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Published Date: 27 June 2008
ANNIE Lennox, one of the most successful musicians in the world, has always refused to be drawn into the debate over independence in her native Scotland. Yesterday, however, in a massive boost for the SNP, she became the most high-profile convert to the cause for nearly 40 years.
The star, who is due to perform at Nelson Mandela's 90th birthday concert in London today, told The Scotsman that she now believed Scotland could set a global example for what a small country could do.

Lennox, who has sold 80 million records worldwide and won an Academy Award for her songwriting, said she wanted to see a modern, forward-thinking and environmentally friendly Scotland.

"In that way, if Scotland was to be independent, and it had that kind of vision, I would back it completely," she said.

Her public endorsement of independence represents a major fillip for a cause that has previously had to rely on the actor Sir Sean Connery as its only internationally known celebrity supporter.

But her backing of independence – even though it is conditional on Scotland becoming an ecologically sound, nuclear-free country – also shows how far she has moved politically.

In the past, the Aberdeen-born former Tourists and Eurythmics star kept out of debate on the future direction of the country, backing a referendum on independence but insisting that she did not know enough about it to get involved and that it was up to Scots to decide their future.

Now, though, Lennox has decided to speak out for the first time to give her support to at least the principle of independence, without necessarily backing the SNP's policy platform.

Speaking ahead of her appearance at this year's Festival of Politics at the Scottish Parliament, she said: "You know when the first idea of Scotland being independent came to people's ears, in the late 1960s early 1970s, and I was living in Scotland then, it seemed very eccentric at the time. You know, why? What do you need that for? Is not this some sort of very sentimental view where we are looking inwards rather than outwards?

"But, as time has gone on, I think I can see some benefits to Scotland in a certain kind of way."

She went on: "I wouldn't like to see Scotland missing out on the bigger picture, but at the same time I think Scotland has missed out on things as a country.

"I think Scotland could take a stand in a wonderful way, ecologically and morally and ethically. Scotland could stand for something in the way that Norway has done historically. We could say, this will be a country which is a nuclear-free zone and this will be a country which will tackle the issues like the depletion of the environment around the coastline, for example, and our fishing stocks are so depleted now we are going to have a no-take zone; this type of thing. I would love to see those things, the visionary things, in Scotland."

Asked whether she was open to the arguments over independence, she replied: "Oh, completely. There is an opportunity for something innovative and visionary. I can see that happening. Yes.

"Scotland could have some kind of new, ethical, visionary stance and it could take on some fresh ideas. That could be amazing, really amazing.

"If you think about the issues of the planet, it could be so sweetly represented in a small country like Scotland, in terms of the environment, in terms of trying to tackle issues of inner-city violence, of drug problems, these things.

"All the issues that contemporary society has today, Scotland could be a beautiful example of a way forward, if it was open and not too reactionary – just to say 'no we are not going to have genetically-modified crops, we are not going to have that' – I could see that as a blueprint for something."

Lennox, 53, has been active in international political movements for decades. When she was in the Eurythmics, the band backed Amnesty International and Greenpeace.

Later, she supported charities such as Children in Need and Hear the World, a campaign to spread awareness about deafness, as experienced by her late father, who had worked in Aberdeen's shipyards.

Now Lennox is campaigning on behalf of women in southern Africa who are affected by the HIV/Aids pandemic and has launched a music movement, Sing, to raise money for HIV/Aids education.

She told The Scotsman she did not plan on returning to Scotland to live but insisted Scotland was always with her. "I have always felt a little homeless. It's a strange thing. Although I have lived in London, I have never really considered London my home because it was always going to be a stopping-off point for me, and it has been too.

"I have lived a very peripatetic existence. I have always travelled and travelled and arrived back and then left. I see myself as a traveller. I don't see myself as someone who's too strongly identified with a national identity."

But she added: "I am certainly deeply identified with aspects of Scotland. I have never lost my accent and Scotland is with me every day because, in my mind, it comes into my head; there isn't a day it doesn't come in. But I suppose the Scotland that I left is a different one from what it is now."

The SNP spent much of the run-up to last year's Holyrood elections trying to woo the country's business community, aware that the backing of senior financiers and business leaders would help ease doubts about its ability to govern.

The party secured the endorsement of Sir George Mathewson, the former chairman of the Royal Bank of Scotland, and the money and public backing of Stagecoach millionaire Brian Souter and the entrepreneur Sir Tom Farmer.

But while the Nationalists have been successful in securing business support, they have really had only Sir Sean Connery to promote their message on the international stage, until now.

Sir Sean was first identified as a Nationalist in 1969 and was on the long-list for the West Fife seat at that stage – but then it was realised that he was not a party member.

The former James Bond star's pro-independence leanings were well known through the 1970s and the 1980s, but it was not until 1991 that he actually got involved with the SNP, doing a voiceover for a party political broadcast.

That involvement deepened as Sir Sean started to use some of his own money to help fund the SNP, and he developed a close relationship with Alex Salmond, now First Minister, which has continued to this day.

However, the addition of someone as respected and well known in the music industry as Lennox, particularly as she has a track record of political involvement, will take the Nationalists' message to a much wider audience than before.

Connery by far the biggest name in list of Nationalists' celebrity supporters

THE SNP's most famous backer is the former James Bond star Sir Sean Connery, whose Nationalist sympathies have been well known for decades.

However, it was not until 1991 that he got actively involved with the SNP, recording a voiceover for a political broadcast.

Since then, he has donated about £50,000 to the party and developed a close relationship with Alex Salmond, the party's leader.

Other stars have turned to the SNP after losing faith with Labour. Robert Carlyle, the actor, made it clear last year that he was going to vote SNP – even though he did not believe in independence – because he had become disillusioned with Labour.

Elaine C Smith, the comedian and actor, moved to the SNP after years as a Labour supporter, while the Nationalists can also count on the support of one of the two Proclaimers (Charlie Reid now backs the Scottish Socialists, but brother Craig is still SNP).

Highland rockers Runrig were mostly SNP supporters and even provided the party with an MP, in the shape of bass player Pete Wishart. But Donnie Munro, the former lead singer, went the other way and became a Labour candidate.

The SNP has had some other recent converts in the arts world, including the Scots singer Sandi Thom, the artist Peter Howson and the Trainspotting author Irvine Welsh.


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  • Last Updated: 26 June 2008 8:01 PM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Scottish independence
 
1

Angus Ogg,

26/06/2008 22:18:20

This, is precisely Labours problem.

Not the SNP die hards, but those former Labour, or politically neutral converting to SNP.

The floating voters.

These Boards are often (as they also say about Arran) Scotland in miniature.

The best Labour has, is evidenced day in and day out.

The difficulty is the best Labour now has is simply not good enough and Labour is losing, no, haemorrhaging votes, voters and supporters to the SNP.

Wee me too :@)

Criminal Wendy, how do you like them apples !
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27/06/2008 00:10:52
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27/06/2008 00:11:36
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slap-dash,

Border Patrol 27/06/2008 00:13:25
Angus !

We`re apparently not allowed to comment on those apples !
In any paper ! Mouths sewn tightly shut over at the herald too !
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slap-dash,

Border Patrol 27/06/2008 00:16:38
On a personal note , I always liked Annie Lennox.






