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Published Date: 19 November 2006
THE pound will never be ditched in favour of the euro while Gordon Brown holds the reins of power, his aides insisted last night.
Scotland on Sunday can reveal that although Treasury officials are already reviewing the infamous "five tests" devised by Brown to decide whether to join the single currency, the Chancellor has ruled it out.

Brown will seize the opportunity to scupper one of Tony Blair's remaining political ambitions by ruling that he will shun the euro as it would critically damage Britain's economic competitiveness.

Senior aides last night confirmed that, almost eight years after 12 European Union colleagues ditched their own notes and coins and began trading with euros, Brown still had no intention of taking Britain down the same route and was instead preparing to rule out membership for the duration of his own premiership if, as expected, he succeeds Blair next year.

"Gordon has made it clear, repeatedly, that this will be decided on the economics," a Treasury source said last night. "He has always harboured doubts over whether the time would ever be right to enter. This was last looked at three years ago and I don't see us getting any closer now. I think Gordon's going to be happy to kick this way past the long grass for as long as he's around."

One of the leading members of the pro-euro movement, Scottish peer Lord Foulkes, last night said the UK had missed a "brief window of opportunity" to enter the euro. But he accepted that staying out was the correct decision.

"It's not a live issue at the moment," said Foulkes, a former Labour MP and member of the advisory board of Britain in Europe. "To be honest, there is no enthusiasm or desire among even the most ardent in the movement to raise it again.

"Our economy is doing fine and there's a fairly obvious signal of that in the consistently strong performance of the pound against the euro."

The euro provoked one of the most damaging internal disputes during Blair's first term in office, as Brown insisted that the Chancellor should have the final say over whether or not to make the historic move.

The Labour hierarchy eventually managed a truce in the feuding with the judgment that the decision should be made on the basis of Brown's five tests, designed to gauge the degree to which the British economy had converged with the rest of the eurozone. Brown subsequently vetoed euro membership after concluding that Britain had missed most of the targets, rating compatibility of business cycles and economic structures, flexibility, conditions for long-term investment decisions, and the impact on financial services, growth, stability and employment.

But the Chancellor must now produce an updated assessment of the tests in his Budget next spring, in line with a commitment made three years ago.

Brown's closest ally, Ed Balls, who is now economic secretary to the Treasury, said: "The government's policy on membership of the single currency was set out by the Chancellor in his statement to the House of Commons in October 1997, and again in the Chancellor's statement on the five tests assessment in June 2003.

"The Chancellor announced in Budget 2006 that 'the government does not propose a euro assessment to be initiated at the time of this Budget'. The Treasury will again review the situation at Budget time next year as required by the Chancellor's June 2003 statement."

But the cross-party support for entering the euro has dramatically declined in the years since Blair enthusiastically fronted the pressure group Britain in Europe, which was expressly designed to campaign for membership of the single currency.

During the last election campaign, Blair himself acknowledged that the drive was running out of steam, observing that "the economics aren't in the right place" for Britain to abandon the pound.

Labour's manifesto pledged to maintain its "common-sense" policy on the euro, but did not commit the party to adopting the currency. The party insisted that the national economic interest, and the five tests, would determine any decision - and promised that nothing would be done until a recommendation to join was backed by a vote in Parliament and a referendum in the country as a whole.

The shift came after Kenneth Clarke, the most prominent Tory euro-enthusiast, admitted he had been wrong in his assumption of the currency's impact.

Although some larger UK businesses are already trading in the euro, a poll earlier this year revealed that support for euro entry among medium-sized British companies had hit an all-time low.

Research from business and financial advisers Grant Thornton showed only 35% medium-sized firms wanted to see the euro adopted, down from 42% last year, and 50% in 2003.

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1

TerryinSpringburn,

glasgow 19/11/2006 01:55:13

That's big of him - is he going to buy back all the gold he sold?

