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Published Date: 05 June 2009
LABOUR'S senior Scottish Euro MP warned that his party is in for a "very bad day" when the European election results are announced.
David Martin, one of two Scots Labour MEPs seeking re- election, admitted his party could be overtaken by the SNP in Scotland and might end up with ten seats or fewer across the whole of the UK.

His comments reflected the general pessimism within the party that the expenses scandal, combined with disillusionment after 12 years of government, would see the party punished by the electorate.

Polling stations opened at 7am yesterday and closed at 10pm. Early indications suggested that turnout was low – even below the 31 per cent recorded in 2004 – a factor that could benefit smaller parties such as UKip.

Mr Martin said the election was "very difficult" to predict and Labour might suffer disproportionately from the Westminster expenses row as the party of government. The mood on the doorstep was for disenchanted Labour voters to stay at home, rather than switch to another party, he said.

"Labour voters are saying, 'Yes, I'm normally Labour, I will be Labour again, but I don't know if I'm going to vote on Thursday'," he said. "My prediction is that the SNP probably will come out with the largest share of the vote because Labour voters have stayed at home."

Of UK-wide situation, he said: "From speaking to colleagues south of the Border, I think it's going to be a very bad day for Labour on Sunday. We could be down as low as ten or 11 seats in England, perhaps 14 overall in the UK – we are currently 19."

In Glasgow only 4 per cent of people had cast their votes by lunchtime, although the figure did not include postal votes.

A council spokesman said: "It would be fair to say that voting has not been particularly brisk."

With Scotland's tally of Euro seats falling from seven to six, the campaign was already destined to be a game of political musical chairs even before the row over Westminster MPs' expenses. Labour is fighting to keep first place in the share of the popular vote in Scotland, while the SNP is determined to eject it from that slot.

A total of 72 candidates are vying to become Scotland's Euro MPs, and the final outcome will not be known until Monday, when the Western Isles result is announced. The Greens say a poll commissioned by the party puts them third on 18 per cent, behind Labour at 22 per cent and the SNP on 29 per cent.

In Edinburgh 322,000 were eligible to vote and 172 polling stations were open. Voting was described as "slow".

John Curtice, professor of politics at Strathclyde University, said the European election campaign had been "completely overshadowed by national politics. There hasn't been a campaign.

"People don't see the point in voting because they don't see the link between the election and what comes out in policy."

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1

Angus Ogg,

04/06/2009 22:44:00
Gerri Peev,

You're a bit slow on the breaking news.

Cabinet Minister James Purnell just resigned. Not just resigned but told the PM directly to resign.

So your assertion that Gordon Brown has any breathing space is lagging a wee bit. If Gordon Brown was a diver he would either have the bends or be in a hyperbarric chamber !!!

With Purnell resigning then fellow Blairite Cabinet Minister David Milliband will either have to put up or shut up, especially after last year's pretendy Milliband - will he or wont he - stand against Brown affair.

My bet is David Milliband WILL follow Purnell out of the door of Number 10, and the 72 Labour MP names will then sign the motion and trigger a Labour Leadership election.

The game is almost up for McAvities Cat.

So the Upper House should make a new place for Lord Brown of Ditheringham :@)
2

Scotindy,

Los Angeles 05/06/2009 00:12:20
Oh dear here is the start of the liebor POSTAL VOTES. Roll on the Referendum on INDEPENDENCE and FINALLY GET RID OF THIS PATHETIC UNION WITH england. How can any sane person wish to be part of this mess is beyond me.
INDEPENDENCE AT ANY COST....................
3

brianmca3,

auld reekie 05/06/2009 00:24:22
when i cast my vote at teatime ,i asked if they had been busy,its been very quiet i was told,so if hard core labour voters only came out,im afraid that shower of banditos will see it as a clear mandate to govern
lack of voters could keep these maggots munching at the trough for another 12 months
4

Observer,,

Glasgow 05/06/2009 00:26:42
2 Rufus I reckon all bets are temporarily off.
5

hoblar,

05/06/2009 00:46:02
Kinghob exclusive:

James Purnell's resignation letter in full

Dear Gordon

We both love the Labour Party.

