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Published Date: 21 October 2008
AT LEAST nine sex offenders monitored under new "gold standard" procedures have gone on to commit violent or sexual crimes, it has been revealed.
In April last year, police forces, social work departments and prisons were required to operate new arrangements to manage dangerous offenders in the community, amid growing concern about convicted paedophiles and rapists targeting victims after th
ey are released from jail.

The so-called Mappa – multi-agency public protection arrangement – rules had already been introduced in England and Wales, where experts believe they have successfully reduced the likelihood of sex offenders reoffending.

Yesterday, the findings of the first year of Mappa in Scotland were published, and revealed that the vast majority of Scotland's 3,000-plus registered sex offenders were complying with requirements to register their address and attend monitoring meetings with police and social workers.

However, 183 people were reported to the authorities for breaching the terms of the sex offenders register. Sixty-three were returned to custody as a result, while nine offenders in the police's most serious risk categories were convicted of a further serious sexual or violent offence.

Police would not disclose details about the nine reoffenders but they were among the 979 worst offenders in Scottish communities supervised at the highest levels by police and other agencies. Police also failed to disclose how many so-called "level one" sex offenders – the 2,300 who are deemed to require monitoring by only one agency – went on to commit serious crimes.

Detective Superintendent Willie Manson, who co-ordinated the scheme, said the first year indicated success. "It's worth pointing out that any serious or violent sexual offence is of great concern. But we need to look at this figure in the context of 979 offenders being managed at these levels.

"This number is unlikely to ever be zero but Mappa gives us an effective structure to allow all the responsible authorities to work together to share information and agree risk management plans that minimise that risk."

He added: "I believe we've made considerable progress in the management of the risks posed by some members of the community."

The Mappa reports showed there were 3,131 registered sex offenders on 31 March, one year after the new system began.

Deputy Chief Constable Bill Skelly, of the Association of Chief Police Officers in Scotland, said there were two known offenders currently wanted by authorities and 19 who had left the country.

Welcoming the area reports, he said: "When we're talking about risk and the protection of the public, it's one that can be considered a success."

However, Labour's justice spokesman, Richard Baker, cautioned the police against complacency. "With over 180 breaches and nine examples of very serious reoffending, this is by no means a success. It's concerning that at Peterhead Prison many sex offenders are leaving the jail without any treatment.

"More needs to be done both in prison and in the community," he added.

John Lamont, Conservative community safety spokesman, said: "The simple fact is that if someone remains a risk, they cannot be released."

Fife recorded the highest number of sex offenders per head of population, at 80 out of every 100,000 people.

Last month, Sean McKay, from Edinburgh, was jailed for nine years after holding a woman hostage in his flat and repeatedly raping her. McKay was a serial sex offender who had been subject to Mappa monitoring at the time of the attack.

FACT BOX
UNDER the new Mappa rules, convicted sex offenders are divided into three broad categories.


About 2,300 offenders are classed as "level one" cases. These are people who are deemed to be a low-risk of re-offending and require monitoring by one agency alone.

This could, for example, mean they have to report to social workers every month, without ever having to deal with the police.

Almost 1,000 offenders are classed as "level two" – they require supervision by at least two agencies, and usually pose a greater threat of reoffending.

They will probably receive regular visits by social workers, and, to protect young families, housing officials may be consulted if they want to move home.

The smallest group, but by far the most dangerous sex offenders, are in "level three".

These so-called "critical few" – they number about 60 – require the closest, most comprehensive supervision of all. This might include including regular visits by police and social workers, the tracking of vehicles by number plate-recognising cameras, living in approved accommodation and being banned from approaching children.






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  • Last Updated: 21 October 2008 12:42 AM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
 
1

Guga II,

Rockall 21/10/2008 01:15:14
Pædophiles and similar preverts (spelling for the sake of the Hootsmon censors) cannot be rehabilitated, and always re-offend. To protect the public, these people should be locked away for the rest of their natural life, in lieu of hanging them.

As far as all the "dangerous sex offenders" in level three, they also should never be allowed out. The government are failing in their duty of care to the public by letting them out of gaol.

The other alternative is to dump all these preverts, along with all the violent neds and thugs, on South Georgia, and leave them to get on with it.
2

Finlang,

Switzerland 21/10/2008 01:52:35
If I could be bothered I could dig out the statistics, as in the course of my work I've had the unlikely privilege of compiling and analysing reams of facts and figures on this depressing subject.

