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Published Date: 08 May 2009
By Robert McNeil
AS DRAMATIC statements about political violence go, it was not quite up there with "Et tu, Brute". But Eck Salmond's cry was nonetheless a startling one: "I have been assaulted with a paper clip!"
Dodgy foreign parliaments get tanks crashing through the doors and guns fired at the ceiling, and this is the best we get: a paper-clip. Last night, the finger of blame was pointed at Mike Rumbles (Lib Dem). He'd been seen fiddling with just such a w...



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Gregor Addison,

Glasgow 08/05/2009 00:08:56
Iain Gray was woeful at First Minister's Questions. He has failed to articulate policy or to engage with the electorate. His performance on Question Time this evening was lamentable. It all seemed to boil down to Scotland under the SNP goes too far, Westminster perhaps hasn't gone far enough, let's meet in the middle and call that progress. David Steel, on the other hand, was excellent.

Also, I couldn't help but wonder if Joana Lumley is working as an agent provacateur for the SNP - is that an SNP badge she's wearing?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/8037181.stm
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Vivas,

Edinburgh 08/05/2009 00:19:59
So far there are 180 signatories to the following early day motion at Troughminster:
EDM 428 "which calls on the government to abandon plans to privatise Royal Mail and the Post Office."

And of our fearless 38 Labour MP's ? You might care to see where your Labservative MP stands on this issue...

16 have signed the motion for various reasons ranging from doing the right thing, to simple electoral self-preservation:
Strang, Gavin - Edinburgh E
Sheridan, James - Paisley
Sarwar, Mohammad - Glasgow C.
Robertson, John - Glasgow NW
Osborne, Sandra - Ayr
McGovern, James - Dundee W
Lazarowicz, Mark - Edinburgh N.
Hood, Jimmy - Lanark
Hamilton, David - Midlothian
Griffiths, Nigel - Edinburgh S.
Devine, Jim - Llivinston
Davidson, Ian - Glasgow SW
Connarty, Michael - Linlithgow
Clarke, Tom - Bellshill
Clark, Katy - North Ayrshire
Banks, Gordon - Ochil/S. Perthshire

22 have not signed the motion for reasons of ideology, party "loyalty" or they just can't be bothered
Roy, Lindsay - Glenrothes
Roy, Frank - Motherwell
Reid, John - Airdrie and Shotts
Murphy, Jim - East Renfrewshire
Moffat, Anne - E Lothian
McKenna, Rosemary - Cumbernauld
McKechin, Ann - Glasgow N
McGuire, Anne - Stirling
McFall, John - W Dunbartonshire
McAvoy, Thomas - Rutherglen
Joyce, Eric - Falkirk
Ingram, Adam - East Kilbride
Harris, Tom - Glasgow S.
Doran, Frank - Aberdeen N.
Donohoe, Brian - Central Ayrshire
Darling, Alistair - Edinburgh SW
Cairns, David - Inverclyde
Browne, Des - Kilmarnock
Brown, Russell - Dumfries
Brown, Gordon - Kirkcaldy
Begg, Anne - Aberdeen S.
Alexander, Douglas - Paisley

'nuff said eh...
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Darien,

Panama 08/05/2009 00:37:38
Mike Rumbles fiddles, as do the FibDums in general.

#3 Vivas: Is Gavin Strang a long term trough-meister or what. A recall ma faither an mither votin for him back in the 1970's. A waste of space then, and a waste o space noo - has he really had his nose in the trough for 30+ years?

#2 Gregor: "David Steel, on the other hand, was excellent."

Hardly, Steel is a 'Lord' who does not believe his nation can hack it alone in the big bad world. As a British Nationalist Steel will always maintain suppression of Scotland to be a good thing. Anither waste o space.
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Jimmy Le Pie,

08/05/2009 02:28:43
Looks like Our Dear Leader, is going to adopt the same fiscal strategy with the Royal Mail sell-off, as he did when he auctioned off all the Gold Reserves to the lowest bidder!!!

http://tinyurl.com/dbfojd
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Ronald Penman,

Glasgow 08/05/2009 02:31:19
Oh Rufus, you are awfull - but I hate you!

