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Published Date: 13 August 2008
STUDENTS in Scotland face soaring levels of debt because of the credit crunch, according to a new survey.
Graduates will be in the red by an average of £13,000 by the end of their degrees – up by a third on last year's estimate – because of the rising costs of heating, rent and food, it claims.

English students, who pay tuition fees, are predicted to graduate with an average of more than £17,500 of debt.

The figures emerged after a separate study revealed increasing numbers of students are working more hours to survive.

Research from the Bank of Scotland revealed two-thirds of students have a job to support them through their studies. On average, students in Scotland and Northern Ireland worked the longest hours – eight hours a week, while 9 per cent of Scots worked more than 21 hours a week.

The debt survey was carried out by the university guide Push, and a spokesman said: "Scottish students seem to have been hit especially hard by the recent downturn in the economy.

"Our research shows that the prices of the items students buy – things like rent, groceries, entertainments – have risen faster in Scotland than the rest of the UK."

However, he added: "Scotland does remain relatively cheap, though, and the funding system for students is more generous."

The survey puts Robert Gordon University in Aberdeen as the lowest in the UK, with students incurring an average debt of £4,481 in the course of a degree. Queen Margaret University in Edinburgh is third lowest, at £6,090.

The National Union of Students recently carried out a survey of its own that highlighted debt problems.

Gurjit Singh, its president, said: "Our report, Scotland's Lost Opportunities, revealed a third of students had considered dropping out because of financial hardship, and the situation is only being exacerbated in this challenging financial climate. As the cost of living rises, it's an accepted fact many students will work through their studies."

He warned work could have a negative effect on a student's performance, and said: "NUS Scotland is deeply worried that students are being forced to increase their working hours, in some cases to more than 20 hours a week, to keep up with the rising cost of living. It's a timetable that will undoubtedly jeopardise their studies."

He called on the Scottish Government to ensure the proposed local income tax did not punish students.

A spokesman for the Scottish Government said: "Data on graduate debt from the Student Loans Company clearly shows students in Scotland leave with significantly lower levels of debt compared with students in England. In 2008, Scots left with an average debt a little over half of the figure for England."

He stressed that the SNP government was committed to improving the support available to students.

The Scottish Government has already abolished the £2,300 Graduate Endowment that students paid on graduation.



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1

henrymanchester,

UK 13/08/2008 01:23:30
I know you yearn to go back to the days when it was your god given right to trample all over the classes you felt where inferior to you but lets face it:

Its never going to go back the way your mummy and daddy knew it so get over yourself.

Oh and soon those other unfair and unjustifiable privileges of yours that you've grown fat on for many generations are going to go too....
2

Gabe,

Milwaukee 13/08/2008 06:24:13
Henry #2:
Jealousy is an ugly emotion. Why so serious?
3

Gabe,

Milwaukee 13/08/2008 06:31:33
Yes, Henry, it's true that things have changed.
I grew up in Scotland and went to Uni. Not only did I get tuition paid, I got a "grant". It was $10 a week but I am eternally grateful. If not, I would be like my kids are going to be here in the USA, saddled with huge debt before they even get a job.
I really do not understand your dog in the manger attitude. The people I went to university with were ordinary people; none of the implied silver spoons of your post. If anyone needs to get over themself it is you. Your resentment can only harm yourself.
4

Boy Wonder,

13/08/2008 06:46:53
My daughters have decided they don't want to go to Uni. They want to work as soon as they leave school. The nephew feels the same ... and I can't blame them one little bit! I wouldn't either if I was their age.

I hope all the politicians who voted to end the student grant scheme, paid their student grants back to the exchequer!
5

South Ayrshire Sanny Hossack,

The SNP University of broken promises 13/08/2008 07:38:47
Cost of living for students soars, so what does the SNP Scottish Government do, cut grant aid for students!!!
It is now impossible for a family with divorced parents who have new partners to get a grant.
Changes in the rules by the SNP have in real terms halfed grants this year by including all parents income with no disregards for benefits or 2nd family member income.
Your table of average sudent debt is set to rise dramatically next year due to this, and is quite frankly held down year on year by the wealthy people who can afford to pay their kids the £10,000 - £12,000 a year it takes to pay fees, board, food and travel.
The SNP promised to do away with student debt but all they have managed to do is INCREASE it, they are a shower of LIARS.
6