Like her even more now ! ha ha ha ha ha ha !
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27/06/2008 00:19:35
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SlyFifer,

California 27/06/2008 00:20:44
Can't thank Labour enough for all they have done to destroy the Union. Can't thank previous governments enough for lying and obvuscation in relation the truth about Scotlands ability to stand alone.
Not sure though and not at all convinced that the SNP can best represent Scotland as an independant state. Feel, and have done for a while that there needs to be a new force in Scottish politics, another independance party maybe a bit more centre orientated, maybe republican even, maybe anti nuclear weapons,maybe anti imperialism and war mongering, just saying.
I will return to Scotland September after a number of years away. A new force would be nice to see and to rally around.
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MisterN,

Scotland 27/06/2008 00:24:19
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Exactly Angus there is a major seismic shift in Scottish politics as more and more people see a Scottish Government working in Scotland for Scotland.
The SNP election win exposed the London controlled Scottish parties for what they are.
Subordinate to the needs of the South East of England.
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MisterN,

Scotland 27/06/2008 00:25:30
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More than you I bet. Certainly more than Gordon Brown his cabinet and the Royal family all put together.
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27/06/2008 00:26:09
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MisterN,

Scotland 27/06/2008 00:26:58
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Nearly as much as the tax imposed by London Labour eh?
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ThomasP,

27/06/2008 00:26:59
Number: 6.

Be quite. Everyone has the right to an opinion but I wished you didn't.

So what if these people do not live in Scotland? Thousands of people travel the world and found better lives elsewhere but for some reason they are not allowed to comment on their native countries and support what they think is right?

Sean Connery can enndorse whatever whiskey he wants. I am sure he is making lots from it to. But at least he donates to the SNP who then campaigns for Independence.

Funny how the world works, eh?
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Highland Mighty,

27/06/2008 00:27:23
7. You mean adverts like this one?:

http://tinyurl.com/6khrd9

Some Scottish nationalist he is. Living in the Bahamas, taking shiny medals from that nasty, nasty UK and selling Japanese Whiskey.

Tut, Shir Shawn. Tut.
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27/06/2008 00:28:29
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Highland Mighty,

27/06/2008 00:31:01
Whoa, Annie! What are you saying?!

"our fishing stocks are so depleted now, we are going to have a no-take zone"

Annie Lennox believes we should stop fishing altogether!

Mind you, that fits in with Salmond thinking we should stop shipbuilding altogether too.
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ThomasP,

27/06/2008 00:32:14
17 Number: 6

The Royal Family now?

The same family who remain neutral on POLITICAL issues?

It does not matter to the Royals if Scotland goes Independent because the Queen is still our head of state.
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Am Balach,

Isle of Skye 27/06/2008 00:36:26
Highland Mighty

You are so boring. Really, really boring.
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27/06/2008 00:37:16
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Sanny,

27/06/2008 00:37:48
8 SlyFifer
I believe I responded to you on a similar posting. There is another nationalist party, other than the SNP, it is the SEP. From the few points expressed in your post, the SEP would seem to meet your political view of a right of centre party, Visit the Realm of Scotland web site.
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Mercian,

UK 27/06/2008 00:42:16
I like Annie Lennox and used to find her quite sexy in her younger days.

She appears to have a very idealistic vision of what she think's an independent Scotland will represent, as if her personal values will be the government's vision. I've noticed nationalists on these boards speak similarly; they talk as though an independent Scotland will only have one voice. Of course the reality is with England out of the equation there will still be a left and right; some people for nuclear energy; some for Europe others against, and so on...

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MisterN,

Scotland 27/06/2008 00:44:05
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So It does show their lack of concern for "North Britain" compared to "South Britain" though eh?

You never make points you troll it aint the same thing ask yer mum.
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Stepford Nat,

1984 27/06/2008 00:45:09
Bring on Newspeak!

www.snp.org.uk - no Sex Crime here - we're the Ministry of Plenty!
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ThomasP,

27/06/2008 00:45:11
24 Number: 6

"ThomasP - Does not matter to the Royals? How would you know?"

They have to remain POLITICALLY NEUTRAL AND CAN NOT FAVOUR ANY PARTY OR POLICIES.

"There is a strong republican presence amongst SNP activists."

And I bet you can find the same presense anywhere else. It has cross party support with about 40% of the public still support the monarchy. The SNP represent an Independent Scotland with the Queen as our Head of State.

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MisterN,

Scotland 27/06/2008 00:46:17
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And that great union stalwart Rupert Murdoch? where does he spend most of his time when he isnt directing his media empire to abuse their positions of journalistic responsiblity?
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ThomasP,

27/06/2008 00:47:07
25 Mercian,UK

The majority in the Scottish Gov are against nuclear all together and Pro-European.

The country may be divided but the Parties aren't
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Highland Mighty,

27/06/2008 00:52:17
28. They also fiercely protect Scottish banknotes....but believe Scotland should join the Euro....which will mean the end of Scottish banknotes.

They also believe we would be better off in the Euro because we have little influence in the BoE's monetary decisions.....even though we would be all but irrelevant in a Eurozone of 400m people, where the needs of Germany, France and Italy are the priority.

Do you get the feeling the SNP don't know what they are doing?
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ThomasP,

27/06/2008 00:52:35
24 Number: 6

"I would guess that the Royals would want a United Kingdom. In fact its a nobrainer."

What about the Common Wealth countries? The Queen is their Head of State and therefore we shoudl force them back in the 'Empire?

No? Course not. Get over yourself. The Royals are politically neutral and loose nothing through and Independent Scotland.
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27/06/2008 00:54:04
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ThomasP,

27/06/2008 00:55:04
Highland Mighty.

If we did join the Euro then we would produce Scottish Euro notes.

Other European Countries create their own notes with the Euro symbol stuck on. Scotland can do the same.

The SNP have not supported the Euro in the way of making it a priority but beleive that in an Independent Scotland if it proves worthwhile we would join the Euro.
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Senga Jean,

27/06/2008 00:57:50
Sing SING Sing..Oh what joy over one sinner who repenteths. I thought she was a unionist but loved her music.. The joy that she is with the real people who wish a better world...and a better Scotland.
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Highland Mighty,

27/06/2008 00:59:24
35. Er...no. Quite, quite wrong.

Again.

Coins are the only part of the currency that can be 'personalised' and even then only the back of the coins.

You really should do some research before you post.
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Highland Mighty,

27/06/2008 01:06:59
35. I also think you should scan through the the SNP website (if you can get past the endless ridiculous propaganda, eg "SNP stands up for Scottish shipbuilding"...by losing the multi-billion MOD contracts?).

Anyway, in there is a clear goal of joining the Euro as soon as possible.
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27/06/2008 01:07:39
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Highland Mighty,

27/06/2008 01:08:14
40. Superb!

You're not a nutcase at all, are you!
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27/06/2008 01:13:37
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Royster,

27/06/2008 01:14:33
Aniie Lennox? Massive boost for the SNP? Well, maybe in the 1980s...
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27/06/2008 01:17:37
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Highland Mighty,

27/06/2008 01:22:23
So, not many multiple usernames there, numpty.

'McPravda blog', 'Highland Mighty,Borders', 'Ford Trans!t' and 'Number.6 CandymanVW' are all revealed to be just one infinitely challenged nat.

What a shocker of a surprise.
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Richardinho,

27/06/2008 01:38:45
Annie Lennox is as entitled to her opinion as anyone else, wherever she chooses to live. It doesn't look as if she has a lifetime's deeply held conviction about independence, but rather she is someone who has been undecided in the past, but has been persuaded by the arguments into a position of tacit support.
Who is to say that a thriving self confident independent Scotland wouldn't tempt many ex patriots like Lennox back home, in the way that Ireland has done?

