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Published Date: 30 January 2008
ONE of Britain's most senior counter-terrorism officers has warned it is only a matter of time before Edinburgh is subjected to a devastating attack.
Superintendent Brett Lovegrove said Scotland's capital would be an "extremely attractive" objective for terrorists – and said the Edinburgh International Festival, which last year attracted 380,000 visitors, was a prime target.

Speaking at an anti-terrorism seminar in the capital, Mr Lovegrove, the head of counter-terrorism for the City of London Police, said: "Edinburgh is an extremely attractive proposition to terrorists, as it has many international businesses, an airport, sports stadiums and crowded streets.

"In particular, the Festival ticks all the right boxes, so it's essential the public are made aware of the threat and what action should be taken.

"Like London and New York, it is also an iconic city which is flooded with tourists all year round.

"Last year's Glasgow airport attack proved Scotland isn't immune to the threat of terrorism. Unfortunately, it isn't a case of 'if' there will be an attack on Edinburgh but 'when'."

Mr Lovegrove went on: "Festivals by their nature can be a risk. Edinburgh also has the Tattoo. events at Edinburgh Castle, Hogmanay, and even this weekend there is major rugby match attracting upwards of 70,000 people.

"It is important not to be complacent. Just because Edinburgh had not been attacked doesn't mean it won't be. However, I don't have specific intelligence that Edinburgh is going to be the next target."

The City of London Police introduced Project Griffin – designed to educate security staff and other public workers on spotting potential terrorist threats – four years ago.

It has since been implemented by a number of cities in the UK, and also by Sydney, New York and Hong Kong.

At yesterday's conference, which delivered the project's message to some 60 delegates, including representatives from Lothian Buses, the car park firm NCP Services and the city council, Mr Lovegrove said "everyone" had a vital role to play in recognising potential threats.

Delegates were introduced to "hostile reconnaissance" to help spot potential targets.

"This means noticing people who suddenly start appearing at a café and perhaps draw maps of the surrounding area. It could be someone using video equipment where it wouldn't normally be done," Mr Lovegrove said.

He added: "We mustn't be stereotypical – a terrorist is just as likely to be a white, blonde woman as opposed to the image many people may hold."

Superintendent Keith Chamberlain, of Lothian and Borders Police, said knowledge-sharing played a key role in fighting terrorism and he called on the public to play its part.

"We want people to be an extension of the police and help us fight the threat by being our eyes and ears," he said. "The seminar is designed to teach people how to spot potential terrorists – not by their appearance but by their behaviour.

"By doing this, we can then reduce the risk of any potential attack."

Yesterday's warning echoes comments by Stephen House, the new Chief Constable of Strathclyde Police, who last November said Scotland was likely to face another terrorist attack. However, one leading academic stressed that life in Edinburgh should not be affected by the obvious threat.

Professor Paul Wilkinson, who chairs the advisory board of the Centre for the Study of Terrorism and Political Violence at St Andrews University, said: "I don't think we can allow the problems of terrorism to disrupt the normal lives of people.

"Gatherings like the Edinburgh Festival are a very important part of the life of the city and we must not allow any alarmism to affect it."

Max Taylor, a professor of international relations at the University of St Andrews, said terrorists had changed their targets in recent years, aiming for mass casualties.

"There is a lack of focus on iconic buildings, such as in the IRA days of going for Downing Street, the City of London or the Royal Family. That is not evident now," he said.

"They are not going for the obvious, up-front capitalist things. Instead, one of their main aspirations is mass casualty terrorism, such as transport infrastructure.

"They are also quite conservative and tend to do the things that work. The problem is in identifying the targets.

"Threat levels are unquestionably high, but I don't know of any particular threats to Edinburgh."

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  • Last Updated: 30 January 2008 9:26 AM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Terrorism in the UK
 
1

Boswall,

30/01/2008 00:06:04
Lots of people gather in one place - key terror target...

Is this supposed to be a revalation?

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30/01/2008 00:19:27
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OscarMacApfel,

Dumfries 30/01/2008 00:27:18
A war on the Embra Festival(s) has got my vote.
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Choose a nameDr_Joseph_Phd,

Tynescos 30/01/2008 00:35:45
Brett Lovegrove quote in Paragraph 6
"Unfortunately, it isn't a case of 'if' there will be an attack on Edinburgh but 'when'"

Brett Lovegrove quote in Paragraph 8
"I don't have specific intelligence that Edinburgh is going to be the next target."

These contradictions tell all about this clueless, self-aggrandising buffoon.
5

Senga Jean,

30/01/2008 00:47:19
Are you sitting comfortably? Now I will scare you witless and make you receptive to another war in..... weeeel .Let's see. Where would get us the most votes? ( Or in this clown's case, the most publicity.)
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sonofcosmos,

glasgow 30/01/2008 00:51:56
and shame on the scotsman for leading with such an alarmist story that has next to no foundation other than someone making something up..
to be fair i wonder if the quotes were actually in response to a question..like someone asked him..could edinburgh be a target for terrorists ?/ this is a tatic long used by the tabloids..shame again on the scotsman if this is the case..sad x
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bonspeil,

30/01/2008 01:03:25
Why doesn't The Scotsman just introduce a regular Page Three Girl feature and be done with it? That's obviously the way this paper is heading.
8

Roberta Burns,

30/01/2008 01:05:24
I don't suppose Al and his fellow Quaedas have thought of that Mr London counter-terrorist man. Why don't you just stick to scaring babies, or is it a threat?
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Roberta Burns,

30/01/2008 01:05:25
I don't suppose Al and his fellow Quaedas have thought of that Mr London counter-terrorist man. Why don't you just stick to scaring babies, or is it a threat?
10

Roberta Burns,

30/01/2008 01:05:25
I don't suppose Al and his fellow Quaedas have thought of that Mr London counter-terrorist man. Why don't you just stick to scaring babies, or is it a threat?
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Roberta Burns,

30/01/2008 01:06:03
Sorry about the repeats. The site is playing up
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SouthernGent,

30/01/2008 01:11:32
I'd say the odds are 50/50. Depends on how lucky you feel. The ones that always say it can never happen are the same ones that will say "told-you-so".
13

Kipling,

30/01/2008 01:44:22
Al-Qaeda or I'll kid you
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Very Rev Ian Paisley,

30/01/2008 02:15:20
Don't think so mate

"We mustn't be stereotypical – a terrorist is just as likely to be a white, blonde woman as opposed to the image many people may hold."
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Clan-destine,

kyoto 30/01/2008 03:41:51
Why not put effigies of Mr John Smeaton all about Embrugh during the festival....that should scare 'em.
This is a piece of garbage'd scarmongering nonsense but as long as they don't target ma grannie's hieland hame it's allright...the national enquirer couldn't write a better article.
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Gilmartin,

Philippines 30/01/2008 07:22:39
Another example of how uncontrolled mass immigration and multiculturism are "enriching" the country..
17

donald,

glasgow 30/01/2008 07:24:32
Get out of Britain and its terrorising politics.
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donald,

glasgow 30/01/2008 07:25:07
Scotland out of Britain.
Britain Out of Iraq.
19

Young Asa,

Dunfermline 30/01/2008 07:28:32
Typical of the nonsense that eminates out of London.

+3 Stay away then ..We dont need your likes over here either. We,ve put up with rampaging Rangers and Celtic fans in the past so the taliban would be a breeze.
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an interested party,

30/01/2008 07:28:48
when you pay a man to jump at shadows please dont be surprised when he jumps at shadows, its his job

and anyway more funding for anti terrorism will help the polis pension crisis
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An Beal Bacht,

30/01/2008 07:29:58
Brett Lovegrove;

This guy is selling fear! Fear of the other. What he doesn't realize is that with a name like Brett Lovegrove he is the other;
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An Beal Bacht,

30/01/2008 07:33:03
Brett Lovegrove says
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"We want people to be an extension of the police and help us fight the threat by being our eyes and ears,".

Aye - he wants us to spy on each other..
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30/01/2008 07:35:55
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An Beal Bacht,

30/01/2008 07:38:01
Gestapo Man Says:

"Threat levels are unquestionably high, but I don't know of any particular threats to Edinburgh."