John Cameron,

St Andrews 13/08/2008 07:49:06
On the plus side, the knowledge that debts must be paid can marvellously concentrate the minds of our undergraduates. What is the point in getting oneself £13,000 in the hole for a job one could have got at 18 with a couple of Highers. In addition a little less boozing would keep the cost of living under control. Instead of becoming legless every night and annoying the rest of the town (I live in St Andrews) how about doing a part-time evening job?
7

Haggismaker,

North Bohemia 13/08/2008 08:13:24
7 - Why is it so necessary to insult the entire student population? "A little less boozing, legless every night" are not phrases associated with my recent years at Uni in Edinburgh (though a noisy minority fitted that bill). Why should one not pursue study at a higher level? St. Andrews wouldn't be the beautiful town it is now without its proud history of education. It seems to me you would evidently prefer a much less educated, alcohol-free, toe-the-line workforce with people stuck in a rut of dead-end, low-paid jobs. Great country that would make!
8

IanW,

Otto 13/08/2008 08:30:07
The government is not forcing the students into debt. It is the spending pattern of the students themselves who cause this. If you look at the chart and compare Aberdeen University £9908 with Robert Gordon £4481 you have to ask why is their such a difference? They are both in the same city and the students (Scottish ones at least) have their fees paid for them by SAAS, so what causes the discrepancy?
An even greater contrast would be between Glasgow University and Glasgow Caledonian where the difference is over £14000.
Lets have a look at the background figures that make up these amounts before commenting further.

By the way I have already put 2 of my children through university and they came out with not a penny of debt nor having to repay any 'loan' or the graduate endowment linked to it. My 3rd starts university next month and I doubt if she will have a debt either.
9

Xena - Warrior Princess,

13/08/2008 08:33:27
Haggis you have a point - but the way degrees have been devalued nowadays, is there any point in going to Uni?
10

Linda,

Edinburgh 13/08/2008 08:59:26
And if students work extra hours to pay for living costs Gordon Brown has doubled their tax rate from 10p to 20p. I won't hold my breathe to see NUS campaigning against the Labour Party on this issue.
11

Linda,

Edinburgh 13/08/2008 09:02:22
South # 6. SNP has cut the cost of Uni for every Scottish student by £2300 a year by abolishing Graduate Endowment Fees and this was opposed by all Labour and Tory MSPs so don't blame the SNP who have done more for students than any of the other poltical parties.
12

conservative,

Fife 13/08/2008 09:26:22
I'm a (nearly retired) university lecturer. I see students arriving every day in their cars carrying their split-new laptops, mobile phones, Ipods and the rest. It was rather different in my own student days.

The reason that students run up such huge debts is that they choose to enjoy a far higher standard of living than their income allows. They're not alone there of course but we need to see these 'anxious students' as they really are - people with high earning potential who are choosing for themselves how much debt to build up.
13

The Former Mr. Angry,

Perth 13/08/2008 09:31:39
I'm at a loss to explain how a student can rack up the debts shown in the table.

My two sons are at Glasgow Uni and so far all the debt they have accummulated is the minimum student loan (around £850/year). So at the end they should owe no more than around £3400 plus interest. The only reason they're taking that is it's cheap interest! I pay their rent costs (part of the responsibility a parent has to fund their kids) and they pay the bills, books, equipment and the food and entertainment.

All I ask them to do is a) budget b) live within their means (still means they go on holiday, etc. self-funded) c) get a summer job to help pay for the term-time expenses.

In fact the more careful one has managed to invest in an ISA! Note this is not me piling my riches into them - all I'm paying is their rent!

14

Banana Heid,

Ayrshire 13/08/2008 09:39:16
Everyone is plunging deeper into debt not just students, It's because our own semi elected uk government are ripping us all off. Where's robin hood when you need him?
15

Yeah1,

13/08/2008 09:39:20
#9

"By the way I have already put 2 of my children through university and they came out with not a penny of debt nor having to repay any 'loan' or the graduate endowment linked to it. My 3rd starts university next month and I doubt if she will have a debt either."

Perhaps you could enlighten us as to how your children achieved this?

I assume you are rich enough to fund them totally so they don't need to get a loan, unfortunately not all students are lucky enough to have rich parents.
16

Shaken,

13/08/2008 10:00:59
#14

Lucky kids and good on you!


