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Published Date: 21 April 2008
By Jenny Haworth
ENERGY-SAVING light bulbs are being used far less in Scotland than elsewhere in the UK, with only half as many people fitting them, a new study has revealed.
Only 27 per cent of Scottish households are using the environmentally friendly option, compared with 50 per cent in England and 59 per cent in Northern Ireland. The figure for Wales is 44 per cent, making Scotland by far the poorest performer.

Research by the Energy Saving Trust shows Scots could save some £98 million a year by making the switch: they would also save enough electricity to power 280,300 homes every year.

According to the study, 83 per cent of Scots who use energy-saving light bulbs think they are just as good as traditional ones. But those that do use them fit the bulbs in only three out of a possible 23 places in their home.

They are most likely to be installed on the landing, with the bathroom the least popular place to make the switch to energy-saving bulbs.

The research showed Glaswegians would save £12 million in cost and electricity, while residents of Edinburgh would save £9 million.

Mike Thornton, the director of the Energy Saving Trust in Scotland, said: "Lighting accounts for 15 per cent of a household's electricity bill. By switching to energy-saving light bulbs, you can save money and help the environment as well, without compromising on the look and feel of your home.

"It's true that a few years ago energy saving light bulbs were pretty ugly looking and didn't provide good light, but this is a thing of the past.

"Now, if you changed all your remaining bulbs to energy-saving ones over the course of their lifetime, they will save you £600 and 2.7 tonnes of ."

He went on: "Switching to energy-saving light bulbs is one of the easiest ways that householders can help battle the damaging effects of climate change and, as this survey shows, it needn't cost you the earth to make that switch. In fact, you will save quite a lot of money."

Sales of energy-saving light bulbs soared last year.

Between January and December, the total number of energy-saving bulbs bought was 21 million, compared with just over ten million the previous year.

Energy-saving light bulbs last ten times longer than traditional ones.

The bulbs no longer come in one standard shape and size. Now, energy-saving bulbs are available with bayonet and screw-cap fittings and as dimmer bulbs.


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  • Last Updated: 20 April 2008 9:12 PM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
 
1

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 21/04/2008 00:21:48
'Far-beit' the old, "Energy Savings" Light Bulbs were totally a,

'Heath-Robertson' affair,
(meaning, A 'jerry-rigged' cobbled-together repair.)

The new ones are fab, plenty of light now, and if you have to leave a light on for long hours, as in say a hall light overnight for your wee Tot's, the saving is amazing,

ie; a 7watt light saving bulb, gives you 60watts normal bulb output light,
and a 20watt light saving bulb, gives you 100watts normal bulb output light,

They take a second or two, to come on, to full light, but its all worth it in the end!

The Scott's being cautious however, may be slow on the uptake of these, lamps/bulbs, but who can blame them when the first editions were Soo Crap,

(once bitten now shy) and all that!
2

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 21/04/2008 00:25:58
Do you see the,..'Glow' BoyWonder!?.. :-)
3

Oor_Wullie,

ma_bucket 21/04/2008 00:30:06
"They are most likely to be installed on the landing, with the bathroom the least popular place to make the switch to energy-saving bulbs.."

- Exactly. If I really wanted to look 20 years older wae one flick o the switch, along wae that faint OhDearTheLiversGone yellow tinge first thing in the morning, ah wid switch tae "energy-saving" bulbs in the bathroom anaw, otherwise, leave them tae the landing where they belong, if you please. Not to mention how many more "environmental resources" the damn things actually cost to produce, which seems to be seldom mentioned - Yi can fool some people sometimes, anaw that. Devils Tools the lotta em, got enough problems wae how I look as it is, give me proper incadescents anyday o the week - especially on Monday Morning.
4

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 21/04/2008 00:47:22
Oor_Wullie @#3,

I recently installed one in the,..'Loo' it totally fab, plus the fact, it now don't matter if the,..'Loo' light is left on!, it don't cost as much as before when it was left on!
5

catgut,

pomona 21/04/2008 00:58:09
Low energy lights are great.
But why are we being ripped of by phillip etc.
You can buy these lights at a fraction of the cost in europe and south america. Why do we have to pay so much for them?
6

catgut,

pomona 21/04/2008 00:59:05
Low energy lights are great.
But why are we being ripped of by phillip etc.
You can buy these lights at a fraction of the cost in europe and south america. Why do we have to pay so much for them?
7

subrosa,

21/04/2008 00:59:39
I've mainly the new ones all through my house and bathrooms. There's a big difference between the old type and the light they give - bit like Wullie's description. But the new ones are great - just let them warm up for around 30 seconds.
8

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 21/04/2008 01:14:07
Can you all believe, .. 'Tesco's' in Edinburgh were selling all these energy saver lamps at a 'Penny each' a week ago!