Convicted sex offenders re-offend. It is their way. There is no cure for those who have no desire to be cured. The dedicated unit at Peterhead Prison, for example, is one monumental bloody waste of taxpayers' money and should be disbanded. Sex offenders need to suffer in prison for their crimes against humanity, and not be allowed to profit from their vile affliction in diverting much-needed - or superfluous - resources from more deserving quarters.

3

GalacticCannibal,

Murrieta CA for more WAR VOTE geriatric McCain 21/10/2008 05:17:07
Sex criminals reoffend despite safeguards
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Keep it simple dudes.

These low life trash of society, can be stopped for little cost ..
Castrate all of them

The castration must be done on a raised platform in a Public Square.

No pain killer given, no anesthetic. Use a 13th Century iron pliers to remove the sex offenders genitals.

Keep it simple

Chill out Dudes

GC
4

common sense voice,

21/10/2008 06:19:26
just murder them!
5

Anton,

Porto Sant'Elpidio 21/10/2008 07:44:52
I'm not a violent person and am against death penalty, but with sex offenders there are no half measures. First offence, surgical castration including organ (the "p***s" word was not accepted...) ablation, and a life sentence with no discounts. Same goes for female offenders, allowing for anatomical differences.
6

Boy Wonder,

21/10/2008 08:18:42
Sexual deviancy is a deep-rooted psychological disturbance that cannot be cured. Only studied and then neutered by whatever means.

Frankly, it's much kinder to put us out of their misery by giving them lethal injections!
7

Iain's,

21/10/2008 09:23:30
Of course they do! It is just their nature.

The problem is that the government has closed the big mental hospitals where such people used to be kept and given us 'care in the community'instead.
In a way, sex criminals are victims of the so-called criminal justice system, just like their victims.
8

An Greumach Mor,

Scotland 21/10/2008 09:32:31
The whole criminal justice system needs to reflect what people in society think. Their is no link between crime and punishment.

eg. murder - 8 years served, rape - 3 years served, Money Laundering and Tax Evasion - 10 years served

Why do preverts constantly get treated as victims and received many times the support offered to the actual victims.

100% conclusively guilty Violent sex offenders should just be shot. I think it costs over £10000 per week to keep them in jail. When you could shoot them all in a morning.

The remaining ones should be housed beside their therapist and politician since they seem so keen on releasing these people back in to society, convinced they have cured deviant desire. It is impossible to cure and eventually they all re offend they just do not all get caught.

Extra special public displays for the Scout masters, School teachers, Ministers and Priests, etc as they have betrayed their position of trust. Public Castrations then shot for example.

Job done by Christmas and the children can go back out to play.
9

Alan B,

21/10/2008 09:57:26
A proper life sentence would prevent reoffending.

Having ridiculously short sentenses for serious crimes just does not work.
10

brownlie,

21/10/2008 10:32:09
The Sex Offenders Rehab Programme in Peterhead is an absolute farce. To get on the programme an offender has to admit his offence and express a wish to address his offending.

Sexual predators, who prey on the vulnerable, by the very nature of their offences, are devious and plausible. They, therefore, pay lip-service to the programme and when they face the parole board their chances of parole are enhanced.

If, however, some-one is adamant that they are innocent and maintain this throughout their stay, they cannot attend the programme and their chances of being paroled are adversely affected.

It would seem that the more devious and, therefore, more dangerous offenders would qualify for early release.
11

Teofilio Cubillas,

21/10/2008 10:56:36
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12

Teofilio Cubillas,

21/10/2008 11:04:09
"However, Labour's justice spokesman, Richard Baker, cautioned the police against complacency. "With over 180 breaches and nine examples of very serious reoffending, this is by no means a success. It's concerning that at Peterhead Prison many sex offenders are leaving the jail without any treatment."

