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Al Ford,

Insch 05/07/2008 23:53:40
The following report from allmediascotland.com (at http://www.allmediascotland.com/media_releases/2952/eleven_glasgow_labour_councillors_under_investigation)has just come to my attention. It appears to shed light on the withdrawal of Councillor Ryan from the Labour candidate-selection procedure for the by-election at Glasgow East and the apparent unwillingness of Councillor Purcell to take his place.

"Eleven Labour Glasgow City Councillors, including Councillor George Ryan, who last night suddenly pulled out of the contest to represent Labour in the crucial Glasgow East by-election, were reported to the Standards (Commission) on 18 June 2008 in connection with a controversial land deal in the city centre.

"The complaint surrounded their conduct in relation to the controversial attempt to close down the 150 year old Paddy's Market in the city and obtain land on which the market is currently located.

"The complaint which was submitted to the Standards Commission of Scotland by a representative of Paddy's Market traders claimed that Councillor Ryan misled the council in a report he presented to the council's Executive Committee which recommended the council purchase the head lease of the land where the market is situated and for the historic Paddy's Market to be closed down.

"The report which was presented by Councillor Ryan at a meeting on 20 March 2008, and subsequently led to the council's endorsement of its recommendations, stated that the owners of the land had agreed to provide the lease at a reduced rate to the Council. However, the forty page complaint document submitted to the Standards Commission included information that clearly indicated that no such deal had been made with the council.

"Councillor Ryan also faces investigation for other breaches of the Code of Conduct in relation to this matter along with ten other high profile Glasgow City Council Labour councillors including the Council leader, Steven Purcell.

"Paddy's Market repre
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Al Ford,

Insch 05/07/2008 23:54:32
"Paddy's Market representative, Brian Daly said:
"This market has been here for over 150 years, and my family has been trading here for three generations. The Labour councillors who are intent on closing us down have failed in their responsibilities as elected members to engage with us at any time in relation to this. They have, instead, chosen to make backroom decisions and bulldozer them through without any regard for the democratic process.
"The whole affair has been one of misrepresentation of the facts to the public, the media and to the council itself. We live in a democratic society yet, some of those who we trust to carry out duties on our behalf have chosen to make decisions and disregard the wishes of the electorate.
"Labour councillors refused to share vital information with other elected members from other political parties who also represent this area or include them in the vital stages of the decision making process. Instead there has been a sustained approach by some Labour councillors and council officials to make unsupported claims both in council and through the media locally in an attempt to gain public and council support for their project.
"Elected members who behave in such a way should and must be held fully accountable for their actions, and whilst it would be inappropriate for me to pre-empt the findings of the Standard Commission investigation, I believe the evidence against those Councillors involved is pretty damning. We won’t put up with the bully boy tactics of the council any longer. We very much look forward to the outcome of the investigation."

"(...) The other ten Labour councillors (who) have been reported to the Standards Commission are: Councillor Steven Purcell, Council Leader

Councillor James Coleman, Deputy Leader of the Council

Councillor Aileen Colleran, Council Business Manager Councillor

Stephen Curran, City Treasurer

Bailie Gordon Matheson, local councillor for Paddy’s Market Bailie Hanzala Malik
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Al Ford,

Insch 05/07/2008 23:55:14
Councillor Stephen Doran Councillor Archie Graham Councillor Ruth Simpson Councillor Shaukat Butt

"The Code of Conduct for Councillors forms part of the Ethical Standards in Public Life etc. (Scotland) Act 2000

"Paddy's Market traders have submitted an alternative proposal to the landowners which, if accepted, would see them take over the head lease and to operate the facility on a community based co-operative system or trust. The Paddy's proposal details how they will regenerate the area whilst maintaining the current market community. It also places a strong emphasis on community involvement and social inclusion plans which would ensure that it continued to assist people from all walks of life."

As I have no personal knowledge of this matter, I shall refrain from commenting on it, save to say that it would appear that Labour's troubles concerning this ill-fated by-election of theirs appear to be about to reach a whole new level of political damage for them. At least the issue is a local one, and they did want to discuss local issues in this election. Did they not?
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Harry Shanks,

Rutherglen 06/07/2008 00:06:23
#4 LOL
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Iainbroch,

Moray 06/07/2008 00:07:53
I guess I will not be going to John Lewis anytime soon - the idea that a shrill harpie will be shopping there has sent a shiver down my spine.
Also I thought that Purcell and Ryan did not need to do any home refurnishing anytime soon - I guess I was wrong about that assumption?
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HEN BROON 5,

ALBA being held back by the UK 06/07/2008 00:10:40
LABOUR PARTY IN MELTDOWN. Margaret Curran in the above picture looks like she has been bungy jumping down a volcano. The melted welly look is very fashionable at the moment in Labour circles.
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Harry Shanks,

Rutherglen 06/07/2008 00:17:28
#7

When I saw the photo I thought it was Ex-Scottish Secretary Tom Clarke in drag.
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Fifi la Bonbon,

06/07/2008 00:30:30
Unlike most of the people posting here I know Margaret Curran and have known her for several years. She will be an excellent MP for the East End of Glasgow. Real Old Labour, where it matters, but new enough to understand the world as it is. Margaret can be relied upon to twist Gordon's arm with a bit more pressure to get things going in the East End and create opportunities to improve the appaling levels of poverty and ill health faced by many residents. The electors will realise that the SNP see their constituency and their votes purely as a propaganda exercise.

And she really annoys the nationalists, as can be seen by the pile of personal attacks they will use to try and hide their lack of real politics. Read on...
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Matt there,

somewhere 06/07/2008 00:30:51
"Curran's decision to stand may also have been influenced by the fact that her Holyrood seat is to be merged with a neighbouring constituency..."

Her decision to stand is a principled one, clearly.
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Harry Shanks,

Rutherglen 06/07/2008 00:31:26
#9

You would say that if Basil Brush was the candidate.

By "walking the seat" I assume you mean she will increase the majority?

Boom Boom!
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Harry Shanks,

Rutherglen 06/07/2008 00:33:06
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"Unlike most of the people posting here I know Margaret Curran and have known her for several years."

A completely unbiased assesment then.

Get a grip!
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Senga Jean,

06/07/2008 00:36:02
Labour? Just sad.
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democrate,

central Scotland 06/07/2008 00:41:10
and would Margaret Curran have any comment to make about the incumbent's expenses claims, as narrated in the Mail on Sunday today?
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Vivas,

Edinburgh 06/07/2008 00:41:28
#10, interesting comment you made there....
"Margaret can be relied upon to twist Gordon's arm with a bit more pressure to get things going in the East End and create opportunities to improve the appaling levels of poverty and ill health faced by many residents."

Any reason why her predecessor couldn't/didn't apply that 'bit more' pressure during his long tenure in the seat ???
Any reason why these 'appalling levels of poverty and ill health' have happened on Labour's watch ???
Any reason why this SLAB numpty Curran should suddenly be believed to deliver ANYTHING, when this constituency and it's neighbours have been left to rot by SLAB political careerists for decades ???

WHAT A JOKE !
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Fifi la Bonbon,

06/07/2008 00:42:56
#13 - "A completely unbiased assesment then."

No, an honest one. I'm not claiming to be unbiased - I'm not the BBC. Of course I'm biased, I know her and I like her, and I admire her work, as do many MSPs on all sides.

Now look at all the personal attacks!
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Fifi la Bonbon,

06/07/2008 00:43:32
#18 - you're not exactly helping here!
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Jock Fox,

06/07/2008 00:47:53
With a pedigree of 27 years advising soap-dodgers about benefit claims, Margaret Curran should romp it in Shettleston.
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Saor Alba :)
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Schot,

06/07/2008 00:55:09
How about Labours Lord Mike Watson ? His only crime was trying to incinerate a hotel full of Scottish politicians, a misdemeanor at best.
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Fifi la Bonbon,

06/07/2008 00:58:40
#29 - are you trying to sell a car?
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Fifi la Bonbon,

06/07/2008 00:59:59
#26 - I'm just trying to raise the tone!
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Jock Fox,

06/07/2008 01:02:26
#34,

No. He's just enjoying making his keyboard sticky.
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Harry Shanks,

Rutherglen 06/07/2008 01:06:46
Number 6 - I guess you must have got your information that the SNP attempted to get Elaine C Smith to stand from the Daily Record or some other Labour rag.

As far as i am aware Elaine C Smith is not currently even a member of the SNP.

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Harry Shanks,

Rutherglen 06/07/2008 01:16:01
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I think more has still to come out about the Mike Watson story.

The way I heard it, Lord George Foulkes was staggering through the hotel when he met Mike Watson who was standing by the window attempting to light a cigarette. Georgie boy being full of whisky, emitted a sort of Rikki Fulton type belch - forcefully and right into the path of Mike Watson's lighter. This in turn produced a sort of flamethrower effect which set light to the curtains.

I'm not saying it's true you understand, just the way I heard it.

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Marky Bhoy,

Scotland 06/07/2008 01:22:56

I cant imagine a more psthetic choice to stand for Labour .

She reminds me of a puppy I once had YELP YELP YELP only the Puppy was better looking
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FrancesP,

06/07/2008 01:37:03
The most interesting thing about this article is the suggestion that Curran does not intend to stand down from the Scottish Parliament and cause yet another by-election (hardly surprising given the risk for Labour). If that's true, she'll be both an MP and MSP for three whole years, and unless I'm missing something, she can't be in both places at once. The irony is that, given the tightness of the arithmetic at Holyrood, that's where Labour will really need her, but presumably she'll now be honour-bound to spend at least 50% of her time at Westminster, or else this decision will look utterly ridiculous. Well, it looks ridiculous anyway, but you know what I mean.

And how is she going to deal with this type of exchange -

CURRAN - I'm standing because I'm so committed to serving this part of Glasgow.
VOTER - So why don't you continue to serve us in the Scottish Parliament, like we elected you to do only last year?
CURRAN - Oh, but I'm going to carry on doing that as well.
VOTER - So what you're saying is we're now going to have a part-time MP and a part-time MSP? How is that providing us with a better service?
CURRAN - Ah, but that's exactly what Alex Salmond is doing in the north-east.
VOTER - But didn't I hear you say that was an utterly despicable thing for him to do? Or have you completely changed your mind since you said that?
CURRAN - Er...um...didn't you tell me your father voted Labour? Best not to think about these things too deeply, son.
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chicmac,

Kirriemuir 06/07/2008 01:44:01
The Labour majority is so huge in this constituency I cannot see Labour losing it.