I got 10 for ten-pence!, something to do with a Government initiative or sommid!

Unfortunately I got 5 with the wrong fittings, :-((

Today when I looked for more, they had all gone back up in price to about £3.00 each! :-((


9

truthsleuth,

21/04/2008 01:50:00
The lower wattage light bulbs can be got for less than £1 the earlier philips ones circa 1975 approx cost £20 but were well worth it as I have just broken the last of two I purchased then. They were however only suitable for non decorative purposes.

Now LED based lights asre more efficient and look better.

However there are doubts already about the materials used in production and production processes and consequent true energy saving / pollution.
10

Oor_Wullie,

ma_bucket 21/04/2008 02:13:43
#4, #7 - Gentleman, having lived as a sceptic amongst a culture of "Early Adopters" I would happily admit I may indeed have had my fingers burnt (again..) with previous incarnations of the dreaded "energy-saver" - upon your advice, I will try another. Again. And I will be asking you both for a refund afterwards. However, I did sample one from the darkest depths of the cupboard as recently as a couple of months ago (was either that, or pitch dark, difficult choice..) - was still cr*p, however in retrospect, the multiple layers of dust on the IKEA cardboard from which it was removed may well have meant it was indeed still one step removed from the "NooGeneration" of which you speak so brightly.

My own opinion as stated (till proved otherwise) still stands. I would admit there has maybe been a slight improvement in light output over the orginals, whereby you had to look up to the ceiling to see whether or not it was still switched on ("But its only 7 Watts!" - trips over cat in dimness, and cracks head on table..). However, I have also since heard from a few different "Environmentally Right-On" Types now that are boycotting the "energy-savers", as they (supposedly) take up more energy in the production than they would otherwise save over the use over normal bulbs. As said, this is only my received opinion, I do not know the exact truth of this or otherwise - leastways, ahll be able to be visit the Boycotters bathroom mirrors meantime without my eyes wide shut.

In all seriousness as well, there are *other* options, LED, Low Voltage, etc. - most of which provide, IMO a better quality light output than the savers whilst reducing consumption, the importance of which even I would not argue.
11

GrahamR,

Edinburgh 21/04/2008 02:32:36
Most of the 'low energy' bulbs I have bought seem to be either slow to light up or dimmer than would be expected from the ratings shown on the package.

As I seldom have any need to cool down my flat I am just as happy to run the older, less 'efficient', bulbs because, if the light isn't needed, at least it adds to the background heating.

The only concern I have is about the production and disposal costs of the bulbs. But, from what I've seen so far, that argument might go either way.

Now if I could only have a small nuclear generator in each light fitting....
12

GalacticCannibal,

Murrieta; . CA.....a place in the Sun 21/04/2008 04:50:55

I cannot understand why the Scots are so slow in switching to these energy saving bulbs. What's the problem dudes.

In our master bedroom and bath there are 23 energy saving bulbs . In my kitchen we have 15 of them. I have no idea the total in the house .

There are 8 in the garage , its a 4 car garage,.

Many times they are on 24 hours a day in the garage, forget to switch them off.

They cost approx $1.20 each or 60 UK pence.

A 13W = 60W incandescent bulb
The 13W has a 10,000 life hours, based on 4 hours avg. usage per day/ per week.

The only problem with these bulbs they contain a trace of Hg(Mercury) which is highly hazardous, and need special disposal procedure when the bulb fails.