For the record, I support independence, and I have no intentions of leaving Scotland.
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Neil Waugh,

Old Strathcona 27/06/2008 01:45:55
I always though Annie looked like she needed a good feed of something. Kind of like the one that Frank Sinatra called Cue Ball after she ripped up the picture of the Pope.
Now that she's got the indie biz solved has she got any quick tips for World Cup qualification.
If so I might have to buy one of CDs rather than getting one of my kids to download it.
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Traquir , Alba,

27/06/2008 01:52:13
52 AM2,Scotland
"Oh look, I’m being “punished” again for exercising my right to free speech. How dare I not be a nationalist, eh? Never mind about that person’s family being exposed to potential harassment if any nutter would think he was me. It’s all for the “cause”, isn’t it? Contemptible. Actually, beneath contempt."

For once I have to fully back AM2 on this one.
Clearly this nutter is in more need even
that the Labour Party of a psychiatrist.

However, let's try and keep Unionist
and Nationalist out of this though.
I am sure each has their fair share of a
tiny minority of nutters and neither
is representative of the main stream view
of either camp.

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Traquir , Alba,

27/06/2008 01:52:47
It terms of Annie Lennox I have always liked her,
and now much more that ever before :)
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Brianwci,

Edinburgh 27/06/2008 01:55:26
On STV's the Politics Show tonight they were discussing the SNPs first year in Government and everyone, polticians and journalists alike agreed the SNP had had a very good first year, that included the arch unionist Alan Cochrane of the Telegraph.

The longer the SNP is in power the more people of Annie Lenox' stature will see that Independence can work and that the SNP as a fresh force is going to be more use to the people of Scotland than Labour.

Henry Mcleish also said that the reason for the SNP success is their Scottishness and the fact they didn't have to look over their shoulder at London (as the unionist parties have to do).

Long may these happy days continue.

Brian Hill
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DouglasT,

27/06/2008 02:05:32
Well done Annie Lennox. A beautiful woman with a great voice - and a brain ! I am truly smitten :)
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Traquir , Alba,

27/06/2008 03:47:38
55 bring them on,

"will destroy what little is left of the Scottish economy."

What a wonderful Union dividend we have after
300 years - I guess we should just be grateful
that we barely have a "little Scottish economy"

You sycophants are nauseating in the extreme.
Try and have a modicum of confidence in your
Scottish Nation.
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Traquir , Alba,

27/06/2008 04:14:29
57 bring them on

Fair enough so let's work to together to shape
an economy that will work for Scotland. Every
other independent country does it and there
is no way that Scotland is uniquely incapable
of doing so. There will challenges, and their
will be differences, but I have complete
confidence that we can tailor an economy to match
the needs and aspirations of the Scottish Nation.
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donald,

glasgow 27/06/2008 05:35:42
Give us a song Annie.
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Mork the Orkan,

27/06/2008 05:35:47
Annie Lennox is a vacious idiots, who are foreigners. The SNP seem to attract idiot's in their droves, I think they need a bit of diversity.

Their entire celebrity support consists of dim-wits and failed historians who like a rant.

(She is a great musical talent of course.)
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Traquir , Alba,

27/06/2008 05:53:47
59 bring them on,

"#58

Great if it could work out.

But who is your man/woman who could lead the charge? "

Have confidence we do not need nor should we rely
on one person, we Scots have more than enough
talent between us to tackle this :)
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Traquir , Alba,

27/06/2008 05:55:34
61 Mork the Orkan

Thanks Mork the Dork :)
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Alan Reid,

NZ 27/06/2008 06:01:05
Thank you Annie, you and many others are beginning to see the light. The SNP can, and are are doing a good job as the Scottish Goverment. The people of Scotland are slowly seeing that ALL the other main parties are nothing but corrupt scumbags, on the payroll of Westminster. All you Unionist scum, EAT MY SHORTS!
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Chaplin,

27/06/2008 06:22:30
From a man who has such fervent nationalist leanings, I dont know whether Sean Connery's Japanese whiskey advert is shameful or just shows a complete lack of judgement considering the importance of our main export to the Scottish economy.
Whichever it is, it leaves a bad taste.

http://tinyurl.com/6khrd9
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Boy Wonder,

27/06/2008 06:53:42
Annie Lennox supports Independence?

The SNP ranks should be singing "Sweet Dreams Are Made Of This" today! :D
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Geoff,

sa 27/06/2008 07:19:46
I wouldn'y be sure whether an endorsement from Annie Lennox would be a prize or liability!
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27/06/2008 07:23:42
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LEAL,

27/06/2008 07:40:17
Annie Lennox.Quite important,this.Before,people who had left normal Scottish life such as Billy Connelly Annie Lennox etc,etc thought the old way.That independence was a cause for eccentrics.Now it has become mainstream we will see more celebs backing independence.When independence becomes chic we will be overwhelmed with their support,but because these people live in ivory towers usually abroad,they will always be a wee bit after the Scottish public in their support for independence.Sean Con was so big a star he didnt mind being seen by many as an eccentric.
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Nell,

The Preservation Hall 27/06/2008 07:42:35
She doesn't seem to be backing independence as much as she is backing being environmentally friendly and anti nuclear.
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pehman,

sussex 27/06/2008 08:07:18
Just a wee aside from the article that the "Scottish" press seems to have missed.

LABOUR CAME 5th IN THE HENLEY BY-ELECTION
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Faustus,

27/06/2008 08:07:39
The marvellous thing is that it doesn't matter how many actors and pop stars who spend most of their time outside Scotland declare their 'support' for independence, unless and until the MAJORITY of the Scottish voters call for it, it ain't going to happen. Salmond can wheel out as many fading stars as he wants.
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Conan the Librarian™,

27/06/2008 08:13:30
69
To silence AM2?

You would need a very large gag...
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Nell,

The Preservation Hall 27/06/2008 08:14:33
Does the thing that counts the number of comments on this article also get used in elections in Zimbabwe?
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The Hiker,

Fife 27/06/2008 08:17:54
Thomas P.
#34

I think you'll find that all the Euro notes are identical front and back, irrespective of which Euro country they are produced in. It's only the coins that have a "national" emblem on one side.
If we join the Euro as part of the UK, or as an independent nation, our own distinctive banknotes are tatties.

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brownlie,

27/06/2008 08:31:18
69 Rules

If you look through this site you will find that quite a number of the known SNP supporters on here have criticised the poster who is harassing AM2.

It seems that the harassment is not from those of an opposing political stance - it would appear to be more personal than that.
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subrosa,

27/06/2008 08:58:53
# 74

What an insult calling Annie Lennox a fading star. I do hope you don't mean that because of her age. Her reputation is world wide and she continues to hold the world stage with her music.

I've been a fan all my life.
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AJ Fife,

27/06/2008 09:07:19
She used to be wee wendy's favourite singer too!

The day is jist getting worse and worse for the 'Mooth o' the Sooth'! LOL
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inkster,

27/06/2008 09:10:30
Extreme bairnyness, cheap smears, humbug, and now petulance has been added to the list. Come on GB chaps, what about the stiff upper lip, being a good loser and all that.

