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Published Date:
01 December 2007
EDINBURGH'S suicide blackspots have been revealed, leading to calls for urgent action to tackle deprivation in the city.
The number of people attempting to take their own life in the Capital's poorest areas is massively above the Scottish average, according to the latest figures.

Community leaders said that while millions of pounds were ploughed into deprived parts of Glasgow, Edinburgh was often overlooked for social funding.

In Granton each year, the number of people admitted to hospital after attempting suicide is 169 per cent above the Scottish average, while in Craigmillar it is 167 per cent. Areas such as Leith, Wester Hailes and Stenhouse also feature high on the list.

Forth councillor Elizabeth Maginnis, whose ward covers Granton, said people in the area were being overlooked in favour of the west of Scotland and she called for publicly-funded projects tackling issues like public health, poor housing and poverty to remember the problems in Edinburgh.

She said: "Just because the scale is bigger [in the west of Scotland], the intensity here remains the same. It seems that people plough millions of pounds into redeveloping these areas of Glasgow where the figures are high and just assume that Edinburgh is fine.

"Part of the problem is down to selling Edinburgh so well as a prosperous, successful city over the last few years.

"People used to refer to the city as a series of villages but I think now it is definitely divided into two parts; the side that is successful and wealthy and the side that wants to be."

Only two areas in Glasgow - Dalmarnock (292 per cent above) and Drumchapel (216 per cent above) - were worse for suicide attempts than Granton and Craigmillar. Ayr had the highest ratio of suicide attempts in Scotland with 313 per cent.

The Health Scotland figures suggest around 550 people attempt suicide in Edinburgh every year and are admitted to hospital as a result, although it is not clear how many actually succeed in taking their own life.

The figures also show that wealthier areas such as Morningside, Ravelston and Currie are way below the Scottish average.

Councillor Maginnis said the massive regeneration of the waterfront area - where many of the new homes are expensive flats - would not help the current population.

Portobello/Craigmillar councillor Mike Bridgeman agreed that addressing some of the social divisions in Edinburgh would help people in his ward.

He said: "My view is that if people have low self-esteem about where they are and their surroundings they perhaps think there's no other way out.

"Part of the way to address this is to rebuild the area, get it up and at them, and have it thriving again to give people more confidence about where they are."

Samaritans volunteer Bernie McIntosh said: "Sometimes problems can come at once and seem harder to deal with, and if you have poor social contact, low income and poorer circumstances this can seem so much harder."

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  • Last Updated: 01 December 2007 12:50 PM
  • Source: Edinburgh Evening News
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Social Work
 
1

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01/12/2007 12:32:21
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2

alex paterson,

embra 01/12/2007 12:33:00

Deprivation in Granton,who owns all the fancy cars,social workers,nah.

3

mildred,

Philadelphia PA USA 01/12/2007 13:13:55

There are deep pockets of poverty in every city-yet suicide is not listed as the major choice of escape out of those circumstances. Drugs-yes. Crime-yes. Homelessness, prostitution,=yes. Mass suicide? I think your folks (as usual) have chosen an easy, glib way out to "analyze" the problem. Much cheaper, simpler to state the "obvious" fault is socio=economic. For egregious statistics on suicide? Sorry-that just doesn't wash. Get some real folks in there to determine what drugs, what suicide pacts among friends, ages, genders- you know-do some real work . That is, if anyone really cares.

4

Calum Gilhooley,

Edinburgh 01/12/2007 13:39:48

Mildred - can't make any sense at all out of your comment. Are you a religious nutter?

5

Paul Voltaire,

01/12/2007 13:49:59

Winter in Granton.
How low can you sink?

6

Canny Fifer,

I'm not sure... 01/12/2007 13:50:21

Re #3...Just like the press in the USA, huh?!

Whatever happened to real investigative reporting?!


PS You're right - perhaps no one cares about thoroughgoing analyses for the determination of truth, freedom of the press, democracy...

7

Artemis,

Embra 01/12/2007 14:07:08

Poverty and ill-health go hand in hand, and that includes mental health.

8

Ninian Reid,

Edinburgh 01/12/2007 14:12:13

A desperately sad state of affairs. We should be - collectively - ashamed of ourselves for allowing ghettos of wrist-slashing despair to become a feature of our society.

9

michael w,

japan 01/12/2007 15:37:01

the less junkies the better

10

Mario 2.0 (at home),

01/12/2007 17:14:31

Its called Darwinism and it cant be stopped.