Happy Energy Saving Bulb day

GC
13

laurals,

Biggar 21/04/2008 05:04:27
Our flat is totally energy saving lights. I did find ordinary ones provided poor light for my craft activities, then I discovered the daylight variety, some say the light from them is too cold. I can even knit black yarn at night with eco-daylight bulbs, couldn't do that with old filament daylight bulbs. Got mine on eBay , haven't seen them in any shops
14

laurals,

Biggar 21/04/2008 05:07:31
You can recycle old ones at IKEA to avoid putting mercury in landfill. There are containers to collect them, and batteries near the collection/returns desk.
15

Drum Major,

Brisbane, Australia 21/04/2008 06:26:30
These low energy lamps are mini fluoros. A normal fluoro tube can take 10 minutes to give off maximum lux. Minis do not take as long. The power used in switching it on is more than for the following hour. Accordingly switch them on and leave them on in rooms that you are going in and out of frequently. You will have used less power than switching incandescents on and off all day. While you are at it install duel flush toilets and AAA rated shower roses (for those who wash). Power bills and water bills are reduced.
16

Grumpy,

21/04/2008 07:29:06
The problem with low energy bulbs as I see it are (a) you can't use dimmer switches, and (b) try getting one to fit into an Ikea lamp and shade!
17

Draco Was a Wimp,

Edinburgh 21/04/2008 08:01:26
#12 Galactic

You've got a feckin' cheek. How can you not see the irony of coming on here and advocating the use of energy saving light bulbs when you admit to having TWENTY THREE bulbs in ONE bedroom and EIGHT in a garage for FOUR cars. Just what size of a house do you live in? How many live in it? Just how much energy do you use per capita? You and your country are the energy gluttons of this planet. Don't dare come on here and even begin to lecture until you address the USA's shockingly disproportionate use of the Earth's resources.
18

SeriouslyAmused,

Ayr 21/04/2008 08:03:29
I have them in every room but the house looks dour compared to when I used the old bulbs. I could use more of them, but what would the point in that be?
19

Venachar,

21/04/2008 08:06:01
Hey Galactic!

What do you live in? An underground bunker? Have you no heard of windows?
20

Unimpressed one,

21/04/2008 08:12:17
#6, The reason you are being ripped off by Philips is because the EU banned the importation of cheap 'imitation' bulbs from china, purely to protect EU citizens of course, and nothing to do with the fact that it was pressured by Philips to to so...
21

Unimpressed one,

21/04/2008 08:13:49
"Switching to energy-saving light bulbs is one of the easiest ways that householders can help battle the damaging effects of climate change and, as this survey shows, it needn't cost you the earth to make that switch. In fact, you will save quite a lot of money."

Pure religious spiel, spoken by one of Gaia's high priests.
22

Fraochale,

USA 21/04/2008 08:14:01
Is it possible in Scotland that they aren't as available as in other places in the UK? Or the cost is higher? Maybe they should just make a law that they are the only ones that are sold. Have been using these bulbs for ages, but when I was in Scotland it seemed the Scots were a bit more cautious about going green than what we are at home. Though we did stay at a B/B near Roslyn Glen that was especially green. Sure you have wind turbines but so do we locally. Maybe it they gave people a tax incentive people would use them, but i agree they aren't as bright as the regular bulbs but who really needs all that light?
23

Unimpressed one,

21/04/2008 08:14:32
"Switching to energy-saving light bulbs is one of the easiest ways that householders can help battle the damaging effects of climate change and, as this survey shows, it needn't cost you the earth to make that switch. In fact, you will save quite a lot of money."

Pure religious spiel, spoken by one of Gaia's high priests.
24

Unimpressed one,

21/04/2008 08:15:36
"Maybe they should just make a law that they are the only ones that are sold."

Christ, even in China they have a choice. Since when did the US become a socialist state?
25

Citylocal Fife,

Citylocal Fife News 21/04/2008 08:20:08
#16 "The power used in switching it on is more than for the following hour."

I am not sure you are correct there.....

Scotsman :
"The bulbs no longer come in one standard shape and size. Now, energy-saving bulbs are available with bayonet and screw-cap fittings and as dimmer bulbs."

I'd like an explanation, with costings, as to how these bulbs can be dimmed safely and inexpensively in a normal household setting....

Having said all that, these new bulbs are very good for many, but not all situations.
26

Boy Wonder,

21/04/2008 08:29:19
The BW house changed to energy-saving bulbs years ago.