Like Am2 quote "lefty tree hugging" . Poor for you as far as smears go. I think one of your students is standing in for you while you are at the bowls tourney final. You show thy age old man. But AM2 is our national treasure , as long as he is in opposition, God help us when these plodding reactionaries jump ship.

Annie Lennox is excellent PR for the SNP and will bring votes. End
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BIG EYE,

Paisley 27/06/2008 09:13:47
In a majestic way the Labour Candidate beat 7 other candidates but found it impossible to match the votes of four others coming brave fifth in the elctoral contest.

A Labour spokesman put a positive spin on the result commenting "It will only be matter of time before we can overtake the Greens and the BNP and we were well ahead of the Loonies and the Fur Party so it's not all bad news"

Commenting on Labour's 3% share of the vote he said " By elections are notoriously difficult in the days ahead our vote maybe higher or lower who knows"

Marvellous!
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RossA,

27/06/2008 09:30:07
Wendy reads the Guardian!
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RossA,

27/06/2008 09:30:47
Annie reads the New York Times
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RossA,

27/06/2008 09:31:18
Annie reads the New York Times
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RossA,

27/06/2008 09:31:40
Gordon has stopped reading.
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roughrider,

Glasgow 27/06/2008 09:38:43
Andy Kerr reads the beano.
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Tweedmouth,

Coldstream 27/06/2008 09:45:30
Ms Lennox says:

"tackle the issues like the depletion of the environment around the coastline, for example, and our fishing stocks are so depleted now we are going to have a no-take zone;"

Fishing has been destroyed by the grey men of Brussels - the EU gave Scotland's fish to Spain, France, Holland etc. These waters no longer belong to the UK or Scotland - and the only way to get them back is to leave the EU. Not one single political party remotely envisages leaving the EU, least of all the SNP which sees Europe as the Big Lifeboat if it jumps ship from HMS UK.



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AJ Fife,

27/06/2008 10:00:21
Spook#89,

No she disnae, it's more likely to be Fudge Doughnut Monthly! :)
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Alan B,

27/06/2008 10:17:11
Do not think it matters what Annie Lennox thinks, but i think it does show an underlying shift in the political undercurrent in scotlands political debate.

Part of the problem for the unionists is labour have never made a good case for the union, but have always based there political argument on fear.
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Alan B,

27/06/2008 10:28:13
#Highland Mighty

"They also believe we would be better off in the Euro because we have little influence in the BoE's monetary decisions.....even though we would be all but irrelevant in a Eurozone of 400m people, where the needs of Germany, France and Italy are the priority."


U really do not understand the argument for the euro. The problem with scotland using sterling has little to do with influence on the bank of england. The problem with sterling is that interest rates in the uk have traditionally been too high for the scottish economy. Euro rates have been lower that sterlings since the introduction of the euro and the interest rates of germany etc before the euro were also lower than uk interest rates.

Some of the reason for higher uk rates is said to be due to the south east housing market.

As such if euro rates tend to be lower that sterlings and sterling rates are too high for the scottish economy, it does not take to much brain power to see that interest rates for the euro are more inline with scotlands economic needs.

The big problem scotland has, is both labour and the lib dems support the euro in principle. Blair could not get the uk to join for political reasons. Jack McConnel was on record as saying the euro would be good for scotland. The problem is while both these parties support the euro they will not consider joining unless the whole of the uk does.

ie they are putting the union before the economic needs of the scottish economy.

Lets face it. Scotland should have an independent economic assessment to see whether it is in our economic interests to join.

Personally i could see NI joining while still part of the uk so it need not even be an independence issue. That in itself is the problem with the union. It is far too inflexible to allow scotland to take decisions for scotlands benefit.
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Alan B,

27/06/2008 10:31:12
#Methalions

"the above, when Connolly supported Labour, the knives were out for him. Pathetic."

I think the problem regarding Connolly is not any support for labour but his condescending attitude to the scottish parliament and by extention to scotland.



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pwd,

Borders 27/06/2008 10:33:04
Annie has set out some conditions. Will the SNP rush to comply as quiickly as they did when Trump laid down his?

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Longdirk Maceth,

Aberdeen 27/06/2008 10:51:42
70 Number: 6
"well Alan what can I say! Reasoned debate is alive and well I see. If you do not agree with the Snp then you are scum.
No thats not what I meant, check below, this is what i meant by scum!
1)it was brown that said on tv that he would not work with the scottish government.
2)it was brown who the media say will not return Salmonds calls
3)it was brown that did not congratulate Salmond on his vicotry last yr until embarrassed by the media. Blair did not at all.
4)it is brown who has tried to scupper the LIT policy of the snp, rather than leaving it to be argued out in holyrood.
a) disgracefully trying to withhold scotlands money through the council tax rebate.
b)and used the treasury to declare the policy illegal when it is the remit of the preciding officer to do so.
5) it brown who would not compensate our farmers while compensating english farmers
6)it was brown who delivered the lowest increase in the scottish block grant since the start of the parliament (many think as a punishment for voting snp)
7)it was brown who is try to not pass on the consequentials to the scottish parliament as a result of spending on english prisions.

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Alex,

Ayr 27/06/2008 11:15:48
Well done Annie...however, expect the same sour grapes treatment from irate unioists as Sean got/gets .
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Alternative (High-Octane) Fuel Head,

Edinburgh 27/06/2008 11:20:35
Annie Lennox is a musician. She should stick to what she knows best---making music.

Given the track record of the SNP since they came to power---ie, the broken promises---coupled with the two loose cannons in the shape of Robison and MacAskill who want to take away all our freedom, independence should be the last thing on anyone's mind at the moment.

We NEED the controlling influence of Westminster in order to moderate the extremism that is being peddled at the moment---even if that Westminster government happens to be an incompetent bunch of labour idiots.
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 Ayrshire Scot™,

27/06/2008 11:29:37
114. "We NEED the controlling influence of Westminster in order to ".... engage in illegal wars, detain people without trial for 42 days, introduce ID cards, buy more WMD for the Clyde, detain children of asylum seekers at Dungavel, close 5000 post offices and abolish the 10p tax band..... we need the Scottish government to stand up for Scotland and protect us from these extremist measures from Westminster
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Hamish Scott,

27/06/2008 11:34:01
Number 6 -
Are you on piece work?
Or are you trying to compensate for qauality with quantity?
Or both?
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Jock MacTamson 2,

Highlands 27/06/2008 11:45:17
I do not see the issue. If you live somewhere which benefits your work and brings prosperity to your family and allows you to live a decent life. good for you. I should not mean you are less Scottish or do not have the right to an opinion. It is the press that makes the big deal.

I would rather listen to an ex pat multi millionaire self made Scottish person than a unemployed labour jakey, and of them they are many.

At least Annie and Sean are inspirations to people on a global stage, if they are proud of Scotland who has the right to challenge their opinion.
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elizabeth the first ,

27/06/2008 11:47:10
Ms Lennox says she backs Scottish independence,but has no plans on returning to her homeland! in other words "I'll make the right noises,because it won't pertain to me".
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Jock MacTamson 2,

Highlands 27/06/2008 11:47:32
Now can we spend the time talking about Wendy being a convicted criminal, or Ed Balls being a fruadster or the By election result where labour was beaten by the BNP and the greens.

