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Published Date: 06 January 2009
CONTRACTS that prevent all hospital patients in Scotland benefiting from free parking would cost "tens of millions" to terminate early, the health secretary said yesterday.
Parking charges remain at three hospitals – Edinburgh and Glasgow royal infirmaries and Ninewells in Dundee – where car parks are run under private finance initiative (PFI) arrangements.

Nicola Sturgeon said she would like health boards to negoti
ate with the private firms involved to end charging or bring the costs down.

But Vinci Park, the company that runs parking at Ninewells, has already ruled out any renegotiation of its contract with NHS Tayside.

Ms Sturgeon said it was not possible to put a figure on how much it would cost to terminate the three PFI contracts.

"At the best estimate, we are talking about tens of millions of pounds," she said. "You have to make judgments about whether that is the best use of NHS resources, but we will continue to see what will be done."

Last week, parking charges were dropped at 14 hospitals, following a pledge by the SNP. Yesterday, the minister visited one of those hospitals – St John's in Livingston – to hear from staff and visitors about the impact of the change.

But she expressed regret that a postcode lottery remained, which meant that not everyone across Scotland could benefit.

At Edinburgh Royal Infirmary, for example, charges are capped at £7 for the day – compared with £5.80 for 12 hours' parking at one of the NCP sites at Edinburgh Airport.

Ms Sturgeon said: "I have always been very honest about the situation at the PFI car parks. I have never tried to kid anybody on. We didn't sign the contracts.

"We have always been opposed to PFI, but we are stuck with those contracts.

"I said to the health boards with PFI contracts that they should have talks with the companies to try to either find a way out of the car parking charges or bring them down."

She went on: "In Tayside, the company that runs the car park at Ninewells has said it is not interested in negotiating an end to the contract. In other health boards, negotiations are ongoing.

"So I am optimistic that we can start to see a downward trend in these charges, but I'll never be anything other than brutally honest that it does make it very difficult to achieve the same objectives as we are achieving in other car parks."

The failure to remove charges at all sites has angered the leaders of unions representing hospital staff, many of whom have to pay for parking unless they have a permit.

Tom Waterson, the chairman of the health service group at Unison Scotland, said: "There are no reasons why PFI hospitals should be exempt from government instructions.

"Private companies should not be profiteering from staff going to work and relatives visiting patients. We urge the government to make PFI car parks free as soon as possible."

Macmillan Cancer Support also called for an end to charges at PFI hospitals. "Hospital parking charges are a tax on illness," the charity said.


Glasgow Royal Infirmary

• The car park is owned by Impregilo Car Parking and managed by Apcoa.

• It costs £1.10 an hour to park at the hospital between 8am and 6pm, and £2 to between 6pm and 8am.

• Impregilo declined to comment on parking.

• NHS Greater Glasgow said: "We are considering, in conjunction with the Central Legal Office, how we can best approach this issue and include wider issues than limiting increases in charges. These complex contract terms will be dealt with through negotiation processes."

Ninewells Hospital, Dundee

• Parking run by Vinci Park Ltd under a PFI contract with 20 years left to run.

• Car parking charges at Ninewells are capped to £1.70 a day.

• A spokeswoman for Vinci Park said: "Vinci Park's position in relation to the ongoing debate over hospital car parking charges in Scotland is not to comment."

• NHS Tayside said it had had formal discussions with Vinci Park over terminating the contract early, but the company said they had "no interest in negotiating a contract buy out".

ERI

• Car park run by Consort under a PFI contract which runs until 2028.

• Costs £1.20 an hour to park at the hospital, with a £7 daily cap for those staying over six hours.

• A spokeswoman for Consort said: "The car parking charges are part of our 25-year contract which was agreed with the health board."

• NHS Lothian says it is in discussions over parking. John Jack, the director of facilities, said: "There is a contract and negotiations are ongoing."



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1

Jimmy Le Pie,

06/01/2009 00:03:47
The clowns that signed these PPP/PFI deals should be prosecuted.
2

Wardog™,

06/01/2009 00:10:03


Well we had tonight, David Whitton called for the Forth Road Bridge to be funded by the same PPP method, risking the necessity of tolls being re-introduced to Scotland's bridges......

What a shambles Labour are.

3

Jimmy Le Pie,

06/01/2009 00:11:50
I notice the unions are moaning.

Didn't hear anything from them when these ridiculous contracts were being signed??

Ah, it was New Labour Sleaze, wasn't it???
4

Lurking from home,

06/01/2009 00:13:29
SNP lies are like NuLabour lies.

They're blatant lies.

