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Published Date: 23 January 2009
MOTORISTS have called on bosses at a city retail park to scrap a state-of-the-art parking system which is handing out £110 fines by mistake.
Earlier this week the Evening News reported the story of driver Bill Colborne, who was sent a penalty notice for dropping his daughter off to work at Tesco and collecting her six hours later.

Parking enforcers thought the 53-year-old had overstayed the maximum wait of three-and-a-half hours after his car was picked up by automatic number plate recognition cameras, when he had in fact made two separate visits to the store at Hermiston Gait.

Now a number of other motorists have come forward reporting similar experiences. Janet Phillips, of Currie, said she had received a penalty notice after making two visits to Tesco with her husband on December 22. The fine was later rescinded.

She said: "I can understand why the car park has put the restrictions in place, because of the close proximity to the train station. But the system should be scrapped if they're going to continue making so many errors."

Dean Forbes, a 25-year-old joiner, received a penalty notice after visiting Hermiston Gait's Mothercare store and then returning to the centre later on the same day.

He said: "It's scandalous. I'm refusing to pay it because I know I wasn't in the car park for the sort of time they're talking about. The whole system should just be scrapped."

The car park is monitored by automatic number plate recognition cameras, which were brought in to deal with the problem of people parking in the retail park and then using Edinburgh Park train station or the adjacent business park.

The issuing of penalty notices by private firms is understood not to be legally enforceable in Scotland.

Operator Parking Eye today referred enquiries to industry body the British Parking Association.

Patrick Troy, the BPA's chief executive, said: "The British Parking Association fully supports Parking Eye regarding the legitimacy of its business practices.

"As a member of the BPA, Parking Eye will adhere to its code of practice, which outlines the standard procedures of parking enforcement. The BPA is currently reviewing the code to incorporate better practice."

Last year, bosses at B&Q apologised to retired banker David Hamilton after he was issued with a similar fine at Hermiston Gait. The 60-year-old had receipts to prove he had visited the store twice on the same day – once in the morning and once in the evening. B&Q later cancelled the fine.


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1

Alternative (High-Octane) Fuel Head,

Edinburgh 23/01/2009 12:03:20
The solution to this would have been to build more parking spaces at Edinburgh Park Station and at the business park.

If this had been done, people wouldn't be parking in the Hermiston Gait car park because they wouldn't need to.

Here we have another triumph by the anti-car loonies.
2

allknowing,

23/01/2009 12:06:45
"The issuing of penalty notices by private firms is understood not to be legally enforceable in Scotland"

Why are people still paying these tickets?????????

I think I may send a letter to the BPA, highlighting their 'practices' have no legal standing.
3

brandy al,

embra 23/01/2009 12:09:06
Well the cameras certainly work,but at what price.
4

A Weegie,

The Burgh 23/01/2009 12:12:26
#2 People are paying these 'tickets' because they're deliberately made to look like official PCNs. They're not fines, they're usually a notice of intent to take you to court for damages.

Ignore them - they can't enforce them, the landowner has suffered no damages to claim for, and if they can't identify the actual driver, then you're not obliged to identify who was driving the car.

As a inanimate object (a car) can't be taken to court for breach of contract, there's nothing they can do.
5

capy,

embra 23/01/2009 12:14:22
We need a definative answer are they legally enforcable or not?
And more importantly,how does a firm like this get access to a data base with names and addresses.
#1 totally agree,but putting parking beside a station is far too much like common sense,
6

Peter - very disappointed/concerned,

Edinburgh 23/01/2009 12:21:29
Sounds like a good reason for NOT patronising businesses at Hermiston Gait.

No business/trade? They'll soon remove the cameras.
7

Foo,

23/01/2009 12:23:57
The easiest way to settle this would be to allow companies to issue such noticies and put the law firmly behind them.

It's their land, and the cars parked there for hours are using up space that would otherwise be used by paying customers.