Your boundless admiration for the "noble" M'Lord Steel appears to border on the homoerotic. Or is it just that being a far right, NEW LABOUR fcukwit you are just a brown nose job when it comes to those you percieve to be above your station in life?

I can understand Steel's sympathy with Brown on Question Time.A few years ago the boy David was caught out on an expenses scandal of his own. Forgot to declare the "trivial" matter of £92,000 - renumeration for his efforts to promote bloodsports, to the Commons authoritys.
It was left to The Independent on Sunday to reveal the true level of his duplicity . And of course no action was taken against HIS LORDSHIP.

Oh what a tangled web they weave when Steel and Brown seek to deceive .........
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smokey joe 1,

08/05/2009 06:37:11

Jimmy Le Pie.
Go to ebay and bid for the PO.
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Mercutio,

FALKIRK 08/05/2009 08:02:21
The decibels produced by the First Minister's bawling are in inverse proportion to the lucidity of his answers, the heid the ba' mannerism also goes into top gear.
Ms Goldie having allowed a given to Mr Salmond's £500million cut claim, she asked the First Minister how he intended to deal with this. For the second time at FM's question time he has studiously avoided telling us how he will manage these cuts.
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TWC,

exLabour 08/05/2009 08:11:29
11 Mercutio,

I thought he was immense, fighting for Scotland and her wee pttance of a pocket money.
He Slaughterede Elmer Fudd, Rightly avoided giving Daphne Brown any detail of how he will handle the planned Labour imposed cut.
Then deftly held his council on today's Labour Grenade the Bomber's return.

I am not yet converted and they aren't always successful, but the Nats are really working hard for us.
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Mercutio,

FALKIRK 08/05/2009 08:41:07
If you are not converted why are you using the hackneyed language of the cybernats.
The electorate have a right to know the answer to Ms Goldie's question.
Re the Libyan Bomber Mr Salmond made the statement that the sentence must be served in Scoland, this is another case of Mr Salmond's soundbites coming back to haunt him.
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puskas,

East kilbride 08/05/2009 09:01:28
No13.

£500,000,000 cutbacks... MINIMUM increasing per year due to incompetance by Brown and Darling.


Re-Lybyan prisoner :
Explained elequently by our First Minister..

Maybe you can hear English been spoken. Sadly you do not seem to understand it.

I can understand that if listening to Gray ..He canny understand himself... Andy Kerr, where do the Labour party get them from..
Mind you looking about at some of the monkeys with red rosettes Gray, Kerr et al would seem to be intellectuals.


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Scotsman in Dublin,

08/05/2009 09:13:18
I dont often get the chance to see Scottish politics on the TV here, but last night watched both question time in Scotland, and first ministers question time on BBC parliment. On question time David Steel was excellent, Nicola Sturgeon a deputy leader seemed far and away more competent than the leader of the Labour party Ian Gray and I’m not quite sure why they chose to have an English Tory on, but perhaps that just sums up the Torys. On FM’s questions Alex Salmond seems to be more than capable of batting off the concerted unionists attacks, all in all it appears to me that Labour are in disarray and don’t seem to be able to provide any credible opposition. I moved away from Scotland in 2000 for what I thought would only be a couple of years and I am moving back soon after nearly 9 away – I’m happy to see that Scotland is in a far better position now than it was when I left and for the first time in a long time the future looks promising.
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buzzer,

Aberdeen 08/05/2009 09:23:50
Iain Gray trying to explain why Westminster was not taking the lead from the Scottish Parliament position on DNA retention which was endorsed by the European Commission on Human Rights was immensely funny. He couldn't argue his way out of a paper bag.
Instead of answering he shows a complete lack of competence by ASKING questions. Oh he mentioned his work with Oxfam again zzzzzzzz.
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Mercutio,

FALKIRK 08/05/2009 09:30:05
#14 Just like the FM you have avoided the questions. Regarding my understanding of English, it is obvious from your semi-literate rant than the deficit may be yours.
p.s. I am not a supporter of the Labour Party, but I would like the First Minister to answer the questions
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buzzer,

Aberdeen 08/05/2009 09:37:41
17# what questions in particular
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Mercutio,

FALKIRK 08/05/2009 10:09:54
#18 Butt out! The reply was directed at the Galloping Major from East Kilbride
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Darien,

Panama 08/05/2009 10:30:57
#14 Puskas: "monkeys with red rosettes Gray, Kerr et al would seem to be intellectuals."