#2. The glow is the dimbulb in your head, Charles. It doesn't know how to spell or grammaticise correctly.
27

thinking,

Scotland 21/04/2008 08:49:52
What about disposal? they aren't supposed to be put in the bin as they are toxic.
I have read that they are also toxic if you break one.
28

harrykim,

Ashfield 21/04/2008 08:59:45
In Australia there's a national ban on incandescent bulbs from 2010. In the last couple of years, various energy companies have given away millons of energy-saving ones along with water-saving showerheads, as they received government money for each household they "converted". We've installed them in each room and have a spare showerhead.
The glopbes are available in different brightnesses according to the room (e.g. warm)
29

David MacVicar,

web 21/04/2008 09:00:07
Oor_Wullie is partly right, at least on alternatives.

LED lighting is now going mainstream and:
come on instantly
use even less power than the energy saving florescent ones.
Last even longer,
smaller in size
cool to the touch
available in many colours.
Can be switched on and off as often as you want without them failing.
Are already about the same price as other energy saving alternatives and so will come down further.

Down side - no dimmers either.

If you don't have energy bulbs yet try LEDs, they are hard to find in the format that plugs straight into traditional light sockets but you can get them online easily.
They will be replacing the other Energy bulbs very soon though. So my advice is skip right past anything else and go LED.

Whatever you do buy, try and avoid anything made in China!
30

The Former Mr. Angry,

Perth 21/04/2008 09:07:45
I can't afford to run incandescent light bulbs all over the house - I've just replaced them gradually with the low energy ones and found a difference in my bill. No-brainer really.
31

daveserviceman,

edinburgh 21/04/2008 09:11:01
#5 we are not being ripped off its the cost of production ie one part is wages that are factored into the price, By the By the standard light bulbs are being fazed out ie production of them are to cease so everyone will only be able to buy energy saving bulbs ther are a good variety I use candle bilbs with a small baonet and you can get them now in energy saving form
32

It's me!,

21/04/2008 09:13:38
Three for £1 at Morrisons at the Gyle. In the big tub in the aisle.
33

Slioch,

Scottish Highlands 21/04/2008 09:29:00
#30 Citylocal Fife

""#16 "The power used in switching it on is more than for the following hour." I am not sure you are correct there...."

Yes, you are correct, Citylocal: That is an old myth with little basis in reality. Indeed, if you consider the "switching on" process to take, say, ten seconds, then the power consumption required for #16's assertion to be true would be 60/10 * 60 * 15 Watts for a 15 Watt bulb. That is 5.4kW, ie the power consumption of about five and a half one bar electric fires. If that were really happening the bulb would explode in a puff of smoke.
34

David MacVicar,

web 21/04/2008 09:42:17
for a good range of lights (ie what is available) try
http://www.lyco.co.uk/categories/Light-Bulbs.htm?catID=1830

there are many others online.
To compare brightness you really have to look at 'lumens' if quoted.

Currently LEDs are not so suited to bright lamps eg 100w equivalent, but for spots, background lighting they are ideal. the other low energy bulbs are fine for most other requirements except dimming.
35

Slioch,

Scottish Highlands 21/04/2008 10:10:25
#43 David MacVicar

How robust are the LEDs? At present I use an incandescent bulb at the end of a cable for scrabbling around under the car or in dark and dusty corners in the loft. The bulb doesn't last long because it has such a hard life, and I don't use a fluoro there because they are more expensive (and fragile??). Are LEDs any good for that sort of use?
36

Radical Mac,

Kingdom of Fife 21/04/2008 10:37:42
Another red herring these lamps are no replacement for the conventional incandescant lamp. Because the provide light from a narrow part of the spectrum. The incandescant like the sun provides light right across the light spectrum hence the warmer light. They may cost less to run but they provide an inadequate work light but their environmental impact is greater in manufacture and disposal. I agree the LED is the way forward the fluo low energy bulb is not even as good as a traditional fluorescant strip light. Bottom line on glabal warming is we are coming out of a mini ice age and the pollution from the filthy factories and factories in the dictatorship of China so we can have cheap goods and western industrialists can make more money. I am a qualified electrical engineer.
37

Radical Mac,

Kingdom of Fife 21/04/2008 10:38:53
Sorry about the spelling mistakes. Must be the keyboard.
38

Slioch,

Scottish Highlands 21/04/2008 11:06:32
#46 Radical Mac

"Must be the keyboard." !!!