Its up to the individual.

11

Mario 2.0 (at home),

01/12/2007 17:15:04

Are the rest of us supposed to put our lives on hold and pay all our wages to deadbeats ? discuss.

12

Artemis,

Embra 01/12/2007 17:15:53

#12 - it's a vicious cycle. Poverty, ill health and lack of education combine and trap people in it forever, generation after generation. Some people have the luck, self-determination, opportunity and insight to find a way out, other people can't do it without help. And far too many people just want to leave them to it, saying they're not worth the effort.

13

Mario 2.0 (at home),

01/12/2007 17:26:56

Lifes a competition , maybe it shouldnt be, but there will always be winners and losers.

14

nurse ratched,

The Styx 01/12/2007 17:35:03

I hear what you're saying Mario.

You can offer help to people, but in the end they need to help themselves. Whether you're talking giving up drugs, drink, overeating, stopping smoking, getting out of debt - whatever - you need to help yourself.

15

Ghost Of Scotland Past,

01/12/2007 17:51:45

18) Very astute observation on Mario's problems are you perhaps a forensic Psychologist.
If so would you not find it interesting to discover where
in the general Gene pool he would place himself, personally I think somewhere near Daph(t)nia. They
are low on cellular differentiation thus possessing no structures that would equate to either heart or brain in higher life forms.

16

Rami,

New Hampshire 01/12/2007 18:43:20

Are there know inztatootions?
Are there no workhouz's?

17

Loki - The Scourge of the Schemies,

EH1 01/12/2007 19:02:03

>Artemis......lack of education

The 'lack of education' argument is specious.
Education is there for all and I have some professional knowlege of it.
That some (perhaps even many in certain city areas) choose to be disruptive rather than be educated is their personal choice. Having made such a choice it is not the fault of government, local or national, that so many are unemployable and therefore consigned to relative poverty. Their later 'victim status' bleatings cuts no ice with me.

18

Rod,

Ramsay Terrace 01/12/2007 19:44:40

|| 3 || Shameful that just down the road they are selling flats for hundreds of thousands of pounds.

Why?
I recently purchased 3 new properties in the area with a view to renting to corporate clients. It is known as making a living and, at age 50, I intend taking my profits and retiring to my 7 hectare estate in Cyprus.
I built my business and investment portfolio not by whining for municipal / government handouts or by seeking to blame everyone but me for my mistakes (and sometimes, stupidity) but by sheer hard work.
There will always be a requirement for skivvies /menials. Many people as described in the feature and not suited to much more than cleaning up the dog turds.

19

karin.m,

01/12/2007 19:52:49

"Calls for action on suicide blackspots"

I know wendy is going to get the boot but really does it depress some of the unionist labour supporters that much. I realise labour is in meltdown but now that the snp are brining in free prescription all the depressed labour supporters can get medication without having to worry about the cost as they would have had to under labour.

20

Artemis,

Embra 01/12/2007 20:43:26

#21 - it's not as simple as that, though, is it? The kids who do best at school are the kids whose parents encourage them, who read to them, who make sure they do their homework, who make sure they go to school. Not everyone has the good fortune to be born to parents like that. There's plenty of research about how poverty and ignorance and lack of education and ill-health replicate themselves down the generations and people don't always have the wherewithal to get out of it without outside help.

21

sneaky squirrel,

hmp saughton 01/12/2007 21:17:26

I think the majority of you out there are talking a load of garbage,

Do you honestly think that buy pouring millions into these deprived areas its going to make one tiny bit of difference,no way, these scumbags would rip up, or rip out anything that wasnt bolted to the floor for there tiny little bit of smack, the best thing the developers can do is knock the place down with the residents still in there houses

22

Ghost Of Scotland Past,

01/12/2007 21:40:01

26) My 87 year old aunt lives in Granton and I suspect in the street pictured. She is a god fearing, law abiding kindly old soul who has worked hard all her life, never been out of work between the ages of 14 and 60 and the only state benefit she has ever taken is her rightful pension, She now owns her council house and that was a struggle especially after the company she retired from went bust and withdrew her occupational pension, presumably so that the former directors could afford to scamper of to their estates in cyprus with the ill gotten gains off the backs of employees like her. She is not a worthless chav, vandal, or junkie and deserves better than what she has. So before the majority of you supercillious, selfrighteous, ignorant, shallow, snobs on here slander her name and the name of those like her further, remember that it is your fellow humans you speak of and you belittle your trite perfect little selves with these sweeping generalisations. She is neither poor nor suicidal, neither is she rich or judgemental she just does and gets on with life like so many of her generation do.
The generation who bought subsequent generations their freedom to criticise and belittle and really stuff them but good. You make me sick, there but for fortune go you or I.