The hypocricy of politicians is staggering. Far from being complacent, the police arrested and secured the conviction of Sean Mackay twice in the 80's and 90's for similar crimes, only for him to be released and go on to abduct and repeatedly rape his victim earlier this year. How about introducing sentencing guidelines that ensure the safety of the public before worrying about the rights of scum like Mackay?
13

CS,

Edinburgh 21/10/2008 11:33:51
Human rights should be given to those who act like decent human beings, sex offenders give up this privilege when they act like beasts. The law abiding public has the right to go about their legal business without having to unknowingly run the risk of being sexually molested by a convicted felon. Ignorance is not admissible as a defence in a court of law and with holding evidence is a prosecutable offence, why then is it acceptable that the public be left in ignorance by the powers that be to the potential dangers in their mist.
14

MickyFinn,

Livingston 21/10/2008 12:05:10
Yea Human Rights should not count when a person violates some other persons human rights.
Be like some american states highlight where they stay and have warning signs etc. As for castration do not think it would work still in the mind.
15

TimW1234,

Ottawa, Canada 21/10/2008 12:45:44
Some REALLY gruesome postings today on this controversial and vexed subject.

The sexual impulse - especially in young or youngish men - very strong and if it is directed towards children it can cause havoc and ruin a child's life forever.

I am not forgetting that any rape, whatever the age of the victim, is a crime of control and the violence associated with it and the psychological repercussions - not forgetting the physical injuries such as choking, bleeding, cuts, bruises, broken bones, lost teeth, damaged eyes, ad nauseam - are truly horrifying.

But public attention is incensed by the brutal violation of young children by truly evil human scum.

I don't think public hangings and actual castrations are the answer - chemical castration perhaps and the retightening of the penalties for such despicable crimes.

Throw the book at them and throw away the key!
16

AtheT,

North of Aberdeen 21/10/2008 13:24:03
Chemical castration does not work. If they reoffend they go straight to torture and murder since they cant get their jollies any other way. Just off them and be done with it. To kill a rabid dog isnt murder. These sorts are no better then that. Its pest control.
17

Jay Kay,

21/10/2008 13:41:48
The first thing this country needs to do is get out of this bl**dy awful Human Rights Act, these monsters who prey on children deserve nothing better than the rope, and I for one would be happy to dish out the sentence and then go home to sleep very soundly in my bed at night.
Too many softie liberalist "oh poor wee lamb" brigade, for too many years we have listened and gone down that line. Where has it led us, to sex offenders suing the people for loss of their dignity for christs dake, what about the victims, every penny these animals win should be made go, by law, to the victim.

If for instance my ten year old daughter was to fall into their vile hands and become a victim I myself would probably end up in jail because I for one, would have that B**tard tied up by his b*lls and then beat the living snot out of him All this oh you should turn the other cheak rubbish, sorry you can keep that clap trap to yourself thanks.

Oh and I wont for one minute apologise to all the liberalist out there who think this is a "terrible way to view life" get real, the government are obviously lame, either that or for some perverted reason they see fit to protect these monsters. Well tuff sh*t, thats just how I and probably the majority of parents would feel if their young were molested by one of these animals.

If this happened to one of mine then I have a message to all Paedo's out there, you better damned well beware because If I got hold of you before the softie polis you would be for it and I would be quite happy to serve the any sentence handed down by the law.

Vigilantism, this is what the softie brigade are turning us, the law abiding citizens into. The system has failed, it is not failing and it can't be saved by monitoring. It's timethe government reverted back to the old ways, the streets were a damned sight safer by far. In my Grandads day they never had to lock their doors at night. People were more decent, and harming a child, for sex! would have meant a dat
18

Jay Kay,

21/10/2008 13:43:58
with the hangmans noose.
19

Helen Ahandcart,

Edinburgh 21/10/2008 14:59:55
Just a thought for those of you who're all for 'locking them up and throwing away the key', and worse - There is a WORLD of difference between someone who commits a relatively 'minor' offence - indecent exposure, for instance (which is commonly not about sex anyway and indicative of all manner of other mental problems, from temporary severe stress and disordered thinking to more serious illness) and really serious offences. It seems to me that it is entirely appropriate for the level of supervision to reflect the seroiusness of the crime and the chance of reoffending, which is assessed to take into account the circumstances, motivation, etc., of the offender. Most people who commit 'minor' offences, and are subject to a period of monitoring and relapse prevention treatment, actually don't reoffend. They learn other ways of coping with whatever drove them to offend in the first place, which is rarely uncontrollable sexual urges.
I'm not sure it's a positive thing to group, say, a person who has sufered a mental health episode and expressed themselves in a completely inappropriate way, with a child molester. However both will end up as registered sex offenders. This is appropriate, but has in itself all manner of implications which restrict the individual. The punishment (restriction, probation, supervision) should be complemented by treatment and it has to be proportional to the offence! The majority of registered sex offenders are low risk, and are monitored and/or supervised effectively. They are not all child molesters.
20

ddmc,

21/10/2008 15:03:31
if the level 2 & 3 are such a risk of re-offending then why are they let go, they should be held until they reach level 1 & if some never reach level 1 then keep them locked up for good !
21