Do "qualified electrical engineers" always blame their tools?
39

voltaire's janny,

21/04/2008 11:59:31
Huv ye seen the price o' thon? That'll be why maist Scots huvnae embraced 'um.

Sure; as 'n' when and whaur yeez dinna mind the white light 'n' that. I huvnae noticed; is there a tungsten tinged wan oan the mairket yet?

The savings accrue instantly tae the power generators and the government figures but it taks months even years tae offset the enormous purchase price.

Time value of money ya bams. Git the price doon, gie us a yellow wan and the numbers'll pan oot.
40

voltaire's janny,

21/04/2008 12:00:37
By the way ahm a qualified electrical engineer too..
41

Ted & Janet,

Belwood Ontario Canada 21/04/2008 12:04:50
These new lights will save you a lot of money very a short period, we have them installed everywhere in our home and in the Business part of it too!
My wife is Scottish and she sees the cost saving every month in our Hydro Bill!
Each year our local Hydro company gives out coupons for these lamps, also here in Ontario Canada you wont be able to buy the old ones after next year! All retailers have to remove them from there shelves.
Its hard to believe that Scot's people would not want to save Money!
42

David MacVicar,

web 21/04/2008 12:09:16
Slioch,

I wouldnt say they were really robust but it depends on the casing. LEDs have been used on bicycle lights for years and joggers use them too. If LEDs are encased properly they are not so fragile.

Have a look online for some examples
43

fred bloggs,

Edinburgh 21/04/2008 12:21:41
Slioch: I suggest you get a multiple LED flashlight - very powerful and no cord to get wrapped round things; plus LEDs are very robust being solid state.
44

fred bloggs,

Edinburgh 21/04/2008 12:22:55
52. Also LEDs run cold and use hardly any power at all so the battery lasts for ages.
45

WKKB,

21/04/2008 12:46:20
Why have the wee mercury bulbs all over in my house when we can simply turn off lights if they're not NEEDED. I'm all for going green but we've lived in our current house for 4 years now and have yet to begin replacing bulbs. We simply don't turn lights on unless we need to. If we watch television in the evening we have that light to get us through the room. We're fortunate enough to have a street light just outside our bedroom window so rarely need to turn that light on and if we go into the kitchen for a cool drink from the fridge, why turn the overhead light on when the fridge will have a light in it. We've just learned to switch off. It's not so hard and it saves a bundle.
46

Unimpressed one,

21/04/2008 12:53:07
"Whatever you do buy, try and avoid anything made in China!"

Like to see you try since the majority of the world's LEDs are now produced there.
47

voltaire's janny,

21/04/2008 13:26:29
#54

Move to a cave and save 100%. Fact is: lighting is a miniscule proportion of your lecky. Heating water, boiling kettles and even space-heating, for those without a gas or oil fired boiler, swamp the f@rt in the hurricane that is a few 40W lamps in the sitting room.

See that Canada experience above. Coupons! Compare that to a price here 5 x 100W budget incandescent fae a quid or twa versus 2.50 and up fer wan fluorescent.

Ah've got twa I bought fer ootside, but they're too lang fer ma fixtures.

Incidentally these "green" yins contain noble gases that might no be sae good fer the ozone layer.

If it's considered a good thing fer tae use 'um, then dae as the Canucks and incent rather than penalise.

Fuds.
48

Artemis,

Embra 21/04/2008 13:31:31
#12 - do you live in an underground shelter or something? How can you need so many lights? I have one ceiling lamp in the living room and 2 standard lamps, 4 bulbs in the kitchen, one in the kitchen cupboard, two in the hall, one in the bathroom, two in the bedroom. That's 13 in total.
49

Slioch,

Scottish Highlands 21/04/2008 13:54:48
#52 Fred

Yes. I did get an LED wind-up torch that was great for a while, but then the rechargeable battery started to fail, so it now doesn't last long and i spend most of my time furiously winding the handle.


#56 voltaire's janny "Incidentally these "green" yins contain noble gases that might no be sae good fer the ozone layer."