I know of a threat to Edinburgh! It's a guy called Brett Lovegrove
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eric,

Lothian 30/01/2008 07:38:33
So is Blackpool,You would have the same effect at St Enoch centre,
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30/01/2008 07:40:14
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An Beal Bacht,

30/01/2008 07:41:35
24 - You are a sick puppy!
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ddmc,

30/01/2008 07:45:19
classic, fear uncertainty & doubt

"some 60 delegates, including representatives from Lothian Buses, the car park firm NCP Services and the city council" , brilliant, i feel so much safer.

Here's a belter, no cars can pull up infront of Edinburgh airport, it's a security risk were told, but i can hijack the #35 or airport bus which are capable of holding several tons of explosives which would be difficult in a car & park right outside the front door of the terminal. Great bit of security planning there.

The illusion of security is all that's needed just like emptying the liquid containers into single bins when there was a risk of binary bombs, another classic piece of security planning.
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Iain fae Elgin,

LOndon 30/01/2008 07:52:32
"warned it was only a matter of time"

Shurely it 'is' only a matter of time. Or have I mised something?


#14.."a terrorist is just as likely to be a white, blonde woman"
Don't be so bloody ridiculous.
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Iain fae Elgin,

London 30/01/2008 07:54:00
#27 "close the boarders."

What have you got against Hillend or the Cairngorms?
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Xena - Warrior Princess,

30/01/2008 07:55:09
Well there's nothing like giving them the idea eh! As for the posters getting at the Scotsman for going with this story, every newspaper is running it.
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30/01/2008 07:57:10
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Media 1,

cape town 30/01/2008 07:59:08
#14 Rev Paisley

I disagree!
Not all muslim are terrorist, but of all the terrorists, most are Muslim.
And therein lies the human tendency to expect Muslim terror as opposed to any other.
This story is a nonsense though. We all know that the festival would be a probable target for the terrorists. But they dont need to use the Festival, they can easily do it at a Six Nations rugby match, or a Rangers vs Celtic game or at T In the Park. It could happen anywhere so this story is rubbish.
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30/01/2008 07:59:42
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Queen D,

Glasgow 30/01/2008 08:01:07
Keep the people scared policy!
Absolutely ridiculous article.
Cry 'WOLF'
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Number 6,

Germany 30/01/2008 08:01:54
What gibberish paranoid rubbish. "Only a matter of time..... Surely the same must be said of anty heavily visited place. Scare tactics America style.
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bobbyprentice,

30/01/2008 08:02:08
If other papers are running the story we should expect a more reasoned and balanced story from our national "quality" newspaper. Was the Editor off last night ? Its a poorly written irresponsible piece of scaremongering trash.
Shame on you Johnston Press...
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AbandonAllHope,

30/01/2008 08:02:48
Ha Ha Ha, LMFAO, LOL, ROFL ! etc etc
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An Beal Bacht,

30/01/2008 08:08:26
On a menu of cultural disasters which would you choose?

1. Islamisation

2. Anglification

3. Americanisation

4. Slow growth

5. rapid growth

6. No growth

7. The pope

8. The queen

9. The mullah

10. None of the above?
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Dancer,

Edinburgh 30/01/2008 08:10:34
Edinburgh survived the RA and UDA we will survive any Musie threat. I would hate to be around after any attack during the Festival. If you think revenge could only happen in other cities, think again. We have been isolated from terror attacks, which does not mean it could not happen. But as said the aftermath would be a lot worse. I for one hope I never see this happen in my city.
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Dancer,

Edinburgh 30/01/2008 08:16:18
# 35 Who are the US NETWORK - UK, what do you do etc. Are you asking people to join?
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Stephen101,

Away home ya 'expert' 30/01/2008 08:16:30
Delighted to see 'representatives' of Lothian Buses were at this scary conference to listen to Brett (Brett for chrissake, that's his credibility totally shot).

The drivers of LRT have been navigating their buses through Pilton, Craigmillar and the fringes of West Lothian for years. They have dealt with NEDS in packs, drunken Huns and nippy wifies wi zimmer frames and 10 bags of messages. If Brett think a fat beardy guy wi a rucksack is a big deal, he just doesn't understand.

Away back tae yer City of London Brett. We have lives tae get on with here.

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Stephen101,

Latest news, latest news 30/01/2008 08:25:17
LRT have ordered 5,000 blow up life sized dolls of John Smeaton (fully clothed, including fluorescent jacket). These will be positioned on the front seat of each LRT bus on all journeys. Job done!

At times of high alert LRT are looking at blow up Derek Riordans joining John on his travels.
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Eh Gov,

Dunfermline 30/01/2008 08:26:33
One Story a week,first young muslim women are terrorists, now this. The goverment are planning more erosion to our civil lberties in the name of protecting us from the evil outside, this is just the wind up to get the population in a frenzy, so we accept the new proposals. if you doubt me read this weeks spectator. Don't buy, if you expect an intellegent article, but it is worth skimming.

Talk about Orwellian politics
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Shaun McDonald,

Edinburgh 30/01/2008 08:28:34
"This means noticing people who suddenly start appearing at a café and perhaps draw maps of the surrounding area."

I'm yet to come across any terrorists in the OpenStreetMap project.
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orangepeel,

30/01/2008 08:31:54
I'd avoid that site in post #35. It has some rather suspicious looking javascript embedded in it.
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ddmc,

30/01/2008 08:41:35
#46 i counted at least 4 stories in the 1st 3 pages of this website relating to 'terror' attacks, must have been a slow day at the hootsmon
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Eh Gov,

30/01/2008 08:43:30
#49, appologise for under estimating :-), just two i noticed, i think i filter most of them.
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joppa jock,

Huntingdon 30/01/2008 08:45:37
Edinburgh's far too expensive for the average terrorist during the Festival. The price of a beer and sandwich would scare them to death, plus where on earth would they be able to park their car bomb without having a warden slap a ticket on it as soon as they stopped. Seriously, I think today's postings show clearly what Scots think about scare mongering eejits!
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Eh Gov,

30/01/2008 08:49:06
#35, yeh yeh, if we stopped trying to force our religion and our dysfunctional political views on to every country on the planet, we wouldn't suffer from terrorism; they are scared we are going to destroy thier culture.

In order to stop terrorism, the UK and USA have to learn to work with other cultures not destroy them.



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30/01/2008 08:56:08
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Media 1,

cape town 30/01/2008 08:56:12
Of course the terrorists will fight back! Think about it, we (our governments)have armies in their territories, they dont occupy any of ours. What would you do if Iran decided it was invading Scotland and taking our oil? What would you do if Iran had the backing of all the super powers in the world, thus your access to military operations were cut off and all your efforts at fighting back were phrased as terrorist attacks? Would you bomb peopl in Iran?
Hopefull not, but you can almost understand why some of these people are so hell bent on killing.
Think of Scotland, and our animosity toward England! We have a crowd of people in Scotland who will stop at nothing to be FREE as they call it, from Westminster. They sing songs about sending some 700 year old army home to think again. Can you imagine there was no infrastructure, economy, law enforcement or stability in Scotland what might happen?
I deplore terrorists, and I deplore the cowardly act of terrorism. But in this day and age, with the problems at hand, it is easy to see how it can happen.
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Guthrie,

Edinburgh 30/01/2008 08:57:05
Devastating attack? Aye, right. Who have we annoyed who would want to attack us?
This definitely counts as scaremongering, given that Lothian and Borders police have plenty of knowledge of possible terrorist scenarios, let alone potential threats from the IRA etc.
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30/01/2008 09:01:11
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ddmc,

30/01/2008 09:01:39
#50 nope i'm going with 4 & not on 3 pages but just 2, this one, miracle if every attack stopped,on page 2 we have clampdown on airport & 9/11 meant tighter security.
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Number 6,

germany 30/01/2008 09:08:45
It seems they are trying to implement a kind of "Protect America " act, claimed to be implemented in the war on terror but does not once mention terrorism in it's wording. It does however allow for the suspension of hapeus corpus, illegal wire tapping
and arbortory arrest without charge , refusal of access to legal advice, and this for "Any one who can be assumed to have a loyalty to the US". I.E. every single american citizen. Not here , no thanks.
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Justy,

Edinburgh 30/01/2008 09:15:51
When, and if, a terrorist attack takes place in Edinburgh I wonder if the majority of the writers above will shout 'Foul'?