£7 a day isn't a king's ransom compared with the London Congestion Charge but it can be easily overcome by driving through the plastic exit barriers.

Plod is far too busy sourcing cheap pies and doughnuts to investigate car park fee evasion.
5

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06/01/2009 00:14:45
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Rock Lobster,

06/01/2009 00:19:17
#1

What clowns would that be then?
7

Yok Finney,

Ross-shire 06/01/2009 00:34:39
The warden is gibbering.
8

Brian Hill,

Edinburgh 06/01/2009 00:43:48
No doubt we'll have some London Labour spokesman attacking the SNP for not fulfilling its election pledge to abolish all hospital parking taxes (which of course they were more than happy to allow to continue).
9

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06/01/2009 00:45:41
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Wardog™,

06/01/2009 00:46:30


8. I'm sure he's slurring his r's


11

Wardog™,

06/01/2009 00:47:57


9. I pity you, your obviously upset and the drink isn't helping


12

Warden An' All, Reborn,

06/01/2009 00:59:52
11-Wardog™-Words from the beginning of a song called "Duality", by a group called slipknot.
A dire group with one or two interesting songs.
The other song of theirs I find interesting goes by the name of "psycososial"

Btw- do try realise the difference between you're and your. It does seem to be a common problem on this site.
13

Wardog™,

06/01/2009 01:10:11
12. Warden

I didn't have you down for hardmetal warden, I'd have thought you ere mroe Dark Side of the Moon...... or maybe a bit of the 'dogs of war'


14

Wisnaeme,

06/01/2009 01:31:12
If I were the Scottish government or a local authority backed by the Scottish government, I would be considering the feasibility of practical alternatives.

To go down an alternative route, one might say, Rather than bow down to blackmail and extortion by the privateers. Buying out is an expensive option. The equivalent of shadow tolling (parking charges) is something that's been tried and proved very expensive(the Skye bridge). One of the players involved in that scam, when similarly involved in the M6 toll road even attempted by persuasion to have that shadow tolled.

...and Westmidden said, No, no, no.

Surely there must be land near these impositions suitable for building car parks. Perhaps a shuttle service could be incorporated. Surely what with the virtual collapse of the construction industry a hard up player could be persuaded to part with some of their assets.
All things are possible sooner or later, despite the negativity from Westmidden branch offices and their pals, the privateers with their letters of mark.

...and would the union's comrade management object and pontificate negativity against their membership's interests? Do tell.
.
15

Julian.,

edinburgh 06/01/2009 02:01:06
Is anybody actually going to make an issue out of parking capped at £1.70 for the day at Ninewells?

We are where we are with these charges. And for those who say companies shouldn't be making a profit out of it, they will make a profit anyway even if the contracts are ended.

As for those saying this is a tax on the sick. Well, not really. It's actually a tax on the vast majority of people who choose to park their cars but could take public transport to these hospitals as an alternative or have someone with a car drop them off free of charge.
16

KampungHighlander,

Jakarta 06/01/2009 02:43:40
#5 Warden

I predicted on the Green Building thread that you would be your usual idiot self.

SNP having to clean up Labours mess again.

Thank God we will never see them in power in Scotland for decades. By that time we may have paid for their PFI fiasco.
17

Mareng,

Edinburgh 06/01/2009 05:52:43
At Edinburgh RI - It would require a fairly strict regime (and expense to run) to ensure that staff and bone fide visitors are allowed to park free (as they should)

but: Prevent the carpark being filled by commuters using it as a handy "park & ride".
18

donald,

glasgow 06/01/2009 06:55:31
Nationalise them.
19

Unimpressed one,

06/01/2009 07:28:12
Once the parking charges are abolished they should look into allowing people the use of their own phones within hospitals rather than being held hostage to NHS inflated prices. It is a myth that 'mobile phones interfere with hospital equipment'.
20

Warden An' All, Reborn,

06/01/2009 07:36:46
13-Wardog™-In the end you are just another brick in the wall.
My taste are eclectic, it’s the all encompassing unionist in me.
21

Warden An' All, Reborn,

06/01/2009 07:46:55
16-KampungHighlander- “I predicted on the Green Building thread that you would be your usual idiot self” – Why would I be anything else.


I have great faith in fools; self-confidence my friends call it. ~Edgar Allan Poe
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Warden An' All, Reborn,

06/01/2009 07:51:39
16-KampungHighlander-We still will have the tories closing the scottish parliament as a cost cutting exercise for farer demorcacy, or to you and me the funding of political parties at westminster.
23

Conan the Librarian™,

06/01/2009 08:31:57
20
The Strawbs for you then Warden?