No, don't worry, Noble Gases don't react with ozone, or (hardly) anything else (that's why they are called Noble). Besides, they are present in the atmosphere naturally.
50

fred bloggs,

Edinburgh 21/04/2008 14:06:18
Incandescent bulbs last about 1000 hours. With electricity at 10p a unit (kWh) the last time I looked, it will cost £100 to run a 100 watt bulb for that period.

Compact fluorescents last much longer and use far less power.

LEDs last even longer and use even less power.
51

connaughtboy,

stonehaven 21/04/2008 14:41:20
#16 drum Major

" The power used in switching it on is more than for the following hour. "

I find that very hard to believe!
52

RonS,

Mississauga 21/04/2008 14:46:23
I too chuckle about #12 with his 4 car garage etc. The guy sounds like Al Gore, who lives in a similar "over -the - top" residence or is it palace?
Just a little bit of hypocrisy here. It's the name of the liberal game!
53

fred bloggs,

Edinburgh 21/04/2008 15:17:11
62: Only in the US of A is liberal a dirty word.
54

EK,

21/04/2008 15:17:41
#45 Radical Mac - You are entirely correct about the quality of the light - the old incandescent lights are much warmer than the new "energy saving" ones which have a very cool and dim light. I am of a scientific background and an artist and the colours you see on a painting, for example with the new energy saving lamps is incorrect (compared with sunlight and even the incandescent bulbs) - I think earlier someone wrote that the "energy saving" bulbs made her(?) look 20 years older (again alluding to the por quality of the light).
Can I suggest we look again at ways of saving energy - eg less car travel (share, for example), save money on transporting TONNES AND TONNES of bottled water (ha ha - what's that all about)less food packaging and bottles, reduce holidays from 5 times to 2 times a year and be aware that we have simply transferred all our pollution to China, India etc as we are still wastefully manufacturing to the same extent as we were before. Global warming may be natural but saving the earth's resources and reducing the rate of population increase will also help. The west needs to be less wasteful. Simple!
55

GalacticCannibal,

Murrieta; . CA.....a place in the Sun 21/04/2008 15:37:07
#21 ;#24
Listen Dudes .

Its common for homes of 4,000 sq' and up, to have recessed ceiling lighting in kitchens . And 15 energy saving light bulbs in the kitchen is not unusual .

As for the Master bathroom and bedroom 25 ESL bulbs are not uncommon.

Most of these homes have 3 car garages and quite a number have 4 car spaces . So again having 8 ESL bubs in the garage area is no big deal .

Hey U pay for this energy with Ur money and its a free country.

U cannot compare these homes to the millions rabbit hutch apartments, in High rise projects that blight the land.

Happy Energy savings day

GC
56

E. Smith,

Texas 21/04/2008 16:32:11
I've been gradually replacing my old fashioned light bulbs with the new mini-fluorescent ones as they have burned out, but it takes awhile.

Perhaps Scots simply use lights less often than their neighbors in the UK, turning them off when they leave the room? If this is so, they need to replace their light bulbs less often. [I'm old enough to remember the media's criticism of Lyndon Johnson for making sure that the lights were off at the White House when everyone left a room.]
57

David MacVicar,

web 21/04/2008 17:11:25
55 Unimpressed one.

Too true, however assembled parts could be in EU or at least outside China. I did say 'try'.
In any case if we dont 'try' and avoid Chinese products there is no reason to stop more and more production going there.

Most people simply don't care. We can't all work in service industries so if we don't stop the trend it is going to end in tears....
58

Norman 2,

Edinburgh 21/04/2008 17:13:28
I don't understand how, in Scotland, homes can achieve anything like the saving that is quoted from energy saving bulbs.

I have the central heating on in my home for about nine months of the year. The rooms are thermostatically controlled so, for every kWh that the light bulbs are not emitting, the central heating has to make up the difference and give out more heat. That means that installing low energy light bulbs will reduce my electricity consumption but increase my gas consumption.
59

fred bloggs,

Edinburgh 21/04/2008 17:19:41
68: so you will save money because gas is cheaper than electricity.
60

Sambo,

The Idyllic deep south 21/04/2008 17:38:00
#21
GC doesn't pay the utility bills. He still lives with his parents.
61

Sambo,

The deep south 21/04/2008 17:40:45
#62
Dick Cheney mentioned the other night that according to Al Gore the weather was getting warmer and in the coming months would get hotter.
62

GalacticCannibal,

Murrieta; . CA.....a place in the Sun 21/04/2008 18:35:56
70
Sambo,
The Idyllic deep south
------------------------------
Totally WRONG dude.
The home I live in, belongs to my Mother . I live there . She does not live there .