23

Dreamnine,

Edinburgh 01/12/2007 21:48:05

As if money would make one bit of difference. And to Mr property magnate: You are only leasing your properties until you die- can't take any of it with you.

24

mooseloose,

01/12/2007 21:54:37

Well said 27#

as for Rod - thank **** I am not you!

25

Ghost Of Scotland Past,

01/12/2007 21:55:38

28) The assumption which is apparently being made by many on this board is that it is all worthless people whom we all should hold in some disdain such as junkies, schemies, vandals, chavs, etc. Whereas it is people who are more knowledgable, intelligent, caring,
and concerned about society who are more likely to take their own lives. The former being ignorant of such matters, innured to their condition, and oblivious of all the ills which the rest of us purport to care about.

26

Dreamnine,

Edinburgh 01/12/2007 22:06:03

Who knows why people suicide, or attempt to? The article may as well ask why Thursdays in May are favoured in Northern Europe.

27

Rod,

Ramsay Terrace 01/12/2007 23:06:36

||28|| You are only leasing your properties until you die- can't take any of it with you.

Not leasing unto death but until I decide to covert my property portfolio into invested and managed cash. The invested cash plus its growth over the years will ensure a very comfortable life for my daughter when the Reaper calls to collect me.
Not 'taking it with me' is not unique to me. It will also affect you in due course.

28

Rod,

Ramsay Terrace 01/12/2007 23:08:24

||29|| s for Rod - thank **** I am not you!

You have my most earnest assurance that I am very glad you are not me.

29

Bill Payer,

Silverknowes 01/12/2007 23:26:08

I blame the so called 'community workers'. Cloud cukooland and socialist utopia come to mind. Pity that they are so useless, and have done nothing to help the poor downtrodden 'victims'in the council estates.

1000 job cuts coming and the Council must chop these useless agitators first.

30

Mario 2.0 (at home),

01/12/2007 23:31:00

I might have cam across as a bit harsh earlier. I'm not from the most salubrious of backgrounds and flirted with suidice myself when i was younger.

Its a long hard road, some will not make it. Harsh but true.

Still I wish them all luck but the world owes no-one anything.

31

Mario 2.0 (at home),

01/12/2007 23:31:27

suicide even , suidice sounds like a japanese card game.

32

Mario 2.0 (at home),

01/12/2007 23:34:39

27 , maybe your gran shouldve worked smarter instead of harder.

She chose her own path, but im glad you hear you love her and admire her.

33

Flying Upsidedown,

... 02/12/2007 00:12:28

News4u : In the post @13 you suggest that spending more money would make things better. I remember posts in this very newspaper over the years about all the various money poured into various schemes for 'deprived' areas of Edinburgh. The various scandals and problems of lost money and scandals over mis-spending of large amounts of money were also well reported along with all the resignations and problems with the groups, in the areas and run by the locals being disbanded, broken up or funding stopped due to the problems.

Why should the hard working tax payers slog to fund the people of the areas when the people of the areas concerned cannot even administer the funds set up for them?

In post 25 You state 'an awful lot of the problems are directly attributable to duff policies of successive governments' why must government be blame? Why should other people have to bail out the residents of these 'deprived' areas? Surely some blame must be taken by the people where the problem starts. If it was duff policies why are there areas of housing in the city where there is little deprivation, do you think there is a conspiricy to have wealthy and poor people segragated?

34

langtonian,

scotus 02/12/2007 01:07:09

#27Ghost Of Scotland Past
Hit all the right buttons, rang all the right bells with an A1 comment.
#30
Can not agree with your basic analysis as to which section of the community is the most vulnerable to suicide.