Justy.
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walter,

30/01/2008 09:17:48
Project Griffin consists of three strands; a counter-terrorism awareness day, a weekly conference call and Griffin registered security staff helping the police to manage cordons during a major incident.
This project aims to raise awareness among personnel about counter-terrorism measures so that they are better equipped to deal with their organisation's security challenges on a day-to-day basis and in the event of a major incident.
The idea of the project is not to scare people into not attending any events in their or other cities, it is to inform employees of those companies that sign up what to look for, how to react and what assistance they can give if an attack takes place.
Project Griffin does not state that an attack is imminent but that there is a possibility of an attack.
Some preparation is better than non at all and hopefully any potential terrorist will not attack a city that is prepared.
If a terrorist does intend an attack then it will be thwarted before they can carry it out or there will be people who know what to do in the event that it happens.
To this end project Griffin is an excellent idea which is why many cities have signed up to it.




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Nellie,

Liverpool 30/01/2008 09:23:47
I'd have thought it's pretty obvious that Edinburgh could be a target, but I'm not sure the blighters would choose the Festival because they ought to realise the place will be probably be crawling with Special Branch and MI5.
If they were to hit the city it would be more likely when its guard would be down; but then, why Edinburgh more than anywhere else? Prestige targets are "fine" but you'd think softer targets might be easier. For instance, the IRA gave up London in favour of places like Warrington, which was a very soft target and the kind of place no one would have expected to be hit!
But I agree with the sentiment that we can't allow ourselves be dictated to in terms of where we go and when. In fact, it annoys me when employers hit the coloured buttons with their "security alert" status procedures, as if there were a high probability of their population being hit. I mean, there are literally thousands of businesses, not to mention millions of people. They can't bomb them all. They can only make a pimple on the whole body of the UK, so these OTT reactions simply play right into the hands of the terrorist whose game - obviously - is to terrorise people! The terrorists scare commercial companies into scaring their workers!! Job done!!
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Beate,

Vilnius 30/01/2008 09:31:07
Is No 35 for real?
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Miss Jean Brodie,

30/01/2008 09:31:47
Lesson number one in eradicating terrorism

DO NOT FEAR ANYTHING! - if you are not afraid - you can not be TERRORIZED

it’s really simple . . . doh !

Remember during the G8 summit in Edinburgh - we were invaded by DALEKS from London disguised as Police Officers and we successfully survived that Fascist occupation !

London Experts have been issuing the wrong pill - Just take the RED PILL !
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Steve Evans,

Malta 30/01/2008 09:44:54
Sadly this must be at the back of ones mind at any festival, so I don't know why there has to be any scare mongering at the moment, unless the Powers that be know something we all don't know
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Purlie Wilson,

Melbourne 30/01/2008 09:47:15
#56
Who would want to attack you? Seems to me that there was a wee soirée at Glasgow Airport in recent times that by the grace of some Deity or other a massacre was avoided.
Now who did Auld Scotia offend that caused a bunch of educated mongrels to plan and commit themselves to mindless slaughter?
Reading the foregoing posts merely confirms what I have perceived in my travels through the UK. The people are not alert and are up to their armpits in the comfort zone. Go own folks check out Google @ "Sharia law" in the UK and if that does not wake you up to the viper clasped to your bosom then all is lost.
Again the announcement by Whitehall that within a generation or two something like 8 major cities in the UK will be populated by a white minority. Does anyone care of course they do not, simply not interested.
Before the posts start ripping me off I know and have worked with many of the Islamic faith and fine people they were so do not get me wrong on their faith.
The hard core fundamentalist will never accept anything other than Islam and those who are prepared to strike out simply to commit mayhem must be guarded against. As in London we here Downunder carry our share of dead and the physical handicapped for life and why? By reason of being on holiday with family and loved ones in Bali.





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BK,

Cyberspace 30/01/2008 09:56:16
Superintendent Brett Lovegrove is telling the terrorists "leave London alone and go and bomb Edinburgh" although it is London who are, with Washington, jointly responsible for the world's worst terrorist outrages in recent years? It would be convenient for him if the nasty Jocks, who mainly oppose the UK's illegal and criminal wars, got bombed.
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Logie Almond,

30/01/2008 09:56:24
Good, I'm fed up with all these jugglers anyway.
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sceptic,

30/01/2008 09:57:16
That's it then! Next we shall be told that ID cards and 3 months detention without charge are essential for our safety. If a suicide bomber kills a bus load of innocent passengers we can all relax knowing that either he didn't have an ID card or it was a fake.
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joppa jock,

Huntingdon 30/01/2008 10:00:01
#67 is scarily correct in many of his comments. At the present rate of growth of the Muslim population in the UK it can only be a matter of time before they have the majority vote in large parts of the country. They will then be able to impose their culture upon what will be the minority non-Muslim population without the need for bloodshed. Their secret weapon is to have large families. Our grandchildren will live in a very different country to the on we know!
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Paul Carline,

Scotland 30/01/2008 10:05:55
Like Keir I'm encouraged by the fact that the overwhelming majority of posters realise this is yet another crude attempt to sustain the phoney 'war on terror'.

However there is a real threat - that the evil loonies in our own (and possibly other) secret services (with a nod and a wink from government) will stage an event just to convince the doubters.

That happened across Europe from 1969 to 1980. Nearly 500 civilians were blown up or shot (90 killed and 200 wounded by a suitcase bomb in Bologna train station, for example). The killings were blamed on 'Communists' (the West's chosen enemy at the time) but were in fact carried out by right-wing paramilitaries trained and armed by our own MI6 and the CIA and working directly to NATO. They were 'inside jobs' and 'black ops'.

Check out the TV film originally made for the BBC by Allan Frankovich called "Operation Gladio".

All the evidence clearly shows that the first WTC bombing in '93, the Oklahoma City bombing in '95, 9/11 and 7/7 were more of the same (we can also add Bali and Madrid to the list) - all in the interests of creating a supposed threat from a fictitious enemy, and in the case of 9/11 providing a pretext for two illegal wars. 7/7 effectively derailed the massive "Make Poverty History" campaign which was demanding a different economic world order, and propped up the phoney 'war on terror'.

So I wouldn't put it past them to stage something in Scotland - with the added incentive of letting the SNP know who's really in charge.

We need to let them know in no uncertain terms that we're not going to be taken in again.



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C.,

30/01/2008 10:09:03
In the article we are not allowed to comment on, about the plot of British Muslim Solider having his head cut off. I think all those concered, including their families should be kicked out of the country. Their assets should be arrested, and put back in to helping fight the terrorism within. Ian Howard was right in what he said. If only more polititians had his guts and stopped being more PC.
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Banjo Face,

Glasgow 30/01/2008 10:09:16
Caller: 'Oh my god! Something terrible just happened at the festival!'

The Polis: 'It always does'
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Guthrie,

Edinburgh 30/01/2008 10:09:22
Cool, it is me that a random Australian chooses to comment on.
That soiree wasn't even properly planned. IIRC, they were going to attack somewhere in England, but got scared away after the London bomb did nothing. Besides, it wouldn't have been a massacre, because their method and materials were completely wrong, I believe bobbins is one word you can use to describe it.

Educated mongrels? What on earth are they?
As for AUld Scotia, sorry lad, it doesn't exist.

We ar ein our comfort zone because, surprise suprise, we are aware that many people exagerate the dangers, and we also have what they keep trying to assure us is a really good intelligence agency out to foil the bombers. So why should we worry?

You seem to have this odd idea that every Muslim in the UK is going to want to impose Sharia law, whereas, as you seem to admit later, that is not the case.




