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Published Date: 03 March 2008
COUNCILS and health boards should get much more of their income from taxes raised in their areas, Liberal Democrats were told yesterday.
The idea was floated by Lib Dem MP Malcolm Bruce as "a radical stage further" in devolving power downwards.

Mr Bruce, president of the Scottish Liberal Democrats, made the call in a speech to the party's spring conference in Aviemore, where Lib De
ms yesterday challenged Alex Salmond to talk to them with the aim of securing a deal on local income tax.

Mr Bruce made clear, however, that his idea did not cut across this but was to be seen as part of wider reforms that would give more tax powers to Holyrood. He told the conference: "Instead of all taxes, bar the discredited council tax, going to the Treasury to be top-sliced, wasted and lost, let us keep more of the taxes where they are collected.

"What councils and health boards need is their share of taxes paid in their locality, raising their access to income from local sources from 75 per cent or 80 per cent of their total budget, leaving the grant from Holyrood for new services and to adjust for income inequalities around the country," he said.

"This would offer us a new cause for campaigning – local taxes for local services. That is the opposite of the SNP's 'one Scotland' approach."

Under this scenario, however, extra money would not be raised directly by councils or health boards, Mr Bruce made clear later. It would still be collected in the normal way, but a far greater proportion would be automatically allocated to local areas, instead of the present system under which most of their funding comes in the form of central government grants. Nor would it mean higher rates or more forms of taxation, he said.

"I'm not suggesting you are going to have lots of different taxes," he told reporters. "What I'm suggesting is that the taxes you pay, instead of going direct the Treasury, a proportion of them would go direct to your local council or health board."

In his conference speech Mr Bruce took a swipe at the leader of the SNP, saying independence would "enable Alex Salmond to strut and swagger on the world stage like a tartan peacock".

He also mocked Prime Minister Gordon Brown's "confusion" over greater powers for Holyrood, and urged Mr Brown to consider UK-wide initiatives.

"Why not have the vision of the French and build high speed trains to all parts of Great Britain, bringing us all closer together?" he said.

"Paris to Marseilles is approximately the same distance as London to Aberdeen yet the journey time of the former is three hours six minutes compared with seven and a half hours."





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  • Last Updated: 02 March 2008 10:18 PM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
 
1

Liberal for life,

Dunblane 03/03/2008 09:33:59
#1 - where have you been for the past 50 years?

A federal Britain is a long held commitment that gradually but surely is coming as the constitutional debate gathers pace. Unlike the Labour and Tory partys who are the "johnny come lately's", the Liberals have been consistent advocates of this and indeed Home Rule for Scotland, Wales and Ireland was first put forward by Gladstone and almost became a reality under Lloyd George, so there.

As far as any other radical policies required to get this countries politicians to be more accountable, be they at Westminster or in the local Town House, the latest suggestion put forward by Malcolm Bruce (MP for Gordon)is another great idea coming from the party who delivered first devolution and soon your federal Britain. So I suggest you come back in another 10 years and reflect.
2

Doh,

03/03/2008 10:33:28
#3

Are you not thinking of Robert Bruce, from even longer ago?

Amyway LIT is a fairer tax, and council's being responsible for more of their own revenue ratehr than just spending would - well would make them more responsible.
3

Linda,

Edinburgh 03/03/2008 11:13:21
Saw bit of Bruce's speech where he mocked Alex Salmond it went down like a lead balloon to the handful who were masochistic enough to stay and watch his boring uttering.
4

KampungHighlander,

Jakarta 03/03/2008 11:20:54
Liberal for Life.
What exactly is the difference between Home Rule and Independance?
5

Aqwes,

Edinburgh 03/03/2008 11:23:45
#2

If they're federalists, why don't support an English Parliament?
6

Doh,

03/03/2008 12:34:44
#10

This costs of collecting local income tax have been estimated as being far less than that of the Council Tax.

They know your post code already.

7

Doh,

03/03/2008 15:50:24
#12 Daniel

That is nonsense.

