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Published Date: 14 November 2008
PLANS for a towering new hotel at Haymarket are facing severe delays and could be scrapped altogether after a public inquiry was ordered into the scheme.
The £200 million project, which includes the contentious 17-storey five-star hotel, has already received the go-ahead from the council's planning committee.

But Scottish Government ministers have called for the inquiry, which developers fear could cause months of delays.

John Nesbitt, managing director of Tiger Developments, said: "We are naturally disappointed that we will now have to face a further delay in starting a project which won planning approval and secured much public support at a local level.

"The Haymarket development area remains one of Edinburgh's most neglected city-centre sites. Following the planning approval in the summer, we were looking forward to quickly moving on site and starting the £200 million transformation.

"We remain, however, 100 per cent committed to developing the site and still look forward to the opportunity of leading one of Edinburgh's most exciting regeneration projects."

Final approval from the Scottish Government was required because the council has a financial interest in the land. But planning minister Stewart Stevenson will not simply rubber stamp the development and ministers have instead called for the inquiry.

A government spokesman said: "In view of the nature of this proposal and its possible implications, Scottish ministers have decided that the matter should be considered at a public local inquiry."

Under current proposals, the car park at the former Morrison Street goods yard would be replaced by a 192-bedroom, five-star hotel, a neighbouring three-star, 245-bedroom Travelodge, 342sq ft of office space, shops, cafes and restaurants.

A city council spokeswoman said: "We await, with interest, the details of the ministers' direction and will co-operate fully with the process."

Some politicians have described the flagship building as "world-class", claiming it will enhance Edinburgh's skyline.

But the "leaf-shaped" hotel centrepiece has been described as looking like "an alien spaceship dropped in from Doctor Who".

Alternative plans for the site, drawn up by EDI, the arms-length council-owned company, were described as "unimaginative and almost brutal".

Despite fierce criticism, the plans were granted planning permission, which was approved by Scottish Executive ministers in 2006 following a public inquiry.

But EDI was forced to put the site on the market because of the council's decision to use the firm's assets to help finance a massive equal pay settlement.

Irish developer Tiger bought the site in December 2006 for a sum believed to be £41.5m.


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  • Last Updated: 14 November 2008 11:08 AM
  • Source: Edinburgh Evening News
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Edinburgh planning issues
 
1

Hmm?,

14/11/2008 11:40:36
The last thing we need in Edinburgh is another bl**dy hotel anyway...

*grumble* *grumble* *grumble*
2

Skip McClendon,

14/11/2008 11:48:09
Jeez....yet another thing that our parish politicos harp on about being "World Class". Buy a Thesaurus and come up with some new PR-speak, guys!
3

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 14/11/2008 11:49:20
.¥.
4

NYC Hibee,

edinburgh 14/11/2008 11:54:47
just what we need - another enquiry. Why not get on with it - keep the economy going - it has been approved after all. There are building firms paying men off every day. Perfect opportunity to keep people in work. But no - all the whingers and moaners need to stick their noses in! Edinburgh - world class? not while these professional poo pooers live here!
5

Kirspin,

Fergus, Ontario twinned with Blairgowie 14/11/2008 12:01:54
Keep the area free for Vehicle Parking! All large Cities need places to park, ie Tourist Bus among them as well as individual motorists
6

Skip McClendon,

14/11/2008 12:17:17
Maybe the Government are calling this one in because they are concerened that it isn't being built on an area of special scientific interest...
7

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14/11/2008 12:19:05
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alex paterson,

edinburgh 14/11/2008 12:20:20
Rubbish we need more hotels with a drinks license.
9

capy,

emba 14/11/2008 12:25:35
A new football stadium perhaps......
10

Buttress,

14/11/2008 12:36:30
Actually no it didn't really win planning approval - it was referred to Ministers. That means the plans were not finally approved.

Good news. Let's hope Tiger pulls out and a far better scheme for this most sensitive of sites adjacent to the WHS can be found.

Shame that Caltongate didn't get an inquiry.




11

Arrow,

edinburgh 14/11/2008 12:36:37
why would you want a football stadium in Edinburgh? where do they play football (sorry soccer)in Edinburgh?

look out! incoming!!!

12

Jenny MacArthur,

14/11/2008 12:48:57
Can anyone see a single thing about this development that says "Welcome to Edinburgh"? Or, like me, do you just see another awful arrogant architect's self-aggrandising "vision" that says absolutely nothing about this city, which is why our heritage-hating planners appear to love it. It's utterly shocking that we tolerate these value-free morons to destroy our wonderful civic heritage with "me too" monstrosities like this that could be ANYWHERE in the world.
13

Incandescent,

14/11/2008 12:50:43
Try Googling "Linskaill". The results are quite interesting.
14

Incandescent,

14/11/2008 12:55:31
#13 Jenny, not commenting on the big story then?
15

Jambo Jay,

14/11/2008 13:12:23
Granted it may not be the best design however it is needed! More to the point, does it not surprise you that the ministers have tried blocking this??? Let's face it. We may be the capital of Scotland but these idiots absolutely don't want us improving anything! Funding will probably go to ANYWHERE but us.
16

Buttress,

14/11/2008 13:14:42
No, this particular design is far from needed, and actually Ministers have ordered an inquiry - which is not the same as blocking it.

