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Published Date: 29 April 2009
THE parents of a 12-year-old boy have vowed to keep their son out of school until teachers allow him to go on a camping trip with his classmates.
Graham and Marcia McCann have withdrawn their son David from Nether Currie Primary until teachers reverse their decision to ban him from the three-night stay at school camp.

They claim the school is discriminating against their son because he has
behavioural problems, which they say are directly linked to his learning difficulties.

He has been banned from staying overnight at the camp at Dounans Centre in Aberfoyle because of his behaviour, although the school's headteacher has offered to take him up in the morning and bring him back at the end of each day.

Mr McCann, from Riccarton Crescent in Currie, says this will only single David out and he is furious with the school as his son has been looking forward to the trip. He says the school only made him aware of their issue with David last Friday.

The 45-year-old said: "He is not allowed to stay overnight with his friends and the school is wanting him to look like an idiot being driven in by the headmistress every day. That is not an option. It's disgusting discrimination.

"We have paid the money for this trip and have been to all the meetings but at no time did they say they had any concerns about David going. He is devastated and has been in tears over this."

Mr McCann, a self-employed joiner, added: "He is out of education now because we took him out the school.

"He will not be back in education until he goes to high school in August unless the school sorts this out."

Mr and Mrs McCann admit that their son's behaviour can be difficult, but say that he is never violent towards staff or pupils.

He suffers from dyslexia and gets frustrated by not being able to read and write as well as his classmates, which manifests itself in bad behaviour in the classroom.

But they don't believe he should be punished for having problems linked to his learning difficulties.

Mrs McCann, 45, said: "To turn round a week before David was due to go to camp and say he can't go is unacceptable.

"He is not a disruptive child and he isn't a threat to other children.

"They have decided before he has even gone that he is going to misbehave and didn't give him a chance to prove that he can behave."

The camp is designed for all primary seven pupils within the Currie Community High School's catchment area so they can meet each other before they start secondary school.

The city council confirmed that the school's decision not to allow David to stay overnight at the camp was due to "recent behavioural reasons".

A spokesman added: "If a child is taken out of school for no good reason then we would take appropriate steps at the time."





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  • Last Updated: 29 April 2009 10:59 AM
  • Source: Edinburgh Evening News
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Schools in Edinburgh
 
1

Xena - Warrior Princess,

29/04/2009 11:58:45
I suspect David was warned that the trip could be cancelled if he misbehaved?
2

Alternative (High-Octane) Fuel Head,

Edinburgh 29/04/2009 12:06:17
Seems like this article is just a rant from a disgruntled parent...

If we knew the full story, maybe we could make a judgement. It's a little bit difficult to do that when the article consists of 90% rant, followed by a one-line quote from a "spokesman".
3

Edge Living,

on a level playing field 29/04/2009 12:08:03
Well done school, dont buckle to these nut jobs.
4

Jam Tarts 1874,

On the Rebound 29/04/2009 12:14:56
Dyslexia is not excuse for bad behaviour, these parents are scum.
5

Sarcasm,

29/04/2009 12:19:44
"He is out of education now because we took him out the school.
He will not be back in education until he goes to high school in August unless the school sorts this out."

Way to go, that'll learn them.
6

Randan,

29/04/2009 12:24:07
#4 These parents are not scum but you are for suggesting it.
Many parents have problems with children and although they may not be perfect parents they are doing their best. It is very easy for kids to start playing up and not so easy to n1p it in the bud, which is probably how these situations start.
There are so many bad influences in the modern world that family life is being infected, and is making it harder to brings kids up.

(apparently n i p is an unsuitable word)
7

ben75,

Edinburgh 29/04/2009 12:26:02
I am sure that the parents of the pupils in his class have let out a collective cheer that this child will not finish off the school year.....

Good on the school for taking this stance.





8

Glenda,

blah 29/04/2009 12:28:57
The mother says,

"He suffers from dyslexia and gets frustrated by not being able to read and write as well as his classmates, which manifests itself in bad behaviour in the classroom."

"He is not a disruptive child and he isn't a threat to other children."

Make you mind up woman.

Bet the school's rejoicing that this kid's being kept away from school by the parents.

Problem solved.
9

Tartan Viking,

29/04/2009 12:29:37
His parents should claim it is a breach of his 'human rights', just like everybody else seems to do.

Then the school will sh*t themselves and allow him to go.
10

Tartan Viking,

29/04/2009 12:30:46
And all the PC tw@ts will rejoice.

11

FF,

Edinburgh 29/04/2009 12:35:00
We don't know the ins and outs of the boy's behaviour problems, but the parents aren't doing themselves or their child any favours with their own behaviour.