I have worked for it for 20 years and you for far longer.

We know we owe it everything and it owes us nothing.

I owe it to our party to say what I believe no matter how hard that may be.

I now believe your continued leadership makes a Conservative victory more, not less, likely.

That would be disastrous for our country.

This moment calls for stronger regulation, an active state, better public services, and open democracy.

It calls for a government that measures itself by how it treats the poorest in society.

Those are our values, not David Cameron's.

We therefore owe it to our country to give it a real choice.

We need to show that we are prepared to fight to be a credible government and have the courage to offer an alternative future.

I am therefore calling on you to stand aside to give our party a fighting chance of winning.

As such I am resigning from government.

The party was long before us and we want it to be here long after we've gone.

We must do the right thing by it.

I am not seeking the leadership nor acting with anyone else.

My actions are my own considered view, nothing more.

If the consensus is that you should continue then I will support the government loyally from the backbenches but I do believe that this question now needs to be put.

James Purnell


Beat the Hootsman to it! lol
6

hoblar,

05/06/2009 00:48:43
Mr martin said: "Labour voters are saying, 'Yes, I'm normally Labour, I will be Labour again, but I don't know if I'm going to vote on Thursday'," he said. "My prediction is that the SNP probably will come out with the largest share of the vote because Labour voters have stayed at home."

Aye?

Dream taxi for the Hootsmon more like.
7

Iainbroch,

05/06/2009 00:49:33
What is the evidence for articles claim?
8

Darien,

Panama 05/06/2009 00:51:48
"David Martin, one of two Scots Labour MEPs seeking re- election"

David Martin = over 20 years of doing zip for Scotland. That is David Martin's and New Labour's legacy. Quislings all. Fe** off.
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Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 05/06/2009 01:01:23


When I received my voting card I sat it on the lounge coffee table.
After 3days, I was sick of seeing it lie there.
On the 4day, I 'Picked-it-up-and-ripped-it-up', this made me feel better, as on the 4th day I classed it as rubbish, after 'ripping-it-up, the said polling card was promptly put into my Tesco shopping bag, which get used to hold rubbish, this being in my kitchen, where it hung from a cupboard door handle.
As Morning called the next day, I took my Tesco's rubbish bag, with the ripped polling card, to the said chute used for disposing of your rubbish, as I heard it falling down the said 'chute', I felt all the better knowing it landed in the 'Big-Bin-Below', to-which, our King Council empty and take you said rubbish away to some sort of 'land-fill'.
Knowing that I had handled this operation with a high degree of intelligence, I also never needed to shift my rear, to the polling station, a Journey that will never Benefit Me!

And the Reason for this Action?

NOT-ONE Political Party, made the 'Effort-to-Impress'!

Soo NONE get My Vote!


10

Flabskin,

05/06/2009 01:12:48
"In Glasgow only 4 per cent of people had cast their votes by lunchtime, although the figure did not include postal votes..."

60% turnout in Glasgow...
11

Edward,

05/06/2009 01:28:11
#10 Charles Linskaill
Know how you feel, but you should have voted
12

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 05/06/2009 01:42:08

Edward ~12,

It is the first time in a long time, that I never cast my vote!
To-be quite Honest I did not Know who to Vote-For, none of our Political Party's, made any effort to come on Television or the Newspapers, to say what their aim was!

Being *Complacent* and *Arrogant*, and Expecting you Vote for Nothing, Deserves *NOTHING*!

13

somerferg,

perth 05/06/2009 01:50:44

I have only one thing to say about this headline - I HOPE SO !!!
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Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 05/06/2009 02:03:43

This would of Never Ever happened in the days of Margaret Thatcher!

She would of been up-there "giving it laldey"!!

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Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 05/06/2009 02:08:07

Bring Back the Spirit!, Bring Back our Politician's, with,...'Ooomph.