So really I must say Margaret, welcome to obscurity, you could have been so much more.
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Fifi la Bonbon,

06/07/2008 01:50:08
Well FrancesP, I imagine if Margaret Curran doesn't win she'll stay on at Holyrood, while if she does win she'll want to give up Glasgow Baillieston. She shouldn't try to keep both constituencies going. If she gets the Westminster seat no doubt whoever the Labour candidate (not G Ryan!) is will have a better chance of getting in on the tide of victory.

FrancesP, why did you avoid using her first name? You wouldn't like it if she referred to you as P, would you?
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Edward,

06/07/2008 01:54:38
'Labour sources said last night that if Curran wins the Glasgow East by-election in three weeks, she will stand down at Holyrood at the next Scottish elections in 2010.
Eh! Someone better tell Labour the next Holyrood election is 2011 not 2010

So if gobby Curran wins, she will be a 2 for 1 deal part time MP and MSP
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Fifi la Bonbon,

06/07/2008 01:58:13
Oh, "sources", eh? Well I can't compete with "sources."
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FrancesP,

06/07/2008 02:05:58
45. "FrancesP, why did you avoid using her first name?" I have no idea, I hadn't really thought about it. To save time, I suppose! If I call her Ms Curran, perhaps Ms Curran will be kind enough to call me Ms P.

As for your specualtion about what might happen if Ms Curran wins the by-election, I'm not convinced. I still don't think Labour would take the risk of her standing down from Holyrood immediately. So she'd just have to plough on with her dual mandate for three years and bluster her way through the contradictions - it won't be easy for her. I'm wondering if Gordon Brown has offered her a ministerial job at Westminster to persuade her all this hassle will be worth it. A replacement for David Cairns, perhaps? (Not before time...)
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Deeside,

Scotland 06/07/2008 02:06:15
#46

Isn't that better known as a BOGOF deal :)
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Muzorewi's Daighter,

06/07/2008 02:08:56
Would anyone like to see Maggy Curran in action? Yes I hear you cry. Well here you go:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FHbGCR6lutY

Except you obviously, Fifi. No doubt you need to get along to John Lewis' first thing the morn to grab what you can, while you can. I hear those plasma tellies are a barg.
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Willie Macleod,

Wick 06/07/2008 02:14:02
#47 Fifi la Bonbon Good posts Strange how some people will believe and uphold what some journalists say and yet condemn them if it does not fit in with their particular viewpoint.

Keep posting
Willie
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FrancesP,

06/07/2008 02:18:26
51. Willie - "Strange how some people will believe and uphold what some journalists say and yet condemn them if it does not fit in with their particular viewpoint."

I think Labour's hysterical attack on journalists at BBC Scotland proves that very point.
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Canada,

Dalmarnock 06/07/2008 02:56:05
Funny! After years of neglect by labour suddnely the East End becomes so impotrant.
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Dougie Douglas,

Brisbane 06/07/2008 03:01:59
#47 FrancesP - well said.

They have no talent left.

The habitual voting for labour in deprived areas can historically be explained by the inhabitants being fed propoganda by the media and swallowing it unthinkingly (and in good faith).

In this more enlightened age how many more decades will it take for these people to work out the obvious - the labour Party are in it for themselves.

Frankly, if you vote for Labour you are voting for the status quo - wallowing in glorious poverty.

The three charectaristics of a labour stronghold are:-

Well below average income and large pockets of extreme poverty

Well below average life expectancy

Well below average workplace particapation

What do Labour do to change these demographic and economic disgraces? - hee haw.
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An Beal Bacht,

06/07/2008 03:07:55
Maggie Curran is a great choice. Bring it on.
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Traquir , Alba,

06/07/2008 03:47:19
Now their are 500,000 new reasons why Glasgow East
should not vote Labour again.

From the Mail On Sunday we have a story on
the recently resigned for "ill health" Glasgow
East MP David Marshall. Interesting it is
not a top head line in the leading Scottish
newspapers :)

"Labour MP spent £500,000 of taxpayers' money running office from home staffed by wife"

"But Mr Marshall's office was in his semi-detached Glasgow home and he employed his wife Tina as his secretary"

"Party sources said he felt 'under pressure' over the expenses allegations. "

Yep - it is called guilt. Let's have Margaret Curran
start her campaign by critizing this parastic
behaviour in the strongest terms.

see - tinyurl.com/6j7m48

Whilst Labour has spent 50 years turning
areas of Scotland into abject poverty and
life spans less that war zones like the Gaza Strip,
the Labour comrades have fed fully from the
trough like pigs. Recently they had a chance to redeem
themselves and cutoff some of one their obscene
troughs, but no instead they vote against
a crackdown on their controversial London expenses
so their John Lewis trough remains open.
~45% of Scottish Labour MPS voted to keep the trough,
0% of SNP MPs voted to keep it.

see - tinyurl.com/5eaofu

Sleaze and corruption are endemic in the Labour party
especially in Scotland after decades in power.
They need to be wiped off the face of the Scottish
political landscape for what they have done and
are still doing to Scotland. Perhaps like David
Marshall some more of them will start
feeling the guilt and shame- but I doubt it.
They simply need to be kicked out and Glasgow
East will be a good start.

Saor Alba
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Neil Waugh,

Old Strathcona 06/07/2008 03:48:16
#50

I watched your You Tube vid.
What a friggin' witch. Kinda reminds you of everyone's ex-wife. This evil little mud flap surely isn't going to get elected again. Jimmy would have to be on double figure Tennants to make a mistake like that.
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Willie Macleod,

Wick 06/07/2008 03:52:13
On these threads in the last few days some nationalists have called the people of Glasgow East depraved, ignorant, wasters and junkies

And then patronize them as humourous and heartwarming

Please vote for us in the By Election we will take you away from all of this .

Who is exploiting the people of Glasgow East
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Willie Macleod,

Wick 06/07/2008 04:07:38
#Cont from 59 Never in the history of elections and By- Elections have the people of a Constituency been treated with such disrespect. By the media in general and online posters.

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FrancesP,

06/07/2008 04:29:13
#59/61. I haven't noticed anyone actually using the words 'depraved', 'ignorant', 'wasters' or 'junkies', so I'll have to take your word for it (possibly a mistake). But I do get the feeling both you and Labour are trying to have your cake and eat it here - anyone who points out the deep-seated problems the consituency faces is being 'insulting', while anyone who praises the constituency in any way is being 'patronising'.

However, I'm happy to agree with your general point that online posters should use respectful language. Labour have treated Glasgow East with enough disrespect all these years, there's no call for anyone else to join in.
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somerferg,

perth 06/07/2008 04:32:25

If you have ever wanted to see nasty politics - just watch NUmpty Labour over the next few weeks. They will plumb new depths to convince the good people of the east end of Glasgow that the last 50 years of mismanagement of their city and the whole of Scotland was actually the best times of their lives and that they should sign up for more of the same. Just think about east end people - more unemployment, more deprivation, worse health, less safe streets, poorer housing stock oh and don't forget any crumbs from the master's table will have to be personally approved by london. Yes it really is a no brainer!
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Guga II,

Rockall 06/07/2008 05:25:25
#57 Traquir.

I really wish you would stop insulting pigs.
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Guga II,

Rockall 06/07/2008 05:28:27
#1 Al.

Very interesting story about Councillor Ryan and the other Glasgow councillors. However, this is the sort of behaviour we have come to expect from the Labour Mafia and their brown envelope brigade.

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Willie Macleod,

Wick 06/07/2008 05:31:04
#62 Francesp I said "some" Nationalists.

Most on here discuss and debate with respect and decency,

Check out Neil Waugh at #53 0348 Saturdays Scotsman the Gordon Brown goes for broke thread
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terry osser,

morden 06/07/2008 05:49:43
no. 57 why does your mob keep voting labor? labor has always been the party of poverty--read the history of their times in power where most people--but not mps--end up worse off both financially and socially
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Damy Ruby,

Edinburgh 06/07/2008 06:20:58
If the media is correct and Gordon Brown would have to resign if Labour loses then the people of the East End of Glasgow have a huge responsibility to whole of Great Britain. By not voting Labour and by ridding us of this tyrant and his pocket lining cronies like Balls and wife, his incompetents like Darling and Smith, they just might be saving the UK at this crucial time. Never in the field of by election voting has so much opportunity be given to so few. Please, please Glasgow East End vote to kill Brown when you and only you get he chance
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Glesga Jambo,

Glasgow 06/07/2008 06:26:14
Labour strategists have worked a blinder here. My vote was going against them but now they have given me an opportunity to send Curran to London for 3 years, well they have me in a spin now.
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Damy Ruby,

M8 Motorway heading west 06/07/2008 06:43:07
Thank you number 50, all have a look at this site.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FHbGCR6lutY

The woman's an out right thug! Takes me back to labour of the sixties and seventies!!

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Robbie 2,

New Zealand 06/07/2008 07:25:27

#57 Traquir , Alba, 06/07/2008 03:47:19
“ From the Mail On Sunday we have a story on the recently resigned for "ill health" Glasgow
This is what causes ‘health problems’
"Labour MP (David Marshall) spent £500,000 of taxpayers' money running office from home staffed by wife"
http://www.mailonsunday.co.uk/news/article-1032385/Labour-MP-spent-500-000-taxpayers-money-running-office-home-staffed-wife.html
As you say, Traquir, “not a top head line in the leading Scottish newspapers..” Was it mentioned in ANY Scottish paper or TV news??? Perhaps it should be passed on or copies of the Mail given out in Glasgow East.
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steve 1511,

aberdeen 06/07/2008 07:39:30
margaret curran,she will terrify bairns when she looks in their prams,broon is afraid to visit the east end,the nominated candidate runs away,wee wendy runs away,a pattern is emerging of running away
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Linda,

Edinburgh 06/07/2008 07:41:37
My friend in Labour Party says Margaret Curren was fingered for leaking Wendy's expenses to Sunday Herald and her career at Holyrood finished.