Mcsnagpile,

21/10/2008 15:06:05
I like the way everybody jumps on the band wagon and agree that criminals are incurable. I hate to disappoint you but ALL criminals are curable ---oh woe,, how sad,, no gratuitous violence against sex offenders.
The reason they are not cured is because it is deemed against human rights.
How much money we would save by curing all criminals, we would have plenty to subsidise the loony financial system.
22

Jaq,

21/10/2008 15:09:48
Castrating them wont work it is all about power u can still have a power fix without working bits.Killing them is treading a fine line, for some who only rape would then be more inclined to kill the victim for fear of the repecussions.Perhaps putting them all in a high security cesspit where they can abuse each other with no chance of ever being released.After all they condem their victims to a damaged life. Do we really want to talk about their human rights,anyone who comits the acts they do are not human they are animlas and should be treated as such.
23

Mcsnagpile,

21/10/2008 15:30:25
No 22---- There are well tried brain washing techniques,aversion therapies and many other methods that will cure all reoffending criminals without cuting off body parts etc.
24

Jaq,

21/10/2008 16:13:53
23
wich is exactly why I said castrating them will not work.As to brainwashing teqs aversion therapies and many other methods those are all well and good but the long term stats of such things would suggest otherwise.Have u ever been abused? do u know of the long term damage it inflicts on the innocent child/victim.In these days of political correctness where we are no longer allowed to physicaly punish our children,tell me does it seem fair that we worry about the human rights of the perpetrators of abuse?The world has gone mad with don't say this, don't think that.These animals gave up there right to human rights when they choose to abuse a child.I would say put them to death but that is not my right and could have long term cosequences for future victims. They do not belong in society no ifs no buts they need to be put in a place where they can be among there ilk,pick an island put security around it and let them run wild abuseing each other.Minimum cost to the taxpayer and they get to see what it feels like,SORTED!
25

Helen Ahandcart,

Edinburgh 21/10/2008 16:30:42
#24 - WHAT long term stats on on brainwashing techniques and aversion therapy?

26

Jaq,

21/10/2008 16:48:42
Sex offender rehabilitation has been questioned for years in that nobody can actually prove that it works. It is extremely hard to rehabilitate a sex offender because in a nutshell you will have to brainwash them to think differently than they do now. Many ways of rehabilitation have been introduced but they all have their pros and cons.
Aversion therapy is a form of behavior modification that employs unpleasant and sometimes painful stimuli in an effort to help a patient unlearn socially unacceptable or harmful behavior. The first recorded use of aversion therapy was in 1930 for the treatment of alcoholism, but by the 1950s and 1960s it had become one of the more popular methods used to "cure" sexual deviation.Of the handful of methods psychoanalysts employed to treat sex offending, aversion therapy was arguably the most inhumane.
There is a secure unit in America that uses several diffrent teqs in order to rehabilitate them,some of the methods used include vol chemical castration as well as aversion,but people released from there have gone on to reoffend.I personaly believe it goes to deep to be cured,it is often likened to a cycle in that males who are abused go on to become abusers.So unless a way is found to put a stop to it before another cycle begins then it goes on and on.Why I say put em in an island comunnity that they can't get out of.Let them live out there lives among others that way inclined and stop it from carrying on.
27

Jaq,

21/10/2008 17:04:37
For anyone that would like some insight into the long term damage that they do here is some

Memories of Me

Within the memories locked away,
Some may fade some will stay,
Times of sorrow, times of pain,
Like teardrops in the falling rain,
Hard to see, but yet still there,
Sometimes the past is hard to bare.