2

scottwebb.co.uk,

19/11/2006 05:58:34

Comment@1 Terry, hi mate. Nice to see someone else is waking up, oh the joys of debt based paper money :)

3

CapitalKid,

Balerno 19/11/2006 09:06:15

I don't mind ditching the quid. We've disposed of other currencies before. But I never like the name "Euro". Did no-one have any imagination???

Actually with the rest of the world trading in dollars, we should have gone the same route. Not a big fan of USA economy ... I just think the dollar would have been better ... after all Scotland had a Dollar long before anyone else!!! :D

4

SW,

P&K 19/11/2006 09:23:57

Terry (1). Spot on. £4Billion loss on that one - just proves what a good business man he is - not!

How many hospitals can you build for that amount Gordon.

5

Pa broon,

Edinburgh 19/11/2006 10:02:11

Sell Gold buy Euo's? nothing like the grand gesture when it's the tax payers money.

6

Horst,

Loughborough 19/11/2006 10:14:13

No British politician will ever get rid of the Pound Sterling. If we were allowed to choose the Euro we would be able to compare prices with our Euro partners more easily and realize that their prices are so much lower. Germany for example pays 30% less for most goods and 20% less on car fuel.

7

donald,

weegieland 19/11/2006 10:21:28

A Broon Poond with bigger Union Jacks?

8

Ubi,

Edinburgh 19/11/2006 10:29:23

Brown in Iraq ? Now there is an opportunity for change.

9

Denis,

19/11/2006 10:42:15

Yep, that's what I do every time I go to the supermarket - compare prices with our Euro partners. I'm surprised anybody's still pushing that argument - even the EU has now admitted that it hasn't worked.

10

Jockyw,

19/11/2006 10:54:38

Can someone tell me what this very inflated (in every sense) Chancellor is travelling around the world on jaunts?

Surely travel especially to Iraq remains the responsibility of the foreign secretary, Prime minister and the defence secretary – bust.

Who is this Gordon chap? I hear that he looks rather good in orange (boiler suit).

11

Evan Owen,

Snowdonia 19/11/2006 10:56:35

Although I'm no fan of Doom and Broon it is a fact that the Irish hate the Euro, what's bad for them is bad for us.

12

Denis,

19/11/2006 11:31:54

There are good reasons why Brown is backing off from the euro:

http://www.thebusinessonline.com/Document.aspx?id=02E1844...

EMU has always been first and foremost a political project, but the economic disadvantages are just too great for Brown to ignore.

13

cabrach loon,

inverness 19/11/2006 11:46:26

Wholly agree #13 and who said he could throw away the 100,000,000 pound handouts to go down the drain in Africa and Iraq - the latter still has masses of oil in the ground - ours has been squandered!

14

radical pink,

19/11/2006 11:48:56

Has something happened since yesterday that I missed, is Brown already in power, did I miss the democratic voting thingy. Silly, silly me, I thought he’d still be mulling over his much publicised foreign sabbatical and learning how to count the cost of war in real terms!

Scotland doesn’t need Brown he’s a weapon of mass destruction for the Scottish people and our economy. A defective Scot with an overbearing arrogance and a learning difficulty that needs urgent attention, this is a scary man who will alienate and frighten vulnerable Scots.

Brown is an emotionally repressed character who epitomises the hypocrisy of a Victorian cleric, turns a blind eye to workhouse poverty, sickness and the entrenched environmental decays that threaten future generations.

Scotland has no room for yet another cold unbalanced creature whose despotic politics are depressingly rehearsed to the inhumane tune of the money gods, methinks its time for a super-hero that can sing outa tune to the national anthem.

Radical pink
P.S.
Could this be the new national anthem?
Sal-mon-chanted evening
You may see a stranger
You may see a stranger
Across a crowded room
And somehow you know.hoho,
You know.hoho, even then
That somewhere you’ll see him
Again and again and again

15

Xhile,

England 19/11/2006 11:51:32

I just wish some economist or politician would explain to me why it is so advantageous to keep the pound when it seems to lead to interest rates twice most other countries, a sell off of all British companies to the 'unsuccessful' Euro countries, the destruction of our remaining manufacturing industry and the biggest balance-of-payments deficit in British history.
Brown is reputed to be a 'lucky' chancellor - he certainly is.
He will be able to move smoothly into the Prime Minister's job just before the British Economy comes crashing down around our ears!