Aye, there seems to be 3 heirarchical classes of people/aparatchniks at New Labour:

- the knuckle dragger red rosette 'activist' types, maybe reaching the status of gruff councillors or union officials (now thin on the ground);
- the working class boys made good type, maybe with a degree, ex cooncillors or union officials or public agency (e.g. typical NewLab MSP and MP fodder)
- the uber 'intellectuals' who lead (i.e. manipulate) the first two types (e.g. Mandelson, Brown, Miliband, and to some extent wee Alexander the postal vote expert). The ubers in their younger days at uni tend to throw a coin up to decide which political party offers them the best personal future prospects.

The only common feature amongst all three groups is that typically none of them have any business or industry experience. Hence the economic mess.
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Grahamski,

Falkirk 08/05/2009 10:34:34
To suggest that FMQs and PMQs play any serious part in our political system misunderstands the nature of our process - they are pure theatre nothing more or less.
The PM and FM hold all the aces, they have the last words - and the civil servants to write them for them.
When in opposition Mr Salmond rarely troubled the FM of the day, and likewise the current opposition trouble the FM little.
The idea that any politician 'wipes the floor' with their opposition is fanciful nonsense peddled by the apparatchiks of the political parties. I think you'll find that the view of ordinary people is that sight of their elected leaders shouting at each other only confirms their already very low opinion of politicians.
You may see Mr Salmond's performance as a passionate politicians standing up for his beliefs however the general public see a wee, fat, sweaty man shouting....
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Mercutio,

FALKIRK 08/05/2009 10:46:22
#21 Grahamski,I would venture to suggest that the opposition at Westminster are troubling Mr Brown very deeply.
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Grahamski,

Falkirk 08/05/2009 10:50:30
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Perhaps, however I would suggest that much of the present UK government's problems are self-inflicted or outwith their control. It is not the pantomime of PMQs which causes Mr Brown and co sleepless nights but their run of bad luck and even worse judgment. I am a strong believer in the old adage: opposition's don't win elections, governments lose them....
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The west awake,

Argyll 08/05/2009 10:51:26
Grahamski - You show a derision and lack of respect for the average Joe.
Newsnight etc can be seen as more theatre than politics, but people can see when a party are weak or divided or lacking principle or direction etc. It doesn't take an expert to see when a party is on the ropes, as Labour clearly is at the minute.

As to your cheap and nasty remark about Salmond being seen by the Scottish public as a wee, fat, sweaty man shouting, why has he consistently outpolled every other politician in Scotland for years, and how would you say that we think of Gray, who last I seen had the support of 7% of us? What does that make him?
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TWC,

exLabour 08/05/2009 10:54:13
13 Mercutio

When the cut is defined that's when you tell folk the answer.
Fact is I'm not a NAt but I do strongly support Holyrood so if it is a Cost saving it should be agreed by Holyrood MSPs of all shades and returned by them as a cost saving not imposed by Westminster.

They devolved the responsibility they should honour that Labour decision.

This is about Devolution not Party split
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TWC,

exLabour 08/05/2009 10:56:52
BTW if you want to see question avoidance look no further that PMQs.
Brown was smacked by Cameron I'll bet the printers and Nokias took pounding this week
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Grahamski,

Falkirk 08/05/2009 10:58:26
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Actually, I would argue that Newsnight presents more political answers for the Scottish people than the pantomime of FMQ where the FM, like the ones before him, refuses to answer questions and harangues his opponents with civil service-researched ammunition.
As for your accusation of nastiness and cheapness regarding the current FM I merely paraphrased “Oh wad some power the giftie gie us To see oursel's as others see us! It wad frae monie a blunder free us, And foolish notion”.
I know the nats are thin-skinned but get a grip...
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Mercutio,

FALKIRK 08/05/2009 10:59:05
#23 All very well but perception matters a lot in modern politics and Mr Brown's lumbering performances at the Westminster dispatch box have all the indications of a haunted PM "leadin" a government dying on its feet.
I have on many occasions on these threads deplored the fact that when Mr Salmond does not wish to answer a question he "bawls". However the ineptitude of the denizens of the labour benches at Holyrood is appaling.
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European Scot,