Here was me thinkng you had a thing for masks with zips in them.
24

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06/01/2009 08:45:37
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57vintage,

Keith 06/01/2009 08:47:03
#20

Do you mean....

Speak only with your voices
And not the sword
Listen to your leaders
And the words of the Lord.
Shake hands with your brothers
Has been my theme
For I have had a dream
(Dave Cousins)
26

57vintage,

Keith 06/01/2009 08:47:48
Tsssssssssssssssssssch

I meant #24......

Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
27

Toast,

06/01/2009 08:56:48
Only one party to blame LABOUR ,all you Nat. knockers are talking your usual hot air.
28

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06/01/2009 08:59:45
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Edward,

06/01/2009 09:02:21
It was Labour that had Hospitals built under PFI/PPP, spouting (and still do) that its the most economic way to finance. What they evade and avoid answering is the point that we end up paying billions more to private companies for this benifit. Labour are a disgrace!
30

Calum10,

06/01/2009 09:11:45
PFI - Pure Feckin Idiocy

31

Miss H,

06/01/2009 09:22:58
4 £7 a day is £35 a week is around £150 a month. So members of staff who don't have parking permits (and that's most of them) and need their cars to get to work have to pay £150 a month for it?
32

Nikostratos,,

06/01/2009 09:42:23
As someone who has just spent a considerable time visiting at a hospital paying a small fortune in parking fees.Which i was not happy about and did not feel i should pay.
Although seeing all the staff and equipment etc needed to aid the individual i was visiting made me wonder what was more important me parking for free?. Or money which is collected from parking fees being used for ill patients lost to the hospitals budget

no i still don't like paying parking fees but i am not very happy with the alternative either.
33

Martinh,

06/01/2009 09:49:56
#32. Season ticket holders (and that's most of them) pay considerably less. A fair form of parking charge for essential users at hospitals would be equivelent to say a monthly bus pass. 'Free' parking at hospitals is a misnomer, car parks require maintenance and staff Management etc. A free for all policy wouldn't work either as clearly there are more cars than spaces. Some form of reasonable car parking charge must continue.
34

jackhobbs,

glasgow 06/01/2009 09:58:54
The trouble with civil servants dealing with contracts for PFI/PPP etc is that the civil engineers/building contractors are experts at producing a contract where they can spot all of the contractual nuances that will cost a lot of money to correct. The average intelligent senior civil servant will not take notice of all of these small but later on very expensive, due to contract change clauses, construction details. The construction industry are the past masters of turning over a contract to make money. They always win in the end inspite of the best intentions of the customer i.e. us in this case
35

Miss H,

06/01/2009 10:28:10
35 That is not true martinH - I used to work at the Southern General and still have a lot of friends there. The vast majority of staff were not given permits. They would have had to pay £7 a day. The argument is made that people should use public transport to get to their work. Yes, if that is practical. But if you have ever been to the SG you will know it is not that simple, particularly for staff doing early or late shifts.
36

Jimbo2,

06/01/2009 10:35:17
#34 Nikostratos.

What alternative? Do you really think the PFI companies use the money they make on parking charges to buy hospital equipment? The NHS pays for the staff and equipment. The PFI Co's are in business to make as much money as possible from the taxpayer, not to act as public benefactors.

Nor is it always the case that the company who owns or administers the car park also owns the building.
37

A True Scot.,

06/01/2009 10:59:37
33

Oh have a word wie yersell. Trying to find justification for hospital parking charges is just about a low and politically smarmy as you can get.
We pay a fortune in personal taxation in order to fund public institutes such as the NHS but consecutive dogmatic sh.t house governments choose to divert our taxes to political dogmatic criminal foreign policies instead.
Get out of this mind set that public services have to be paid for by continually increacing taxation way above the rates of inflation when there is more than enough public money available already if its wasnt being diverted to needless foreign policy.
Christ most sensible normal countries use their taxation internally first before considering their foreign commitments.
38

Soosie,

06/01/2009 11:07:45
#34. You're right about car parks needing maintenance, but at my local hospital (where the charges have been abolished thankfully), the money certainly was not spent on maintaining the car park (or anything else probably). The pot holes are so big and deep, you'd be lucky not to sustain an injury trying to get INTO the hospital! The revenue raised more likely goes on bonuses for the high heid yins.
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frank mcbride,

lusitania 06/01/2009 11:12:21
#34, Niko.

You know your words are the weasel word of a NuLabour apologist.