Poorer families will be better off under Local Income Tax - dont beleive the lies coming from the Labour party.

In fact Labour opposition to LIT is sickening - by defintion beneficial to students, low paid and pensioners. Yes, it is estimated that about 20% will pay more - so that means some people - the poorest will pay less.
Are you also in favour of a window tax?
8

Geomac 1,

Kinross 03/03/2008 15:51:13
More like time for a Lib Dem revamp. I pay enough in taxes. The EU is looking at increasing taxation, Westmister needs to increase taxes to pay for their 10 years of folly, Councils raise taxes and Hollywood now wants to raise taxes - Maybe we should hand over all our earnings to governments and go cap in hand to those who claim to be more effective spenders of money when we ned something????
9

Geomac 1,

Kinross 03/03/2008 15:54:17
#13 Doh

How can poorer families be better off under local income taxes? Unless, of course, you are talking about poorer families who have no earned income!??
Remember there is a limit to the amount of subsidy wheich can be provided by the employes to the unemployed! It's not GOVERNMENT'S MONEY as politicians would have you belive - it's OUR money!!
10

Jock 107,

03/03/2008 17:38:54
Got to agree with Lib Dem on this one - tax should be based on ability to pay. Is Bruce a closet nationalist? keeping the taxes for ourselves - now there's an idea.

15 - presumably they'd be better off because they wouldn't pay them, as their earnings would be below the threshold.
11

Seannair,

03/03/2008 21:43:39
Bruce's comments about Alex Salmond are based on a wholly justifiable fear. Alex came back to Holyrood by winning with apparent ease the LibDem held Holyrood seat of Norah Radcliffe in spite of the LibDems busting their guts, their bank balance and using every polutical diversion in the book to try to hold on.That seat is Gordon and the MP for Gordon is Malcolm Bruce.
12

Liberal for life,

Dunblane 03/03/2008 21:46:40
#8 - Home Rule as first proposed by Gladstone was to give first the Irish and subsequently the Scots and Welsh fiscal autonomy over their own affairs whilst still being part of the union with England (which would also have its own responsibilites for delivering on local services etc). Devolution is a big step in this direction and now needs to be developed for the rest of the UK, so now you can call it federalism in a format as in Germany for example. In some ways the EU is a confederation of independent states that offers an opportunity for European nations to come together. Where it differs from independence is clear in that we beleive that Scotland as part of a unitied union within the British Isles can exert more influence in the global context as and when required, and hence Scotlands voice would continue to have more influence within this context (and one cannot dispute this with a Scot as PM and one a chancelllor - whether you agree with their politics is another issue).

Problem with nationalists is understanding this thinking comes from the head not the heart, thats why I and many others consider ourselves as Scottish patriots but never as nationalists, which we consider to be ultimately bad medicine.

Malcom Bruce tried to explain in a more historical reflection in his speech -
"The Act of Union was controversial but it was thoroughly debated and voted on in the last Scottish Parliament and by the burghs.

It was the Union of two sovereign nations motivated by business opportunities and a mutual desire to secure the Protestant succession. The end of an auld sang.

It paved the way for the Scottish enlightenment: a partnership of Scots and English in the development, trade and administration of the Empire to which and from which Scots contributed and benefited proportionately.

Throughout that period Scotland preserved its distinct identity, with its own legal and education systems, and established Presbyterian church. The cross-fertilisation of
13

Liberal for life,

Dunblane 03/03/2008 21:52:00
#17 - this is not the first time Malcolm Bruce has argued against nationalism - I heard him first when he was elected to Gordon almost 25 years ago so don't talk piffle. Whilst we have to acknowledge Salmond won this time around with a 2062 majority its still a fact Nora Radcliffes actual vote went up and with over 3500 votes cast but not counted due to the sham of a ballot paper plus a fair % of postal papers not recorded in time I think come another 3 years the SNP bubble will have well and truly bust, so enjoy it while it lasts.
14

RightTurn,

03/03/2008 23:46:57
Did anyone actually show up to the Lib Dem conference?

 

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