Also that Lord John Reid of Parkhead is being lined up to take over her MSP job so that he can lead Labour against Alex Salmond.
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Pocket Dictionary,

06/07/2008 07:42:02
Sounds like the death knell for any MP/MSP's career riding on the coat tails of Gordon Brown in this political climate.

When Labour re-group after losing the next elections (British and Scottish, there'll be no place for those who supported Brown.
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roughrider,

glasgow 06/07/2008 07:50:31

Magrat Curran rides to the rescue.

http://tinyurl.com/5f4uhr

lol.
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elizabeth the first ,

06/07/2008 07:51:15
I see the dirty tricks brigade are out in force again! Margaret Curren will wipe the floor with the SNP,one white-washed snp candidate coming up.
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pehman,

sussex 06/07/2008 07:53:45

I look forward with great interest to Margaret Currans first press conference, Q Ms Curran what have you to say about the allogations of corruption in the Glasgow city labour party ?

A, it's they effing Snp B'STARDSthat ir daeing this
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Dougie Douglas,

Brisbane 06/07/2008 07:54:48
#77

Please explain
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Ninian Reid,

Edinburgh 06/07/2008 07:55:20
The greater Labour's profile in the Glasgow East by-election, the sweeter the SNP's eventual victory on July the 24th. What better form of referendum could there be? The writing's clearly on the wall for the London government, and the headless chickens who run its Scottish branch office.
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pehman,

sussex 06/07/2008 07:58:22

The BBC bias theory will be tested in this by-election too

We'll see which candidate gets interviewed by Kirsty wark and who gets paxman/ Humphrey's
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Pocket Dictionary,

06/07/2008 08:02:21
First off, I'm a floating voter with no adherence to any political party.

I would like to clarify one point about the reaction to the SNP's commissioned report on the early release of prisoners. The recommendations come from an ex-Labour MP, who is also an ex- Labour MSP and former Labour First Minister of Scotland - Henry McLeish.

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roughrider,

Glasgow 06/07/2008 08:03:56
77 betty the first.
You are havin a laugh, right.
ha,ha,ha,ha,ha.
Thats all about Curran is capable of, wiping floors with her broom.
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Mr. Lachie Todd,

Edinburgh 06/07/2008 08:08:46
Can things possibly get any worse for the Layabout Party?

Could one of the safest Labour seats in the U.K. be about to fall to the Nationalists?

It seems highly improbable, however IF the formidable Margaret Curran somehow fails to retain Glasgow East and it is won by a massive swing to the Nationalists, not only will it be a major setback for the Labour Party in Scotland but it could well signal the end of Scottish Devolved Government, and a return to centralised rule from Westminster?

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LEAL,

06/07/2008 08:10:31
74 Linda

Labour have said Curran will not resign her Holyrood seat until the next election,so that would appear to rule out any move by John Reid.I dont really think he will want to be involved with Labours sinking ship any longer.Labour could only get a candidate by offering it to someone with nothing to lose by standing.Except face.And she is hard enough faced to cope with that.
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Richard Taylor,

Aberdeen 06/07/2008 08:10:52
Battered Brown? Is this an admission from the Hootsmon?

Previously you'd never have known Labour was in trouble if you read their "stories".

I say again - people of east Glasgow just look around you if you want to see what Labour & unionism has done for you.
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Jimmy the Pie,

06/07/2008 08:17:27
I wonder if the 200 members of the New Labour Sleaze and Corruption in Glasgow East fully realise that when their beloved party goes bankrupt(which won't be long!), they will be held, individually, financially accountable for all debts.

As the Sleaze Party will have no assets, then the members will have to share the burden. All your possessions sold at auction!!!

Of course you could always ask David Marshall (ex mP) for a sub. He seems to have done very well from being an MP.

All union members should opt out of the political levy right away, and cut as much of New Labour Sleaze income as possible.

I'll have financial details of some MP's expense claims this week.

You'll all be the first to know!! ;-)
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elizabeth the first ,

06/07/2008 08:25:21
79. What would you like me to explain?
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Jim P,

06/07/2008 08:26:18
#10 Fifi la Bonbon,06/07/2008 00:30:30

" the appaling levels of poverty and ill health faced by many residents"

...the result of decades of Labour inaction, Fifi? Why will Curran be any different than Marshall?
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Jim P,

06/07/2008 08:27:36
# elizabeth the first ,06/07/2008 07:51:15

Troll alert!
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elizabeth the first ,

06/07/2008 08:32:36
90. Did it ever occur to you, that these poor poverty struck individuals are given all the support they need,but choose to waste there dole,income support etc, on booze and fags.
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Richard Taylor,

Aberdeen 06/07/2008 08:39:03
I am sure the people in east Glasgow realise that, by voting Labour, they are voting for a bankrupt party devoid of ideas & ideals, a party that are losing their grip on power anyway. Ask yourself, are Labour REALLY going to win the next General Election?

NOT A CHANCE.
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JennieG ,

Glasgow 06/07/2008 08:39:49
So Margaret Curran would rather be a wee cog in Westminster than Labour Leader in Scotland! Says a lot about Labour's attitude to Scotland.
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elizabeth the first ,

06/07/2008 08:41:28
JIM P. You forgot to mention this--800 jobs to regenerate Glasgow's East End
by Gordon Thomson

© Evening Times
Originally published: 14.11.2007

More than 800 jobs could be relocated to kickstart regeneration in the east end of Glasgow.

Job creators and council chiefs are set to spearhead an ambitious drive to bring economic prosperity to one of the city's most deprived areas.
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elizabeth the first ,

06/07/2008 08:44:18
96. What are you trying to insinuate.
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Jimmy the Pie,

06/07/2008 08:44:43
So David Marshall is suffering from 'clinical depression'??

Was that because he was found out???
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Jimmy the Pie,

06/07/2008 08:46:59
One thing I don't understand is why the police don't charge these fraudsters.
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Citylocal Fife,

Fife News 06/07/2008 08:58:05
I'm rather worried now. After the imminent defeat in Glasgow on July 24th, there is a real danger of a sacked Gordon Brown coming back to Fife looking for a cushy number. The Fife economy is now doing quite well, and the last thing we need is this abject failure of a Prime Minister to return and spoil things.
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Calum10,

06/07/2008 09:05:54
Margaret Curran is Labour's 5th choice.

George Ryan didn't turn up, Glasgow leader Stephen Purcell, local MSP Frank McAveety and ex party general secretary Lesley Quinn all refused the offer.

It seems Margaret Curran also has some dark secrets. She is widely touted as being the 'mole' that shopped Wendy Alexander over her dodgy donations, and she has openly briefed against her own party colleagues.
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connaughtboy,

stonehaven 06/07/2008 09:22:33
In the very unlikely event that the harridan Curran wins this election, will we hear the Labour unionists calling her "two jobs Magz"?
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Mikey,

06/07/2008 09:52:18
This looks to me like a rat JOINING a sinking ship!

C'mon all you Labour neanderthals. Tell us how many seats you're gonna win at the next Westmonster elections!
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For Scotlands Future,

Vote for the SNP 06/07/2008 09:53:19
Same election tactic was used by Labour prior to May 2007. Didn't work then, is even more ludicrous now.
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Publius,

Girvan 06/07/2008 09:58:29
If Margaret Curran is the answer, Labour is asking the wrong question. A lecturer in community work, then MSP. She has never done a proper job in her life. Like the SNP candidate she knows how to help people claim benefits and spend taxpayers' money. What Glasgow East needs as an MP is someone who has done a real job that creates wealth and who can inspire people to get real jobs.
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MisterN,

Scotland 06/07/2008 10:11:50
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And who would that be then? Maggie Thatcher? David Cameron? Ted Heath? John Major? how do you think any of these candidates would fair in Glasgow East?
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MisterN,

Scotland 06/07/2008 10:16:00
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They cant afford booze and fags on the benefit money they are paid. People only get unemployment benefit because they have contributed to the treasury with their NI and are only getting the money back they themselves contributed. Then of course there is invalidity benefit no doubt a little nazi like you would like to see those too disabled to work given no help at all?
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Richardinho,

06/07/2008 10:27:26
Whilst Labour has clearly failed communities like Glasgow east, it would be interesting if the other parties would explain how they are going to improve things in the area.
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MisterN,

Scotland 06/07/2008 10:31:03
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Well the SNP has made it clear as crystal they are going to fight for Indepedence get control of all of Scotland finances and spend it all in Scotland rather than abroad. Didnt you know that?
Now what is the Tory and Lib Dem plan?
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brownlie,

06/07/2008 10:33:13
109 Publius

Do you mean somebody like Tom Farmer?
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PC McGarry#452,

999 Letsby Avenue 06/07/2008 10:34:05
Alberto Y Lost Trios Paranoias

I remember them. Sure I have a couple of their singles lying about in the loft.
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Stuntman Mike,

06/07/2008 10:36:48
Surely the way to spin this story is that Labour have now introduced a big hitter of proven quality into the fray and that Ryan withdrew early on, so the Nats are pretty desperately trying to make what they can of his departure.

I don't vote Labour myself, but I would urge the voters of Glasgow East to back their candidate. The Nats are, in my opinion, pernicious opportuntists who will promise anything as part of their "gradualist" approach to making their separation agenda appear palatable. I was even talking to a friend (who only arrived in this country a few years ago), but is of the unfortunate impression that nationalism is mainstream. Don't you worry, she's no longer under that misapprehension, SNP minority government or not.
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Publius,

06/07/2008 10:39:26
#116 brownlie

Yep. Tom Farmer would be excellent, whatever party he stood for. His candidature would change the terms of debate from expenditure to wealth creation and real jobs.
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Jim P,

06/07/2008 10:42:10
#97 elizabeth the first ,06/07/2008 08

"More than 800 jobs could be relocated to kickstart regeneration in the east end of Glasgow.

Job creators and council chiefs are set to spearhead blah, blah, blah..."

Live old horse and ye'll hae corn tae eat!