Funding? Let's hope Tiger gives up and sells to a company which will NOT want to pile it high .

17

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14/11/2008 13:17:50
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Buttress,

14/11/2008 13:24:43
Actually I think 13 has it spot on.

http://www.bdonline.co.uk/story.asp?sectioncode=436&storycode=3122138

19

Brian Ferrari,

14/11/2008 13:33:46
If this hotel looks like an alien spaceship, what does the Scott Monument look like ?
20

Buttress,

14/11/2008 13:41:53
Think we did that in the other report.

21

jaycee0,

14/11/2008 13:46:40
#21 - Thunderbird 3...
22

Spathiphyllum,

14/11/2008 13:52:13
21 - A church spire wrenched off and stuck into the ground.

I quite like it, though.

The architecture of this proposed hotel I am indifferent to. I do wonder though, whether over reliance on the hope of visiters to our city to boost our ecomony is sound in the long term.
23

Buttress,

14/11/2008 14:04:21
This may make you chuckle:

http://independentrepublicofthecanongate.blogspot.com/search?q=Lancaster

24

New Town Resident,

14/11/2008 14:16:18
~13. Agree with you.

However I rather worry if its just fig leaf process - isn't there financing problems with this scheme at the moment so they now have the time to go through the motions and cover themselves and also throw a scrap UNESCO's way?

Interested to know what Buttress thinks about the validity of the process and chances of the Tower being scaled back?
25

Buttress,

14/11/2008 14:32:05


I think I've said I think this is the wrong design in the wrong place for a considerable time, and hope that an inquiry finds the same. As usual sound objections were ignored, and Alan Henderson thought it an enhancement of the World Heritage Site. Naturally councillors backed it with enthusiasm, esp. Lowrie and Rose.

Oddly, Edinburgh World Heritage thought not and opposed it. But hey what could they know?

The only reason it is so tall is it will cram more rooms in and more profit. It has little to do with design merits.

It wasn't specified that this was the scheme with the finance problems, we can only hope.



http://news.scotsman.com/edinburgh/Inquiry-into-towering-hotel-stalls.4694297.jp




26

NYC Hibee,

edinburgh 14/11/2008 14:54:29
no.27
Then there's always those who love to complain and criticise. Where would we be without you?
Certainly not where we are - living in the only Capital city amongst derelict buildings and wasteland. Nothing forward thinking or modern. What's your take on the Gerkin?
London Eye, Time Warner Building, Squinty bridge?
Infact, don't bother answering as I know what it would be. Let's just keep the 20th century s_heap that we live in! - God forbid any progress - happy now?
27

Buttress,

14/11/2008 15:08:36
Oh, I don't think I always complain and criticise. And simply because something is new and shiny it doesn't make it good architecture you know.

But you know - it's a free(ish) country.

But actually you'd be surprised at what I like.

But then that might uspet your prejudices to think I do have some interest in architecture ;-)

Do you mean the Gherkin? 30 St Mary's Axe? The building which replaced the bombed Baltic Exchange, as it was supposedly was beyond repair but is now re-erected in Tallinn?





28

It's me!,

14/11/2008 16:02:48
Councillors and Ministers need only look at the Scandic hotel in the High Street to see how a modern building can tie in with its surroundings. Caltongate? Yeuch. An architects ego that can be seen anywhere.
29

Seb,

14/11/2008 16:04:41
Funnily enough, Ian Begg is building another Scandic Crown in China. Ego-less obviously.
30

Abel Magwitch,

14/11/2008 16:32:21
This is yet another overpriced Edinburgh hotel. There will be a short period of hype after the grand opening, then management will discover that they cannot afford decent services in the form of cleaners and English-speaking people on the desk. Maintenance will be skimped. Plumbing will be dodgy and the lifts will break down and not repaired for weeks. Then we will have yet another overpriced underserviced Edinburgh hotel.

Best forget all about it.
31

Buttress,

14/11/2008 16:33:09
That's the China they have been getting rid of historic buildings by the score then?

I can't see the Scandic Crown as a modern building really, but it's something that does divide people - ape the past or put up something of now but in sympathy?





32

I love to eat Sellotape,

14/11/2008 16:33:37
Turn the hotel into a hearty and nourishing soup.
33

Rap,

14/11/2008 16:55:55
NYC Hibee you really have no idea what you are talking about. These hotel rooms will put the city over quote for what they have calcuated they need for the next 10 years, considering all other hotel options passed. So, that will be a very big, unused hotel - good economic decision? And office space - with some many empty offices and now the credit crunch, don't you think it is unlikely all the office space will be used? No?
So, you want the site built just to keep builders in a job and then forget about it afterwards? Doesn't really show any sensible thought about the issue.