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Banjo Face,

30/01/2008 10:10:53
Eskbank Jambo:

Terrorists are more likely to target places where there are a lot of people. Which rules out Hearts games...
73

Mr Pink,

30/01/2008 10:14:51
74

This is always the case with mass immigration. Our existing example is Glasgow City Council and the west of scotland labour party.

As for those who think this is a scare story. They have dismissed the attack on Glasgow Airport already.

Muppets.
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sweet76,

Coventry 30/01/2008 10:18:22
I think there's more chance of being beaten to death by a bunch of drug crazed youths whilst popping out for milk than being the victim of a terrorist attack.
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HGG,

Edinburgh 30/01/2008 10:19:18
Brett, Brett, Brett.

Please sir. My dads not a muslim, but he does have a dodgy beard! Should I report him?
Where can I find my local Stasi representative?

Seriously though, 75 is right on several points. If you don't already know about it check out Operation Gladio. Our leaders are misleaders, (as is you didn't already know that) don't trust them.
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Media 1,

cape town 30/01/2008 10:21:31
Paul Carline

I hear you! But knowing what is actually happening is of no help to anyone.
I can accept the fact that our governments have created all the terror that is now prevalent in our world. I can see, understand and acknowledge the process that began in the corridors of American power and culminated in the attack on the twin towers. I can see people falling to their death in the most ghastly and utterly devastating attack I have ever witnessed and accept that it all began within the off limit (to most)areas off the Pentagon, and then filtered its way down to some Muslim fanatic with an agenda.
I understand the "Viruses of the Mind" and the Memes that create them. But what does it help?
We are programmed to get on with our own lives and accept the one sided media onslaught as fact. Those of us who dont, cant make a difference anyway! The world is the way it is because we want it that way!
Sad indeed, but the way it is.
A war on terror, drugs and anything else is necessary! War means money, and money is king!
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AllyFraeEmbra,

Near the Castle 30/01/2008 10:25:29
How to reduce the chance of a terrorist attack on London? Flag up all the other places in the UK that would make good targets instead. A (not very well hidden) NIMBY agenda from Brett (head of counter-terrorism for the City of London Polis) Lovegrove, me thinks.
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Cynical,

Edinburgh 30/01/2008 10:27:11
More Fascism from already one of the world's most Fascist states.

The entire nation of England and Scottish Labour are turning into control freaks.
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Urban Guerrilla,

Edinburgh 30/01/2008 10:34:54
If we cleared out of Iraq now and stopped interfering in other countries, there would be no terrorist threat.
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Rabhairt,

Cannons Creek AUSTRALIA 30/01/2008 10:36:15
Well , let me say this, I will be in Edinburgh for the 2009 Homecoming Celebrations which is looking like the largest gathering of the Clans in history; here in Aussie the alarmist Feds keep telling us to look out for anything suspicious and report it on the HOTLINE, what do I look for?, terrorists don't seem to hang out in Pubs, I think this is a Sassenach plot to mess up Scotlands economy, it would not be the first time.
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ddmc,

30/01/2008 10:40:19
If you ever hear of security consultants or the military holding terrorist attack simulations in Scotland run, getaway as fast as you can. 2 things in common between 9/11 & 7/7, exercises were being held simulating attacks when they turned into reality.

#79 I always wondered why there was a warm fuzzy glow, with peace & security at tynie ;-)
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pwd,

Hawick 30/01/2008 10:43:54
This article must be nonsense because everybody just loves the Scots and they all know we're not really British because we too are colonised and oppressed. Well that's the way some nationalists tell it but the truth is rather different. The above is not a particularly good article but it doesn't take genius to work out that anywhere with a high profile and large crowds is a potential target.
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suaveduverre,

30/01/2008 10:49:30
Edinburgh has always been a high target for terrorism as is any major city that attracts high volumes of tourism etc. Any person with any sense knows this and to apply extra vigilance. I feel this article is somewhat out of date. What are we to do, never leave the sofa to be subjected to scar mongering on the TV. Next we will be hearing that our houses will not sell due to terrorism... oh wait, we have!
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stmonan,

London 30/01/2008 10:55:52
This whole piece reeks of the "Dundee Man Lost at Sea" school of journalism.

There are some terrorists who will do bad stuff in places where they can pull it off. I doubt the citizens of Bali, Madrid or Glasgow Airport holidaymakers thought they were about to be targeted till it happened.

What that doesn't justify is a hysterical over-reaction to an ongoing threat. It's only a matter of time till someone will be killed on our roads or murdered in our streets - probably a matter of hours - as well. Some perspective, please.
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Supertramp,

Edinburgh 30/01/2008 11:01:58
#20 is spot on - Its the job of couter -terrorist operatives to be paranoid, doesn't mean we all have to join in.
Those of you making fun of the man's (admittedly unfortunate) name - gonnae growup!
Don't know which sort of comments are more annoying - the head in the sand brigade or the "we've got smeatons / come and have a go if you think you're hard enough" sort
Those of you slagging the Scotsman for the article - 90 comments and growing - seems like people are interested......
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Gusto,

30/01/2008 11:05:06
I'm sure Brett (Isnt it a misspelling of brat?) mistook George Dubbja's pronounciation of turrrurrist. He was talking about tourists!
No need to worry, I'm sure MI something's hired guns will put 7 bullets in the head of anyone looking remotely like a turrrurrist - especially blond girls with a rucksak.
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Alastair the First,

30/01/2008 11:06:36
The government and there various agencies and mouthpieces seem to be trying to create a state of fear and alrm about bombings and about so called global warming (which it now seems may have stopped in 1998...). Is that not in itself a form of state sponsored terrorism?

I expect we're all going to be attacked by patio heaters with long beards.
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Guthrie,

Edinburgh 30/01/2008 11:07:52
#90 suaveduverre- If Edinburgh has always been a good target for terrorists, perhaps you can tell us of the many plots that have been foiled, and the attacks that have taken place?

I can assure you that Lothian and Borders police will be doing all sorts of anti-terrorist stuff, given their prior experience with stuff like the CHOG meeting a few years ago and the fact the the Queen likes to visit Holyrood.
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Guthrie,

Edinburgh 30/01/2008 11:08:10
#90 suaveduverre- If Edinburgh has always been a good target for terrorists, perhaps you can tell us of the many plots that have been foiled, and the attacks that have taken place?

I can assure you that Lothian and Borders police will be doing all sorts of anti-terrorist stuff, given their prior experience with stuff like the CHOG meeting a few years ago and the fact the the Queen likes to visit Holyrood.
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AllyFraeEmbra,

Edinburgh 30/01/2008 11:21:59
#87 - As the Koran forbids the consumption of alcohol it seems to me that the pub is the safest place to be, as any self-respecting muslim terrorist would not want to be seen dead in such a place.....unless of course he/she was a successful suicide bomber in which case they would be dead already (as would everybody else). Damn, there goes that theory ;-)
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Number 6,

Germany 30/01/2008 11:24:26
#61 Walter, maybe the americans should enrole Condaleeeeeeeza on this course. When you consider how many highly detailed warnings shwe was given about 9/11, including the facts they would attack within weeks (Correct). They plan to fly hijacked craft into tall buildings (Correct again), yet on the day they failed to react in any way. With that level of reaction
Al Quida could parade down pensilvanyia Avenue without being spotted.

And these are the experts that now wish to lecture us ?
extrordinary.
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Liz,

Edinburgh 30/01/2008 11:46:05
#96
From memory there was an "alledged" plot to target the Hogmanay Street Party probably 5/6 years ago I remember it being on the news and they arrested some people in the Meadowbank area.
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walter,

30/01/2008 12:02:31
#98
Are you suggesting that because the warnings reference 9/11 were ignored we should not learn from that lesson.

What is the risk assessment for Edinburgh from terrorist attack.
Has it happened? No, Could it happen? Yes, Can we put measures in place to assist in preventing it happening? Yes.
It seems that the majority of people on here would prefer the answer to the last as No.
They will be the first to complain if any attack does take place and nothing was done to try prevent it.
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tomislav,

home, bemused 30/01/2008 12:03:06
Ehhh ,,, where's Edinburgh?
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morris,

edinburgh 30/01/2008 12:16:52
103

Slightly amusing were it not for the fact that this is an Edinburgh publication of course.