16

Agent 99,

19/11/2006 11:53:01

So even Gordo has his "good day to bury bad news".

If there was ever any doubt about the so-called 5 tests this finally shows that Broon is just the self-seeking megalomanic that everyone has long suspected.

The pros and cons of the Euro debate are irrelevant here. The fact the Broon simply ditches his oft-stated mantra to curry electoral favour with a few marginals says it all.

17

Humanist,

Berkshire 19/11/2006 12:01:52

If Brown is a joke, he comes with a very painful and expensive punch line.
Britain's supposedly great economic expansion has come at the cost of monstrous taxation, bent PFI book-keeping and an unsustainable explosion in personal and government debt. The supposedly independent MPC has been careful to keep interest rates at the levels preferred by the banks and the profligate consumers who enrich them; Melvyn King frets about consumer responsibility while the Bank of England encourages money supply growth in double digits. No wonder that house prices have inflated from an average of about 3.5 times average annual earnings to about 8.
The great news is that all of these chickens will come home to roost (similar already have in the US) just about the time that Hen Broon becomes PM.
The Euro is unpopular almost everywhere, not just in Ireland. I visited there not long after the introduction of the Euro, and people were complaining bitterly about across-the-board price increases of about 30 percent.
To say that the question for Britain should be decided only on economic grounds is...er, Balls.
It's also about sovereignty, and if Ed and his boss had any balls they would take the other logical step and pull Britain from the EU. It is a top-down imposition of colossal incompetence, bureaucracy and corruption, and we would be better off out.

18

Denis,

19/11/2006 12:10:32

Xhile, it's better to have the right interest rate for your economy than to have an interest rate which is set for some kind of average of the economies of 12 (now) countries but is not right for any of them. If we had joined the euro in 1999 then the lower interest rate would have caused runaway inflation.

19

Xhile,

England 19/11/2006 12:30:37

Denis, I'm all for keeping the pound - but at the right interest rate level.
I refer you to Humanist 19. for the summary of our problems.
I ask again the same question - why should the UK's interest rate generally be twice as high as our competitors rates?
How often do we hear the Bank of England fat cats tell us - 'we must cool the housing market to avoid inflation'.
This is nonsense!
A simple cure for the rise in house prices is to introduce a minimum 10% or 15% deposit requirement.
Can't be done?
The requirement was in force at 10% in the early 1960's but was scrapped.
The high UK interest rates obviously suit some sections of our society very much indeed - and they don't seem to give a toss if the economy
finally disintegrates as a result.

20

Ken 1,

Glenrothes 19/11/2006 12:48:06

I wouldn't mind the Euro as long as 2 things could be ensured:

1. All other Countries joining the Euro have experienced price increases ranging from 25% to 50%. Many people I know living in Germany, Greece, Holland and Belgium have said that this has been their biggest complaint about the Euro.

2. If we become a full member (taking up the Euro) then the French must never have a say in what happens in our Country. I'd rather introduce the US Dollar to the UK than have the French have a say in our Country.

21

scottwebb.co.uk,

19/11/2006 12:54:55

Does any of you geniuses know what inflation actually is?
Did you know the Bank of England is not public....its private.
The Banks print out money for pennies, then charge face value plus interest........Fractional reserve banking is the reason the house prices are so high.

22

zigzag,

Tecumseh Ontario Canada 19/11/2006 13:20:48

In for a penny
In for a pound
Is Broon burying
You in the ground?

Take up the Canadina dollar; after all we are close cousins. Dont go for that american dollar muck. Canadina dollars have much bonnie colour and pictures.

EH!