They are all like 'little-mice' these day's!

16

Iainbroch,

05/06/2009 02:17:00
re16

Dont you mean like Rats?
17

missing home,

la verne 05/06/2009 03:20:41
Charles Linksall, I thought you and your dyw lived in Canada? When did you move to Emra?
18

missing home,

la verne 05/06/2009 03:21:32
Sorry, should be Embra, of course. ;-)
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Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 05/06/2009 03:29:13

missing home, 19,

No! My DYW and I have always lived in the 'Heart-of-Scotland'!


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Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 05/06/2009 03:32:11

Iainbroch ~17,

Yes!, that Would be more Accurate!



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Angoos,

Baku, Azerbaijan 05/06/2009 05:26:19
#10 Charles

"Knowing that I had handled this operation with a high degree of intelligence"

Not very intelligent sending your Tesco bag to the landfill is it ? Think the Greens will be wishing they had paid you a visit to not only get your vote but to try to change your ways ;-)
22

innesm,

Austin 05/06/2009 05:53:57
While the European election results probably don't mean much practically, they are symbolically significant. Salmond was in fighting mood at FMQs yesterday, and with good reason. Ian Gray and Annabel Goldie can complain all they want about Salmond's bluster but he sure can beat them black & blue with their own abysmal records.
23

gus1940,

Edinburgh 05/06/2009 06:20:26
I don't know if my age is affecting my memory but as I recollect - when voting yesterday morning all the polling clerks did was score my name out on the electoral list and tear a ballot paper out of the book and hand it to me.

Has the practice of embossing each ballot paper before issuing it been discontinued?

I had always regarded that as a security measure to lessen the risk of the stuffing of ballot boxes.
24

Flabskin,

05/06/2009 06:50:16
Anybody see the results of the Scotsman Poll?

SNP - 445
Other - 83
Tories - 73
Libdems - 48
Labour - 34

After counting of postal votes Labour were up to 446...
25

Phillip,

05/06/2009 07:18:09
Labour needn't worry. I'm sure once the Postal Votes are counted and the corrupt officials add in votes from graveyards (since we wouldn't want to disenfranchise deceased Labour supporters) many of the Labour MEPs will keep their seats. LOL
26

morris,

edinburgh 05/06/2009 07:29:41
The BBC (British Brainwashing Corporation) report gains from the SNP (which is good news for Labour).2 council seats to be exact.

Is that so? In a couple of hours from now, early indications are that Labour have almost been wiped out in many parts of the country. Overall it suggests Brown will be gone by Monday.
Ian Gray and the Numpties will no doubt hail this as a fighhtback!

25 I hope you are not suggesting that Labour would interfere with the democratic process! You need a brain to do that!
27

Gazzza,

05/06/2009 07:37:09
Scotindy, what a cheek, talking about Scotland and independence from the Union. You love Scotland so much that you live in California.

Scotland is part of the Union, just like Northern Ireland, Wales and England and will be for many years to come. Why don't you just get on with being in one of the "United" States of America...............or do you want independence for California as well.
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morris,

edinburgh 05/06/2009 07:40:21
I thought I heard a comment on the national news last night that some English polling stations closed at 7pm. You cannot be serious surely!Does anybody know if this can possibly be correct? Surely NOT!
Many people would be forced into a postal vote in this instance if that is true (but it could be my failure to understand some English accents of course).If by some total absurdity this is correct you have to ask WHAT THE ?
This could only serve to inconvenience the electorate and would automatically raise the conspiracy theorists and rightly so.It must be ten but pronounced seven to an untrained Scottish ear.
29

Jimmy Le Pie,

05/06/2009 07:45:58
#28 Gazzza,

Did not the United States become the United States by telling great britain to stick their empire and their Butchers Flag where it is dark and smelly????