In reality most parents cannot afford the £250/month for their kids rent. You effectively pay £3k a year for each plus I would doubt your kids pay for the food out the house they eat, if they don't there is no way they live off of £850/year I mean get a grip who could do all the things that you outline on £17/week???
£2.50 /day

I can't get my 3 square a day on that let alone a cinema ticket at £6.50. So please revaluate your middle class muppetry and I hope your kids are studying economics as their dad is pretty ropey!

17

Haggismaker,

North Bohemia 13/08/2008 10:11:54
Nobody has thought to mention the drastic underfunding of higher and further education since the early nineties, recent SNP attempts to reduce the financial burden on SS notwithstanding. The professor above is evidently of the old school (good for him) but, like it or not, notebooks and other modern communication and data-storage devices are the tools of today's universities. Not sure about having cars etc, though. I managed fine on a bike.
18

4isbetterthan1,

Edinburgh 13/08/2008 10:20:48
I ran up a huge amount of student loan debt because I basically couldn't afford to go to Uni. My parents could not afford to contribute to my education, I was a part-time student on a full-time course with the amount of hours I had to work just to pay for Edinburgh rents, food and utilities. This affected my studies and honours classification as a result. I didn't experience getting drunk every night, as basically I couldn't afford to go out. Stereotyping today’s students with those of yester year don’t help. Also, politicians who received free education way back, making decisions as to why today’s students should pay for their education. It's all a bit hypocritical.
19

The Former Mr. Angry,

Perth 13/08/2008 10:23:09
#17 Shaken

If you read my post again - carefully this time - you'll note that they do work during the summer and accummulate say £2500 during that time which goes on top of the loan they get at around £850! So for a 30-week academic year they're "coping" on about £112/week. They may be lucky this year and get another £900 because I bothered my ar$e to apply for a local grant from an organisation that supports local students.

Due to my "middle class muppetry" (what does that mean) and study of mathematics and computing I hate to say it but they emerge with far less debt than seems to be average above. What did you study and why do you feel moved to employ insults?
20

Mcavity1uk,

Stirling 13/08/2008 10:53:31
The Local Income Tax argument is just a red herring. Everyone under 65, including students, has a tax-free personal allowance of £5225 in the current tax year. LIT would only be payable on ANYTHING EARNED ABOVE £5225. So, if a student earned double the personal allowance, say, £10,450 in a year (how likely is this?), they would pay just £5225 x 3% which is £156.75 for the whole year. No big deal, is it?
21

Fairfax,

13/08/2008 11:04:16
conservative(13): "I'm a (nearly retired) university lecturer. I see students arriving every day in their cars carrying their split-new laptops, mobile phones, Ipods and the rest."

I'm an academic also, although roughly 20 years younger than yourself. It's important to remember that laptops and mobile phones are no longer signs of great wealth: supermarkets sell acceptable laptops for £300, whilst mobile phones and MP3 players are also inexpensive. These luxuries do not explain their debt.
22

Peekay,

13/08/2008 11:06:54
#12 Linda, sorry but you are wrong. The SNP has not cut the cost of University for EVERY Scottish student. Two of my children, Scottish by blood and domecile, chose to go to Cambridge and Oxford. The SNP has done nothing to reduce their costs, but I suppose that is their own fault for wanting to get out over the kail yard wall.
23

Fairfax,

13/08/2008 11:09:43
Haggismaker (18): "Nobody has thought to mention the drastic underfunding of higher and further education since the early nineties"

Universities have not been chronically underfunded since the early 1990s, but funding has, rightly, not been distributed equally: there is also the obvious point that some departments are richer than others. Scottish universities obviously have lower income than English universities, due to tuition fees, but generally income, and academic salaries, have increased in pre-1990 universities (i.e. not former polytechnics).
24

Haggismaker,

North Bohemia 13/08/2008 11:25:36
24 - didn't make myself clear. What I really meant to comment on was the abolishing of the student grant and the introduction of loans (I was lucky to be one of the last to receive the grant).
25

Bigwull,

edinburgh 13/08/2008 11:31:42
How about giving grants to people who are doing important degrees sciences/medical etc, and the rest can fend for themselves, afterall its their choice to go on to higher education
26