23

friendofgordon,

birmingham 19/11/2006 13:36:23

Xhile: The problem with the UK economy is the housing market. Econmic growth is measured basicaly by counting goods and services changing hands. That could be because the goods are being made in the UK and services are provided to support that manufacture. But, in the UK those goods are changing hands in shops whilst being made overseas. And the services, retailing, marketing and financial services, are there to support that shopping experience. That is, consumer spending in the UK accounts for 75% of GDP. The UK is just one shopping mall.
Consumer spending is driven by consumers perceiving wealth in their houses and borrowing against that housing value.
Inflation is defined as too much money chasing too few goods. By being able to borrow easily at low interest rates the amount of money in circulation will rise. The goods are imported and at the moment the UK has a large trade deficit. Under normal circumstances that would drive the pound down and hence those goods would cost more. Since there would be lots of borrowed money floating around price rises would be sustained and hence inflation would rise.
By hiking interest rates, in fact UK interest rates are always higher than in the EU and are always higher than inflation, it puts something of a brake on inflation by reducing borrowing. It also attracts money from exporting countries to buy government stock, This is particularly true in the US where Asian countries buy vast amounts of US T-bills. In addition, foreign companies buying UK ones means that foreign currency is sold to buy pounds. These sales of companies are measured as being investment when they are nothing of the sort. So the sale of BOC, BAA, etc. pay for those goods.
By attractingthis money it drives the pound up, the £ is now nearly 2$, and hence reduces the inflationary effects of a large trade deficit.
Money flowing into housing, which is unproductive, causes money not to flow into productive capacity. Hence the spir

24

wattie>x 1,

19/11/2006 13:57:37

One has only too look at the face in that picture at the top of this frame to understand that this man along with his partner in *legalised* should be dragged in front of a court of criminal justice.
A few years ago, they squandered millions upon millions £s in hiring medical labour from around the globe for the NHS. Now our own NHS skilled labour
are being turfed out off their jobs by heartless New Labour Party *legalised crooks* many off whom don't use the NHS since becoming Champagne socialists.
Our hospitals have become a total disgrace for Blair
and Brown's fourth richest country as they proceed to dish out money like confetti to cover up their own criminal activity when interfering by undeclared wars in countries thousands of miles from these shores.
New Labour has given the freedom we have bulit up over the centuries the kiss of death. Both of these power and glory seekers (& their brown nosed MP creeps) should be removed now, and not two years
hence, before the country attains Third World Status.
We are in a a sorry plight and its the people in the UK that must shoulder most of the blame.
The financial gap between the rich elite parasitical legalised gangsters and ordinary people become more obscene each day with this obnoxious shower from New Labour stashing their ill-gotten gains in tax free off shore havens.
We in this country should have no such thing as poor
in 2006! The UK should be a Shan-gri-la, instead the
country is speedily moving towards anarchy and being Gestapo controlled.
Ever since that fatefull day when the New York Trade centre was cruelly and shamefully destroyed, we are subjected to a DAILY DOSE of some use or other, off the word TERROR, or TERRORISTS.
London, was the only City targetted by home bred English terrorists who developed only after Blair; without our peoples support, personally took the decision too attack defenceless Iraq and supported the never ending

25

Neil,

9% Growth party 19/11/2006 14:11:12

If Brown turns out to be anti-EU, at least compared to Blair, he might might start taking on the Tories & UKIP on some of their own ground. Who knows - he might even be economicly competent enough to know that we would be better off out of the EU which costs us £50 billion annually.

26

Denis,

19/11/2006 14:12:01

Xhile, the euro interest rate is set by the European Central Bank in Frankfurt. Under the Maastricht Treaty their objective is price stability across the eurozone, but they set their own inflation target. They chose to interpret their obligation under the treaty as inflation below 2% - of course that doesn't rule out negative inflation or deflation, which until recently had been the bane of the Japanese economy for a decade or more. Gordon Brown (following in the footsteps of the Tory Chancellor Kenneth Clarke, but significantly improving on what he had done) set up the Monetary Policy Committee at the Bank of England, and initially gave them a target range of RPI-X = 1% to 4% - central target 2.5%, 1.5% margin on either side. Since then he's switched to using the EU's measure of inflation, CPI, and the central target is now 2%, 1% range on either side. So while the ECB is presumably aiming for 1% average - that's not actually certain, as they tend not to say - the MPC is aiming for 2% average.