I lived in Old Shettleston Road, it was the same then as it is now. Labour has offered no solutions. Time for a change.
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Publius,

Girvan 06/07/2008 10:44:19
#110 Alberto Y Lost Trios Paranoias

Thanks for the offer, but I'm too old!
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Publius,

Girvan 06/07/2008 10:51:59
#94 elizabeth the first

People's choices are shaped by their environment, their family and friends. Many people in Glasgow East do waste money on 'booze and fags'. And they live in benefits and dependency culture. It is silly (perhaps wicked) to condemn their intellectual poverty. They need to be got into real private sector jobs and learn the importance of holding them down and self-reliance. An MP who would be a role model for this - not a benefits broker, teacher, trade unionist etc - would help.
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brownlie,

06/07/2008 10:52:30
97 Elizabeth

Off topic but when did you move from Bearsden to Killearn?

And is there honey still for tea?
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lulach mac gille coemgain,

06/07/2008 11:01:46
Fingers crossed: Margaret curran will stand for Labour in a Glasgow-by-election that Prime Minister Gordon Brown cannot afford to lose

Un baised statement from the Scotsman then ?

Wait til ya hear the improprieties about to be revealled this week tho’ mwah ha ha ha ha !
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b.allan,

alba 06/07/2008 11:09:35
Marshalls expenses? Why is the Scottish media letting this slip by so quietly? i'll bet he's depressed now he's been caught out and so he should be!

A question for the labour party and the Scottish media:Do you really think you can continue to treat the Scottish public as morons?
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Publius,

Girvan 06/07/2008 11:12:29
#123 Ayrshire­ Scot™

Alex's dual or triple mandate does show that being an MP or MSP is not a full time job. He combines both of them with being first minister. Many MPs and MSPs think it is a full time job. It isn't. They should get one. They would be a better MP/MSP for having one.
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b.allan,

alba 06/07/2008 11:13:38
margaret Curran is very scary looking - do not let her kiss the bairns of Glasgow EAST, she will give them nightmares.

She also appears to be a very venomous and nasty debater -as LIEbour party are now clinging on for dear life i suspect we can expect this one to get really nasty.
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06/07/2008 11:15:01
125. We are visiting friends in the area,next stop Loch Lomond.
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beckypumps1,

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When your offspring are involved in fraud is it down to nature or nurture? Also will the MP that is stepping down be investigated for fraud once he recovers from his depression?
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elizabeth the first ,

06/07/2008 11:18:21
124. You could send the pope himself to this area,but to no avail,these people are set in their ways.
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Stuntman Mike,

06/07/2008 11:19:33
#131 Ayrshire: good point, but the context is slightly different in that Salmond was standing for a full term in the SP whereas Curran is joining Westminster with only about 2 years to go. I know I'm dancing on a pinhead here and that the principle's the same, as I can just read you posting already!
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Publius,

Girvan 06/07/2008 11:22:18
#111 MisterN

Just seen your #111. None of your names would fit Glasgow East. As you crudely put it on another board English in Scotland are seen as 'white settlers'. But all except Cameron have one virtue. They all achieved something outside politics. Thathcer was a research chemist than a barrister. Health was a soldier in wartime, a champion yachtsman and an organist. Major was a banker. Regrettably Cameron is just a PR man, turned politician.
Glasgow East would be much better served by someone who has achieved something outside politics than by a professional politician.
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Stuntman Mike,

06/07/2008 11:27:43
#137 Ayrshire: granted that Salmond was upfront with the electorate.
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MisterN,

Scotland 06/07/2008 11:39:32
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A research Chemist? and that qualified her to run the country into the ground did it?

Health was a soldier in wartime, a champion yachtsman and an organist.

And that qualified him to run the country into the ground did it?

Major was a banker. Regrettably Cameron is just a PR man, turned politician.

And this qualifies them to run the country into the ground does it?
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Publius,

Girvan 06/07/2008 11:41:03
131 Ayrshire­ Scot™

You ask whether Labour have changed their minds about people being both MP and MSP. Minds have nothing to do with it. Labour is now beyond thought or reason.

Only remaining questions are (1) whether will hang on to Glasgow East and (2) what will happen if they don't.
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Publius,

Girvan 06/07/2008 11:43:19
140 MisterN

With Labour we have full time professional politicians. The results are all around us. Not even you would dare to defend Brown, UK Labour or Scottish Labour.
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Richardinho,

06/07/2008 11:55:44
The only solution I can see to the problems in Glasgow East is to educate people to have the skills they need to survive and thrive in today's world. The government needs to get together with businesses and work out what skills are needed, and the government, with local authorities need to create educational courses in schools accordingly.

There also needs to be some security brought back to these areas. We need to introduce much harsher penaltys for crimes theft, assault, burglary etc so that the hard core offenders are taking off the streets long term.

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MisterN,

Scotland 06/07/2008 11:56:42
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Neither would I defend "full time professional politicians" what I am concerned about is your blantent bias spin on only applying this critisism in the direction of the SNP.
You have noticably left out any critisism of the Tory candidate and his "credentials" which is why I used tory politicians in my examples.
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Publius,

Girvan 06/07/2008 12:03:39
#146 MisterN

I have criticised Labour at least much as the SNP. I'd have a go at the Tory too but for the fact that I don't know anything about her and she's not going to win anyway. She'll be doing well if she saves her deposit.
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MisterN,

Scotland 06/07/2008 12:09:34
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And obviously nothing at all to do with the fact that you yourself are a tory?
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Publius,

Girvan 06/07/2008 12:11:32
Psephological point

Anyone know whether sectarianism may influence the result in Glasgow East? It may matter because to date Catholics have not voted SNP to the same extent as non-Catholics. Candidates' religion may play a part too. Any thoughts here?

I genuinely don't know the answers to these questions, but I'd sure like to.
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Publius,

Girvan 06/07/2008 12:14:21
#149 MisterN

Looked up the Tory on the net. Took a degree in medicinal chemistry - promsing. Now works in PR at a University - terrible let down, waste of education. Nope. I don't reckon anything to her either.
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U. Lukenatmepal?,

06/07/2008 12:17:02
147 et al. Actually doesn't she look like the psychiatrist in The Sopranos - the one Tony Soprano consults and ends up fantasising over. Gangster's moll for MP, anyone?
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MisterN,

Scotland 06/07/2008 12:18:03
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The Orange lodge are unionists full stop. There entire organisation is based founded and built on the union of Parliaments and the ancient conflicts of the catholic monarchy versus protestant monarchy.
They recently held a march in Edinburgh attended by approx 10000 marchers from all over Scotland in support of the union before the last election so I would say they have a significant influence in the area. Support of Rangers FC is significantly based on this bullsh*t.
I believe also that Labours support is maintained certainly in the West of Scotland based on this organisation and its influence.
It certainly cant be based on Labours policies nor deeds within this area of the UK.
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JohnBowes,

06/07/2008 12:29:23
I have honestly NOT read the above story. I don't need to.

Let me be simple. What does New Middle Class Labour stand for? Yes, middle class greed and cronyism and nepotism.

Socialism is just a word to them. How much did the Holyrood Labour Party give to middle class teachers and Doctors?

How many of them at Holyrood are REAL working class people. Do they even know what working class means? A teacher is NOT working class. They are MIDDLE class like Donald Poodle - Wendy Alexander.

I honest think people like Keir Hardie would be vomiting with rage thinking about these types. Cheese and wine night "socialists". The Kilmalcolm proletariat.
I feel so so sorry for poor people as per those in the East End of Glasgow. WHY do they vote Labour? WHAT could has it done them? WHAT good their children and grand children?

As for Margaret Curran, is she standing for Westminster to get free luxury goods from John Lewis stores? Will she be sending some to her relatives (after they are delivered to her second home, of course)?

I honestly hope that people in the east end vote this load of middle class trash out. Yes, Curran and so on will tell them how much they care for the poor. Aye, open your eyes and look and see. They care about luxury goods and second homes for themselves. And award pay rises to the likes of teachers - how many of them ARE teachers and how many have teachers as relatives?
I feel like weeping thinking about such manure. Think of how many very poor weans there are in Scotland and you will realize why.

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JohnBowes,

06/07/2008 12:30:58
Yes, Margaret, we all know you want John Lewis goods for free. AND we all know your seat was to be merged. And thus you may have lost the seat (gravy train). It really is that simple.
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MisterN,

Scotland 06/07/2008 12:32:00
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Well it seems Glasgow East is going to get the sh*t end of the stick no matter who wins according to you.
Why have an election at all?
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Richard Taylor,

Aberdeen 06/07/2008 12:33:40
"Fingers crossed" - no Mags, no amount of crossing will save Labour in the long run (now not so long) regardless of whether you win this by-election or not.

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JohnBowes,

06/07/2008 12:34:06
Labour are to close Paddy's market. AND what do they propose in its place? They literally propose a YUPPY type market with luxury goods/foods. Labour? These people are dung. They spit on the faces of Glasgow's poor children and families.

Brown envelopes?
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JohnBowes,

06/07/2008 12:34:59
Yes indeed. They have PLAYED the RELIGIOUS card. Do you know what I mean Margaret? Vomit inducing stuff.
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Derick fae Yell,

The Hoose 06/07/2008 12:43:07
my gut feeling is that Labour will hang on to the East End by the skin of their teeth. Which may mean that Gordon will survive. Which would ensure that the Tories will win the next Westminster General Election.

On the other hand they so very much deserve to lose - 50 years of power in Glasgow and look what they've doen to the place.
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Publius,

Girvan 06/07/2008 12:56:08
#155 Ayrshire­ Scot™. Bad post.

#154 MisterN. Good post.

For well over a 100 years religion has shaped people's votes in west Scotland. Catholics have been very strongly Labour because their ancestors migrated from Ireland when Irish Home Rule was the biggest question in British Politics. The Labour Party, founded 1900, was pro-Home Rule from the very start.
Conversely protestant organisations - the Orange Lodge, Boys Brigade - were strongly unionist. Their members supported unionist parties.
Obviously these feelings are not as strong today as they were a generation or more ago, but they still influence the votes of some people. Hence the SNP has never done as well in the west as the east.
The point of my original post was that if there are still pockets of voters in Glasgow East with traditional sectarian loyalties, the SNP may not win the seat.
That's all there is to it.
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Huntly loon,

Aberdeenshire 06/07/2008 12:58:31
Some comments have been made concerning Alex Salmond's role as MP for Banff & Buchan and MSP for Gordon. As with Margaret Curran as MSP for Baillieston and as a candidate for GLasgow East the respective constituencies at Westminster and Holyrood overlap. That is not the problem or difficulty. When Salmond was elected in Banff & Buchan in 2005 his electors already knew his intention to stand as party leader in the Holyrood elections of 2007 and still elected him, knowing he would see out his MP role until the next General Election. We in Gordon knew that to be the situation when we elected him as our MSP.