However I agree that whilst its possible that Edinburgh Festival could be a target,its equally
possible that aliens might land on the lawn of the White House, seeking intelligent life forms,say "TAKE ME TO YOUR LEADER",speak to George Bush and decide to
forget any notions of intelliegnce here, and give this planet a miss!

The story has little basis,and even less justification, if that were possible!
If I were an Al Qaueda operative I doubt that I would attack Edinburgh !Im not even sure I would know where it was. Maybe you are correct,The more I think about it,the more secure I feel.
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WKKB,

30/01/2008 12:23:23
and so, if they (the Al Queda) hadn't thought about Edinburgh before I'm sure they will now and they've even been told where and when to strike. BRILLIANT SCOTSMAN! Of course what the Al Queda needs to keep in mind is that with the growing Muslim population in Edinburgh they may want to think twice. That may not look so good, inflicting injury or death on their own communities.

I will of course try to be additional eyes and ears for the police as far as I can be and pray it never happens.
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ImSparticus,

30/01/2008 12:27:04
Does such an earse such as Lovegrove ..get paid to write shiate such as this?
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Bookseller,

Edinburgh 30/01/2008 12:39:43
So which headline should you run with? 1) Expert who makes his living out of terror threat hypes terror threat - exclusive 2) Large gatherings of people a risk - shock.

Is Al Qaeda specifically targeting mime acts, fire eaters, opera singers or violinists? We must be told!
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Destroy the Planet,

30/01/2008 12:41:13
Jihad ! The Musical
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Janis *,

london 30/01/2008 12:44:42

WKKB 106 A little naive: A muslim population in Edinburgh will give you some protection , oh yea!!

What is the problem with Brett (yes I know, very unfortunate name) Lovegrove giving advice to an "anti-terrorist seminar"? He seems to be saying be prepared, & vigilant. What's wrong with that?

Poster 87 are you for real?
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Observer. 1,

Glasgow 30/01/2008 13:00:41
Al quaeda strike for political motives - it is all to do with the US. They might be suicide bombers but they are not random bombers. What is significant about the Edinburgh Festival to them ? Nothing. They are no more likely to target Edinburgh as the Blackpool illuminations. Scare mongering again such as we saw when Stephen House became the new Chief Constable of Strathclyde. We all know the truth we will all be potential targets for as long as we are the tail on the US donkey.
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Joe M.,

Edinburgh 30/01/2008 13:03:42
Headline: Festival is key terror target

Actuality: "I don't have specific intelligence that Edinburgh is going to be the next target."

This is typical of the dishonest reporting of this newspaper. If there needed to be a headline at all it would have been much more accurate (but less deliberately alarming) to say:

"Policeman warns of possible threat to Festival"

There is a very thin line between warning of possible dangers and actively encouraging it.

Unfortunately since the Glasgow attempt it is obvious that we are a target but it is also equally obvious that we shouldn't be since foreign policy is not controlled in Scotland.

Until we are an independent country that can make our own voice heard internatinally we will continue to pay the price for intemperate actions and language by senior politicians in the UK and US.

This claim which has no obvious basis in reality is designed to stoke up fear and encourage people to agree to further removal of human rights and democratic safeguards.

It's a bit like the UK Government who have in writing admitted that ID cards have nothing whatsover to do with combatting terrorism yet despite this regularly suggest that they might do so.

This British Government is a disaster, it doesn't represent the views of most Scots and without independence we will always be in danger both from terrorists and from right of centre politicians who are desperate to grab more police powers.
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JT,

30/01/2008 13:10:52
Have you seen the state of Princes St this week? Doubt an attack will make any difference. Thanks to Blair and Bush trying to take over the world we have become more of a target but then we lived through the IRA and co-horts for 30 years so we live with this. This kind of claptrap from London and Washington just does one thing, installs more intollerance of anyone different. Ironically one thing that festival represents!
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Boab,

Glasgow 30/01/2008 13:24:56
Six foreign countries had warned HM Government before the London bombings and the home office took no action; the intel even went as far as saying it would be attack on an underground train carried out by four men.

So, I'd take headlines like this with a big pinch of salt. Nice to see skepticism on these threads rather than hysteria.
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Kieron,

Stirling / Edinburgh 30/01/2008 13:40:26
Whichever way you look at this, it is going to affect the way people think about coming to the festival. I would suggest that many will now think twice!!

This has been printed in at least 2 other newspapers today! Is this sending out the right message about Edinburgh? Hundreds of Hogmanay tickets unsold, terrorism threats for the Festival? We have enough BAD news in this city as it is, we don't need any more!
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Redfive,

30/01/2008 13:43:25
Liberty no longer exists in Nu-labour UK. Due to the illegal war based on lies, uncontrolled immigration from countries that are known around the world as safe havens for terrorists, ridiculous border controls, pathetic passport control and the most inept incompetent policitaly correct immigration service staffed by illegal immigrants known to the western world.

Welcome to the UK a country in freefall going to the dogs under the control of the Nu-Labour muppets who are determined to destroy our country and culture. Minorities and foriegn criminals welcome to the great British gravy train come gourge yourself and your family at tax payers expense, free food free housing free un-employment and childcare allowances, if you have a large enough family we will even buy you a car but only if you are non natives.
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EdinburghBloke,

Edinburgh 30/01/2008 13:47:32
Calm down people. Brett Lovegrove has obviously just finished reading Skinner's Festival by Quintin Jardine. This book starts of with an explosion on Princes Street in the midst of the Edinburgh Festival.
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LL Cool Jim,

30/01/2008 13:54:07
#55 Media 1 - In your first paragraph change "Iran" to "Westminster" for each "what would you do" .

Indeed, hopefully we won't.

And

#113 JT - brilliant! - Edinburgh looks as though it's been the target of numerous attacks at the moment right enough.
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Observer. 1,

dodging terrorists 30/01/2008 13:54:09
Good book that
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Patrick/Edinburgh,

here and there 30/01/2008 13:56:40
I was suprise that my comment # 35 was removed for administrated reasons. It was a very conservative comment, a real shame, it was a very good comment. let me post this: I love UK censorship!

Dear Folks

Ever since I first came to Scotland with studies at the University of Edinburgh I have been reading the Scotsman.com. I am very proud of the news and article contributors. But I am thinking this today I should write a story on commenter's to the stories. There seems to be a regular few that comes in with different tides that constantly bash the articles. This seems to be illogical when it comes to the comments on Terrorism in today's Scotsman.

I work on a national civil defense and preparedness policy established in Washington D.C. I also have linked up from the Center for the Study of Terrorism and Political Violence at St. Andrews University. Given the fact I was in Washington D.C. on September 11. 2001, I saw the extreme failure of communications, action, transportation and priorities on that day.

The continued mocking of the stories by a few, I worry will have a negative effect on the importance of the problem of terrorism in the UK. to the readers. Our purpose in coming to Scotland we brought with us the concept of Scottish Civil Defense. The main reasoning why I understand Civil Defense to be important comes with our recent initiative "If you could have stopped 9/11 would you have."

The comparison reality that I like to point out is that a flight school instructor should have been sounding alarms in Florida USA, on Arabs who wanted to fly airline planes but not need to know how to land them. The passengers of the United Airline Flight over Pennsylvania USA on September 11. 2001, that aborted that terrorist strike. Then there is the most amazing story of the three weeks in October 2002, the Washington D.C. sniper. There was another communication failure and it was a truck driver, who blocked off a rest stop where he figured out that thi
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mk-ultra,

Embry 30/01/2008 13:56:44
If we want to know if Edinburgh will be attacked by terrorists, maybe we should draft in Mr Peter Power of Visor Consultants, who were running a terror drill in the London Underground on 7/7 which precisely matched the real events.
Same day.....same time.....same stations......
What are the chances eh?

youtube - "Peter Power 7/7 Terror Rehearsal"
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Patrick/Edinburgh,

here and there 30/01/2008 14:01:37
There was another communication failure and it was a truck driver, who blocked off a rest stop where he figured out that this must be the snipers sleeping in a car.