There's quite a good explanation of all this here:

http://www.bankofengland.co.uk/education/targettwopointze...#

There are swings and roundabouts on interest rates - firstly they have to be corrected from nominal to real rates by taking off inflation, secondly the measures of inflation leave a lot to be desired, and thirdly some people benefit from lower rates but others do not.

Eg it may seem obvious that lower mortgage rates would be a good thing, but for any person that's only true to the extent that they already have a house and a (variable rate) mortgage. If they haven't yet entered the housing market, they will find that lower mortgage rates have helped to push up prices so they have to borrow more, so the amount they pay in interest is not lower, while the capital they have to repay is higher.

27

babra,

19/11/2006 14:15:02

bring back £ S D we can be a nation again

28

Buckfastleigh,

Devon 19/11/2006 15:33:54

Well done Gordon you have acknowledged we will continue your policy of keeping the £ to the corect and stable exchange rate to the € That's sensible.

Now please do us a favour and prohibit the banks from their ludicrous and extortionate policy of charging us when we buy or sell €s.

29

Buckfastleigh,

Devon 19/11/2006 15:34:10

Well done Gordon you have acknowledged we will continue your policy of keeping the £ to the corect and stable exchange rate to the € That's sensible.

Now please do us a favour and prohibit the banks from their ludicrous and extortionate policy of charging us when we buy or sell €s.

30

Arthur,

19/11/2006 16:26:06

Babra Dunno what you mean by that, If you mean a Scottish Nation then we would have to return to the Groat would we not. If British then how could we return to L.S.D. people since 1970 have not been taught how to use it. I don't see how having your own currency, of it's own determinse nationhood. It's frankly a very silly statement.

31

Alan B,

Glasgow 19/11/2006 16:30:34

Scotland should either join the euro or have its own currency. The current situation is the worst of both worlds.

The euro would give Scotland the advantage of currency stability with one off the largest markets in the world. Also removing transaction costs for trading in this market. While a Scottish currency would mean that while the currency could jump around harming exports it would allow interested rates to be set for the needs of the Scottish economy.

The pound gives us neither. The euro would actually give us an interest rate more inline with the needs of the Scottish economy than the pound. UK interest rates are generally much higher than necessary to cool the south of england and its housing market.

Also growth of the UK economy due to high levels of public expenditure and high consumer credit (both whose growth is unsustainable) have hidden a poorer performance of the economy. For instance 2million manufacturing jobs lost. There has been little debate as to whether these jobs would have been saved if we had joined the euro. The Tories in opposing the euro were hardly in a position to sing some of it merits.

At the end of the day Broon is going to stay out as it would be disaterous for him politically to do otherwise.

32

Denis,

19/11/2006 18:23:42

Alan, the euro is above all a political project. That's been openly stated by a succession of politicians, bankers and economists on the continent, as well as European Commissioners. It's been repeatedly pointed out, even by people in the UK, that there's no historical example of a currency union surviving without a political union. If I had time I'd look out some quotes. Therefore if the Scots opted for the euro they'd not only be opting to have their monetary policy set by the ECB in Frankfurt, they'd also be accepting that Scotland would be a region (or maybe regions, or parts of regions) of a pan-European State governed from Brussels. Purely on the economics, you're quite right that at present the currency union with the rest of the UK means that interest rates are often set too high for Scotland in order to keep inflation under control in south east England. But the eurozone is even further removed from being an optimum currency area, there isn't the same degree of labour mobility, and most importantly there isn't yet the pan-European government with the power to levy the necessary 20% plus of GDP as taxes for re-distribution across the currency zone to limit the growth of economic disparities. That's one reason why a pan-European government will eventually be needed if the euro is to survive. On the exchange rate, the Treasury admitted a few years ago that for the UK as a whole joining the euro would actually increase exchange rate instability, and since then our trade with the rest of the world has continued to grow more rapidly than our trade with the rest of the EU, despite the addition of 10 more countries. We've now reached the point where even the official figures show that less than half our foreign income comes from the rest of the EU, and that's without taking into account various distortions - for example, goods sent to the container port at Rotterdam to be shipped on around the world are counted as exports to the EU. As far as exchange rate stabi