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HEN BROON 5,

ALBA being held back by the UK 27/06/2008 11:50:26
#114.........http://tinyurl.com/944cj








LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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HEN BROON 5,

ALBA being held back by the UK 27/06/2008 11:51:14
#119...............http://tinyurl.com/944cj



































LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
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elizabeth the first ,

27/06/2008 11:53:04
120.Why would we want to do that? It's quite boring.
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elizabeth the first ,

27/06/2008 12:10:11
For every one who supports the snp,atleast two do not.
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Richardinho,

27/06/2008 12:15:56
'For every one who supports the snp,atleast two do not.'

But things change. It sounds as if Annie Lennox didn't used to support independence, but has been persuaded by the arguments and by the success of the SNP government that shows that independence is a viable possibility.

Of those two thirds that you cite, I doubt if any but a tiny minority will be of the 'dyed in the wool, union jack fetishist, self loathing Jock' variety who seem to populate this board.

As such they are open to reason and if it can be shown that independence is in their interests (which I believe it is) then they will change their minds.
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Nikostratos,

27/06/2008 12:30:41
#118 Jock MacTamson 2

"I would rather listen to an ex pat multi millionaire self made Scottish person than a unemployed labour jakey, and of them they are many."


"a unemployed labour jakey, and of them they are many."

Have a vote in Scotland "ex pat multi millionaire self made Scottish person does not".Doubtful winning strategy there and one Alex and co do not follow given they want to be elected.
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elizabeth the first ,

27/06/2008 12:33:46
125. How would independence be in anyones interest,Mr Salmond can't even keep his manifesto promises.
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Glynn Snodin's left foot,

Embra 27/06/2008 12:34:56
Slow news day? Or have we time-travelled back to 1985, and I've just not noticed? Honestly, I worry about the sanity of the Scotsman's editorial team. I've always voted SNP and believe in independence for Scotland, but you're off your heid if you think that Annie Lennox's "high-profile conversion" is a "massive boost to the SNP". Sure, if she's the first of many other B- and C-list celebrities to do the same, it certainly might have a small morale-lifting effect. But to suggest that Alex Salmond will be rubbing his hands at the thought of having Annie Lennox (last UK hit: no. 58 in the charts) on board is ridiculous. Seriously, folks. Annie Lennox. I despair.
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elizabeth the first ,

27/06/2008 12:40:13
Annie Lennox's career has been in the doldrums for a couple of years,she needed to do something to grab the headlines,especially with her work with HIV/AIDS.
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Calum Crubag,

27/06/2008 12:48:06
Will Labour continue to brand all those who believe in indepedence as 'racists' and 'separists'?

They're not all SNP supporters either which means that Labour must be alienating some of it's own support by blocking the independence idea.
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Alan B,

27/06/2008 12:52:07
#elizabeth the first

"How would independence be in anyones interest"

Scotland would be able to take decisions for scotland benefit. The political parties we vote in would be the ones running our affairs. Political parties would not have to ditch their values in order to woo voters from other countries to get elected.

In what way will it be beneficial to have to have the tories running scotland with virtually no representation if they win the next election. We all saw what happened the last time.

Also and for me the most importnat reason for independence, to turn round our economy, so that their are more and better paid jobs and we can enjoy the standards of living other small countries are achieving. So we can deal with poverty and our poor health record which is intrinsically linked.

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elizabeth the first ,

27/06/2008 12:56:01
130.Bad news i'm afraid,David Cameron will do the same,in fact, he has stated on numerous occasions,he would do anything to preserve the union.
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Alan B,

27/06/2008 13:01:41
#elizabeth the first

The election of David Cameron will probably be the thing that propells scotland to independence.

David Cameron will probably try to make a positive case for the union. But it will be too little too late. Labours whole case for the union has been built round fear. For a variety of reasons this strategy is deminishing in its apeal.

U say David Cameron would do anything to preserve the union. Can u name me one major thing he would do specifically for scotland? ie one policy that would have any meaningful affect on scotland. Just to qualify i am talking about something scotland specific.



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elizabeth the first ,

27/06/2008 13:02:54
132. So has a lot of other Celebrities,but they don't turn there back on the country that made them famous,and i don't mean Scotland.
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Angus Ogg,

27/06/2008 13:07:48
#3 "Number6"

You rude arrogant insulting person.

It isn't my problem that you are ignorant too.

You cannot relate my comments at #1 above to the fact that firts paragraph of the main article state, and I quote...

"ANNIE Lennox, one of the most successful musicians in the world, has always refused to be drawn into the debate over independence in her native Scotland."

THAT'S MY POINT STUPID.

Even politically neutral people are going over to the SNP.

PRECISELY because of the inane rude, baseless, drivel you post.

If you are the best Labour now has, then the game is up for you and your ilk.

Given the appallingly poor Labour standard of debate, I am fast becoming persuaded that labour should go the same way as the Tories in Scotland.

COMPLETELY EVICTED from the Scottish political scene.
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Jock MacTamson 2,

Highlands 27/06/2008 13:08:20
#126 Nikostratos

It was not implying this should be a strategy. Sean and Annie not pay much taxes here but at least they are not bleeding the system dry through being bone idle spongers.

If all the people in Scotland who could work did work we would be in a dramatically better position economically.

Are you suggesting we would pander to the dole dossers ?
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Jock MacTamson 2,

Highlands 27/06/2008 13:08:22
#126 Nikostratos

It was not implying this should be a strategy. Sean and Annie not pay much taxes here but at least they are not bleeding the system dry through being bone idle spongers.

If all the people in Scotland who could work did work we would be in a dramatically better position economically.

Are you suggesting we would pander to the dole dossers ?
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Richardinho,

27/06/2008 13:08:53
#137 We live in a global economy. People have every right to go where ever their career takes them. And they have every right to retain an interest in their mother country. The number of posters on this board who post from other parts of the world is testament to that.
Annie Lennox's opinion is as valid as anyone elses-no more, no less. Hopefully there are many others who are been persuaded of the virtues of independence, but obviously because they are not famous they don't make headline news.
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Jock MacTamson 2,

Highlands 27/06/2008 13:09:17
#140 oops. Do not what happened there
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Angus Ogg,

27/06/2008 13:13:03
#10 "Number6"

I just got it. You are one of the Labour Party employees dedicated to winding the SNP up. How much are you paid. Is it an under the grand jobbie from Phil Green perhaps?

Trouble is, you are putting the neutral and floating voters off Labour and over to SNP.

As for your fatuous comment about the Annie Lennox song "Would I Lie To You".

Labour can hardly crow about lies. There is a long and ignominious list of Labour Lies.

Starting with that favourite song....

"Thiiiings Can Only Get Better"

Aye right.

Numpty.
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Angus Ogg,

27/06/2008 13:18:58
#15 Highland Nighty,

I am reluctant to reply to your post as I've seen the chronic low level level of debate you bring to these boards. However, you are inspiring me towards setting up ....

LABOUR ANONYMOUS

You know, a little like Alcoholics Anonymous.

"Hi, My name is Angus Ogg, I used to be a Labour voter, but I am 214 days clean."

Perhaps Highland Nighty, you might like to have a sit down in a quiet room and think long and hard about what exactly you want by posting on these boards?

If you want to wind the SNP up, you are going to have to be a lot cleverer and sophisticated.

Why?

Because exactly what you are doing is turning Labour voters off Labour.