Fairfax,

13/08/2008 11:34:18
Haggismaker (25): "What I really meant to comment on was the abolishing of the student grant and the introduction of loans"

I would strongly support the reintroduction of grants for, say, the top 10%-20% of students (i.e. scholarships), but the increase in student numbers makes the general use of grants expensive and, in my view, undesirable. It's in the interest of the state to support the university education of the bright, but not the full 40% of the population who now attend some form of tertiary education.
27

Marcus Fenix,

The Valley 13/08/2008 11:42:33
Trust me when I tell you to try to get your children to get a job that will pay them to go to Uni one day a week while 'serving their time'. By the time they finish they will have no student debt, be earning a good wage (better that a graduate salary for sure) and have both the practical skills and in-dept knowledge that industry is crying out for at the moment.

I believe too many school leavers are pushed by their parents and or teachers into going to university. I'm sure a good percentage of graduates, sitting with another tens years worth of student loans re-payments in front of them and without the practical skills that their employers require, will agree.
28

Haggismaker,

North Bohemia 13/08/2008 11:48:52
Fairfax - I agree, the system will never be perfect. An increasingly higher number of educated young adults however should to lead to a greater part of the general population being more economically active, something not to be sniffed at. Another point I feel quite strongly about is continued financial support and moral encouragement of underachievers, those who without such help might (often do) fall by the wayside. I am involved musically with large groups of children and young adults in central Europe who have not (for whatever reason) gleaned the benefit of state education, creating opportunities for study and employment, which could not exist without state funding. Their contribution to themselves and society as whole is often very significant but frequently undervalued.
29

IanW,

Otto 13/08/2008 11:56:15
Yeah1 - 16# - I am not particularly rich, low end of comfortable I would say as I still struggle sometimes to pay bills depending on the time of their arrival.

My two older children received an allowance from me and they had to live with that alone. One rule did apply though and that was that the studies came first. Both of them stuck to this rule and and never had to borrow more or work. They enjoyed the social life at university as well and were able to save for holidays.

The main thrust of my comment however was to ask about why there is such a difference in the levels of debt. It cannot just be to do with where they live as even in the same cities there are huge differences in the debt level. These differences, I think, can mainly only be down to individual lifestyles.
30

Regulator,

Edinburgh 13/08/2008 12:02:56
It all seems very short sighted. Years ago it was the lack of apprenitceships, now it's lumbering students with substantial debt. Whether it's tradesmen/women or the "professional graduates" it is these people that are going to be paying in to pension schemes to enable the pension companies to pay out our pensions. But then again, engineering graduates are not valued in the UK and can work abroad for much more money than can be expected at home.
31

Pedant,

13/08/2008 12:22:25
IanW #30 From my experience I would say that the main reason for he difference between Aberdeen and Robert Gordon Universities is that the majority of students at the former were from outside the area and had to pay for rent/travel/food etc, while those at the latter lived at home with parents, and were supplied with all their needs, and continued to work in the shelf-stacking jobs they'd had from school while Mum made their meals, did their laundry, etc.
32

Yeah1,

13/08/2008 12:24:16
#30

"The main thrust of my comment however was to ask about why there is such a difference in the levels of debt. It cannot just be to do with where they live as even in the same cities there are huge differences in the debt level."

Yes it does seem strange that there is such a difference in the levels of debt within the same cities.

In the case of Aberdeen (where I attended both Aberdeen Uni as an undergrad and RGU as a postgrad) there is nothing substantially different about the living standards of students from either university, although I would think that Aberdeen Uni charges more for accommodation.
33

WKKB,

13/08/2008 12:31:07
Here's one for you... My neice who's family lives in America moved to the UK last year to do her Masters programme; she pays tuition to the tune of £15,000 (foreigh student cost) per year, then she has living expenses down in Manchester (not cheap) and because of the kind of Masters program she is in working a regular job is very difficult. She has auditions, performances, competitions etc on top of her regular school schedule making it hard for perspective employers to know whether she'll be available for work or not. Because she came over from America she can't find grants here in the UK so she's had to rely on student loans from the US. Her family has already re-mortgaged their house to help her and we do what we can as well. To date she has debt totalling £45K in student loans and has this year to finish which means another chunk to take out in a student loan. I realize she's a foreign student and that it's the foreign students who make pay the largest amount for the priviledge of going to school here but when her fellow students whine to her about they're huge £2000 tuition expense she just tells them to be glad theirs isn't £15,000 PER YEAR!
34

resident2,

Edinburgh 13/08/2008 12:42:20
When I left uni I had just over £13k worth of debt, that was only 2 years ago. I got my annual statement a few weeks ago only to be told that I had paid £643 in the past year and £510 of that went on interest (which by the way started at 2.40% and has now jumped to 4.80%). Looks like us graduates will be re-paying this till we die! Why is it that we were sold the loan as 'interest free' ot near enough when the rate is changed every day.
Think I would've been better getting a bank loan!
35