This was not the position of Margaret Curran whose electorate in Baillieston were not aware of her future intentions.

Finally, the Westminster Parliament hardly needs SNP MPs to swing votes and the bulk of that Parliament's work concerns purely English legislation which does not much concern the SNP or their supporters. When Salmond has considered his attendance at Westminster useful he has gone there. Banff & Buchan costituents' affairs and concerns are still dealt with through his constituency office whether he is physically at Westminster or not.

That is the SNP's stance and their attitude to Westminster. I assume that will not be the attitude of Labour and Margaret Curran. Most of her constituent's concerns are dealt with at Holyrood where Labour needs every member's attendance in a tight parliament. So do Labour in Scotland now regard Westminster as largely irrelevant to Scotland and not requiring of full time attendance? If so, Ms Curran needs to make clear when both Holyrood and Westminster sit, which one will have her priority and first claim on her attendance. We know Salmond's position. I'm sure the electorate of Glasgow East would like to know Margaret Curran's position.
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MisterN,

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That has always been a possibility nobody is claiming its going to be a slam dunk for the SNP but they will never have a better chance of getting into Labour heartlands than they have now irrespective of sectarian divides. Labour have been so awful lately that even that consideration may not be enough to save them. Then again maybe that is the only thing that will save them.
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brownlie,

06/07/2008 13:18:56
The Spook

After your Frankie Howerd impersonations yesterday evening are you wearing your pink sombrero today??

Life is so interesting in the East End of both cities now? I hope we don't have to "labour" to get a win today.
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Richardinho,

06/07/2008 13:27:48
I don't agree with those that say 'nuLabour isn't socialist anymore'.
I think it IS. The very nature of socialism is the idea of a centralized elite, unelected (or unopposed), which runs people's lives for them, rather than letting them run then themselves.
In fact socialism has much in common with feudalism.
the end result is a dependency culture, such as we see in Glasgow.
The Labour party is dominated by privately educated middle class types who profess to support the poor, but in actual fact despise them and feel threatened by them.
A well educated working class would provide increased competition to the middle classes in the various professions that they are employed. Securing that place at a prestigious university for their child might suddenly become twice as difficult.
Better to keep the working classes in a state of perpetual dependency than that they should in any way offer any competition!
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Pocket Dictionary,

06/07/2008 13:34:05
Gordon Brown wants sanctions against Robert Mugabe for fixing the result of the Zimbabwean Presidential election. Maybe Mugabe should call for sanctions against Brown & the UK - what's the point of having three candidates up for selection for this by-election, when we already know the outcome?
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jacquesmac,

In limbo 06/07/2008 13:36:38
I really am sorry but this week-end has been a damp squib politics wise.
Where is McWhirter when we need him?
Working hard on another dam buster story I hope.
Previously we have had
1. Wendy resigns
2. Glasgow East MP resigns because of stress
3. Glasgow East MP under investigation for fiddling his expenses, £200,000 and do I hear higher, yes £500,000!
This week-end we have heard no revelations or announcements of seismic proportions.
I know that Slab have not yet got a candidate in place for Glasgow East although it appears that Margaret Curran has grabbed the poisoned chalice. By my mental arithmetic that make her the ninth (maybe more out there) choice
Ryan
Doug Maughan----The pilot from Stirling
Irene Graham aka A N Other and token wumman
McAveety
Purcell
Ian Grey?
Andy Kerr?
That monkey with the red coat and rosette who was rescued by Animal Liberation (thanks anon for that one)
Jeepers, I had a call this morning at 5am from someone who said they he had Gordon on the line for me; I hung up. So it could be that she is really tenth choice.
Why would a Turkey vote for Xmas? Maybe it is because they are so up their own derrieres that they cannot see the forest for the trees. Super egos, super blind.
So, no real dam buster this week-end? Ironic isn’t it that 1 Labour MP upto his oxters in fraud for £500,000 is just what we expect for this shower of criminal class.

Purcell on the other hand, aside from the Paddy’s Market problem, which will be glossed over when it is timely, maybe has some political nous. My take on his non participation is he realises NuLab are humped and he is biding his time until after the referendum in 2010 and possibly after the 2011 separation to emerge as the new leader of an independent Scottish Labour Party with most of the wide boys and spivs pensioned off or in the BarL.
The big bangs are coming.
What we have now is the SS Titanic NuLab holed fatally below the waterline. We heard the cruch of it hitting the iceb
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jkr,

Lochwinnoch Greater Glasgow 06/07/2008 13:38:22
This constituency is widely reported as the most deprived and rundown area of Scotland. What a fine record for the retired Labour MP!!
And what does it say for the likely contender Margaret Curran who is currently MSP for part of the constituency? Not a lot. Perhaps the days of voting Labour in this by-election because 'we've always been Labour' might be over this time and Labour will get what it deserves--- a right good drubbing on 24 July.
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Nikostratos,

06/07/2008 13:39:17
#168 Huntly loon

A translation of your snp self serving post.......snp fiddling expenses etc OK ..........any other party fiddling expenses etc is bad very very bad

#181

http://scottishreferendum2008.blogspot.com
646 votes after 5 weeks of posting not a lot is it seems like the heralds got it right.

snp Independence support flatlining............
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jacquesmac,

Nowhere 06/07/2008 13:40:10
Seems Ms Curran was the 10th, so far, as I forgot Ms Quinn
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LEAL,

06/07/2008 13:40:26
177 McMadman

Is there an official investigation underway into David Marshall,or is his behaviour within Westminster rules?
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Pocket Dictionary,

06/07/2008 13:40:28
#184 Three people were supposed to be going forward in the selection process to stand for Labour in this by election. What's the point of going through with a selection process, when it appears the candidate has already been selected by others outwith the local party.
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Conan the Librarian™,

06/07/2008 13:43:10
Here's the winner.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/jersey/content/images/2005/01/13/crapaud_rosette_lead_203x152.jpg
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jacquesmac,

In a vacuum 06/07/2008 13:43:13
Sorry too many words in post 185

The rest
What we have now is the SS Titanic NuLab holed fatally below the waterline. We heard the cruch of it hitting the iceberg, not once but several times.
What we are hearing now are the inevitable and progressive sounds of the plates bucking and the rivets popping along with sight of the engine staff donning their lifebelts before the Captain, who is off visiting other ships in the fleet, tells everyone that the ship has in fact hot a sub-sea object and could be taking some water.
As someone once said, you couldn’t make this up!
I reckon there will be a few more dam buster level implosions in the next two weeks.
Whatever happened to that once proud party of Hardie, Maxton etc? Infiltrated and now controlled by a class of criminal who more resemble Al Capone’s Mafia than the Old Labour movement.
We live in interesting times?
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TimeTraveller,

Carlisle 06/07/2008 13:45:12
Nice to hear Ms Curran is committed to the communities of East Glasgow or perhaps is it to herself, its funny to hear that her gallant decision to rescue her Party from the depths of its embarrassment of being unable to find a candidate for one of its safest seats in Great Britain just happens to coincide with probable Boundary changes for Holyrood Constituencies that might leave her jobless in 2011, great girl that Margaret she would help anyone out!
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brownlie,

06/07/2008 13:46:36
181 McMad

Yes

See you all - Elizabeth 1st do keep it warm for me!
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TimeTraveller,

Carlisle 06/07/2008 13:48:49
What do people think of this, should Conservative voters in Glasgow East help the SNP out or should they stick to their principles, vote for the Tory candidate, thus aiding a Labour victory and ensure Brown can go limping and bumbling onto 2010 and hopeful heavy defeat?
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b.allan,

alba 06/07/2008 13:51:39
And when will Broon be in Glasgow East kissing babies? He's keeping a bit of a low profile is he no? hahahahha LIEbour in meltdown! ...IT'S TIME!
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jacquesmac,

Lectoure 06/07/2008 13:51:58
£500,000 in 7 years seems to me to be worthy of jail time but I will not be holding my breath. Lots more of the same out there I bet including Gorbals Mick?

However on a lighter note if MR Marshall ends up in the BarL there would be a soupcon of irony here as I believe it is in his own constituency?

At least his secretarial staff will not have long to travel to take his instructions and dictation.
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Nikostratos,

06/07/2008 13:58:07
snp Independence support flatlining.............................................................................


201 spook


http://www.cartoonstock.com/newscartoons/cartoonists/cgo/lowres/cgon88l.jpg

or after the game

http://www.channel4.com/4laughs/media/images/scripts/2006/october/061009_week41/joke_comp_doctors_wk42_131006_359x256.jpg
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Nikostratos,

06/07/2008 14:05:57

I AGREE that the Scottish Government should negotiate a settlement with the Government of the United Kingdom so that Scotland bec votes 646 (86%)

646 votes ha ha ha is that all ha ha ha


you know wot i think the other nats don't like u McMadman
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Arthur G,

Glasgow 06/07/2008 14:16:55
MisterN #112

"... no doubt a little nazi like you would like to see those too disabled to work given no help at all?"

Ah, when all else fails, introduce the 'Nazi' analogy!

A perfect example, here, of Goodwin's Law:
"As an Internet discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches one.""

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_Law
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elizabeth the first ,

06/07/2008 14:30:23
144. You seem to be a little slow,so i'll say this one last time. I AM NOT KIMBA; hope your wee brain can comprehend.
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Huntly loon,

Aberdeenshire 06/07/2008 14:32:41
#188 nikostratos
I am completely puzzled by your irrelevant response to my earlier post. I condemn fiddling of expenses by all parties if they occur. I'm not aware that SNP members have ever been reprimanded for fiddling. Enlighten us all.

My post merely asked what would be Margaret Curran's priority if elected. Sitting in Holyrood or in Westminster? We already know Salmond's priority is at Holyrood.
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elizabeth the first ,

06/07/2008 14:46:58
206. You are an uneducated bigot,with a mouth like a sewer,if Mr Brown had to meet the likes of you,he does well to stay away.
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Nit-Nat,

06/07/2008 14:55:26
Safe seats are normally gold dust for politicians. In fact sometimes they get safe as a reward for kissing their bosses ring.