Is that really what you want?
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monkey man,

27/06/2008 13:28:53
An embarrassing washed up hasbeen like Annie Lennox supports the SNP.? What a surprise. lol

She's typical of the ludicrous fame-junkie celeb who steps over the Aids-ridden homeless on the streets of her own country to "show her concern" for the Aids-ridden in Africa instead. A laughable phoney.
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Shredder,

27/06/2008 13:30:54
Lennox may want a “forward thinking and environmentally friendly” Scotland, but I have to say that this rings hollow when compared to the reasons of another recent to the Nats:- it’s none other than former Tory historian Michael Fry of whom I speak.

Whereas Fry is intent on a separatist Scotland becoming a right wing testing ground (he’s attracted by the Nats’ drive to produce a “Celtic Lion” and drive growth etc), Lennox would seem to have a very different vision. In yet another corner, we have the reactionary Souter and we all know about his dogmatic beliefs. They can’t all impose their values on Scotland, so someone would certainly be disillusioned by the results of inward looking separatism.

Furthermore, Lennox’s endorsement is far from unequivocal, as evidenced by her saying it seemed very eccentric in the 70s. Pray, what has changed? I can’t imagine any true Nat using such terminology, so very much doubt her commitment to the cultish folly that is the separatist cause in Scotland.
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Richardinho,

27/06/2008 13:45:16
#146 You identify the way in which various high profile supporters of independence have very different visions for Scotland, but you are wrong to think that this is inconsistent.

The point of a democracy is that everyone has different opinions and they have an opportunity to express these and vote according to them.

what Fry, Lennox and Soutar (and myself) all agree on is that Scots do not have the ability to elect the kind of government that they want. It is only through independence that they and other Scots will properly be able to determine the direction that they want the country to go in.
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Saruman,

27/06/2008 14:08:19
#136 Alan B writes: The election of David Cameron will probably be the thing that propells scotland to independence.

I don’t know what you are basing this assumption on because, if you actually listened to Cameron, he fully accepts the principle of devolution and says that it’s up to the devolved administrations to work within the powers granted to them and that you just have to “go with it”.

Cameron is prepared to adopt a “laissez faire” attitude towards Scotland, just as long as Salmond desists from interfering in reserved matters and I completely fail to see how this will drive Scotland towards separatism. Indeed, Scots have now elected the SNP, the party mopping up the anti Labour voters who would be turning to Labour if they lived in England: a Tory government nationally will not be any cause of friction in Scotland.
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Shaken,

27/06/2008 14:13:14
Monkeyman

I think you do your fellow primates a disservice. Even apes have a better grasp of world affairs than you. People in this country are educated about Aids and treatment here can reduce the ill effects and extended people's life's exponentially.

In certain places in Africa the considered treatment is to rape a virgin, who would you consider needs the help more?
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elizabeth the first ,

27/06/2008 14:14:07
141. you are totally correct,the problem is,why is Lennox doing this NOW,I DON'T THINK IT'S TO SUPPORT AN INDEPENDENT SCOTLAND,rather to enhance a career that is going down the drain.
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Shaken,

27/06/2008 14:14:18
In fact don't bother replying

Just bang a couple of rocks together!
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elizabeth the first ,

27/06/2008 14:17:26
149. Totally agree,infact both England and Scotland will be in a win win situation with the election of a conservative government.
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A Better Way,

Edinburgh 27/06/2008 14:22:00
The Labour Parody Trolls on here are certainly doing a wonderful job for the SNP. Every one of their purile comments based on lies, drives another Scot to support the rights of Scots to run their own Nation.

As for Annie Lennox and Sean Connery, well trust a Unionist Party Member to attack taxpayers like London Labour. Sean has paid well in excess of £500,000 a year in tax to the London Monstrosity. Annie will have paid more tax in a year than the Unionist Losers have in their lifetime. Look at Nikostratos and his little shop in Gorgie. The man fears he will lose his huge corporation in the event of Independance. He probably spends his whole life making excuses on why he cant get ahead. Yet this little numpty takes the small business savings by the SNP, like 180,000 small business's here in our nation.

Of course these same little Westminster Labour supporters who are deserting the party on a day to day basis, have to endure the yelping dog noises of the Unionists on these boards.

Get to grips with the fact that Scotland will be a fully Independant Nation again. Make your choices about whether you want to live in Scotland or in the case of many of the little Unionists,England. Then just do it. Backup your so called believes and stay in what remains of Briton. Meanwhile we Scots will get on with the job of fixing up the mess London New Labour, London LibDems and London Tories left our people in. 500,000 Scots living in Poverty. 100,000 Scots unable to get a roof of their own because right wing Labour followed Thatchers policy of Buy or do without, because they built 6 new council houses in Scotland over the Ten Years of their control.

Unionists are self interested low lifes who couldnt give a shoite about the less fortunate in Scottish Society, as long as they are right. To be a Unionist is to be a traitor to Scotlands People. No more betrayal to London. Get out and let Scots decide what Scots want to do.
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danskot,

denmark 27/06/2008 14:55:06
did you know that if you exchange a scottish banknote abroad you will recive a little less in than if you exchange an english banknote.... strange that ...that little difference tells you already that there is a big difference in the economies of the u.k... nothing united about that ,,,
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Alex, Young Laird d' Drumchapel,

Madrid 27/06/2008 14:58:10
And the prize for naive poster of the day goes to: 149 Saruman,27/06/2008 14:08:19 for authoring the following: "a Tory government nationally will not be any cause of friction in Scotland."

Innocence can be touching, eh? Imagine it. The poor in Scotland suffer whilst the Tories in London rob Scotland of its oil at $200 per barrel.

Role on the referendum. Which I believe will be shortly after the Tories win the Westminster election and the SNP take over half of Labour's seats of them.

Ahhhh, might just order the cigars now.
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Alex, Young Laird d' Drumchapel,

Madrid 27/06/2008 15:06:30
No the reason why the troll or unionist cyber-sandbags fill the threads with fears, lies and venom is because they have no other weapons. Their parties are stupid, meaningless and/or corrupt; the SNP government are successful, very popular and are identified clearly as the party that sticks up for Scotland.

There is no opposition to the SNP nor can there be anymore, now that the cat is out the bag. The unionist cyber sand-bags can only resort to negative tactics just like their parties who rely on compliant newspapers to shore up their core support.

The problem for them is that - it's not working. It's a slow death and painful. From the outside it's a fantastic blood-sport but to be honest I'd rather be getting on with reorganising and independent Scotland; there's work to be done.
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danskot,

denmark 27/06/2008 15:11:41
it is obvious that the debate on an independent scotland is a very touchy subject ,many are for and many against. yet after following this independence debate for some time now i have yet to see anybody come up with a real definative answer for the pro,s and con,s...many people seem honestly scared to the thought of an independent scotland but i fell that it is the only way forward,i mean it can,t get any worse than it is ..one thing for sure,a scot is a scot regardless of religion,wealth or political alliances
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kimba,

27/06/2008 15:33:43
I’m surprised that noone’s mentioned Anny’s album Songs of Mass Destruction,bet she won’t be in a hurry to move back when it all goes pearshaped,she’d be scared rich people like her would be made to pay really high tax to fund the deficit. Noone’s convinced by Nat economics,even the Nats don’t believe it all,but they just don’t care lol
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Alex, Young Laird d' Drumchapel,

Madrid 27/06/2008 15:36:54
danskot, the reason there has been no adult debate is because of the tactics of unionism. The SNP are trying to engage the civic community in a dialogue about Scotland's future. Unionists are not joining in and instead have set up a commission which will not consider the option of independence.