Or are you stupider than you sound????
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morris,

edinburgh 05/06/2009 07:50:34
26 Scotland is what the people say she is and if they say she becomes independent then she is!That is the same democratic process which says she is part of the Union .
At the moment the party that you presumably support has all but been anihalated,and she can live anywhere she likes,She would still be a SCOT by birth and maybe she would return to her homeland if it were governed properly!
It matters not.Living on foreign shores does not remove ones entitlement to an opinion ,but support of a party which has just been fried suggests that you are living in cloud cuckoo land! We dont even intend to exclude you!
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morris,

edinburgh 05/06/2009 07:51:46
31 is meant for 28 Apologies
32

Fifi la Bonbon,

05/06/2009 07:53:34
#29 - I am sure that it is possible that you thought you heard that on the news. If you did it just proves what I have always believed.
33

Dave From Barra,

Western Isles 05/06/2009 07:54:14
Charles

The "Heart-of-Scotland" is Perth and Kinross district, not Edinburgh.

This casts further doubt on your legitimacy and claim you have a DIY wife.

Anyways, Lie-bore are finished. GB will hold off a GE for as long as possible to regroup and garnier some confidence. What GB hasn't reckoned on is an alluring fact about the Scots. We have long memories. It's a generational thing.....
34

McMillar,

Fife 05/06/2009 07:55:37
#12 - Charles. Ha ha good point and reminds me of last week. As a postal voter I had my papers sitting on the kitchen table for several days before could muster up the interest to mark a box and return. Barely a name I knew and certainly zero erroft made to campaign. Still thought I had better vote but it was 50/50 for a while.
35

Fifi la Bonbon,

05/06/2009 07:57:31
When I voted yesterday I noticed that the pencils were all attached to the polling box by a piece of string.

The string was very short - possibly to prevent use as a weapon - but it was attached to the right corner of the booth. This caused great difficulties to me as a left handed person.

The proper authorities need to be informed and take action. Otherwise it could put left handed people off from voting and possibly usher in undemocratic forces leading to takeover by a dictator government.

For evil to win all that is needed is for good people to do nothing,
36

missing home,

la verne 05/06/2009 07:58:37
Gazzza, those of us who don't live in Scotland for whatever reason, still love and care - and call her home. Perhaps we have a more objective view about what would be best for her. I'm coming home for a visit this summer and wish I could stay. Apart from my children and inlaws, all my family are there, so yes, we do worry and want her to flourish!
I'm in California too, you'd be amazed how many Scots are here.
No matter the outcome of independence, I hope the latest shenanigans will break the stranglehold Labour has had on Scotland for far too many years...talk about a free ride? Oh, we don't have to prove ourselves in Scotland...that's a given Labour vote!
37

morris,

edinburgh 05/06/2009 07:59:14
33
Excuse me for asking but what have you always believed?
You could be meaning a number of things here.
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dunedin bully wee 1877,

05/06/2009 08:11:23
Another day, another opinion poll.

The YouGov poll for The Telegraph conducted on 2nd to 3rd June 2009 sampled 410 people in Scotland.

Questioned on voting intentions for the Westminster Election respondents expressed the following preferences (change from 2005);

SNP 33% (+15%)
Lab 25% (-15%)
Con 18% (+2%)
LD 16% (-7%)
Oth 10% (+8%)

Questioned on voting intentions for the European Election respondents expressed the following preferences (change from 2004);

SNP 31% (+12%)
Lab 22% (-4%)
Con 14% (-6%)
LD 17% (+4)
Grn 5% (-2)
Oth 11% (-2%)

39

Draco Was a Wimp,

Edinburgh 05/06/2009 08:11:49
#34 Dave From Barra

Long time, no see. Where have you been? Off fighting with the French Foreign Legion or perhaps a secret mission for the CIA? With your Munchhausen-like past, you've a cheek to cast doubt on anyone's legitimacy.
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morris,

edinburgh 05/06/2009 08:19:03
37 Whilst I wish you every success it has been clear to me that we lost many of our brightest and most patriotic Scots to foreign shores over the decades,and how anyone could criticise people who felt that they had to leave these shores to further their lives is a disgrace. You are and will always be welcomed home with open arms,and the sooner and more often the better as far as the SNP is concerned. Far from criticising ,we owe you an apology for allowing our country to sink as low as she has.We will NOT do so again!This weekend is the start of the process of secession. The Labour Party is finished as a credible UK force,and their hold on Scotland could not be less secure than it is now with most people ridiculing Labour now.
41

Dave From Barra,

Western Isles 05/06/2009 08:19:25
Hi failure @40

Like I give a f_kc what a non entity such as yourself thinks.