Strange days that no-one wants to touch this with a barge poll. The seats they have are obvious safer than one that they can supposedly keep for 30 years.

One in the hand is worth two in the bush as they say, Labour are obviously nervous.
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Matt there,

somewhere 06/07/2008 15:04:22
There will be a massive swing against Labour in Glasgow East.

Many traditional Labour voters wont vote -they'll stay at home, unwilling to vote Labour, unable to vote for anyone else.

If the Labour majority plunges to 1,000-3,000 votes, watch Labour seize on this as a victory for them!

Headline: "Labour claim electoral meltdown as victory."
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elizabeth the first ,

06/07/2008 15:28:19
216/217. Think you are making this "kimba" character up! look,i am a unionist as are many, but,by all that is holy to me i swear I AM NOT KIMBA.
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jacquesmac,

Lectoure 06/07/2008 15:33:09
#217 re faces


talking of Jackie Baillie, don't you just love that Halloween face
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jacquesmac,

Lectoure 06/07/2008 15:35:37
#220

If you are not the legendary LEGSA, who are you Lizzie the wan?
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Nikostratos,

06/07/2008 15:35:58
#219 McMadman


"personal slag fest" then eh?

How can a self selecting sample be considered representative of anything?

apart from (some)snp supporters with PCs and unlimited time on their hands.


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jacquesmac,

in a vacuum 06/07/2008 15:38:21
#220

Nae Lizzie the wan
Nae Lillibet the twa
Nae Liz we'll ever hae
We'll mak oor land republican
In a Scottish breakaway!
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Nikostratos,

06/07/2008 15:43:05
McMadman here is a poll for u


http://snappoll.com/poll/279816.php
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Jock MacTamson 2,

On Holiday 06/07/2008 15:50:59
#220 - I would agree with other posters. It may be possible there are two people with no idea about Scotland who post in the same style, utter rubbish and unionists nonsense, dressed up as opinions.

Or maybe there is just one sad little dafty who uses multiple usernames. It would not be unheard of and is often a practice deployed by supporters of ZaNu Labour.
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Nikostratos,

06/07/2008 15:52:18
#229

If the snp win 55% in a poll for an Independent Scotland of only 33% of all of those eligible to vote......

Would you accept this or say the vote for independence should not be allowed and remain in the union.
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Edward,

06/07/2008 15:53:46
The problem Labour has , is that its geting so bogged down in sleaze
Last week we had the spectacle of Labour MP's, including 17 Scottish Labour MP's voting to retain their expenses, including the now famous(sic) £ 24,000 worth of Household shopping at John Lewis (surely someth that attracted Magaret Curran. We have the revelation in the Mail on Sunday (why not in a Scottish paper I wonder) of the departing member of Glasgow East, David Marshall fleecing half a million pounds from the tax payer, by claiming £91,000 incidental expenses provision, which is used to pay for constituency offices,which turned out to be his Glasgow home!£400,000 for staff, which turned out to be his wife and £11,000 for their travel expenses
Obviously shopping tax free at John Lewis was not enough for him and his wife.Labour gave the excuse for his resignation was that he was 'suffering clinical depression'. I suppose anyone who had been caught with their hand in the till would be depressed as his days with snout in the trough are well and trully over. Never mind plenty jobs going around the east end of Glasgow..isnt there?
So contender number one, was Councillor Ryan, unfortunately he is myred in Sleaze, so we go to contendor number two, council leader Purcell, oops he is also myred in sleaze. What about third option Frank McAveety, he declined (I wonder why?), rumour has it that they also approached ex party general secretary Lesley Quinn before plumping for the bottom of the barrel Margaret Curran. Labour will be praying that Margaret doesnt have any skeletons in the cupboard. But even if by some chance , she does win. Labour have already stated that she would remain an MSP. So what would she be An MP first and MSP second or MSP first and part tim MP second. At least she will be entitled to the £ 24,000 worth of spending at a John Lewis shop
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elizabeth the first ,

06/07/2008 15:53:50
223.I could ask the same question,who are you?
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elizabeth the first ,

06/07/2008 15:55:22
Labour's Achievements.

1. Lowest inflation since the 60s
2. Low interest rates
3
. Introduced the National Minimum Wage
4. Lowest unemployment for 29 years
5. Written off up to 100 per cent of debt owed by poorest countries
6. 78,700 more nurses
7. 27,400 more doctors
8. Brought back matrons to hospital wards
9. Devolved power to the Scottish Parliament
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Jock MacTamson 2,

On Holiday 06/07/2008 15:56:13
#1 Not suprised to find out more financial fraud from Labour councils in Glasgow. I hope this will finally force them to Vote for change. How can they continue to vote for more of the same deprivation. Labour have failed Glasgow consitently for decades.

Surely no one can doubt this!
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elizabeth the first ,

06/07/2008 15:56:17
cont...
10. Child benefit up 25 per cent since 1997
11. Free nursery places for three and four-year-olds in England, Scotland and Wales.
12. Record police numbers in Scotland
13.Free TV licences for over-75s
14. Free local bus travel for over-60s
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elizabeth the first ,

06/07/2008 16:00:01
15. Negotiated the historic Good Friday Agreement in Northern Ireland.
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elizabeth the first ,

06/07/2008 16:01:17
WHAT HAS THE SNP ACHIEVED?
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Jock MacTamson 2,

On Holiday 06/07/2008 16:01:49
#234 E1/Kimba

Many of these are inspite of labour mismanagement rather than it there cause.

I think they can really onky take credit for 3. National minimum wage.

1,2,4,5, they were involved in and Brown played leading in role in stoppping the 3rd world debt.

6,7, Not sure about my facts but I do not believe the NHS is a shining example of success.

9 Devolution was forced upon them.
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Nikostratos,

06/07/2008 16:02:23
#237

nationalist blindness as usual
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Jock MacTamson 2,

On Holiday 06/07/2008 16:08:04
#241 Nik

Lets see where the opinion polls of Glasgow By election leave your labour party.

No support in the stronghold. No support anywhere else. If not this year then next year for sure.
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Huntly loon,

Aberdeenshire 06/07/2008 16:13:29
It seems clear to me that Margaret Curran's priority will be to attend Holyrood where the voting is knife-edged. Her time at Westminster will be to sign on get her second home, do her shopping at John Lewis's under way and head back north.

Labour's tactics are purely to thwart the SNP taking the seat, not to provide representation for Glasgow East at Westminster. It is basically a scorched earth policy in democracy. Quite Mugabe-esque.
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Edward,

06/07/2008 16:13:38
#234 Liz first
You forgot to include getting rid of the 10p tax band, which meant that the lower paid had to pay higher tax
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elizabeth the first ,

06/07/2008 16:18:56
248. That as you well know has been reversed.
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Edward,

06/07/2008 16:21:27
#234 Liz first
or how about Gordon Brown's notorious "pension stealth tax" has reduced the value of retirement funds by at least £100 billion
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Edward,

06/07/2008 16:23:08
#250 Liz first
Not yet it hasnt!
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Edward,

06/07/2008 16:24:43
#234 Liz first
or how about when Gordon Brown sold off 60% of Britains gold reserve at below market value, costing the uk £ 2 BILLION!
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elizabeth the first ,

06/07/2008 16:27:17
249. This gets better, look, i'm 52 happily married for 32 years,and have never been to stockton-on-tees in my life. This is now getting ridiculous,you have had your fun,now try and stick to the topic at hand.
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kt mcallan,

alba 06/07/2008 16:35:16
253 - yes, why did he do that? Can you tell us Kimba?
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kt mcallan,

alba 06/07/2008 16:40:04
Seriously though, the lIEbor party is so corrupt and even you must admit Betty that Wendy's illegal donations scam and now this business with Marshall (is that your husband by any chance?)just plunges them even further into shambles.They are public servants, they are meant to be accountable to us and they have taken the people of Scotland for a ride once too often.
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kt mcallan,

alba 06/07/2008 16:45:48
yes, reduction in pension fund values, sending ill equipped troups into illegal wars, Broon's part in the credit crisis, the petrol crisis, squandering our oil revenues, closing the post offices, squandering money on Trident, political u-turns - not exactly been all fun and games has it?The labour party does not stand up for Scotland's interests, just self interest.
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elizabeth the first ,

06/07/2008 17:08:14
Good Evening all,hope you find your mysterious kimba.
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brownlie,

06/07/2008 17:17:46
260 Elizabeth

Quite right, you are not Kimba at all. Kimba would have lost the rag ages ago.

Do tell me one thing before you go. Do you only spend your holidays in the more affluent parts of Scotland?
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john z,

edinburgh 06/07/2008 17:22:23
Dear people of Glasgow East,

can you do everyone a favour and give this Labour shower an electoral kicking they won't forget on polling day. Maybe that will help Glasgow get rid of these corrupt leaches.

Thanks
The people of Scotland.
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brownlie,

06/07/2008 17:26:21
264 McMad

Not great but pretty much what I expected first game of the season. Had to go into Robbie's bar to dry out and now enjoying my mate's malt whilst he is posting as Elizabeth the First!

Unfortunately I missed the Spook's message as I could have borrowed his Waitrose bag.
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Iainbroch,

Moray 06/07/2008 17:31:12
re 234/236

Some people will write any old tat. Labour achievements indeed. Fiddled stats and spin. Spin being just another word for a lie!

What about record levels of drug addiction and drug related crime?
What about millions dead in Iraq?
What about a health service where it is actually getting harder to find anyone who can communicate in English?
What about the use of Brit airports to support Israels illegal war against Lebanon?
What about the wasted millions being used to prop up dictatorships?
What about things can only get better - better for who - not for me or my family or most of my friends?