TheSmith,

13/08/2008 13:21:47
Sometimes I feel like a third world country when I get my statements from the Student Loans Company...meagre payments don't even clear the interest.
Mind you I'm in no hurry to pay it off, its much cheaper than any bank loan or credit card.
36

tessterror,

13/08/2008 13:39:57
i am a single parent, work for NHS in a good nursing job, my daughter has had mim student loan, never used and over draft and has worked full time during all of her holidays to save for going back to Uni in September.She only takes contributions from me reluctantly and food parcels when she is home. It can be done, we are not self righteous, she doesnt really go without ever and is learning the cost of living and standing on her own two feet. I think the SAAS is a waste of time and needs a total revamp. As parents we have to be prepared to continue to sacrifice things until our children are through education.
37

Scottish 'N British,

13/08/2008 13:53:01
12

Sadly misleading.

The average Scots student graduates with £13,5000 worth of debt.

BEFORE THE ELECTION The SNP promised to clear it.

AFTER THE ELECTION the SNP changed its mind and only scrapped the GES, or £2,300.

This leaves students still burdened by over £11,000 of debt.

When is Salmond going to honour its pledge and announce it will clear the other £11,500, as Salmond faithfully promised they would?


38

tomy,

13/08/2008 13:54:25
Hardly surprising the jobless total is rising so fast, when our skilled workers, kept on short term contracts, start a job only to be paid off two or three days later when the company drafts in eastern europeans who are willing to ignore health and safety regs - this means they are seen to be 'more' productive even where wages are the same. This is currently happening all over the uk, but the unions and government are hushing it up, as in the near strike at Grangemouth and related key sites last week (all hushed up)after uk workers were paid off in plymouth only three days after starting work, when a new batch of E. Europeans arrived to take their jobs. The unions, who insist uk workers follow H&S regs, failed to support these redundancy-hit workers, presumably in case the adverse publicity hit nu-labour even harder and they deliberately withheld information from their members and accepted a grotesquely unfair 'hush money' deal on their behalf without even consulting the redundant workers views. This situation is happening regularly and will only get worse, with more and more of our skilled native workforce being forced into unemployment, while the E.Europeans send their wages home to be spent in and boost their economies, while ours goes even more down the drain. I've absolutely nothing against E. Europeans or anyone else, but this situation is ludicrous. When our youth have the motivation to complete apprenticeships and gain skills, surely they should be offered some reward by way of decent employment - after all, they could have just sunk into drink and drugs as people without hope or future often do!
39

Scottish 'N British,

13/08/2008 14:00:48
20%, or 50,000 of Scots students will pay Swinney's Ca-LIT.

2.3% pay the hated Council Tax.

40

resident2,

13/08/2008 14:18:19
Might add that the £2300 scrapped by the Government only came into force this year and is not back dated to other students who graduated prior to this year.
41

Scottish 'N British,

13/08/2008 14:32:17
41

Devil's in the detail with this SNP lot. Bit like the scrapping of presriprion charges. Closer inspection shows it will be phased out over the 4 years.

I wonder if the student population will remember the weasel words from, for example 12 above, at the next election!


42

Climate change is a fraud,

13/08/2008 15:43:13
All by design.

Avoid debt if you can. The private central bankers want to destroy the middle classes and collect real assets (property).

You are especially at risk if you've almost paid off your mortgage.

Get a year's supply of food and stockpile water fiters etc. Best get Berkey Light filters.

Also put your savings into gold and silver.
43

Miss H,

13/08/2008 16:32:25
Former Mr Angry. No way are your kids living off £850 a year. Maybe they save up the money they earn from working but they are not paying their bills, books, equipment, food and entertainment on £850 a year. That can't be done - sorry. Either they are at it or you are.