She lives with my father in Aix-en-Provence, France where they own a Chateau property , not far from the Med.

Like Dude,
Tomorrow I begin my 3-4 week vacation and will be seeing them on our way back from the Land Down Under.

And since my mother agreed, We could return via London (circumvent the globe). My girl friend and I will rent a SUV in Heathrow, drive to Scotland , climb Nevis (ben) and copulate on the summit , weather allowing .

Doing stuff like that is truly exciting and different, compared to the usual boring copul-in-bed stuff.

Happy Days Ahead dude.

GC
63

NorT,

Edinburgh 21/04/2008 18:41:03
I have been collecting a supply of the "old" type so that I have plenty when they stop making htem. The new ones don't fit in my light fitting without sticking out above the top of the shade. Also the ne wones don't come in a strip light fitting.
The new ones take a lot more energy to make and can't be recycled so what is the point of them.
64

Sambo,

The deep south 21/04/2008 18:43:10
#72
GC be sure and use protection. One of you is enough!
65

fred bloggs,

Edinburgh 21/04/2008 18:52:58
72. So GC is going to 'circumvent the globe'.

Good. Don't come back.
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Lamont,

USA 21/04/2008 19:22:21
Those "energy saving" light bulbs are useless AND they are dangerous having amounts of mercury in them that are unsafe. The dreaded cancer word has also been used in the latest literature on these ugly little bulbs.
67

Lady inwaiting,

Glenrothes 21/04/2008 19:54:37
The energy saving bulbs are not suitable for Deaf people due the bulb are not able flashing door bell!!!!!!!!!!!
68

John B Dick,

Rothesay 21/04/2008 20:05:27
Does anyone know where I can get spare gas mantles. I've been sitting in the dark since 1946.
69

Draco Was a Wimp,

Edinburgh 21/04/2008 20:28:15
#65

For a while now, I've thought you a daftie, a minor irritant. But your comments today show you to be a hypocritical, arrogant t**t. You obviously have no concept of how normal live and no appreciation of the ecological damage your country is causing.
70

connaughtboy,

stonehaven 21/04/2008 21:56:35
#73 NorT

I have assembled a big collection of the old type too. One of the reasons for me doing this is because I resent this bunch of govenment eco-fascists telling me what to do.
71

Ileach,

21/04/2008 23:03:29
I honestly don't know about cancer risk - but I've noticed an increased amount of migraines since sitting next to my reading lamp. Am I imagining things? One good thing is that the bulbs are cold - too much of the air conditioning is used to cool off rooms that have lights on for long times.
72

weeshooie1,

Wollongong 21/04/2008 23:33:49
Sambo #74,

Hi Sambo, long time no see, it must be the time difference, eh? When the Aussie gub'mint (thats aboriginie pronounciation) were pushing for everyone to change over to the new energy efficiend bulbs, in most of the bigger malls there were stalls where you could put your name on a list for someone to actually come out to the house and change every bulb in the house for free. When my wife and I got ours done, they actually gave us an extra eight. We aint looked back since. CUL8R

Galactic Cannibal #72,

G'Day GC, So you're heading for Oz, eh! Plenty mushies out here bruv. It's also starting to get a wee bit chilly here what with winter coming on, so, don't forget yer hairy breeks son.
73

sven,

Pascoag 21/04/2008 23:38:10
While just getting used to something new, we find, according to some recent news, that these new bulbs contain mercury. Mercury is not exactly eco-friendly.
74

Sambo,

The deep south 22/04/2008 00:01:28
#82 weeshooie 1.
G'day, I had to postpone my trip to the land of oz. this year, they had to yank out my prostate, but I'll be over next spring, will be heading to Queensland.
Cheers the noo.
75

Drum Major,

Brisbane, Australia 22/04/2008 11:00:10
I never had any trouble with energy efficient light bulbs with my cateracts before my operation, or since. Some people are just to cheap to pay the extra for a bulb that is going to last many times longer than an incandecent bulb and use less electricity providing a double saving. Delete cheap insert dumb.

 

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