Not one penny of the PCs at PFI/PPP Hospitals goes to equipment or staffing!!!!!!!!!!!!
At other Hospitals, I would suggest the position is similar. If you can prove differently, please provide your verifiable proofs.

#35, martinh.

Another apologist for the Thatcherite Alliance that is NuLabTory.

There is no need for CP charges at Hospitals. People already pay for the NHS through both NI contributions and general taxation.

At minimal cost, controlled entry/exit barriers could be installed. Tickets could be validated in the appropriate Depts.
Anyone abusing the situation would be required to pay a penal charge e.g. £25/day or part thereof.

Please take your Thatcherite NuLabTory principles and place them where the sun don't shine.
40

Tom R,

06/01/2009 11:17:24
I listened to Whitton on Newsnight last night.

All he had to offer was criticism.

Not only did he have no ideas to offer, he ridiculously did not think that he should have any ideas.

Please, please, never let such brain-dead types back into power at Holyrood.
41

Martinh,

06/01/2009 11:28:02
#40. Typical attempt at stereotyping and insults from someone with nothing constructive to say. I won't respond in kind.....'because you're not worth it'. Grow up.
42

alanh,

ek 06/01/2009 11:31:08
can the locals not just start to superglue the coin slots in all the car parks and simply refuse to pay this TAX on the sick that the nu liebour party(north Brittian dept) and the Lib dums introduced?
43

alanh,

06/01/2009 11:37:50
#23 joe

"SNP could get an 'advance' from the UK treasury and promise to pay it back in 20 years? They won't be in power
for that amount of time and won't have to worry about paying it back.. what a wheez! Let future administrations budget for
the SNP popularity bribes."

Is that not EXACTLY what the PFI schemes actually are?
Getting private companies to build something and then let future generations pay thru the nose for the next 30 years.
The difference in the way the Scottish Government want to use old fashioned, conventional, socialist methods to pay for the new bridge are far more cost effective and fairer than the PFI the nu liebour ( North Brittian dept) are proposing
44

antifa,

06/01/2009 11:44:37
"I notice the unions are moaning.

Didn't hear anything from them when these ridiculous contracts were being signed??"

Then you weren't listening. Public service unions have always been at the forefront of opposition to private finance - and will continue to be whether the policy is called PFI, PPP or, as the Nationalists prefer, NPD.
45

A True Scot.,

06/01/2009 11:47:28
34

Idiot.
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frank mcbride,

lusitania 06/01/2009 11:49:56
#42, martinh.

No, not a typical attempt at stereotyping. A statement of fact!!!

You conviently contrive not to answer my comments. Why is this?

Martin, do you find it difficult to respond in an adult fashion? Or is it, simply, that you have no response?

I still await your supporting argument for your Thatcherite NuLabTory proposition.

The fact that you are not prepared to provide such says much more about your personality than it does mine.
47

Martinh,

06/01/2009 12:21:52
#47. How very dare you! It will be cold day in hell before I ever vote Tory, so your 'Statement of fact' is actually fiction. My argument for continuing with a reasonable car parking charge for visitors to hospitals based on an equivelent bus pass/daily charge is a pragmatic one, not a political one. I would do the same if I was a SNP supporter too. Season tickets for frequent users/shift workers either already are or should be discounted. I also believe in the 'polluter pays' principle, and see no reason why this should not apply to NHS car parking.

I have no problem with adult discussion, perhaps you should try one day, and not feel the need to include pejorative political stereotyping and references to orifices when replying to posts you don't agree with.
48

Martinh,

06/01/2009 12:28:11
#46. Looking in the mirror again?
49

Observer,,

Glasgow 06/01/2009 12:49:16
45 ''Positively Public''
50

John1988,

Lochgilphead 06/01/2009 12:51:07
It may not be popular but its a fact that ending parking charges will cost money.

A bit like Browns VAT cut.
51

frank mcbride,

lusitania 06/01/2009 13:00:42
#49, Martinh.

It obviously has passed you by, but it was you who was being offensive.

As for "pejorative, political stereotyping", your "pay for everything twice and thrice" is typical of the Thatcherite NuLabTory political credo.

Your pragmatism seems very personal. When it is extraordinarily difficult to use, or even find, reliable public transport to most hospitals it is crass to suggest the notion of "polluter pays".

Further, extrapolating from your "polluter pays" principle are you saying that RNLI, Volunteer firefighters etc. should be charged parking at their stations?

As I have already indicated, people pay for NHS services, including CPs, through NICs and general taxation; car users already pay polluter charges through inflated Fuel Tax.