08/05/2009 11:00:46
21 Grahamski

" You may see Mr Salmond's performance as a passionate politicians standing up for his beliefs however the general public see a wee, fat, sweaty man shouting.. " "

No only people like you see it that way, fortunately the General Public exhibit rather higher levels of intelligence, hence Alex Salmond's deserved popularity ratings, which leaves your political favourite way behind.
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Grahamski,

Falkirk 08/05/2009 11:09:56
28
I agree up to a point. As the main opposition at Holyrood the Labour MSPs are letting us down terribly. It is their responsibility to hold the current executive to account, unfortunately they have been unable to rise much above the level of the playground taunt. Ms Goldie has been by far the most effective of the party leaders but she is however, still a tory - who supported the devastation her party brought to Scotland during their last time in power so we should resist getting too carried away in that direction.....
My real worry is that people get so fed up with the blustering of the SNP, the inneffectualness of Labour, the irrelevance of the Libdems and the tory-ness of the tories that they don't actually vote...
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The west awake,

Argyll 08/05/2009 11:13:04
27 Grahamski
It wasn't your name calling of Salmond which galled me, we see examples of such mindless drivel every day on these columns (on every side), but rather the complete brazen inaccuracy of it.
Your guy is clearly seen as a political featherweight and a nonentity in Scotland while Salmond consistently enjoys extraordinary support (even from Labour voters!) and you suggest we don't rate Salmond?
While I admire a bit of gallus now and again, asserting downright nonsense doesn't count.
Btw - as to Nats being thin skinned, I would remind you it's only recently "fashionable" to be Nat, when I started you had to have a thick skin to support the SNP, there weren't many delicate flowers that I remember!
- Possibly it is Labour supporters, - so long the Orthodox in Scotland - who are maybe feeling a bit unloved presently? Just a thought.
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Grahamski,

Falkirk 08/05/2009 11:13:33
29
Aye ok, there's absolutely no evidence to suggest that the average person finds politicians who shout a turn off.....
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Anndra Ailean,

08/05/2009 11:19:22
..... _________________
.................. (_______________)_)

Watch out for that clip!
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Grahamski,

Falkirk 08/05/2009 11:19:44
31
The only suggestion I made was that the view of your average party apparatchik doesn't necessarily match the view of an ordinary person. Just because somebody is wee, fat and sweaty shouldn't preclude him form public office. There's been plenty of wee, fat sweaty politicians who shouted a lot being successful...
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European Scot,

08/05/2009 11:42:03
32 Grahamski

"Aye ok, there's absolutely no evidence to suggest that the average person finds politicians who shout a turn off..... "

I believe the Brown one is pretty good at shouting too, usually accompanied by demonstrations of how mobile phones can be, along with laser printers, and who knows what else.
I do tend to agree about the irritation of too much shouting, which is almost as bad as the constant sniping that Alex gets from Ian Gray, desperately trying to score points.
What is refreshing about Alex, is that he speaks up for Scotland, something you rarely get from the Unionist side, and that is what he should continue to shout about, in a very loud voice.
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Anndra Ailean,

08/05/2009 11:45:42
#31 The west awake.
*****ists know they are persona non grata here and keep away most of the time like the wee pets they are.
We only have multi name syndrome agent provocateurs who have little or no sence when they turn up.
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The west awake,

Argyll 08/05/2009 11:48:06
Actually, while Gray was hardly impressive last night, I have seen him worse, and there was undoubtedly a real anti-Labour mood in the audience.
I thought Steel was very pro-Labour, indeed with the exception of a couple of remarks he could have easily passed as a Labour MP.
The worst I seen Gray was on Newsnight with Brewer before his elevation to leader in Scotland (or whatever Labour call their leader here). He was extremely bad that night, - so evasive and visibly thick that Brewer actually said "I would be better off speaking to you in Portuguese".
Do Labour really believe the average Scot is not aware of such things?
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Mercutio,