Keep in mind that these companies are not there as charities. Would you lot allow a stranger to park on your land for no charge? Doubt it.

Of course tickets issued in error should be cancelled, but the companies seem happy to listen.
8

allknowing,

23/01/2009 12:27:08
All the advice you will EVER need on the matter

http://forums.pepipoo.com/index.php?autocom=ibwiki&cmd=article&id=56
9

noswod,

Honestas 23/01/2009 12:27:28
If these tickets are illegal then the car park operator alledgelly is guilty of an offense to gain percunary advantage ???? Dont pay ! call the polis

Parking and public transport around there is a shambles.

The way to stop people getting a free days parking is to put barriers in place
10

Niko Bellic,

23/01/2009 12:28:19
They could have the farmer there shouting "get orff moi laaarnd" and hitting folks with a pitchfork if they try and drop their daughter off for a day's graft at Tesco's.

But the farmer would do well to sell his produce roadside as Tesco's margins put the squeeze on the farmer, who has to sell 600 marrows per second just to break even. he was so poor in 2008 he had to park his combine harvester at Hermiston Gait and fine himslef £32000 for parking agricultural machinery in a civilian car park.

He then got abducted by UFOs and returned to earth fifteen minutes later with a new beard and an even worse temper.
11

Chris.J,

Edinburgh 23/01/2009 12:38:51
The real underlying issue is more worrying: What the hell are the DVLA doing giving your personal, private details (name and address) to this company?? Their excuse is that these cowboys have an "legitimate reason" and so just dish out these details without checking if the specific circumstances actually warrant this breach of your privacy.

Welcome to the country that New Labour created... And they want us to trust them over ID cards? Aye, right...
12

Iain Bhern,

23/01/2009 12:46:44
#11 Well the DVLA are wrong. These 'fines' are not enforceable or legal in Scotland and so the company has no right to get details from the DVLA. This means that the DVLA in all probability are in breach of the Data Protection Act by passing details on to this company.
13

capy,

EMBRA 23/01/2009 12:47:02
#Chris i wonder if it should be Sold your personal details,if Nu Labour had anything to do with it,their must have been money in it for them.
14

Sister Morag,

Lasswade 23/01/2009 12:50:25
They have these cameras at The Gyle too, which is absolutely ludicrous. What's the point in encouraging people to spend the day shopping and eating in the centre if there's a limit to the amount of time you can park your car for?
15

allknowing,

23/01/2009 12:53:43
#14 what is the limit at the gyle???
16

GJS,

23/01/2009 12:59:32
Where's Gorgie Tony telling us how terrible car drivers are?
17

Rambo The Jambo,

Edinburgh 23/01/2009 13:01:13


# 5 capy,embra

There is already case precedent in the sheriff courts where the court refused similar claims fron a similar firm against someone who received a 'parking fine' under the same circumstances.

18

Edin,

23/01/2009 13:13:25
Ok where is Foo and Elayne!!!! Their big mouths not about today? When you say nice job,nice area to live blah blah blah... You prob mean like Buckstone or Bonnyrigg... And we all know they are not the best. Come on now ..who you both trying to kid.. Shammmeee for you. yeh I am a 23year old graduate with lots of pennies.... dont be jealous old yins. And I dont think i will ever need to go on the dole FOO... Well not with my job at granton as you say.ha
19

Forrest,

Livingston 23/01/2009 13:15:02
#1 "The solution to this would have been to build more parking spaces at Edinburgh Park Station and at the business park."