The headteacher has offered to take the boy to and from the camp every day, all the way from Currie to Aberfoyle. Instead of recognising the undoubted goodwill and and hassle on the part of the school and the headteacher, the parents rant and threaten them. They are not prepared to discuss the issue or meet half way. What's the school meant to do?
12

Road Raga,

EDINBURGH 29/04/2009 12:35:40
Typical ME ME ME from the parents
13

alfonsa pedrosa,

embra 29/04/2009 12:36:15
This Laddies parents should grow up and consider their sons education first.
14

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29/04/2009 12:40:02
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I love to eat Sellotape,

29/04/2009 12:45:27
12. How do you know his parents have ME?
16

Leithen Laddie,

Borders 29/04/2009 12:58:29
Perhaps if the parents were asked to cover the extra costs associated with their badly behaved children, usually as a result of bad parenting, the parents would take a different position. Most well behaved kids suffer because of teacher time spent dealing with bad behaviour.
17

elayne,

29/04/2009 12:59:35
dyslexia can be frustrating for kids(as i know myself) but sounds like the boy has other issues too,but i think the parents have been offered a fair choice in having the kid taken daily to the camp,rather than nothing at all!
18

Catlover18,

Edinburgh 29/04/2009 13:03:35
Totally agree with the schools decision, he was probably warned that if he misbehaved he wouldn't be allowed to go. Its time that we stood up for the rights of the well behaved and not spoil there trip by a distruptive pupil. To often we have to lower our standards so we can be "inclusive".

His parents should have made this decision themselves as a punishment, if you can't behave NO trip. Instead of keeping him home from school, what kind of punishment is that?
19

A Friend of Fernando Poo,

29/04/2009 13:12:00
While I'm sure dyslexia can be very frustrating, if he's of an age to be going to High School, his parents should have by now taught him not to vent his frustration in bad behaviour which is disruptive to other students.

His dyslexia is apparently disrupting his studies, yet his parents think it wise to cause further damage by removing him from class over a recreational trip?

It seems to me that it's the parents who are throwing their toys out of the pram here.
20

Porty Belle,

29/04/2009 13:17:04
While I sympathise with the parents to a certain extent, why should disruptive children be allowed to attend a class camp where they could spoil the trip for others and possibly endanger themselves and other children? I think the school has made a very reasonable compromise offer. The activities on offer at a school camp demand that the children are very focussed and obedient and if this child is unable to comply, the school is quite right to be concerned.
21

Speedy Gonzales,

Edinburgh 29/04/2009 13:21:15
Without getting personal with the family involved, I think they are going the wrong way about it.
Either accept the generous offer from the school head to attend day camps, and thus not miss out on the peer bonding exercises, or, if the parents are determined he stay for the full duration, one of them, or perhaps a family member could attend and act as chaperone. This happened with a chap from our school who had a mild form of autism (20 years later we call it aspergers?). His dad stayed with him in a 2 bed dorm at Glengonnar camp, Abington.
Then again, as others have commented, perhaps it's the boys behaviour and not the behavioural problems that need addressed?
22

guaposcot,

madrid 29/04/2009 13:24:12
I think, that neither the school, nor the parents should giveup on the child,NEVER ,he will come round and conform one day..
23

Stan Butler,

29/04/2009 13:36:52


Is it possible that the boy's behavioural problems have been inherited from his parents?

Or is it a case of 'monkey see, monkey do'?
24

Wee Keef,

29/04/2009 13:43:29
#6 - I just tried to use n i p in another thread and got blocked too. As in "n i p down the road"

It's political correctness gone mad!
25

Waitamin,

29/04/2009 13:50:14
Given the attitude of the parents, it is hardly surprising that the kid has behavioural problems. They have been offered a compromise which is incredibly inconvenient to the teacher involved and indicates how strongly the School feel that the boy should not be allowed to stay over. Because it doesn't get the parents exactly what they want, they throw a tantrum!

The school are (IMO) bending over backwards to let him be involved and, I would argue, this is far more than I would expect them to. If I had a kid going on the same trip, I would want to make sure that the safety of my child wasn't being compromised by another's bad behaviour whether that was directly or indirectly (e.g. by taking away supervisory resource!)

Guess what kids - there are consequences for bad behaviour. It is the constant excusing of this behaviour resulting in a distinct lack of any consequences that keeps the vicious circle going.....

Wake up parents - just say "no" and mean it!

Hope the rest of the class enjoy their trip!
26

Jingsitsme,

EDINBURGH 29/04/2009 13:51:28
The teachers would not have taken the decision without due cause.

It very much sounds like the parents are partial source of the problem. Their son should be at school and the parents should be trusting that decisions are made in his best interests.

One of the parents could have volunteered to go as well or even take him up during the day. Sounds like they use school as a dumping ground for their son instead of trying to help him.

