idea that Islam is any more dangerous than any other religion. But it is being demonised and blamed for all the world's conflicts, and Warden is right, label people as demons and they sometimes end up acting like that. A self-fulfilling prophecy - not a good idea.
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Shamus,

Glasgow 31/12/2008 13:19:50
449# Stop kiddin Ob yer a Wee Free. Padlocks oan the weans swings oan a Sunday an aw that.
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oder,

Scotland 31/12/2008 15:05:16
449 Observer

I take it you are an atheist because you have a least studied the Bible and have reached the conclusion that there is nothing in it to satisfy any religious meaning for you! what is the source of your understanding of Islam? do you or have you read the Koran the immutable word of God that all Muslim cannot question or deny! (including the killing verses)atheists are killed in Islam they are not tolerated only Jews and Christian provided they pay the tax and acknowledge the superiority of Islam will be allowed to live, Hindu`s and all the other faiths and mischief makers are to be killed by order of the Prophet, its in the Koran! this is one majour difference to all other faiths

you said

Alasdair, I'm not a christian, I'm an atheist. I don't believe in any God, but I have never found any evidence to support the idea that Islam is any more dangerous than any other religion.

where would you look for such evidence?

here a little point that maybe you would like to investigate there is a country in Africa called the Sudan that for the last 40 years the Muslim government in Khartoum has attempted to convert to Islam resulting in the Christian south being decimated they where allowed the right to choose, if they choose Christianity they die, you have two very good reason to be wary of Islam first your a woman with no real value as a human being!
Secondly you are atheist that`s a death sentence, best you stick with the Christian/secular lot you have a better chance at survival.
do go and investigate it properly before claiming its no different to any other religion to many atheists make that claim! all it does is expose them for there lack of understanding and short sightedness.
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bluehead,

edinburgh 01/01/2009 13:01:49
jings!...micty me!...help ma boab!...alex has conscripted rabbie to sort all of our problems,all of us wee sleekit cowerin timorous beasties should be grate full that alex has found the answer to all of our woes,I am afraid auld Alex is as big a nutter as the rest of the politicians that are determined to destroy this country,what a bunch of chancers,!!
it is a wonder there are any sane people left in this country after listening to the pile of political trash that stinks out the tv and newspapers everyday
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Eve,

Scotland 02/01/2009 16:06:10
Well, Here's to home coming and too the future of Scotland.

The only problem being now is am going to have to on a wee hoilday to feel the full effect of the celabration. Since it's all about home. It's a small price to pay, really cause I'm acauly due a hoilday.

 

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