See ya. :-)
42

brianmca3,

auld reekie 05/06/2009 08:30:14
watch as labour return MEPs in scotland,as they made sure local support was either posted in or went to vote
i was the only one in voting yesterday tea time
it had been quiet all day,so when labour get the trough feeders back in,those who did not vote cant moan about it
also paper had a load of names at each party box,i asked why this was,and even they did not know ,all they knew was one cross only
bad show when those there to seek fair play dont even know what the paper is about
prob bankers paid to sit all day
43

Publius,

London 05/06/2009 08:38:43
Good Morning Morris
One of your posts (don't know which) referred to the English local elections. In the English counties Labour is headed for its biggest disaster ever - wipe out in many places. Local elections are a much better predictor of general election results than Euro elections.
Have you got the link to the two by-elections in Scottish councils? I'd like to have a look.
Cheers
Pub
44

Draco Was a Wimp,

Edinburgh 05/06/2009 08:42:25
#42 Dave

I'm hurt but take care of yourself anyway. It must be a dangerous life being Mossad's man in the Western Isles.

45

morris,

edinburgh 05/06/2009 08:58:25
43 As someone who once was "on duty" as a polling clerk many years ago,(but I was a local government officer),and also an activist ,and fully aware of the typical turn out at Euros which is at best low ,coupled to living in a ward which traditionally returns one of Scotland's highest percentages of votes cast,I was shocked to hear from the polling clerk that she had only recorded a figure of the order of 150 and this was already mid afternoon! If the results in Scotland are dramatically different to the total wipe out which definitely exists in parts of England,we will indeed have to demand an enquiry into what has been going on.
We know that a North South divide has existed for a while,but Glenrothes raised eyebrows and faith in any aspect of our democracy is now zero!
Something has to change and its before Monday !

The two results in so far (council wards) saw Labour take the seats from the SNP. Mind you they were in Strathclyde where even the locals admit if you stick a red rosette on a monkey they will probably elect it in some wards!David Martin lied to the entire nation about Scotland being thrown out of the EU if she became independent.There are parts of Scotland where they are proud of being Labour under any circumstances!
Thank God not all of Scotland (or even Glasgow) is like that!
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morris,

edinburgh 05/06/2009 09:01:37
44 Sorry I heard this on early morning radio scotland (yes I do listen to the BBC but only because the other stations are a juke box only).However if I do come across any useful info rest assured I shall have my usual difficulty keeping my big mouth shut! You will be the first to know !
47

missing home,

la verne 05/06/2009 09:02:41
Morris, thank you. Though I'm here by choice it's not by preference.
From your lips to God's ears re secession. Labour needed a good wake up call, but I see they won Drumchapel / Anniesland. I will never understand why Glasgow stays loyal, it's one of the poorest, worst health, worst run places in Britain...though, as I said before, why put in any effort if they'll blindly keep you in power? Sad.
48

Linda,

Edinburgh 05/06/2009 09:30:56
Labour did win 2 seats where SNP member had given up (one to concentrate on duties as MP.. the other I think passed away). But in Coatbridge there was a 5% swing to SNP and in Drumchapel a 10% swing to SNP.
So SNP still improving on the historic 2007 result despite losing two council seats.
49

ecosseman,

FACTS NOT PROPAGANDA 05/06/2009 09:43:26
ONLY THE SNP CAN DELIVER FOR SCOTLAND.