Cam I have some of the hallucinogens that you are so obviously taking. Either that or you are circulating in a warped parrallel universe?
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elizabeth the first ,

06/07/2008 17:33:57
262. As our friends are in the more "AFFLUENT" part of Scotland,then yes!
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Van (not white) Diesel,

Amsterdam & Augsburg 06/07/2008 17:35:59
Good afternoon. Tennis presently rained orf, and the berries have gone soggy.
Liz 1 v. kimba - brownlie @ 262 has a point. Friend kimba would probably have gone ballistic by now. On the other hand, perhaps her medication has been changed recently. There are similarities between the two, and I reserve judgement until the DNA results arrive. Trouble is, there has been point blank refusal by all my operatives to take her DNA. Wonder why?
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Iain's,

06/07/2008 17:36:36
Just the threat of the SNP has made New Labour find a better candidate.

Just think of the help the area would receive if they had the guts to actually vote SNP!

The money would roll into the area.
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Conan the Librarian™,

06/07/2008 17:37:37
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Good evening sphincterman.Pulled it over your head recently?
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elizabeth the first ,

06/07/2008 17:37:55
272. Then try working hard and saving,it can be done,and stop blaming the state for all your woes,learn to stand on your own two feet! Good Evening.
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elizabeth the first ,

06/07/2008 17:42:17
274. My dear mr (not white) Diesel, as a foreign gentleman, why would you be interested in the politics of GB.
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Van (not white) Diesel,

Amsterdam & Augsburg 06/07/2008 17:45:20
#279 kimba - What makes you think that I am (a) foreign, and (b) a gentleman? I note that your punctuation has improved. Well done!
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brownlie,

06/07/2008 17:45:23
273 Elizabeth

I would never have guessed!

As a fellow unionist I'm sure you will agree with me that "Curran rides ..." is more appropriate as graffiti than as a newspaper head-line and the idea of a battered Brown does not bear thinking about.

Incidentally, how do you feel about the murder of innocent Iraqis?
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Conan the Librarian™,

06/07/2008 17:47:19
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She is a bit spaced out Meths;-)
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Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 06/07/2008 17:47:46
If Curran wins the seat will her second salary go towards servicing the Labour party debt?
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Conan the Librarian™,

06/07/2008 17:49:30
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kimba is a teacher now, Van, of course her punctuation has improved.
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Conan the Librarian™,

06/07/2008 17:52:47
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Evening Meths.
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elizabeth the first ,

06/07/2008 17:55:39
278. You people are crazy,i've had enough,hope you find your kimba character (but i doubt he/she exists) Good Evening.
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Conan the Librarian™,

06/07/2008 17:57:16
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Why do you think she wants to be a virgin queen, Meths?

Regrets, she's had a few...
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Van (not white) Diesel,

Amsterdam & Augsburg 06/07/2008 17:57:23
Metal Onions y CTL - Congrats on 'outing' kimba. I would also draw attention to this thread:
http://news.scotsman.com/scotland/I39ll-launch-legal-bid-to.3786690.jp
Amongst all manner of assorted twaddle, I suggested that kimba could become Queen Kimba, if ancient borders within the present UK were to be resurrected. The delusions, and confusions, of grandeur have surfaced.
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Iainbroch,

06/07/2008 17:57:58
re 272

I am actually self employed - I get murdered by recent tax increases. I save money then I get taxed on that as well.

Oh and then I get subjected to legalised extortion evertime I go to dentist. That assuming if the practice I use is even there the next time I go, but then I would rather have my teeth pulled that have to live another day in Liebor nigthmare.

Like I said - you exist in a parrallel universe. I will not give you credit for even being on the same planet as the majority of humanity.
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George Mackay,

Coupar Angus 06/07/2008 18:00:39
Scotland on Sunday has missed the big story of the week. Gaelic is now an official language of Europe. The whole Mackay family has spent the weekend at Auntie Jean's at Coupar Angus discussing this. Cousin AM2 who showed me how to use next door's wireless internet without paying anything says it is typical nationalist waste of money. Auntie Jean is 87 and has 16 cats says she is going to give her next cat a Gaelic name.
My nephew Malcolm is vexed. He has a red hair and thinks he's a Pict. He has even become a sp.rm donor to propagate the ancient race of Picts. He's vexed because he put up a Pictish signpost on the A9 pointing to his craftshop near Pitlochry. The council made him take it down again and said he was a menace to road safety. But he says if yoy can have Gaelic signs, why can't you have Pictish ones. He's going to write to the candidates in the election and demand that they support Pictish.
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Conan the Librarian™,

06/07/2008 18:00:41
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Not at fourteen stone and five feet two she won't;-)
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Van (not white) Diesel,

Amsterdam & Augsburg 06/07/2008 18:01:11
Getting close, but how close?
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Van (not white) Diesel,

Amsterdam & Augsburg 06/07/2008 18:02:45
Tennis back on. I have sent for another punnet.
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Conan the Librarian™,

06/07/2008 18:03:14
This close?
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Van (not white) Diesel,

Amsterdam & Augsburg 06/07/2008 18:03:19
Yes
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Van (not white) Diesel,

Amsterdam & Augsburg 06/07/2008 18:03:19
Yes
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Van (not white) Diesel,

Amsterdam & Augsburg 06/07/2008 18:04:07
Complete and utter foul-up. Where's kimba?
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Conan the Librarian™,

06/07/2008 18:04:14
No
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Conan the Librarian™,

06/07/2008 18:05:37
300 for Independance and the Spartans FC.
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Conan the Librarian™,

06/07/2008 18:09:49
309 For Fran'n'Anna.
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Van (not white) Diesel,

Amsterdam & Augsburg 06/07/2008 18:11:02
Methalions - the way things are going at SW19, stand by for another celebration party.
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Iain's,

06/07/2008 18:15:06
Dear Administrator.

This is getting silly.

The postings here are mainly by New Labour Trolls who are just filling this important issue with silly comments.

Anything to stop people discussing the evil Scottish Labour party.

Would you please zap them?
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Conan the Librarian™,

06/07/2008 18:18:37
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Ok Iain's, What do you want to say about the "evil Scottish Labour Party"?
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Conan the Librarian™,

06/07/2008 18:25:22
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Annan RFC rules.
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Raj Persaud's ghost writer,

06/07/2008 18:25:46
"Curran rides to the rescue of battered Brown" - on a broomstick made for two?
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Conan the Librarian™,

06/07/2008 18:28:30
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Lets celebrate with some Heads Down No Nonsense Mindless Boogie.
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Pink Sombrero,

06/07/2008 18:49:04
321. LOL

I am doing mindless boogie now
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Liberal for life,

Dunblane 06/07/2008 18:50:45
Well at least the lady has the guts to stand and fight her party's corner which makes the other males who declined look like wee wimps. This is going to be a crucial by-election for the Labour Party and not one for feint hearts thats for sure.
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Phil C,

06/07/2008 19:01:43
Margaret Curran is a dreadful woman with the political intelect of a worm and the touchy-feeliness of a porcupine! If that's the best Labour can do in such an important bi-election then truly they have lost their way.

Having said that, the East End of Glasgow is famous for it's huge number of Labour sheep, who would vote for a jobbie if it wore a red rosette. BBaaaa!!!
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HEN BROON 5,

ALBA being held back by the UK 06/07/2008 19:02:11
http://tinyurl.com/6nydg7


Eleven Glasgow Labour Councillors Under Investigation





Eleven Labour Glasgow City Councillors, including Councillor George Ryan, who last night suddenly pulled out of the contest to represent Labour in the crucial Glasgow East by-election, were reported to the Standards on 18 June 2008 in connection with a controversial land deal in the city centre.




The complaint surrounded their conduct in relation to the controversial attempt to close down the 150 year old Paddy’s Market in the city and obtain land on which the market is currently located.




The complaint which was submitted to the Standards Commission of Scotland by a representative of Paddy’s Market traders claimed that Councillor Ryan misled the council in a report he presented to the council’s Executive Committee which recommended the council purchase the head lease of the land where the market is situated and for the historic Paddy’s Market to be closed down.




The report which was presented by Councillor Ryan at a meeting on 20 March 2008, and subsequently led to the council’s endorsement of its recommendations, stated that the owners of the land had agreed to provide the lease at a reduced rate to the Council. However, the forty page complaint document submitted to the Standards Commission included information that clearly indicated that no such deal had been made with the council.




Councillor Ryan also faces investigation for other breaches of the Code of Conduct in relation to this matter along with ten other high profile Glasgow City Council Labour councillors including the Council leader, Steven Purcell.




Paddy’s Market representative, Brian Daly said:
“This market has been here for over 150 years, and my family has been trading here for three generations. The Labour councillors who are intent on closing us down have failed in their responsibilities as elected members to engage with us at any time in
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HEN BROON 5,

ALBA being held back by the UK 06/07/2008 19:02:52
The Labour councillors who are intent on closing us down have failed in their responsibilities as elected members to engage with us at any time in relation to this. They have, instead, chosen to make backroom decisions and bulldozer them through without any regard for the democratic process.




“The whole affair has been one of misrepresentation of the facts to the public, the media and to the council itself. We live in a democratic society yet, some of those who we trust to carry out duties on our behalf have chosen to make decisions and disregard the wishes of the electorate.




“Labour councillors refused to share vital information with other elected members from other political parties who also represent this area or include them in the vital stages of the decision making process. Instead there has been a sustained approach by some Labour councillors and council officials to make unsupported claims both in council and through the media locally in an attempt to gain public and council support for their project.



“Elected members who behave in such a way should and must be held fully accountable for their actions, and whilst it would be inappropriate for me to pre-empt the findings of the Standard Commission investigation, I believe the evidence against those Councillors involved is pretty damning. We won’t put up with the bully boy tactics of the council any longer. We very much look forward to the outcome of the investigation.”




For further information please contact Caroline Weintz – Fan Hitter PR on: 07717 326 919 or by email at caroline@fan-hitter.co.uk

Editors’ Notes

The other ten Labour councillors have been reported to the Standards Commission are: Councillor Steven Purcell – Council Leader

Councillor James Coleman – Deputy Leader of the Council

Councillor Aileen Colleran – Council Business Manager Councillor

Stephen Curran – City Treasurer

Bailie Gordon Matheson – local councillor for Paddy’s M
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HEN BROON 5,

ALBA being held back by the UK 06/07/2008 19:03:24
Councillor Stephen Doran Councillor Archie Graham Councillor Ruth Simpson Councillor Shaukat Butt

The Code of Conduct for Councillors forms part of the Ethical Standards in Public Life etc. (Scotland) Act 2000

Paddy’s Market traders have submitted an alternative proposal to the landowners which, if accepted, would see them take over the head lease and to operate the facility on a community based co-operative system or trust. The Paddy’s proposal details how they will regenerate the area whilst maintaining the current market community. It also places a strong emphasis on community involvement and social inclusion plans which would ensure that it continued to assist people from all walks of life.
Contact: Caroline Weintz
Phone: 07717 326 919
Email: caroline@fan-hitter.co.uk
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brownlie,

06/07/2008 19:06:17
333 Spooky

No, she's not. I was elected, unopposed a la Brown and Wendy, as the most boring lunatic on this site.