Quote-"In vain do you seek repose from beds of roses:in vain do you hope for enjoyment from the most delicious wines and fruits. Your indolence itself becomes a fatigue;your pleasure itself creates disgust mind ,unexercised, finds every delight insipid and loathsome;and ere yet the body, full of noxiouse humours, feels the torment of its multiplied diseases, your nobler part is sensible of the invading poison, and seeks in vain to relieve its anxiety by new pleasure, which still augments the fatal malady."-unquote

Being Edinburgh born and educated David Hume (1711-1776) in a essay-"The Stoic or The Man Of Action And Virtue"was trying to address a similar problem, in Edinburgh approximately 250 years ago.

Somethings in life,apparently do not change and remain in most large cities and towns to this day.

35

John Knox for First Meenister,

High St, Embra 02/12/2007 02:03:06

#10 More has to be done for Edinburgh's poorest communities to stop people taking their own lives


Totally! More! More of .....

36

COLINTON.MAINS,

canada/toronto 02/12/2007 03:26:20

you.want..to.see.poverty.visit.detroit.usa

37

S.A.M,

no there 02/12/2007 08:07:06

I think the suicide rate is so high, not only due to poverty & mental health issues but mostly down to bullying & intimidation from the local Mr bigs & their cronnies & anyone else who cared to join the band waggon (The bully pleasers, hoping they might not be the next victim).

38

c mains hibby,

colinton 02/12/2007 09:00:41

#42 you should see Colinton mains now ,its getting like Granton Niddrie Wester Hailes etc with all the dhss scum bags moving in to rented accomadation

39

Ghost Of Scotland Past,

02/12/2007 10:36:24

26) I had a strong urge to ask for this to be removed,
but on reflection it as adequately countered by some of the following responses leaving it as it stands just shows this ignoramous up for the sick insignificant troll
he really is.

40

hassan i sabbah,

02/12/2007 11:37:13

I am sure if i was going to take my own life I would consider taking someone like the lovely "rod"with me !

41

Klaus Dubois,

Edinburgh 02/12/2007 13:06:25

I think more would probably not contemplate suicide if the over-zealous social theorists out there hadn't convinced them they were all victims & helpless creations of societal ills. The do-gooders have had a good few decades now of creating dependents & the role of 'social work' has to be re-examined. All rihts & no responsibilities. Despite all the initiatives we've got more drug dependency, crime, child abuse, etc... than ever. You've failed. Now go away & let some folk with commonsense address the mess you've left.

42

Keith Mac,

Edinburgh 02/12/2007 13:51:21

Brilliantly put Ghost Of Scotland past. Thank God there are still some human beings who contribute to this rag.

43

xxxxxxx,

edin 02/12/2007 16:21:42

i completely dissagree

44

Ghost Of Scotland Past,

02/12/2007 16:26:30

50 What with ?

45

Brian Ferrari,

02/12/2007 17:44:12

What's on telly tonight?

46

Calum Gilhooley,

Detroit 02/12/2007 20:25:20

# 42

what.does.that.have.to.do.with.the.above.story.?

47

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03/12/2007 01:47:45
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socialhandgrenade,

new zealand 03/12/2007 04:52:30

mario~well sayed,losers make excuses and winners make it hapn.Theres more 2 suicides than poor housing ie smack and crack,and the list goes on.Poor housings a lame excuse

49

eric,

Lothian 03/12/2007 08:01:08

Most folk in Edinburgh struggle to make ends meet ,
And most live in these areas anyway,Edinburgh being a very small city,with so much depravation,
All we ever hear about is our lovely castle bagpipes tartan etc etc etc,We can window dress all we like.

50

Stan1,

Edinburgh 03/12/2007 11:26:53

This is an article that actually tells us nothing. What does "169 percent above the average" actually mean? What is the average? How many people are we talking about? 500 or 2? This is the same as when Edinburgh was called the HIV capital of Europe, on paper it looked awful but actually the figures were minascule.

Could the Scotsman please actually print the actual figures so we can all read how bad the situation actually is?

I also disagree that people in poorer areas are more likely to attempt suicide. Problems are problems no matter where you are, rich or poor I don't think it makes a difference. People that I have known who have attempted suicide have lived in one of Edinburgh's most prestigious postcodes.

51

JDK,

Leith 03/12/2007 11:51:41

YOU JUDGE A SOCIETY BY HOW WELL IT LOOKS AFTER IT'S MOST VULNERABLE MEMBERS.

EDINBURGH/SCOTLAND = CIVILISED???????

52

JDK,

Leith 03/12/2007 12:02:26

Let it also be noted that there is a very real difference between attempted suicide' and 'actual suicide'.


 

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