THE REST TAKE THEIR ORDERS FROM LONDON

SIMPLES

ROLL ON THE ELECTION!
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brianmca3,

edinburgh 05/06/2009 09:44:07
#49 and morris ,will brown be lighting a big cigar at the 2 council wins in scotland?
hes getting so bad,hes to replace the viz character on paper as hes so much better (Terry Fuckwitt – an extremely dim-witted boy.)
but who in the labour MSPs will fit in as the fat slags?
51

Nik,

Embra 05/06/2009 09:47:26
#51

Jackie Baillie would do just fine as the fat slags.
52

Stephen Maturin,

, HMS Surprise, All at sea , 05/06/2009 10:05:17
As someone who is known to dissect the occasional cadaver from time to time, imagine my surprise when a couple of young chaps from that lovely Liebore Party turned up on my doorstep and enquired if I had any fressh ones handy as they wee rounding up votes for some other 'dead men walking' was their phrase. I told them that I was I was unable to accomodate them as I only had a gibbon and a rather ancient Orangutan in the house but they said they would do and offered me two guineas to borrow them for an hour, easy money, especially as they were arrested when they were caught trying to pass these deceased primates off as rather ill and feeble Liebore voters.

Saor Alba, Erin agus Catalonia!
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Angus Ogg,

05/06/2009 10:11:26
#2 Iceman,

Give wee Davie Milliband a chance to make his mind up. He basked for many days last year with all the media hype about him being touted as next PM. Come on, bet me a good 10p on this one. I'll give you odds :@)

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mr broon,

Edinburgh 05/06/2009 10:19:22
It would be interesting to see a complete breakdown of voting patterns from John Curtice of Strathclyde University, who is usually spot on.

It is high time that all the Scots Unionist parties, especially the 'In Branch' Tories, had a complete root and branch redd out of their dead wood, so they are in a position to counter the Nationalists who are streets ahead of these dinosaurs!

A recent and puzzling example of wasted resources has been the repeated attacks on MacAskill by the Labour and Tory members of the Justice Committee? What was it all about? Richard Baker and Mr. Magoo completely failed to lay a punch on the Justice Secretary over the prisoners who absconded from an Open Prison?

Were neither of these Holyrood amateurs aware that the English trial for the murders of two French students was taking place and the verdicts were due?

We then learn that one of the two murderers should never have been on the streets because of the incompetence of the English Probation Service, resulting in one of the senior Probation officials having to resign, and the Home Secretary having to give a public apology for this tragic failure.

Talk about stupid tactics! The sooner the Scots Unionist parties get rid of these incompetents and professionally plan their political strategy, the better. Let's start with a clear out of all these 'toon cooncillor' MSPs!
55

morris,

edinburgh 05/06/2009 10:23:12
44 Copied and pasted from another thread but possibly you have not yet read this?

The Turnout at Drumchapel/Anniesland was 26.9%
SNP got 7.5% an Labour got 12.8%
Compared with 2007, when turnout was 43.6%
In the 2007 election for the same ward, Labour got 25.7% of the vote against the SNP's 9.6%
So Labour really should not be crowing about this as, turnout is well down, the SNP are down 2 percentage points as result of the low turnout, but Labour has dropped dramatically from 25.7% to 12.8% Thats more than HALF! at 12.9 percentage points down!

Whilst I have not even bothered to verify the above its sounds like whoever posted this has done his/her homework yes?
56

morris,

edinburgh 05/06/2009 10:27:21
52 Presumably you mean both of them simultaneously?
57

Angus Ogg,

05/06/2009 10:28:44

#24 Gus,

There is no such thing as a secret ballot. Your voters roll ID is written discreetly on the back of the voting slip counterfoil by the Polling Clerk from which your voting paper is detached. Both parts have identical reference numbers, much like cheque books.

It's supposed to be for an audit trail if voter fraud is suspected.

If you were paranoid, you would believe that with this information some government department would have records of the way everyone voted.

Then again if you were similarly paranoid you might have the ridiculous belief that there is a secret government organisation watching all of us with detailed files on everyone.