A little girl, small and alone,
Glowing love turned to stone,
Suddenly learning to trust no one,
Finding there’s no place to run,
Anger rage replaces love,
Born the eagle gone the dove.

Suddenly grown up oh so fast,
Her life’s her own forget the past.
And yet the memories still return,
Why the darkness not the sun,
Sometimes she cries when no one can see,
I wish the past would set her free!!!
28

Helen Ahandcart,

Edinburgh 21/10/2008 17:11:54
Jaq - I know what aversion therapy IS, I'm asking for the source of your stats on its long-term success rates (to include type of offender, method/duration of therapy/study design (comparison against control group?)/validity/outcome measurement).

Incidentally, your assertion that rehabilitation is difficult- 'you will have to brainwash them to think differently than they do now' - surely the same could then be said of all sorts of proven techniques, such as cognitive behavioural therapy, a well established method of making people 'think differently than they do now'.

Various forms of therapy, education and supervised rehabilitation DO work. I am not talking about the most serious of sexual offences, more of the 'minor' type (see my comment #19) - but to label all registered sex offenders as the same, and completely beyond any sort of rehabilitation and return to a non-offending life - is wrong.

29

Jaq,

21/10/2008 17:35:02
The stats I refer to come from various articles I have read.Yes I can see what u mean about indecent exposure not being the same as rape and prolonged sexual abuse. I stand my ground on the latter they need to be put where they can do no more harm.The victim of the crime suffers a quite literal life sentence. It changes them it makes them unable to see things clearly, untill some time in the future they face up to what happened and then evaluate and start to move on. All of wich is tramatic.Even after moving on from it it still taints them, not on the outside but on the inside and that can never be changed,It can be recovered from but it will never go it is then part of them.So why should they have a couple of years sentence? why should they be allowed to do it again? Bottom line is they should not. If there is a chance they will reoffend they need taking out of society.It has taken me many years to get to a place where I say remove them, for trust me 10 years ago I would rather have killed them with my own bare hands.That in itself scares me as it is a statment of fact! Now u multiply that by the amount of untreated victims out there,people, human beings who through no choice of there own prob think similar to what I did, their acts make their victims into monsters in thought if not in actual deed.These animals need to be removed only then can we know they will not reoffend.
30

Rami,

Derry, New Hampshire U.S. 21/10/2008 17:42:22
#3) I also concur! Free Medical Surgery by the State:-)
31

Anton,

Porto Sant'Elpidio 22/10/2008 07:47:53
Does anybody here talking about aversion therapy etc, remember "A Clockwork Orange"?
32

The wilkman,

Isle of Skye 22/10/2008 12:17:06
Go to http://www.circles-uk.org.uk/

It's about a program, originally from Canada, that seems to work. It's only up and running in a few zones in the UK, and being developed in a few others - that's mainly 'cos it needs a lot of well vetted, well-trained volunteers.

The circles in the "Thames Valley and Hampshire" area have this record (a quote from the website):-
" .... Over the last 6 years the project has created 49 Circles although has supported over 65 individuals who have committed s-x--l offences living in the community. No person involved in the project has been convicted of a new s-x--l offence.... ".

There's nothing that's the whole answer. But it would help to realise that the perps are mostly ex-victims. And the "circles" scheme proves that enough people being willing to involve themselves in the lives of those released serious offenders who volunteer to allow this makes the chance of further offences vanishingly low.
33

The wilkman,

Isle of Skye 22/10/2008 13:10:08
Here's a webpage that describes the "Circles of Support and Accountability" projects well.
http://www.lucyfaithfull.org.uk/circles.htm
I've let them know I'll volunteer if it ever spreads this far. But maybe the lack of anonymity of an area like this does some of the work of such a project naturally.
34

Dragonhead,

Dalian,China 26/10/2008 01:55:27
Even the Chinese Law agrees with GugaII! Rape or violate a girl (or a boy, both are equal under the Law)under 14 years of age and you are likely for 'the chop'! Shooting is being replaced by lethal injection at the moment.Shooting upsets too many in the west!I see here on this article some shreiking for 'Public Castration,etc'.Strange that.Reviling China for doing it to drug traffickers and murderers, and yet demanding the same for paedophiles.How confused you are.They don't change,don't want to change,the only solutions are life without parole or death.Simple as eating chips.The government can't do that, half their voters would dissappear!

 

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