Would you believe that they didn't actually build any spaces for the station - an act of complete lunacy by presumably the council and Scotrail combined.
20

PaulB,

Edinburgh 23/01/2009 13:21:40
The DVLA can sell motorists' details to a wide range of companies. In fact they must make a huge amount of money out of it. Is this legal? Yes. Is it moral? No.
21

Sister Morag,

Lasswade 23/01/2009 13:22:01
#15 I may be mistaken but it might be 3 hours
22

Niko Bellic,

23/01/2009 13:25:09
this thread, is boring
b o r i n g
23

Niko Bellic,

23/01/2009 13:25:30
zzz
24

blackley,

Edinburgh 23/01/2009 13:43:56
Anyone parking at Hermiston Gait should be arrested instantly.
25

Andrew,

23/01/2009 13:50:53
re 1 & 19
I quite agree! I've been saying this ever since it opened. Edinburgh Park station but you CAN'T park anywhere near it! PLUS the tram is to have a stop there too! GET THE CAR PARKS BUILT at EDINBURGH (where can you?) PARK STATION! (a la Ingliston etc)
26

Jams,

Edinburgh 23/01/2009 13:50:54
Anyone who has had to deal with one of these "fines" will know just how intimidating their methods are. They misrepresent themselves as a legally constituted authority and try to bully people into paying with scare tactics. I suggest that anyone receiving one incorrectly writes directly to the shop involved and ask them if this is how they treat customers. As customers of B&Q, Tesco etc our best way forward lies in proving that these tactics are losing them trade. It is the only approach which will change their mind.

These firms have been transplanted from England where their cowboy tactics are condoned by the law. #7 Foo is wrong about how reasonable these people are as they will not reconsider a parking 'fine' unless the store tells them to.
27

Niko Bellic,

23/01/2009 13:55:17
Guantanamo Gait
Hermiston Colditz

28

Niko Bellic,

23/01/2009 13:55:45
Car clampers are the salt of the earth
29

Foo,

23/01/2009 14:02:16
#18 - Oh, I didn't realise you're a 23year old graduate with lots of pennies.

In that case I'll leave you be.

At 23 you have no concept of the outside world; you're clearly still suckling at your mother teat. Wee lamb.

30

JFW,

Edinburgh 23/01/2009 14:19:31
Edinburgh park station is just just there to service the Business park. There's no need for it to have a car park; a park and ride within the bypass makes no sense whatsoever and folk would not use it for catching the train even if there were parking spaces there, particularly because of the rubbish timetable of the train service to it. The line (main Glasgow route) doesn't have the capacity to improve the service much so as a park and ride it's pointless.
31

UPR,

23/01/2009 16:35:34
Simple. I'm not going to shop at Hermiston Gait again. I don't want the hassle.

32

Grumpy,

23/01/2009 17:14:25
(33) Ditto
33

The Sheriff,

23/01/2009 17:21:28
Having used ANPR cameras I can confirm they do make errors when reading number plates.All it takes is a screw with the black cap to obscure a letter or a number on the plate for the camera to read what it thinks it might be and come up with a different registration,for example a C with said screwcap slightly above the bottom curve of the C and the camera can read it as a letter G,the same for a 5 with a screwcap near the gap in the 5 reading as a 6.etc,etc,etc.

The easy answer would be to put barriers across the entrance to the carpark and a machine that issues a ticket to gain entry,the ticket could then be validated in a centrally located machine,if the time between the issued arrival time and the validated leaving time is less than the 3 hours you are allowed to exit the barrier by putting the validated ticket into the exit barrier,if not then a surcharge of say £10 could be charged.
34

is it me?,

Edinburgh 23/01/2009 20:33:46
#18 Edin
23 year old graduate eh? I can guarantee you'll never have to go on the dole.

Just keep repeating this mantra:

"Dae ye waant fries wi' that?"

...and try to stop your plooks from popping at the customer.
35

Chris,

Edinburgh 23/01/2009 21:51:38
I think the DVLA charge around £2.50 per query and after the Mail on Sunday went ballistic the government changed the legislation to make it easier for your details to be passed on, not more difficult! Here is an old link http://www.mailonsunday.co.uk/news/article-369838/DVLA-sells-details-criminals.html which might interest you.
36

COLINTON.MAINS,

Oakville Ontario 23/01/2009 23:47:49
welcome.to.EDINBURGH.things.to.see.parking.lots

 

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