Utter tosh of course.

Though there is a rather magnificent building on the bannks of the River Thames called MIB Central or something similar :@)
58

TWC,

exLabour 05/06/2009 10:45:21
Rufus, I don't think the difference in Euro seats will be significant even if there is a big swing in votes.

The concern is that SLAb are showing no sign of a move to define their future policies for Scotland.

I think Purcell would be a btreath of fresh air especially if he came out fighting for Control of Scottish Oil & Gas revenues.
59

morris,

edinburgh 05/06/2009 10:46:22
49 Thank You for that Linda which paints a quite different picture and redresses the balance considerably.The only thing that I have really gained so far today ,is confirmation that the BBC should be terminated from broadcasting in Scotland asap.They simply cannot be trusted to report anything without a pro Union/Labour bias.
Like The SCOTSMAN and the GLASGOW HERALD they cut their own throats,but at least BBC Scotland can claim that they are subservient because they fear loss of the funding that BBC London does not give them anyway!

The UK has now disintegrated so far that independence is a matter of time now.
What amuses me is just how stupid Labour can be!Their futile gestures know no boundaries!
Today Drumchapel Tomorrow the World erm UK erm Scotland erm Glasgow erm Glenrothes erm Labour party HQ erm Gordon Broons hoose erm watch this space!
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Publius,

London 05/06/2009 10:51:31
#56 morris

Morris. Thanks for the info. The homework looks sound to me. Labour have 'gained' two seats, but there has been a swing to the SNP. (Such are the complexities of by-elections under STV.) I expect much bigger swings from Labour in the English counties (Labour's periphery) than in Glasgow (Labour heartland).
Pub
61

jdships,

Edinburgh 05/06/2009 10:56:48
P.S to the non voter's.
If you don not exercise your right to vote do you then have the right to complain about the elected politician's policy's ?
62

TWC,

exLabour 05/06/2009 11:02:20
62 jdships

Correct JD
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The Tin Man,

05/06/2009 11:24:55
#62 jdships

Unless the 'none of the above' option is included on ballot papers, your comment is incorrect.
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dunedin bully wee 1877,

05/06/2009 11:29:39
36 Fifi la Bonbon

Drivel

I’m left-handed and simply moved the ballot paper to align with the pencil.
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brianmca3,

edinburgh 05/06/2009 11:29:46
labour in my neck of the woods ,used to get a commrade on the royal mail delivery ,to hold back dead voters cards,ones who had flitted etc,then cast them first thing as labour votes
i was on duty at the 79 general election,making sure like the other parties members,that voters went to the right booths etc
the labour guy,who was in his 60s was wearing a red rossette with vote labour
my self and the lib and tory all told him remove the vote part
he told us where to go(sweary words removed)
officer came out room,told him get it off now
he did but was telling voters "They nationalists wont let me wear my vote labour badge"
he was warned for final time
and was stood down by the then councilor eleanor mcglochlan(cant remember how its spelt)
appologised in person to us all,for his behaviour,he was outside doing it again
month later he tried to jump bus line when driver said first 2 and he was left behind,his swearing would have made a navvy blush
also using the old edinburgh news when it was a huge sheet,under empty flats doors to catch any voting cards
so underhand and sleekit,aye somethings never change
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Navvy,

05/06/2009 12:04:45
there are two ways to make change, armed revolution and who wants to follow Ulster Sri Lanka or Afganistan? and from within.

If you don't get active and lobby or at least vote then you are just a bleater and moaner and deserve no audience

At my polling station all votes were 'stuffed" the silly papers were so long, longer than the box was high that they had a stick to push them in. Had there been a half decent turn out another box woould have been needed.

Bye the bye, I have been away, since when were parties and not just candidates mentioned on the papers?
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Number 6,

Germany 05/06/2009 12:59:33
Labour are being humped in the local elections in England. Provisional results of course, but it looks like wide spread decimation of the party at local level.

Why is it, that they somehow still have support in Scotland?.