They probably have half a dozen credit cards they're not telling you about.
44

Miss H,

13/08/2008 16:33:44
40 Made up figures.
45

Miss H,

13/08/2008 16:38:21
38 The answer to that is when Labour and the Tories drop their opposition.

You must be a member of one or the other (hard as it is to tell the difference). Why don't you expend your considerable energy persuading your fellow travellers to stop opposing the SNP on student debt.

Labour didn't even want to scrap the Graduate Endowment - and wanted to bring in top up fees. If it was up to them Scottish students would have as much debt as English students do. So start with them, they need to change their position fast.

46

Haggismaker,

Northern Bohemia 13/08/2008 16:38:58
39 - not sure E Europeans are intent on breaking H & S rules, it seems to me it's more likely to be unscrupulous British employers. However, it is an odd situation now that E Europeans are working in the UK and making tidy wages while the cream of British engineers and scientists have left and are working abroad doing the same.
47

Marcus Fenix,

The Valley 13/08/2008 16:49:28
#47. I assure you that the cream of British engineering is still on these shores.

(However, when NASA do get around to calling me I will go)
48

The Former Mr. Angry,

Perth 13/08/2008 17:11:26
44 - MissH

Did I say they live off £850 a year - no! They accumulate debt of £850pa from the Student Loan award. See post #20 for a fuller explanation. But if you'd read my original post you'd see it does mention that they work over the summer to pay for term-time expenses that you mention.

What seems to be the case for a number of parents is that they pay nothing towards their children's rent or living expenses away from home. That must be the case if they're accummulating the sort of debt that's mentioned in the article.

Neither has a cedit card - they do have current accounts, but are overdraft-free. One of them does work as a subject for psychology experiments - not daft - what he saves from this gets invested!
49

sjs,

Edinburgh 13/08/2008 17:49:34
Some posters on here have just been making sweeping generalisations and been quite insulting to students. There are undoubtedly some who squander their money; but it is usually those who are given free hand outs (RE: poster "The Former Mister Angry"), usually because mummy and daddy are self employed and only make X a year (yea right!).

Meanwhile, those whose parents can't afford to contribute either have to work (at serious detrimental impact to their education and which most universities prohibit or try to limit) or they take a loan. Travel expenses, rent, books, and basic living costs (food, phone, barbery) do total up and are on the increase. That's the point of the article.
50

Paula,

13/08/2008 20:50:24
My parents couldn't afford to help me when I went to college (not uni but the same problems nevertheless.)

I worked two jobs, from 6pm-10pm weekdays on one and weekends on the other. Plus my coursework. So it can be done. You just need to get organised. However I am glad I am not trying to do it now as not only would I get hammered tax wise, there are the higher costs - which everyone has to pay so it isn't just students feeling the pinch.

My friend did a very clever degree that I can't remember the name of just now. He worked in a bar every evening and every weekend and again managed to support himself having come from a single parent family. He now is head of one of the science departments at a uni in NZ.

I've started putting what little I can away into two bank accounts for my twin boys. In 12 years time they can decide what to use it for, if it is for a degree then I would help them as much as I could financially but I would also expect them to get jobs.
51

Scottish 'N British,

14/08/2008 09:19:37
45

Is that so?

John Swinney, in a parliamentary answer, revealed that a quarter of all full-time students in Scotland – 55,000 – might have to pay the new tax.

He said the government estimated three-quarters of students would be exempt from the tax, leaving the rest liable to pay.

52

Scottish 'N British,

14/08/2008 09:24:34
51

Putting away money is a good idea. My wife's mum put away the child allowance she got for her girls.

The accumulated sum paid for their part of the 5 weddings, if you see what I mean, and the money left over was divvied up and each daughter was surprised to get a cheque for over £2,500* (I refer to it as the GES rebate).

Not everyone can afford to do this, of course.
53

Scottish 'N British,

14/08/2008 09:24:49
51

Putting away money is a good idea. My wife's mum put away the child allowance she got for her girls.

The accumulated sum paid for their part of the 5 weddings, if you see what I mean, and the money left over was divvied up and each daughter was surprised to get a cheque for over £2,500* (I refer to it as the GES rebate).

Not everyone can afford to do this, of course.

 

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