Add that to the sterile politics of lies and smears which are loyally conveyed by their henchmen in the press and you see a pathetic politics bereft of any soul.

I for one know that the independence referendum is going to be about hope versus fear for the future. There will be no coherent case for the union made. For independence the arguments are well versed and multi-faceted.

I, like the Scottish population, am sick to the teeth of unionist propaganda tactics. People want to move on now though and the lies, smears and negativity are increasingly redundant. They couldn't win the last election and have snow-drops chance in the great inferno of winning the next.
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Edinburghs only big team,

27/06/2008 15:42:17
Mr Canary and some woman that sang in the 80s.

Good to see the snp still has big league economic followers.

Pity none of these people bother with scotland unless its self promotion from their homes abroad.

Very condescending.


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M.Corleone,

2nd Vatican State .... Coatbridge 27/06/2008 15:44:46
#2.... I want an Africa free of hunger and disease and corruption, but that doesn't mean I need to stay there.
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Banana Heid,

Ayrshire 27/06/2008 16:34:54
I wonder what other Scottish personalities think Scotland should be an Independant country! Perhaps the pollsters should do a poll on this 1 and see what comes out the woodwork!
134

The Canadian,

27/06/2008 16:48:09
I have just listened to the Gaelic news program on Radio nan Gaidheal to find once again that the anti-Gaelic bigots in Caithness have succeeded in stopping a Gaelic-medium Unit/School going ahead in Thurso.

Can someone please explain how this helps create a Scottish image rather than a biggoted one throughout the World.
Also where do all the new Scottish Government bodies such as Bord-na-Gaidhlig stand other on this issue.

Does not look good for anything other than intolerance in Scotland. Poor, poor show Caithness and Scotland.
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Alan B,

27/06/2008 17:07:19
#danielrober

I really do not see where u are coming from.

"Nothing but clearing the decks of every capable scot"
Explain and justify.

"By god the face of nationalisum is ugly and deaf."
So every country that runs itself is wrong. What are u advocating a single world government.

Realistically we have the choice of a failing union with the uk or moving to independence and transforming our country.

"After separation by English and Scottsih fanatics, i'll probably move to Wales"

So if scotland democratically chooses to improve itself and votes to take control of political decision making within scotland u will move to Wales. In what way are statements like that mature.

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Alex, Young Laird d' Drumchapel,

Madrid 27/06/2008 17:09:09
He'll be the only g a y in the village.
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Alan B,

27/06/2008 17:10:45
#danielrober

U actually show the complete weakness of the union in ur argument. U have nothing to say about why the union should remain. Nothing to say about why the union is failing scotland. Nothing to say about how the union can be transformed to work for scotland.

The whole unionist argument from labour is one of fear.
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inkster,

27/06/2008 17:30:28


Once upon a time there was a country of 5 million people who had vast reserves of oil, coal & hydro power?

All the wealth of this country was administered by an unelected tyrant in a foreign country who controlled the Treasury, the Army and the Press.

International opinion ignored its plight. Nelson Mandela, the UN, the USA, Europe, Russia, China ...

Not surprisingly the country voted convincingly for independence in 2010.

In 2011 the country was invaded and the all the land and assets were confiscated.

It happened before - it can happen again.

Take control before its too late.
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Angus Ogg,

27/06/2008 17:30:47

#145, Monkey,

What gets me about people like you is in real life they are too frightened to say boo to a goose.

Your likes crawl from under some anonymouse internet rock, or out of a dark cyber cave, and under the cloak of a fake name, slag off some decent human being like Annie Lennox who has spent her life entertaining people and giving something to the world.

Worthless cretin ne're do wells like you who will never amount to anything than a feckless dole scrounger make the internet a really poisonous place.
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Rodster,

Glasgow 27/06/2008 17:40:28
27/06/2008 17:10:45
#danielrober

U actually show the complete weakness of the union in ur argument. U have nothing to say about why the union should remain. Nothing to say about why the union is failing scotland. Nothing to say about how the union can be transformed to work for Scotland.

The whole unionist argument from Labour is one of fear

HEAR HEAR Alan well said sir .!!!

I have on many occasions in the Scotsman and The herald given many , many reasons for my desire for Self Determination , never once has any Unionist been able to rebut my reasons or put forward any reason to justify the union except the old chestnuts
too weak ,too poor ,too small , will not be allowed in EU or UN , we will be invaded no clout ion the world
Just like the Irish in EU no clout
Why anyone can be opposed to self determination and dignity beats me


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Alan B,

27/06/2008 18:13:46
#danielrober

I never call u weak. I said ur argument was weak.

Most of ur post #171 was to insult those that feel the union is not good for scotland.

"What we have done in the last ten years is amazing"
That is ur opinion. I do not share that opinion. I think labour have been poor at governing.

Not sure how u can say ur are a socialist and then say the last 10yrs are amazing. Labour have little in common with socialism.

I am talking about true socialism not some label certain people want to cling to. Socialism is the state owning the means of production. Socialism is not social democracy which is what labour have morphed into.

"There is more to life and countries than politics"

For me i want independence to improve scotland. After 10yrs of labour we still have a slow growing economy. So as far as i can see the tories and labour have both failed to transform scotlands economy.

Do u honestly think if labour stay in power for another 10yrs they would sort out scotlands economy. Not a chance.

For me the economy is vitally important as it means jobs, and better living standards for us and our children. It is also the basis for dealing with other social ills like poverty and poor health.

At the end of the day that u can say "last ten years is amazing" shows how differently people view things and what peoples expectations are.

I do not want my children (only got one at the moment) having to go down to london just because their are few decent jobs. Over the last 10yrs i have been in london and ireland simply because the opportunities are so much better. When u come back to scotland u do so knowing ur career opportunities are much more limited.

Yes there is more to life than politics, but why would anyone that thinks scotland could perform aswell as some of the other small european nations settle for less.

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Alan B,

27/06/2008 18:16:19
#happy english

One point because u want independence does not necessarily make u a republican. Many may be republican but the primary reason for independence is too improve the governance and running of scotland.
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Alan B,

27/06/2008 18:26:06
#danielrober

"concerns in life than in this one issue of separation"

I think u misunderstand the reason for independence. Independence is not the point of the exercise. It is to better manage scotland. It is to allow scotland to address scotlands problems.

Within the union if england vote tory the uk is run by the tory party with little representation in scotland and wales.

U say u are a socialist but remaining with the union cause 17yrs of tory rule with little scottish support for that government.

I want a scottish parliament free to make choices for the benefit of scotland not constrained by westminster. If there is to be a union with the other uk countries have one that benefits scotland.

Personally i can see not advantage in the union. The big areas that may be created some arguments for the union have been superceded by the EU. Where i like the euro, single market and the freedom of movenment of people.

I want consent of the scottish people for issues like id cars, 42 days notice. I want the sp to control firearms. I want the scotland to decide on nuclear issues.

Realistically can u think of one area where it is best to pull power at westminster. Unless u are in denial about the state of scotland low economic growth and dislike the eu the only area i can see any debate round is having a defence union.
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Draco Was a Wimp,

Edinburgh 27/06/2008 18:29:30
Thank the Lord Annie Lennox was there to let me see the truth. I'll be sure to change my vote now.
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ThomasP,

27/06/2008 18:58:34
185 danielrober.