Who are these people who are not appalled and disgusted by Labour's widespread looting and nepotisim?

It's not enough to not vote for them, you must vote someone in, in their place.

If you care anything about your Children's future, then you would never vote Labour again.

SNP are clearly, the only chance Scotland has of avoiding 3rd world status. Stay in the "union" and kiss goodbye to any kind of decent future at all.

How long can their dwindiling flock maintain this facade of support?
68

Tartan Viking,

05/06/2009 13:00:45
Gosh. what a shock.........................:o))

Ha ha ha ha
69

pwd,

Borders 05/06/2009 13:12:14
# 60

What a mental mess! Dear oh dear.
70

Eve,

Scotland 05/06/2009 16:05:54
#29 morris: I thought I head the ITN news say a ~minute before 7pm that the polls for England's Local elections had closed an all.

BUT then it was pointed out to me that they were talking about what would of happen when their 10 o Clock news came on air.

It was the way they said it that made it open to been miss heard.
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Eve,

Scotland 05/06/2009 16:13:12
#38 dunedin bully wee 1877: That would be brilliant if those kind of results would happen in the real thing. fingers crossed.

It's a pity we have to wait until Monday to get the results. I don't fully trust the people who are looking after the ballot boxes. The way the ballot papers and boxes where it looked like it would be easy for someone to take a few votes out, if they wanted too.
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alanh,

ek 05/06/2009 17:07:10
Its a bad day for all the parties in the euro elections.

Dont know if this will be repeated elsewhere but at the polling station that I was working at last night was very quiet( about 15%).I know that there has been requests for a large number of postal votes for this election and hopefully that will increase the percentage a wee bitty
Very few of them had had any leaflets dropped. None had had any politician of ANY party at their door to canvass their vote.
There were NO activists outside the polling station, altho 1 SNP activist was spotted outside one of the ek stations and 1 SSP activist was outside another and none of the local politicians even botherred to call at the stations to see how the vote was going.

VERY VERY poor show from ALL of our parties
73

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alanh,

ek 05/06/2009 17:16:35
#23 gus..............the old stamper thinggy was a pain for staff to use and more often failed to work......every ballot paper had a unique number on its back.....that got listed with your voting number on a sheet as you were being handed your ballot paper. this detail is kept in case any part of the election isw challenged( unless it gets lost like the glenrothes stuff).For someone to be allowed to look at this paper after it is sealed away at the close of poll takes a court order
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alanh,

ek 05/06/2009 17:19:06
#73 QC
yesterday was a bad day for all political parties that were too lazy and arrogant to try to give the electorate information or encourage them to use their vote.
I hope it was different elsewhere but they should all hang their heads in shame
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alanh,

ek 05/06/2009 17:28:30
#42..brian.

the 6 names were the names of the candidates for each party.If you had called in at the station I was working at we would gladly have taken the time to explain all you wanted about yesterdays vote as we had a lot of boring free time in our 16 hour shift(630am-1030pm with no real breaks allowed).

As the voting system of PR used was a lists sytem that was why they were put on the slips, even tho no-one had heard of them or had any info from any of the parties about them.
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SINGAPOREAN,

stonehaven 05/06/2009 17:46:04
61 to 63 On not voting. If you don't vote they will assume you don't care, and will go ahead and do whatever they like without consultation. To register your disgust you should go to the polling station and spoil your paper by scribbling a messahge across it. That way they can't ignore you. I suspect that if everyone went to vote the result would be 25% for the various parties and 75% disgusted of Inverhootsmon.
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brianmca3,

auld reekie 05/06/2009 21:40:29
#76 thank you for clearing that up for me,i was wondering what was going on
i see not one party had anyone inside or outside the polling station
changed days as when i did it in the 79 election it was busy from start to finish
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Rob Roy,

Portlethen 08/06/2009 23:56:08
Only way to beat the SNP is to engage the same postal vote tactics, then lose the "marked up register" as in Glenrothes. Bye Bye unionists welcome to Independence

 

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