FALKIRK 08/05/2009 11:54:12
#36 So no one but cybernats should be allowed to comment?
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Grahamski,

Falkirk 08/05/2009 12:09:31
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Oh dear, there's nothing quite as dreary as engaging with an apparatchik....
if I was interested in poisonous gossip I'd go to GreetinFaceNat.com or one of the many pro-nationalist or right-wing tory (same thing, really)sites which keep up a steady flow of malicious lies and outlandish conspiracy theories. They are are quoted and cut and pasted on here ad nauseum by the un-hinged and psychotically boring cybernats...and ignored by everybody else....
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Grahamski,

Falkirk 08/05/2009 12:17:31
37
I don't think the audience were hugely anti-Labour, the BBC attempt to have a fair representation of views from across the political spectrum. I think that politically committed people watch differently from everybody else....being hyper critical of their opponents and blind to their own sides less than impressive performances...a bit like football really...
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Tormod,

Auld Reekie 08/05/2009 12:20:42
Graham @ 39 Being greetin face is a Labour party special, we cannae do this, we cannae do that etc.

Lack of ambition, talent and a knowledge of problem solving writ large in the Labour party MSP's

Your man Gray has no narrative.

I have a good pal who is Labour through and through and he admires Alex Salmond.
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Anndra Ailean,

08/05/2009 12:23:22
#38 Mercutio.
There is no room for window dressing on this forum
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TWC,

exLabour 08/05/2009 12:32:52
41 Tormod,

SLAB -- Lemon Sookers and petrol Syphoners, that's the look they all have.

They are just like the baddies in Shallow Hal

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Tormod,

Auld Reekie 08/05/2009 12:38:37
TWC@43 Agreed, No narrative nothing to offer but soor plooms.
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Grahamski,

Falkirk 08/05/2009 12:41:37
41
Tormod,
Who do you think believes that or recognises that characterisation?
The SNP pretend that their opponents are against independence because they consider Scotland too weak or too small to be independent. That is obviously an easy argument to counter. Unfortunately for the nats it is not an aregument their opponents actually employ......
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Grahamski,

Falkirk 08/05/2009 12:51:00
43
As an (ahem) undecided voter you come across as a...how can I put this delicately?.....
swivel-eyed, slavering, face-painted, tartanised, myth-peddling, Hadrian's Wall-rebuilding, Berwick-reconquering, Lewis Chessmen-repatriating, Melvin Gibson-loving, silly Gaelic-ish name-calling, paranoid, delusional, Nessie-believing, Brigadoon-dwelling, bagpipe-playing, shortbread-eating, Sandi Thom-listening zealot
...or maybe you're just a cybernat who thinks they can disguise themselves as the voice of reason who can't quite control themselves......
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Tormod,

Auld Reekie 08/05/2009 12:56:54
45 A great deal of the Scottish population.

What! You do realise you've just had your Wendy moment on the Politics Scotland couch with Glen?

So let me get you right, the Labour party at no time has ever used language to describe that an Independent Scotland would not be able to loo after itself or to have a decent standard of living, social provision be able to defend itself?

Start the clock Graham your are going to be in for a bumpy ride.
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TWC,

exLabour 08/05/2009 12:59:21
45 Grahamski,
I didn't say I was undecided, I said I was not a Nat and what I've decided can change. I have debated it positively with the Nats but you just can't accept that people are leaving the Party.

I HAVE decided I won't be voting Labour and here's why
No Trident
No Nuclear (at least till Waste plan is defned)
No Council Tax
Full Fiscal Autonomy

All of these were our policies and the Nats / Libdems now own them.

I know active Labour politicians who agreed with these aims why are they not fighting for them
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European Scot,

08/05/2009 12:59:35
39 Grahamski

Apparatchik what on earth are you on about ? Indeed what was the rest of your post about ?

" .... if I was interested in poisonous gossip I'd go to GreetinFaceNat.com or one of the many pro-nationalist or right-wing tory (same thing, really)sites which keep up a steady flow of malicious lies and outlandish conspiracy theories.... "

The information you refer to as 'poisonous gossip' came from the broadsheets in England, and is readily available to all.