You've not actually defended the Union in your statement.
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Jock MacTamson 2,

Highlands 27/06/2008 19:05:03
#185 danielrober

Many of the positive things happened inspite of the Labour government rather than becuase of them but I applaud your honesty in the post, being a labour supporter at the moment must be difficult for anyone with honesty, integrity and sanity.

I am curious about the babyboomer comments. Are we going to kill all the old folk? or just let them visit one of the country's flagship hospitals and hope they catch some superbug ?

I do not have time to check the answer as my tea's out and I am still in the office.
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elizabeth the first ,

27/06/2008 19:05:16
Funny how all the Celebrities that support the SNP,live anywhere but Scotland.
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elizabeth the first ,

27/06/2008 19:08:14
Good night all,I'm off to be wined and dined by my wonderful husband.
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ThomasP,

27/06/2008 19:09:28
My generation are actually being told to pay for their own pension because a Government pension will not be available.
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ThomasP,

27/06/2008 19:29:54
191 danielrober

We will have all those things when Scotland becomes Independent.
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Brian S,

London/Edinburgh 27/06/2008 19:50:08
#193

Does that mean we finally get a bit of peace and quiet?
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Conan the Librarian™,

27/06/2008 20:18:10
197
Profound stuff.

Can I have a pint of what you are on?
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tearortwo,

burton on trent 27/06/2008 20:21:55
#110

Where can you get a hump for tuppence?
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HEN BROON 5,

ALBA being held back by the UK 27/06/2008 20:30:41
#192. LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

British Pride,
11/04/2008 18:16:47
553. Whoa! Great! Such typical SNP incite. Fantastic! I only post as Highland Mighty, can you say the same you cyber-nay???

http://tinyurl.com/944cj
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Conan the Librarian™,

27/06/2008 20:43:13
199
Ye Olde Knocking Shoppe, circa 1633.
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HEN BROON 5,

ALBA being held back by the UK 27/06/2008 20:50:24

MPs back calls for identity theft jail sentences

Parliamentary lobby group Eurim backs Information Commissioner
Daniel Thomas, Computing, 24 May 2006
Click here to find out more!

Parliamentary lobby group Eurim is supporting the UK Information Commissioner's calls to jail identity thieves.

Earlier this month Information Commissioner Richard Thomas told government that the sale of stolen personal information – gathered from phishing and other identity theft scams – was getting worse.

He also recommended a two-year jail sentence for convicted fraudsters that traded individual's stolen financial or sensitive data.

Labour MP Margaret Moran, chairman of IT parliamentary lobby group Eurim has now backed Thomas's recommendations.

'I strongly support the Information Commissioner's call for prison sentences for illegal buying and selling of information,' she said.

Moran added: 'We also need to address the copying of files of personal details to support systematic identity theft and fraud and the provision of personal data to terrorist groups, whether from the files of the DVLA, the shareholders registers of pharmaceutical companies GSK or intelligence files of law enforcement agencies.'

The current UK Data Protection Act does not include prison sentences, with the highest fine to date equaling £7,000.

However, Eurim added that, despite security fears, joined-up information systems in government and business are vital.

Moran added that better guidance was needed in terms of outlining who should have access to IT systems and how they should be secured.

What do you think? Email us at feedback@computing.co.uk
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Willie Macleod,

Wick 27/06/2008 21:58:39
#205 Meths I agree, this sad poster should go, or join in the debate.

#204 Give your thoughts opinions ideas anything, but stop pouring your hatred all over these threads.
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Conan the Librarian™,

27/06/2008 22:10:37
Evening Willie
It is annoying, truely.
But there are people out there that have mental health problems.
Obsession is one.

Being a total ncut is another.
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Conan the Librarian™,

27/06/2008 22:28:21
206
I mispelled "truely" and "ncut", because of the censorbot.

I am getting really ssiped ffo with this cheap and lazy form of censorship.

The Scotsman used to have a grown up editor, which let readers say words like n i p of whisky, etc.

If you are still employed here, Alan Editor, be ashamed.
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quepasache,

27/06/2008 22:31:56
Conan #75
Conan library

"To silence AM2?

You would need a very large gag."

Sorry that funny remark made me laugh and I'm sorry I have been in away. And I always respect Conan's opinion. I read his blog about Am2 it was so-o funny all about a day in the life of Am2. All the insane funny details about the cups he drinks from and his Auntie in the Gorbals and the colour of the coverlet in the bedsit he inhabis on the Anniesland Cross. Ha I die laughing Conan. Man you should be on the BBC with Kirstel Work. I have lost the address. Can you tell me the blog address plese.


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Eve,

Scotland 27/06/2008 22:46:50
Scottish Indepedence, I hope it happens before I turn 30. The union is so backwards and negative, it's depressing.



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Conan the Librarian™,

27/06/2008 22:48:18
Why, thank you quepasache, but I'm afraid I did not write that blog, it was dedicated to me by the author.

If you really wish to die laughing, vote Labour at the next election.

And bet on them losing.
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Eve,

Scotland 27/06/2008 23:05:01
#192 happy english,: Firstly: Hipocrate!

"(they only recieved £10 from the Tories" & " Labour has not been all bad and I do believe that at times it is better the Devil you know." In the same comment, Surely from what you say it would be that we're better off with the Tory party than the Labour.



Secondly Labour have an apaling record in some areas of Scotland, Lanarkshire being one. The problem being is they knew that they would be elected now mattter what. And never bovered to properly repersent the people.

Personaly I think change is a good thing and things staying to same are borring and are at risk of becoming backwards and occward. You only need to look at Zambee (sorry can't spell the country) to see a good example of how occward these things can become.

But then may be the English Labour party differs from the Scotland one! Your welcome to elect who ever you see fit to run your country just as we are or should be in ours.
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ThomasP,

27/06/2008 23:34:06
213 AM2,Scotland,UK

"but I am not morally responsible."

Wendy said that to and she came out guilty xD
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An Beal Bacht,

28/06/2008 00:16:13
I get a bit tired of AM2's holier than thou attitude but add my condemnation to revealing his personal details. Bad form - nae class ataw.
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An Beal Bacht,

28/06/2008 00:35:10
220 - AM2, Scotland,UK 28/06/2008 00:31:17 wrote:

"#219 An Beal Bacht

It's not a "holier than thou" attitude. It's just an attempt to keep things on the level. And they're not my personal details. Perhaps if they were, I'd be less concerned at what's happened."

I stand corrected. Cheer up - take in a wee show -

Harmonia
11/07/08
ABC Glasgow, Glasgow
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An Beal Bacht,

28/06/2008 02:45:33
222 - At the Barrowlands - no - out of the country - will be going to see Mogwai in Toronto at the Pheonix on Monday though.

Slainte
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connaughtboy,

stonehaven 28/06/2008 07:38:49
AM2, I have to say that your arrogant posts are bound to attract the negative responses. What's the big deal? If you don't like it, then stop being so deliberately provocative. Things like "just wait for the uproar from the nationalists" (I paraphrase), before anyone has actually commented. You obviously relish the debate but only on your terms.
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obeone,

28/06/2008 07:53:36
Such a pretty picture, a nuclear free scotland, leading the environmentalist cause and selling oil which is not polluting at all......
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Richard Taylor,

Aberdeen 28/06/2008 08:41:03
Bye, Bendy Wendy - resignation speech due today.
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monkey man,

01/07/2008 20:25:34
# 174

Even the deaf find Annie Lennox's "singing" painful. lol

She's just another embarrassing hasbeen whose better shutting up than humilating herself even further.

 

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