Civil Defense is very effective or consequential. The importance of the will of the people to stand up against terrorism is paramount as the threat and influence of the ideology grows and spreads.

But when one of the little commenter's took a little swipe at a civil defense policy, this is ignorance in it's highest degree. The threat of terrorism is no joke. We have sent in an official letter to the first minister concerning Scottish Civil Defense that's how concerned we are about the threat of terrorism in the UK.

I could go on, but I hope the people have enough vision not to let these blogger bullies convince people to look the other way from terrorism, because that's how 9/11 happened.

Scottish Civil Defense

The ability and will of the people of
Scotland to provide self protection
prevention from harm
with sustainment and recovery
through developed resources of a
resolved bond of preparedness

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Ard Righ,

The Rock Of Edinburgh 30/01/2008 14:05:01
Kick these war mongering unionists, out of our country NOW.

Let me guess, the MI5 with blow up something and blame it on terrorists creating the concensus for us to sell yet more liberties.

OUT NOW DEATH WORSHIPERS
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Destroy the Planet,

30/01/2008 14:05:24
# 123 You reap what you sow, thats why 9/11 happened
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mk-ultra,

Embry 30/01/2008 14:16:28
#121

"I am thinking this today I should write a story on commenter's to the stories."

It would be better if you would write a story about the fact that several of the 9/11 hijackers trained at US military bases.
Oh wait, someone already has.....Newsweek,The Washington Post,Pensacola News Journal...but no-one really noticed and the media just quietly put the story to bed.....

“As the investigation gathered strength Saturday, unusual leads began to surface, among them the possibility that some of the hijackers may have received training at Pensacola Naval Air Station in Florida or other U.S. military facilities.

Two of 19 suspects named by the FBI, Saeed Alghamdi and Ahmed Alghamdi, have the same names as men listed at a housing facility for foreign military trainees at Pensacola. Two others, Hamza Alghamdi and Ahmed Alnami, have names similar to individuals listed in public records as using the same address inside the base.

In addition, a man named Saeed Alghamdi graduated from the Defense Language Institute at Lackland Air Force Base in San Antonio, Texas, while men with the same names as two other hijackers, Mohamed Atta and Abdulaziz Alomari, appear as graduates of the U.S. International Officers School at Maxwell Air Force Base, Ala., and the Aerospace Medical School at Brooks Air Force Base in San Antonio, respectively. ”
(Washington Post Sept 16th 2001)
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Redfive,

30/01/2008 14:17:31
Well Patrick if you are serious about protecting scotland and not just throwing of a few politicaly correct sound bites lets start by getting the fek out of iraq and afghanistan we have no right to be there. It was the USA that invaded afghanistan and it was mainly the USA that invaded Afgahnistan. Now in my book any UK politican that wanted to keep the UK safe would of NEVER entered into such an open ended ill thought out war based on the wishes of another country. Our ruling elite should give the safety of the natives way above any wishes of invasion from another country. 9/11 happened because of Israel and how the palestinians are being treated instead of putting pressure on Israel to solve the impass the USA chose to invade Iraq and this is the mess we are in today.
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Media 1,

cape town 30/01/2008 14:31:10
A voice for Scotland:

On the contrary, I would surmise that people who vent the sort of aggression and rage that you display, are the danger to humanity.
Race is not vile, I am sorry you appear to think of it as such. My post was simply implying that people who live in first world conditions could quite easily slip into desperation mode if they were subjected to the sort of conditions experienced in countries like Iraq, Iran etc.
Your post was dispensed with a dangerously high level of wrath. It is not me that upsets you, but the union, Labour and England.
People who respect Scotland and the union she belongs to are just as Scottish as you. Whereas you may base your Scottishness on the amount of hatred you harbour for England, some others base their passion on the amount of ardour they have for Scotland.
Is it not probable to conclude that people in a first world country who cannot let go of a 700 year old war, would indeed behave in the same manner as some of those fanatical people currently living in Iran or Iraq. One would be forced to conclude that you alone would be easily swayed into attacking your oppressor, such is the level of your hatred for Labourites and Unionists.
You may think that you are more superior than some fundamentalist Iranian, but youre not! It is just that you are protected from your encountering your primal core by law and order, stability and peace.
Miskien moet jy a boek lees ou maat!
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Redfive,

30/01/2008 14:32:44
Just to get one thing straight I think if everyone in scotland want to be independant from the UK then great go for it but there appears to be a lot of confusion about who is runnning what on a nationalistic scale. It is the scots who are in control at westminster and many scottish MPs that have the plum jobs running the country so enough of the crap about Brit Nats, scots are today in charge of the UK that is fact. I wonder how long before the english start sounding as racist as A Voice from Scotland.. and demand English rule for England. Truth is we are fuked over by the gov but you get the odd person who swears its all about nationalism and attacks anyone who disagrees with them, some people get a life and travel the world a bit to over come their petty and small mindedness racist attitudes.
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Redfive,

30/01/2008 14:36:15
130 Good post agree with every word.
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suaveduverre,

30/01/2008 14:38:56
Guthrie - I was not questioning Edinburgh & Lothian Borders Police or their methods of dealing with anti-terrorism and I agree with your comments. I recollect walking around Edinburgh whilst the G8 was in progress felt quite encouraged with the amount of officers around. The number of plots foiled and attacks is irrelevant, Edinburgh is still a high risk target. You said yourself that the Queen frequents Holyrood and that in itself makes it a target. This is not a reflection on the police or their methods. I do find the article to have been written simply to fill a page.
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Ard Righ,

The Rock Of Edinburgh 30/01/2008 14:38:59
"There is a lack of focus on iconic buildings, such as in the IRA days of going for Downing Street, the City of London or the Royal Family. That is not evident now," he said."

That is because it is these institutions who are attacking the populace.

DUH
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Ard Righ,

The Rock Of Edinburgh 30/01/2008 14:40:09
Get the snipers and take out the butchers, do everyone a favor.
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Ard Righ,

The Rock Of Edinburgh 30/01/2008 14:51:20
Dear fascist colonial government,

The film 1984 is NOT a promotional video, NOT, understand?
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suaveduverre,

30/01/2008 15:01:55
Gushka - Was it not Mandela who said Forgive but never forget...
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Media 1,

cape town 30/01/2008 15:03:29
#136 Grushka

Thank you for your comments. I take onboard what you are saying about the word probable. Perhaps I should have said possible, that makes more sense and I apppreciate your positive feedback.
I dont assume that 1st world countries are free from affliction. Of course there is poverty and disenfranchisd people. My point is that all the people living in 1st world nations, regardless of their financial or social position could possibly encounter that primal part of their character if subjected to more serious problems than poverty, such as bombs, displacement, war and caranage by a foreign army they may view as oppressive.
I also dont doubt that the song "flower of Scotland" is sacred to some, or dear as you say. What I am saying, is that if people in a 1st world society can find harmony in a song that celebrates a victory over 700 years ago against a nation who there is still some animosity, then is it not possible that they could behave the same way as some of those fundamentalist we dislike so much?
And maybe Scotland is a country within a country, and maybe we will develop ourselves, but you cannot say that the union has not helped Scotland. The union was our ticket to join the very 1st world super power, and we have benefitted from that. But this is not about Scotland and the union, it is about how any person from any first world nation could be swayed to behave like the terrorists we despise if subjected to oppressive conditions first by your own, and then by other occupiers who are after nothing but self gratification, power and money.
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bonspeil,

30/01/2008 15:19:54
I love my country. 139 comments, most pointing out the article for the scaremongering it is - with wit and humour. Two of the funniest things I've read for ages:

"Jihad! The Musical"
"Good, I'm fed up with all these jugglers anyway."