I for one appreciate the time taken by teachers to take children to school camp as remember they don't get paid any extra for doing so even although they are in charge of them for 24/7 and believe me you have to watch them like hawks.
27

Simon M,

Edinburgh 29/04/2009 14:04:24
"Behavioural problems"? That's probably a euphemism for someone who is let away with murder by his parents.
28

Pritt Stick Boy,

29/04/2009 14:20:01
12 - typical you you you....from you
29

Leila,

Edinburgh 29/04/2009 15:03:49
I wonder why the parents are saying the school is "wanting him to look like an idiot" when THEY are humiliating the boy in public by taking this story to the Evening News. And no one should use the term "idiot", especially not parents of a child with special needs.

Without knowing all the facts, it sounds like the school, faced with challenging behaviour at a late stage, has offered a generous compromise exactly so that the boy ISN'T singled out by not going on the trip. But far from being grateful, the parents have made things much worse by taking the boy out of school and then going to the press.
30

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29/04/2009 15:31:47
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im brian and so is my wife,

edinburgh 29/04/2009 15:48:34
this is prob just be an insurance thing,you cant discrininate against kids with learning difficulties
mind you some of the residents in curry believe themselves to be above others
when i lived there many years ago,i was walking to the bus stop,because i was wearing all denim and had long hair,i overheard a snotty wee kid say to his friend"oh i do hope the likes of him dont live here"
thats not the kids talking its their middle class knob end parents
i told them aye i do no get lost little worm
he must either be so destructive to place others in danger to ban him
well hes the one losing out in the end,no camp,no school
wonder if the kippy officer will visit,as he/she would if he was a schemie
32

Cod,

29/04/2009 16:54:43
I've heard that the boy eats raw catnip.
33

The real dracula,

29/04/2009 18:35:22
Totally agree with the school . Why should others suffer because a boy with dyslexia wants to vent his frustration.
The parents will just have to accept this.
It cant be easy for teachers to cope with a group of pre teenagers in the first place without having to cope with a disruptive pupil.
Health and safety and all that.
Parents are the first to shout health and safety if their beloved angel is put at risk, which this boys behaviour could certainely do. They cant have it both ways.
34

madrab,

Edinburgh 29/04/2009 19:02:47
Hopefully this little brat will have to resit the entire year.
35

tink11,

dunfemline 29/04/2009 19:15:34
i feel sorry for david at the end of the day, but the head techer is still willing for hin to join in the school trip by taking him up and bringing him back at night. i know how the parents feel at the end of the day but at least the school trying, my son has difficultis at school and at home with mental health problems and was never aloud on any camping trips and the school never done anything for him so he missed out completely at least this school is giving david the chance to join in the daily activities along with his friends, so well done on the head teacher for that offer
36

alec splode,

Edinburgh 29/04/2009 19:29:11
Mr McCann, from Riccarton Crescent in Currie, says this will only single David out.

No Mr. McCann from Riccarton Cres. Currie - getting the Evening News involved will single David out.
37

Laura Phillips,

edinburgh 29/04/2009 20:20:38
What did these parents think by telling evening news was going to do, did they think public would stand up for them, bad behaving kids are a nightmare in school so imagine taking them on a break, if the parent could have went with the son on break then they could look after boy and other good behaved kids could enjoy there break, ive been on these breaks and those bad behaviour totally spoil it for everyone, kids get brought back early and that costs more money and time for schools if theyre brought back early, these parents should appreciate what school has offered but obviously theyre selfish and think that there boy is more important that other kids that will go on this break.
38

Lil Miss,

29/04/2009 22:20:33
A decision wouldn't have been taken lightly and an alternative was offered. Teaching staff will give up their time to take the children and if this child has behaviour issues they don't want to be stuck with him at night. By taking it to the EN I think they've made themselves out to be numpties and wrongly assume the decision will be overturned. Why doesn't mu or dad give up their time to stay overnight with him?
39

Ham Mei Si,

Hong Kong 30/04/2009 11:44:11
What a lot of mamby pamby rubbish! Charge the parents for depriving their child of compulsory education, and failing to reveal that he has some unknown threatening behavioral tendencies of an unexplained nature, which are likely inherited! Plus make an example of the pair of them and that the School demand that they drive their own child to the camp themselves! And make them wait outside till its time to go home! I dunno, when I was a kid, if I was disruptive, my mother would just take me down to the cellar and tie me in a chair and beat me with a lead pipe! What was the problem again?
40

Bob1,

30/04/2009 11:44:17
Aye keep the laddie out of school and go to the press about it. That'll stop him being singled out and will help his dyslexia no end. Good on the parents.The boy's probably a wee angel and i suspect the school is just picking on him for the sake of it!
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barnaquine,

05/06/2009 12:22:31
The parents aren't scum, just normal protective ma we boy's no bad types - anyone taking this complaint seriously, however shows real idiocy- I work in as school abroad where a boy was not allowed to go on a school trip, not because of his behavioural problems, but because he was diabetic and the school basically didn't want the worry - the school's decision in that case was WRONG. But this school has made the right decision- they have other children to take responsibility for , and i applaud the headmistress and her offer to allow the boy to go to the camp during the day.

 

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