33

Xhile,

England 19/11/2006 18:40:23

Thanks for the economic info which has given me a nasty headache lol.
Given that the explanations are valid, what we don't seem to have is any real hope that Brown or any other politician can do anything except manage our gradual decline into third world status.
Obviously the solutions exist (or Germany wouldn't be as successful as it is) but even more obvious is that there are extremely powerful factions in the UK that are extremely happy with the present situation.

34

mv,

19/11/2006 18:48:09

Scotland should join the euro, let Mr Brown decide for England as England's leader.....Scotland a modern european country along side the Sweden, Denmark Ireland etc... With current Labour policy England might as well be aligned with the US...

35

Denis,

19/11/2006 19:55:38

Denmark and Sweden are not in the euro - it was rejected in referendums - and many of the Irish now regret that Ireland is in the euro!

36

EWB,

UK 19/11/2006 20:03:12

If we join the euro, we shall lost the last vestige of sovereignty that we maintain, given the amount of legislation that otherwise is incorporated into British law and emanates from the EU (some 70%). Once in, never out! As Denis #34 rightly points out, the euro is a political project. For a precedent, look at mid-19th century Germany. There, the Zollverein (a Customs Union, which is what the EU is) enabled the various German states using a common currency to trade with ease. The Zollverein was a fundamental step towards German unification. The euro is intended to serve as the currency of a united federal Europe.
If an independent Scotland enters the eurozone, it will exchange the Bank of England for the European Central Bank and will be an even smaller player in the EU than it is as a partner of England in the UK.
Capital Kid #3: as for Dollar being in Scotland, isn't it in the Stirling (Sterling) area?

37

Hamilton,

19/11/2006 21:49:05

Priorities? First, the EU political area should improve its stewardship of public finances. The auditors have now qualified the EU accounts for twelve years in a row, which suggests that the stewardship of billions of pounds of taxpayers' public funds is a farce. Incidentally, the member states are mainly responsible for any waste - they spend three quarters of EU money.

38

Bret,

New York 20/11/2006 00:26:00

Wake Up Brown and get the UK off its uncompetitive butt. All that will happen is more UK jobs will float to India because the UK pound is so high against the rest of world currencies.
How does that make the UK competitive in a global market? Trade on a competitive footing...not an overpriced one.

39

Bret,

New York 20/11/2006 00:32:47

Denis #37. Please educate us as to exactly how many Irish citizens regret joing the euro please. What are your sources?
Thank you.

40

RedKite,

Inverness 20/11/2006 00:57:14

Gordon Brown like the PMs awful wife says is useless. He needs to be challenged by more able MPs so that he doesn't gain power. John Reid although untested as yet is probably the best candidate and is Scottish but if he doesn't win the hot seat and Brown does, vote for the Mickey Mouse party which has more credibility than Labour ; yes they do exist, I have thrown my hat in the ring - vote for me!

41

bill-alba,

fife 20/11/2006 10:42:51

Euro or Pound...makes no difference both are foreign currencies..

42

Phil C,

Fife 22/11/2006 02:30:17

Let's hope this eejit never holds the reins of power!

43

siusaidh,

23/11/2006 01:11:14

Who'd really want the euro...?
No me anyway, haven't for 18 years...no intend to change now.

44

Phil C,

25/11/2006 11:12:33

There's no difference between the Euro or any other currency. You can spend Euros in the shops now and many already carry them in their wallets & purses!!


 

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