Brilliant. As someone else said more chance of being set upon by our home-grown terrorists - neds - on the bus than blown up.
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brettgallacher,

edinburgh 30/01/2008 15:20:19
i suppose all the people who want to deny it is going to happen were not at glasgow airport whereby only through good luck the muslim suicide bomber didnt blow up thousands of people the facts are its going to happen until we address the problem and stop pussyfooting about the fact is we bend over backwards to allow people to come to this country to integrate and they do is repay us by trying to blow us up unless we accept being taken over i for one cant wait until it happens so the do gooders can get their come uppance
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brettgallacher,

edinburgh 30/01/2008 15:23:29
bonbon speil come off the glue just because you dont read about the attacks by asians chinese poles turks etc on the citisans of this country does nt mean it isnt happening every single day someone is attacked by a foreigner
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Lock,

30/01/2008 15:27:02
I'm moving to the Tora Bora mountains. No chance of anything ever getting blown up there. Add to that having a kidney dialysis machine, a PC and a TV studio in every second cave and it looks like it I won't be the only one making the trip.
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Media 1,

cape town 30/01/2008 15:30:52
#142 Grushka

I said the 1st WORLD super power! Rome was a European super power.....
Anyway, moving along. I think the article is irresponsible. Every event that attracts large volumes of people is a possible terrorist target!
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Delphine,

Edinburgh 30/01/2008 15:31:30
What is this? Only three months ago a police chief said an attack on Edinburgh was almost inevitable. Are they trying to pursuade anybody to do the deed?? This is really sinister. If there is a concrete danger, why not react/try to prevent it - rather than constantly mutter sagely "it will come, I'm sure of that" like some Doomesday monger.
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Carlung,

Haddington 30/01/2008 15:31:30
"We mustn't be stereotypical – a terrorist is just as likely to be a white, blonde woman as opposed to the image many people may hold." What a load of politically correct crap. We should be concentrating on Icelandic Pack-packers, Buddist monks, and crofters and shepherds from Jura and Coll.
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ddmc,

30/01/2008 15:47:43
#149 i agree, we could use a bomb fashioned from calor gas & petrol cans. As #141 points out it coulda killed 0000's

When they hold simulation terrorist exercises it's time to run
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mk-ultra,

Embry 30/01/2008 15:52:18
#141

I wouldn't rule out the possibility of something happening but the question is who would do it?
From the evidence I've seen of 9/11 and 7/7,I'm just not sure.
Western intelligence agencies have quite a lot of form when it comes to "false-flag" terror operations.
Google "Gladio"
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Iain's,

30/01/2008 16:38:12
Who thought up Project Griffin?
Peter Griffin from Family Guy or some other fool?

When the IRA was a problem, Irish people were targeted as more likely to be IRA operatives.

Why is it wrong to target Muslims?

I feel that all this stuff is just people ensuring that the anti-terrorist gravy train keeps on rolling.



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RCI,

Lanarkshire 30/01/2008 16:42:07
#141
"only through good luck the muslim suicide bomber didnt blow up thousands of people"

I've told you a million times...don't exaggerate.

I think physics had a part to play. Gas cylinders are designed to withstand a lot of fire before they blow.
It doesn't take a brain surgeon to know that.
I fail to see where the planning was in the Glasgow Airport attack.
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Lock,

30/01/2008 16:46:35
#156,

Exactly - the whole point of a gas cylinder is that it doesn't blow up. What worries more is that these so called Doctors obviously hadn't been taught basic physics and chemistry.
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Patrick/Edinburgh,

here and there 30/01/2008 16:51:00
in ref to my #121

Thanks for the extra thoughts redfive and MK and any others. If the if the powers to be will let me. you are welcome to contact me. Keep the faith
patrickswebmail@usnetwork-uk.net
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Miss H,

30/01/2008 17:40:56
They've got it in for Edinburgh don't they? The security services I mean. Maybe they are just looking for free digs during the festical so they can keep an eye out for dodgy looking blokes with beards. Let's hope Brian Blessed is not appearing in anything...
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Andrew Allan,

30/01/2008 17:42:57
#157.,Lock. 30/01/2008 16:46:35


’…… the whole point of a gas cylinder is that it doesn't blow up. What worries more is that these so called Doctors obviously hadn't been taught basic physics and chemistry.’

I’m sorry Lock but you are not quite as right as you think you are. Up until a number of years ago gas cylinders didn’t have the safety feature which stops the pressure building up as what would happen if heated up in a fire. This feature is not on all cylinders around the world, so it is possible these Doctors may never have heard of the safety feature which stopped them exploding.

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voltaire's janny,

30/01/2008 17:43:33
Oh good. When the Embra Heir to Smeato's crown blooters the next islamist nutter I can write another net poem and claim another Warholian 15 minutes' fame. My last one went global and I am eager for more anonymous adulation.
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Miss H,

30/01/2008 17:47:14
109 Jihad! The Musical - Brian Blessed would be just right for that.....
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Andrew Allan,

30/01/2008 17:48:45
If you are a city or a town with a name then it is only a matter of time before someone is going to try and blow it up, though with Edinburgh it surely doesn't help it being a city in the public eye, well in Scotland any how, within Great Britain, a target for terrorist, and so Edinburgh by default.
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Andrew Allan,

30/01/2008 17:59:53
An interesting fact about the Glasgow bomb attempt, when the police were following up their urgent investigations to catch the terrorists who tried to blow up London and they followed up some leads in Scotland, the police left a telephone number with the estate agent so as one of the employees could get into contact when ever they could, this was instead of chasing up the person themselves, which then allowed the terrorists to attempt what they did, and so doing trying to create a political atmosphere which would bolster the unionist bandwagon.
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voltaire's janny,

30/01/2008 18:06:47
Interesting factoid:

As evidenced by genetic (DNA) diversity humankind started in Africa, radiated at least twice out and once back in from Asia. The majority of diversity remains in Africa - again as expected. Everyone descended from the radiations is closer to each other than to any modern, native African. That means an Englishman, Australian Aborigine, Innuit, Chinese, Pakistani, Slav or Polynesian are all the same race, or put another way race is meaningless except to those who would be racist.

Religions love a good hate group, which is why we find such close associations with racial, tribal & ethnic hatreds. Islam is not a race, but their book must be in Arabic. Jews are not a race, but Hitler thought so.

So if we're all the same we'll just have to invent silly beards, dodgy head-gear, mysogeny, creation myths, distinct accents or holy books coupled with some visible phenotype like hooked noses, black skin, ginger hair etc so we can all properly despise the out-group we are told to.

Oh wait, we already did.......


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subrosa,

30/01/2008 18:15:11
Media 1, cape town 30/01/2008 15:03:29:
'The union was our ticket to join the very 1st world super power, and we have benefitted from that.'

I wonder of you could augment this statement for me please. Thanks very much.
150

brew,

30/01/2008 18:22:14
This smacks of the same for Scotland as in the article about the US called the Fear Factory. It's on Truthout.org and in the latest Rolling Stone mag. http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/012908B.shtml#
Fear is the key to controlling a population.
151

subrosa,

30/01/2008 18:26:08
Wasn't it just a few days ago the Festival crowd were complaining they needed more money as £4m+ wasn't enough and the Scottish government coughed up another £200,000?

Well after this article the visitor numbers could be well down - great advertisement thanks.

Anyone who has the ability to travel to an event such as the Edinburgh Festival surely, in today's climate, knows the risks regarding their own safety.

As for 'terrorists' being called Muslims why not? As someone posted earlier during the IRA days the 'terrorists' then were called Irish and nobody jumped up and down shouting racist - not even the Irish. Let's keep this in perspective.
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voltaire's janny,

30/01/2008 18:31:37
subrosa

Even the most ardent Unionist has to accept that the reasons for Union were security (of England from Scottish-French alliance) promised free trade for Scotland (to be guaranteed by England - a condition swiftly ignored) and an enormous bung (by England to the Scottish establishment to compensate for Darien - the failed Scottish colonial venture).

Even the most ardent nationalist has to agree that the peace dividend of that shoddy dissolution of parliament was the relatively swift resolution of the Jacobite situation (last battle on Brit soil 1745), the enlightenment and the birth of the modern world.

It was the universal education of Scots via their ever-angry Kirk that propelled wee Jocks to every corner of the globe as pioneers of empire AND rebellious colonies. And for that matter to positions of influence to mitigate empire's errors and injustices.