PS Sorry I must have just missed your posting regarding the pub. I was in Robbie's Bar until it came to my round then I left to scrounge off my mate.

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Conan the Librarian™,

06/07/2008 19:36:00
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Cheeky young pup.I shall feed you to my pet...

http://www.kristynicole.com/aquatics/bristleworm/Downshot.JPG
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Nikostratos,

06/07/2008 19:42:45
#320 The Spook in Leith,

The point which 'HE' did not wish to see is that if you take part in Democratic process which doesn't specify any qualifying percentages to validate the outcome. Then what you get is the legitimate choice of those who take part.

Anyway i shall miss the outcome of the by election as i will be in Rome....



for u spooky he he he

http://snappoll.com/poll/279849.php
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karinxxx,

06/07/2008 19:44:41
So let me get this straight magaret curran msp is going to stand also as an MP the very thing that labour were shouting was wrong for alex salmond to do?

So what labour are saying is do as we say and not as we do.

Was margaret curran not one of the people who were saying this about alex salmond.
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Conan the Librarian™,

06/07/2008 19:51:30
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Evening Karin, yes you are correct.Tad hypocritical no?
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Farmernot,

06/07/2008 19:56:13
Labour......deid in the water......although Maggie will scrape by in Weegie East.......and at the same time open her card with John Lewis......smarmy socialist troughers !!!!"!!!
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Conan the Librarian™,

06/07/2008 20:03:24
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You voted yet?
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Conan the Librarian™,

06/07/2008 20:07:12
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Ah, you have...HeHe.
Do you know any one legged ladies Sunday league football teams?

I think Niko plays in goal for one, ask him.
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Van (not white) Diesel,

Amsterdam & Augsburg 06/07/2008 20:19:33
#355 ppink
'somebody young with new ideas and charisma'
Superb idea - trouble is, I very much doubt that the creature exists in ANY of the political parties of this country. This is part of the problem - a lack of leadership.
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Raj Persaud's ghost writer,

Freedom for Glasgow a decent standard of living. A 06/07/2008 20:39:42
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=OARvE4ZzMCY - Let the erradication of parrassite representation commence.
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Bravetart,

06/07/2008 20:49:11
Curran saving Brown?

That is a bit like find out your on the last lifeboat, and its sprung a leak.
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Queen D,

Glasgow 06/07/2008 21:01:58
I heard that Frances Curran is standing for the SSP.
Can anybody confirm?
So "Magret" and Frances would be on the ballot papers!
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Nit-Nat,

06/07/2008 21:08:55
It sais under the photo: Fingers scrossed - will that technique impress the electorate in Glasgow East?

I am also an expert on constitutional law, and EU energy law.
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Conan the Librarian™,

06/07/2008 22:17:30
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Curran, Curran.

Sounds like a cr ap eighties band.
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Matt there,

somewhere 06/07/2008 22:22:48
But it is NOT official yet, is it? Curran is not the official candidate. Yet.
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Matt there,

somewhere 06/07/2008 22:48:11
369 = The duty Nu-Liebour troll and I claim my prize.
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Nit- Nat,

06/07/2008 22:48:40
368 Matt there

I'm also a Introvert, can you tell?
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Conan the Librarian™,

06/07/2008 22:51:16
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Can ye no jist put the scheuch o' yer *rse ower yer heid, and gie the rest o' us peace?
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Nit- Nat,

06/07/2008 22:53:14
Im a Introvert and i also know a lot about loners
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Nit- Nat,

06/07/2008 23:00:09














lol
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Conan the Librarian™,

06/07/2008 23:03:26
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Talking out of it?
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Nit-Nat,

06/07/2008 23:21:32
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That wasn't me that posted that you t w a t.

One of your silly w a n k e r nat pals made up a similair moniker in between sips of tennent's super.

When you accuse one of your v a g i n a cyber-twerp pals of being higland mighty/AM2 it just goes to show how f u c k i n g paranoid and repetitious you are.

By the way I am also an expert on energy technology and engineering alongside expert legal opinions on constitutional law.
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Murray in Canada,

Salt Spring Island 06/07/2008 23:31:55
I notice some writers throw scorn at poor beleaguered Brown because he's keeping away from Glasgow. I thought it was a given that a PM keeps away from by-elections; if so, he's acting properly and it is ignorant malice to taunt him over this. That said, I find it sadly amusing that he's pulling out all the other stops. I wouldn't be surprised if Labour keep the seat - the habit is too ingrown (like a toenail) - but I forecast a greatly reduced majority.
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LEAL,

06/07/2008 23:34:56
what is the mood in Glasgow East?
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Conan the Librarian™,

06/07/2008 23:58:24
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Heh, a matching pair...
http://img.thesun.co.uk/multimedia/archive/00140/ed_imgSNN1502A_140414a.jpg
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JohnBowes,

06/07/2008 23:58:27
Oh Margaret, you are a severe opportunist eh? Be honest pettle! Will you be blasting out glesga slang for the next week or two doll? I'm afraid people are not that daft. And it takes more than intellectual specs to be intellectual. And more than a red coat to be a socialist. Do you know how to spell socialist pettle?

Sweet dreams - will you be dreaming of a giant telly box free from John Lewis? Oh, and the luvely free dinners and drink... worth all the brown nosing eh?
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Conan the Librarian™,

07/07/2008 00:03:21
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What have you done with Sophie Cleese?
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getinnnn,

Scotland 07/07/2008 00:30:18
Curran;Good or Bad?.....
Well...If She wants Independence for Her Country,She is good:If She does not;then She is a miserable excuse for a Scot...
If She calls the UK Her Nation;then She is a miserable excuse for a Scot.
A Nation that doesn't stand on its Own feet,or call itself its Own Name, is a miserable excuse for a Nation
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Andrew Buchan,

Kincardineshire 07/07/2008 00:30:31
The last few comments look like an internal Labour party debate.

Any city which allows the sort of offensive lunatics who were out and about with their drums yesterday to parade up and down its streets and disrupt the place for an entire day with their public urinating and foul language deserves and is welcome to continued Labour Party representation.
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Conan the Librarian™,

07/07/2008 00:40:23
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Do you mean flute blowing, sash wearing, bowler-hatted people?

Who seem to have an overly sexual interest in the leader of the Catholic Church?
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Iainbroch,

Moray 07/07/2008 00:46:38
Monster raving loony Party in disarray as Labour fields Screaming Banshee?

Lord Sutch turns in his grave - a spokesman for Party claims Labour has hijacked thier campaign obviously back stabbing mole on the loose at Monster Raving HQ?
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Conan the Librarian™,

07/07/2008 00:57:57
400
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Banana Heid,

Ayrshire 07/07/2008 09:25:29
I will be very disappointed if Labour win in the east end of Glasgow. the electorate are beginning to see the light all over Scotland and I hope the East end of glasgow is no exception. Surely they still don't believe the lies and deceit handed down from Labour to Labour over the years...
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Brian Hill,

Edinburgh 07/07/2008 11:35:40
A combination of the devolved Scottish parliament and the internet has meant that information previously kept out of the public domain is now available to all, sometimes within minutes of events happening.

The result is the labour party who have been able to operate in the night shadows for 50 years are now found wanting.

The information revolution has changed politics for ever. The SNP have always had the argument but the means to advance it have always been closed by those who control the conventional media.....until recently resulting in major SNP advances at the expense of a Labour party unable to withstand scrutiny in the light of day.
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Raj Persaud's ghost writer,

07/07/2008 19:40:49
#402 - indeed. Labours corruption and endemic practices are becoming haunting words.

If only Shettlestons outgoing westminster had the same scrutiny of an office and expenses, apparently did nothing and in 30 years claimed probable millions for it.

Now that is troughtastic!
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The Former Mr. Angry,

Perth 07/07/2008 20:35:21
Maybe the best and possibly most humorous result could be that Margaret Curran following pressure due to being elected an MP by the narrowest of margins resigns her MSP seat forcing another by-election! It couldn't happen could it? But - hint - expenses are so much easier down Westminster way.
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Brian the Barbarian.,

scumbad alley 07/07/2008 21:48:51
Not much posted on here then.

i wouldna vote fer her cos shez a wummun an looks az if shez got a touch o the tarbrush an wearz specs but mostly coz she looks like Davros in dr Whae ?

History huz proovd that a genuin Labour MP in Glasgow is a troo alien tht duznae exist.
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Iainbroch,

Moray 07/07/2008 23:09:56
Does anybody seriously expect Liebaah to lose this seat? Liebaahs cynicism is so deeeply ingrained it is hard wired into thier genetic code.
I expect they will hold it by 5,000 votes at least and maybe more like 7,000 - I hope it will not be a case of I told you so?
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Stewart_in_Oz,

Alexandra Hills 08/07/2008 00:35:17
When I was little (1943) and lived in Sandyhills and went to school in Springboig, we used to put HalfPennies on the tramlines because somebody said they would be flattened anad turn into pennies. Sounds like the same thing is happening in politics for Shettlestone. It's all a matter of perception.
The Halfpenny to Penny trick never worked out either so we lost twice, coinage and childish illusions. Still everybody has to grow up eventually and see the truth.
Glad I left when I did.
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lulach mac gille coemgain,

13/07/2008 10:46:17
Forget Curran - Then question is - how have Labour improved Glasgow East over the past 50 years ?

Oooh - it looks like they haven’t . . . so we can suppose they ain’t gonna improve it over the next 50 years.

Labour - keeping people poor to manipulate the vote !
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lulach mac gille coemgain,

13/07/2008 10:50:30
If we have good health, if we are educated - Scotland has a better future - Labour don’t benefit from this, everyone else does - it’s that simple !

 

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