34

Rap,

14/11/2008 16:56:54
That cartoon sums it all up perfectly Buttress. Big and shiny - must be good!
35

Buttress,

14/11/2008 17:00:10
Yes, Osbert Lancaster is sorely missed!


36

Neo,

Edinburgh 14/11/2008 17:31:01
An ugly building that does not enhance the Edinburgh sky line.
37

Rap,

14/11/2008 17:40:20
But it's an iconic gateway, isn't that enough Neo?

;-)
38

Neo,

Edinburgh 14/11/2008 17:55:15
An ugly building that does not enhance the Edinburgh sky line.
39

NYC Hibee,

edinburgh 14/11/2008 18:26:28
35.
Rap, wow you're right, I have no idea what I'm talking about. I wonder why the developers are building a hotel they most obviously can't fill and offices too? They must be really stupid like me. Wonder how they've got this far and made any money at all really.
We must all be thick! (oh I've just had my tax return back from my accountant, I earned nearly £194k last year - how stupid must I be?)
Maybe everyone should bow to your wisdom and economic sense!

40

Buttress,

14/11/2008 19:10:10
Another unamusing troll I see.
Very stupid if your posts here are anything to go by.


41

Think Tank,

14/11/2008 19:54:37
It has to be said that this decision is utterly bizarre given the current economic climate. But then Edinburgh loves having the most convuluted and anti-growth planning policy anywhere. Why make a decision now on a site, when you can wait 5 years and keep loads of pen-pushers in employment?

42

Buttress,

14/11/2008 21:25:21
Yawn.
43

tumshie heid,

14/11/2008 23:31:33
#41 Anybody who likes to boast about their salary like that is a c#ck of the highest order.
I didnt earn 194k last year but I can see that the last thing Edinburgh needs in this economic climate is another hotel and office space to rent.
44

COLINTON.MAINS,

Oakville Ontario 15/11/2008 01:59:53
TRAVELODGE.i.would.not.give.them.two.stars/its.ugly
45

COLINTON.MAINS,

Oakville Ontario 15/11/2008 02:24:54
IT.IS.SO.UGLY.ITS.SICKENING
46

Robert12,

15/11/2008 03:14:15
So the Government say it's fine to destroy Aberdeen but it's not okay to build a hotel on a scabby car park in Edinburgh?

Scabby toilet block or landmark hotel...tough decision.

p.s. Alan Henderson's replacement came in this week and I can't see him changing the decision!
47

Buttress,

15/11/2008 10:03:55
It's in the buffer zomne of a World Heritage Site, ajacent to listed buildings, should not have been passed. I suspect the UNESCO visit has concentrated a few minds.


The decision isn't now up to the council. It will have to defend its decison at a public inquiry, which will be interesting, but the decsison is not now out of their hands.

Alan Henderson didn't make the decision. The elected members did.
48

Buttress,

15/11/2008 10:15:31
Sorry should have read:

but the decsison is now out of their hands.



49

Rap,

15/11/2008 12:45:52
Tumshie Heid, you got in there before I could reply. Thank you.

NYC Hibbee, this isn't you Kevin Costner in Field of Dream. Tiger can't just build a 5* hotel and say I've built it so they will come. Same with the office blocks. But more importantly, the decision to build a 17 storey building, regardless of use just to keep a few builders occupied for the new 4 years does not outweigh the significance of it's bulk against the rest of Edinburgh's buildings, or it's questionable contribution to the skyline. Now, let's see, you do the maths here (or perhaps your accountant can do it for you if you are struggling now)- 4 years employment, no guarentee of occupancy rate for either 3* hotel or 5* hotel, or office spaces against the potential impact on Edinburgh's World Heritage Status. Sum too hard for you?
50

Jeje,

Haymarket 17/11/2008 22:06:16
John Nesbitt, managing director of Tiger Developments, said: "We are naturally disappointed that we will now have to face a further delay in starting a project which won planning approval and secured much public support at a local level."
-- This 17-storey thing would be right bang in front of my living room window, I'd rather keep the amazing view over the local rooftops I have just now.
I am all for the regeneration of the Haymarket area, but this gigantic monstrosity is not it.
Hopefully it will be binned.
51

Buttress,

18/11/2008 00:42:41
Well, it might cheer you to know UNESCO has conserns too.


52

Jeje,

Haymarket 18/11/2008 09:50:48
Certainly does.

53

Amber Star,

06/12/2008 13:09:25
Why do people like Mr "I earned £194k" assume that we don't want any development? We want development, we want construction workers to be employed, we want high quality, low rise buildings that meet a genuine need without being the visual equivalent of Liberace (may he rest in peace). This building might look fine in Las Vegas but it doesn't work well here. Anybody who can do their own tax returns knows that it won't bring more employment to Edinburgh. It'll increase competition for same no. of customers, hotel room rates will be reduced and all hotels will cut staff to maintain their profit margin. Same pie, smaller slices; Edinburgh's skyline ruined for nothing!

 

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