The fall-out of this benefit is membership of the rich countries - also those that regard civil change of government, freedom of speech, freedom from persecution, human rights and a nominal equality of aspiration, if not necessarily opportunity, as things worth maintaining.

Arranged against us we see only suppressive ideologies, theocracies or anarchists. Greater good in this world my friends 'cos there aint no other.



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I'mallymax,

Orwellian nightmare; cops justifying cops. 30/01/2008 18:32:58
These people (coppers) HAVE to justify their exhorbitant salaries, pensions, benefits and positions, otherwise they wouldn't have a job.

But it's not right for them to carry on Bliar's 'scaremongering' policies. I thought Bliar was gone! Splice ur 'Dragonhead', and let's all get back to living in harmony.

"We want people to be an extension of the police and help us fight the threat by being our eyes and ears," he said. "The seminar is designed to teach people how to spot potential terrorists – not by their appearance but by their behaviour." Does this mean wendy alexander's press secretary should be grassed-up and nicked? In-fact, this would all the 'elites' should be grassed up and nicked; love to see the coppers nicking themselves!

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Andrew Allan,

30/01/2008 18:37:28
#139., Media 1.
What do you think you are talking about media 1, Scotland decided to join with england to create the union for one reason, and one reason only, and that was trade. Even though Scotland and england was reigned over by the same Kings and Queens english merchants made sure Scotland wasn't allowed to trade in their trade roots, which included england too just before the act of union was agreed. England created a situation over Darien by not backing a fellow member of the UK, which would almost break Scotland, but not enough to stop the Queen of both lands stopping Scotland trading with england and other areas when it looked like Scotland would make a recovery, Scotland was then economically speaking starved out by their own Queen.
155

Andrew Allan,

30/01/2008 18:42:45
#169.,voltaire's janny.
Try reading Arthur Herman's The Scottish Enlightenment', and educate you ignorant ways.
156

Lastsocialist,

Europe 30/01/2008 19:03:16
The government is deliberately feeding the media these stories to create a climate of fear in order to justify its increasingly authoritarian policies of surveillance and control. Therefore, in order to maintain their freedoms indefinitely the inhabitants of Western countries have two major enemies to defeat: the first being Islamic fundamentalism and the second being our secular governments in thrall to the military-industrial complex. Two dangerous 'enemies within'. It may soon be necessary to remove the present government and restore the democratic authority of the people, salus populi suprema lex.
157

Miss H,

30/01/2008 19:16:22
173 If we have to defeat both Islamic fundamentalism AND secular governments what are we going to be left with? The democratic authority of the people can basically mean anything you want it to. This could become a complex debate.

On the other hand we could think up lyrics for Jihad! The Musical. I believe this idea was a stroke of genius. I really want to see this musical. Let's put on the show right here!
158

Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 30/01/2008 19:36:27
Beware the muslim run chip shop (Fish & Chicken Bar in Edinburgh) which over shakes the salt on your supper.

You'll have had your chips then.

OK, reference to another thread there but let's be aware and not afraid - which a well reported piece of journalism should have emphasised.
159

Big Irv,

Jackson, NJ, USA 30/01/2008 20:12:17
To Archie #2:

We do not have censors, Archie. We just have a lot of left-leaning media people who don't tell the whole truth. Freedom is alive and well but hard to find in the media and not because of official intervention. Try not to confuse the issues. This is still the freest country in the world.

Most of our media folks don't like to discuss the potential for a major attack because it might make George Bush look like he knows what he is talking about.

Superintendent Chamberlain is correct. Any major city in the infidel world is a potential target. The object is not to panic but to be diligent and to report anything that doesn't seem "right" to the authorities.

They would prefer a hundred false alarms to one real incident.
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Fanling,

Hong Kong 30/01/2008 20:54:42
#169 voltaire's janny
"(last battle on Brit soil 1745" (?)

I was taught at school that it was in 1746.

#162, #174. Miss H
Jihad! The Musical? Explosive performance by Brian Blessed as his boom-boom-booming voice is heard for the last time exiting stage left to a standing ovation.

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scotsdoc,

NANAIMO BC CANADA 30/01/2008 21:23:32

"TERRORISTS" have far bigger fish to fry than exist in Scotland......... Why waste time and resources on Scotland?.........I think somebody has overly inflated ideas of Scotland's importance on the political map of the world!

The USA and Israel are the only prime targets and their 'running dog lackies' along with the countries that support them are the secondary targets. .......What would a terrorist gain by say, blowing up a Celtic v Rangers match?

Most of the world's news media would attach as much importance as a car bomb in Karachi(if that!)

Just wasted time and effort to attack anything in Scotland!! For heavens sake, is the Forth Road Bridge not busy.at the present time, destroying itself?? Why bother speeding it up?

Now attacking the CIA Hq. or the White House would certainly focus the world's attention on the terrorist's grievences!
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subrosa,

30/01/2008 22:05:47
# 169 Voltaire's janny

Thanks for the history lesson. The operative word in your first paragraph is WERE.

There is no good reason nowadays that Scotland cannot be independent of the UK. Clinging to the past isn't healthy or wise in many circumstances. We've learned the lessons and I hope others have too.

I shall not go into the Darien affair and England's involvement. Too brutal for a Wednesday evening.
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30/01/2008 23:19:51
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Yane,

Melbourne 30/01/2008 23:50:46
Well that was the most fantastic, funny, brilliant thread I've read in ages. Thanks for the laughs guys - now I'm late for work!
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Shòógly Peg,

31/01/2008 00:05:48
90% of the Fringe is a crime against humanity.


Kenny MacAskill MSP, who is so insignificant I can't remember what job he holds in the Pretend Parliament, described the failed attack on Glasgow Airport as a "tragedy" on radio. Oh, yes he did!

What tragedy, ffs? Tragedy? One sad pr1ck in the 4x4 deservedly died, despite expensive efforts to save his sad, burned 4rse. His deluded mates will cost us a farking fortune in costs to defend themselves in court. They will not get what they deserve.

Everyone else went about their business almost as usual. Except for Smeato.

Smeato is a kidder and he knows it. Which is why Osama bin sheep sh4gger can't win.

Brett Lovegrove, eat my dirt. Farking loser.
166

Shòógly Peg,

31/01/2008 00:15:39
Brett Lovegrove, crazy name, crazy . . . . . .

Actually Brett Crazy Lovegrove. Retire him. He's a t1t.
167

Ian Bliar’s biatch, Brett Lovegrove,

31/01/2008 00:29:10
Pull me in muthafarkers and then we can discuss the issues.
168

voltaire's janny,

31/01/2008 10:13:58
Errata:

yes OK Culloden was in 46 - the conclusion of the '45

mea culpa

But Clarry - you need to temper your outrage with an objective view of history my friend.

Or to put it another way, yer talking pish.

I am a nationalist today who, through reading, cannot escape the conclusion that the Union, however shabbily born, was a good thing.

A clear line may be drawn from the end of conflict on UK soil through the emergent enlightenment to the very modern attitudes that allow us to be shamed and shocked by the clearances.

Your evil landlord vs innocent peasant view of history seems to be the result of a bibliography extending rarely beyond the Dandy and the Sunday Post, fine organs for the adolescent as both these are.
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Lastsocialist,

Europe 31/01/2008 14:11:02
I for one would welcome a Jihad Express! type musical lol. However, if it is written by Andrew Lloyd-Webber then that could be an incitement to further terrorism, which in this case would be justified. Cats and Starlight Express surely constitute crimes against humanity under international law.
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scotsdoc,

NANAIMO BC CANADA 31/01/2008 20:36:25
#184 thewitness,30/01/2008 23:19:51 ......(SAID)....

"Don't you mean prime suspects?"

"Glasgow Airport (Farce) - Security, Israeli
London Tube (7/7) - Security, Israeli
Bostons Logan Airport (9/11) - Security, Israeli"

Sure now I agree with you 100%...We have frequently see\n Washington and Tel Aviv involved in 'agent provoctaeur' clandestine 'terrorist type' operations.

Bur I still think that the USA, ISRAEL or ISLAMIC TERRORISTS would find few worthwhile targets in Scotland in this day and age.

 

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