I know some of you Unionists tend to live in a bit of a make believe World, what with reality not being too comfortable a place for you these days.
Your comments seem to suggest that your beliefs are sourced from somewhere other than reality.
It's my mistake of course, I foolishly thought I was engaging in an exchange of views with someone who had some semblance of reasoning, clearly not.
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Grahamski,

Falkirk 08/05/2009 12:59:56
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Tormod,
Again you use the language you wish your opponents used not what they actually use. It's called a straw man argument and it's pointless.
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Tormod,

Auld Reekie 08/05/2009 13:02:42
Graham :-

http://tinyurl.com/o787c6

Your starter for ten.
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Grahamski,

Falkirk 08/05/2009 13:04:43
49
The source of your 'poisonous gossip' was sourced by tory gossip columnists in the tory press and then spread by the psycho-nat websites. It was never reported as 'news' as you attempt to suggest.
I use the term Apparatchik loosely to describe a party supporter who is unable or unwilling to do anything other than slavishly follow their party's political line...that's what I'm on about.
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Grahamski,

Falkirk 08/05/2009 13:05:23
51
I don't do tinyurls........rather I can't if truth be known!
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Tormod,

Auld Reekie 08/05/2009 13:06:38
50 I don't know what's more funny, do you really believe what you have written

http://tinyurl.com/ocl2ar

I'll keep on going.
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TWC,

exLabour 08/05/2009 13:09:25
Tormod,
Have I upset Graham at 46???

Am I not allowed to change my political allegiance??

Definitely Megalomaniac behaviour or just fear of defeat. All those LAbour MPs out of a job in a recession-- they'll be like lemings jumping in the water
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Tormod,

Auld Reekie 08/05/2009 13:09:27
53 Oh right then so when, Ian Gray and Jim Murphy both say that an Independent Scotland would be bankrupt in the current climate, is that a point of fact or a political statement?

How do they know how an Independent Scotland would look like for example what model did they use?
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Tormod,

Auld Reekie 08/05/2009 13:12:35
TWC I think you have, your posts are never personal and are a joy to read, it must have been difficult for you to make the change a way from Labour, and very brave to admit that on an open forum as it is never easy to admit that especially to yourself.

old Graham is living in a fantasy World of the workers against the ills and evils of the World.
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Tormod,

Auld Reekie 08/05/2009 13:13:29
JCB for graham@52!
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Grahamski,

Falkirk 08/05/2009 13:15:06
56
Show me where they said Scotland 'would be bankrupt'?
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Tormod,

Auld Reekie 08/05/2009 13:15:36
http://www.theherald.co.uk/news/news/display.var.2459802.0.Murphy_in_arc_of_insolvency_attack_on_SNP.php
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Grahamski,

Falkirk 08/05/2009 13:16:33
55
TWC,
Not upset, amused.....
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Tormod,

Auld Reekie 08/05/2009 13:17:19
Graham I'll keep on going, you keep on digging.
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Grahamski,

Falkirk 08/05/2009 13:17:41
60
Tormod,
That link doesn't work.....
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European Scot,

08/05/2009 13:20:07
52 Grahamski

" The source of your 'poisonous gossip' was sourced by tory gossip columnists in the tory press and then spread by the psycho-nat websites "

Psycho-nat websites ?

You appear to be confusing the identity, and methods, of New Labour, with its culture of underhand smear tactics, and spin, with one of an open democratic Party.
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Tormod,

Auld Reekie 08/05/2009 13:21:58
63 Google it. I'll get you more diesel.
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TWC,

exLabour 08/05/2009 13:24:21
61 Grahamski,

What about those policies Graham, You are probably a lot younger than me but do you remember these policies.

What do we have from Labour at Holyrood on thes items?


Will you debate them? Why in the case of FF autonomy don't Labour at least establish it before th eTories take over the UK. Labour and the Nats could look after Scotland on everything except the Independence debate
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Tormod,

Auld Reekie 08/05/2009 13:26:32
http://scotlandonsunday.scotsman.com/sos-news-columnists/Iain-Gray-SNP-must-grow.5206574.jp

He said the Scottish economy would have been destroyed oooh get him.
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Grahamski,

Falkirk 08/05/2009 13:26:39
66
Cheeky monkey! In the meantime I got your link and I don't see your alleged 'Scotland bankrupt' quote anywhere. Is there a chance that you've been mis-quoting?
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Grahamski,

Falkirk 08/05/2009 13:30:05
68
"He said the Scottish economy would have been destroyed oooh get him."
I take it you disagree?
You seriously suggest that if RBS and HBOS had been allowed to fail our economy wouldn't have been destroyed?
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Tormod,

Auld Reekie 08/05/2009 13:30:51
Graham more more

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=omPGKfOoTok&feature=PlayList&p=6D4F81131C1E1D86&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=2
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Anndra Ailean,

08/05/2009 13:34:57
#53 Grahamski.
http://tinyurl.com/
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Tormod,

Auld Reekie 08/05/2009 13:35:33
69 I see, tell me Graham whats does insolvency mean?

70 He compared it to the Scottish annual budget, the sweetie money.
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Grahamski,

Falkirk 08/05/2009 13:43:42
73
Tormod,
Before you change the subject again I take it you accept you misquoted?
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Tormod,

Auld Reekie 08/05/2009 13:46:04
74 Nice try but no apple, what are you when you are insolvent?

Mind the utility pipes in Falkirk!
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Grahamski,

Falkirk 08/05/2009 13:47:48
73
You disagree that had RBS and HBOS failed our economy wouldn't have been destroyed?
Seriously?
75

Grahamski,

Falkirk 08/05/2009 13:48:29
75
Who's insolvent?
76

Tormod,

Auld Reekie 08/05/2009 13:57:19
76 His arguement and that of Labour through the entire banking fiasco is that an Independent Scotland would not have been able to survive and provide support to the banks, and they use the current Scottish budget as an example of this.

Again maybe you can tell me what financial model did the labour party use to produce metrics about an Independent Scotland fiscal position.

For example how long was Scotland Independent?

What was our currency.

Fiscal postion.

Current account figures?

GDP?

Inflation?

77 According to you beloved party Scotland is!
77

TWC,

exLabour 08/05/2009 13:57:27
61 Grahamski, is it a Body swerve? how about it

What about those policies Graham, You are probably a lot younger than me but do you remember these policies.

What do we have from Labour at Holyrood on thes items?


Will you debate them? Why in the case of FF autonomy don't Labour at least establish it before th eTories take over the UK. Labour and the Nats could look after Scotland on everything except the Independence debate
78

Grahamski,

Falkirk 08/05/2009 14:05:38
78
Tormod,
They merely suggested that a larger economy was better placed to get through an economic crisis than a smaller one. They also mocked the SNP's naive 'arc of prosperity' concept as the shallow piece of propaganda it really was.
79

Grahamski,

Falkirk 08/05/2009 14:06:59
TWC
Not so much a body swerve, more a complete deefy!
Sorry, but I've got to run. I will explain your errors later.....bye.
80

TWC,

exLabour 08/05/2009 14:13:35


Graham, I'll be surprised

Tormad

Does John Smith house finish at 3.00 on a Friday?

They always disappear early
81

Tormod,

Auld Reekie 08/05/2009 14:14:32
80 Tisk tisk, no they didn't, they said that Scotland would be insolvent, bankrupt and bust.

Keep on digging.
82

Tormod,

Auld Reekie 08/05/2009 14:15:23
82 Oh yes.
83

Don Roberto,

08/05/2009 14:54:05
Rumbles has previous form in the old assault stakes. It is rumoured around Holyrood that he once pushed an MSP's staff member to the ground and was forcibly removed from the MSP's office by astonished civil servants.
84

Time to Show Courage,

08/05/2009 15:15:31
Superb article Rab. Keep them coming. I had a good old belly laugh.
85

Elethiomel,

Edinburgh 08/05/2009 15:40:10
#85 You get some volume of made up rubbish on these boards but that has got to be one of the stupidest claims I have ever read on here.
86

Don Roberto,

08/05/2009 16:10:00
#87 Really, from what perspective? Is it the case that you know it happened and are trying to squash the rumour? Floor 3, 2007-8 ask around.
87

Elethiomel,

Edinburgh 08/05/2009 19:06:30
#88 My word your still going! Floor three of which building|? Surely not the MSP block?

 

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