So, in conclusion, in accordance with Thatcherite NuLabTory principles, in order to work in an NHS hospital, or be a patient, or visit a friend or relative in hospital, you are required, not only to pay NICs, IT, Feul Tax, Road Tax, VAT, but also PCs.

Truly, awe inspiring, especially from one who would suggest that he would never vote Tory. Open your eyes and read NuLabour policy.

Just one or two examples:

Doubling of 10% IT rate.
Stealth Privatisation of NHS.
Stealth Privatsation of HE.
Privatisation of Public Assets - Scottish Water etc.
Libertarian economic policy including the deregulation of the financial sector.
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frank mcbride,

lusitania 06/01/2009 13:02:53
#51, John 1988.

Your point is???????
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Hugh Roscombe,

06/01/2009 13:14:57
Warden

"Btw- do try realise the difference between you're and your. It does seem to be a common problem on this site."

It's always dodgy to criticise others' spelling mistakes. It leaves yourself wide open to having your posts analysed for spelling /grammar errors.
54

Miss H,

06/01/2009 14:12:10
45 If the unions were really against PFI/PPP why have none of them come out in favour of fiscal autonomy for Scotland?
55

Martinh,

06/01/2009 14:33:39
#52. I am now able to respond to you as you replied politely even though you are still unable to stop repeating references to former Tory leaders and pejorative ones to the present UK Government.

There is absolutely nothing in my original post (#34) that was offensive, but you chose to gratuitously insult me. I didn't suggest places to place your ideas that are hidden from the sun despite the provocation, merely hinting that your comments were adolescent.

The RIE is very easily accessible by public transport, other hospitals are not, and any charges for parking should reflect that. Many (eg Stirling) already are free and should remain so. However where there is limited space then reasonable charging would seem the only way to stop car parks from permanent full occupancy. Do you object to charge parking in City centres or is it just hospitals? The Edinburgh WGH is the classic case, just not space for everyone, but free shuttle buses for workers and visitors. Disabled access should always be a priority for hospital access.

Just one or two examples of my own. Labour has cut cancer deaths by 10% thanks to faster and better treatment in the NHS and more specialist doctors. The NHS has had more money allocated to it in the last 10 years than ever before and it is making a difference. I come from an NHS family, and need no lectures from you about so called privatisation of the NHS. It will never happen under Labour whatever you think.

It would seem that Nicola Sturgeon is also a pragmatist, not saying that the SNP Government will abolish all car parking charges at NHS hospitals but will try and restrict profiteering and unreasonable charging. Believe it or not I don't have any problem with this pragmatism, or any other consideration given to future public funding of essential building projects for the NHS or Schools. I don't consider all private funding as wicked in principle however-the new RIE would still be in the planning stage under the SNP.




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frank mcbride,

lusitania 06/01/2009 14:59:24
#56, Martinh.

You seem unable to see the wood for the trees.

The "pragmatism" shown by Nicola Sturgeon with regard to PCs is due to the ludicrous cost of buying out PFI/PPP contracts; all other Hospital car parking is now free.

Your belief that NuLabour will not Privatise the NHS is naive, in the extreme.

Are they not, at this very moment, permitting a two-tier service - if you can buy drugs not available on the NHS, you can get a higher level of service.

Are they not, allowing Health Boards to "buy in" medical/clinical staff from Agencies at up to £188/hr?

Are they not, continuing, in England & Wales, with the "internal market" which allows PLCs to provide in-house services?
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frank mcbride,

lusitania 06/01/2009 15:09:53
#56, Martinh.

I make no apologies for the reference to your Thatcherite NuLabTory views as your argument is explicitly that.

If you believe that the nomenclature of Thatcherite NuLabTory is pejorative, that is your problem. If you wish to demean yourself with pettiness, again, that is your problem. Finally, if the reflection of your own
views offends you, perhaps you should reappraise them.
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Nikostratos,,

06/01/2009 15:23:47
frank mcbride

this should chear u up and from the dAily mail as well




TODAY'S POLL

Should hospital parking fees be scrapped everywhere?
Yes
No %
VOTE
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POLL RESULTS

Should hospital parking fees be scrapped everywhere?

* Yes92%
* No8%

Thank you for voting

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1103402/NHS-apartheid-row-Scotland-scraps-hospital-parking-fees--charges-English-patients-soar.html



and what was you saying about Thatcherite NuLabTory views perhaps that should read Thatcherite NuLabTory NuSnp views


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politics/scotland/4126742/The-similarities-between-David-Cameron-and-Alex-Salmond.html

The similarities between David Cameron and Alex Salmond

the fact that the Nats and Tories are apparently singing from the same hymn sheet will undoubtedly please, if not amuse, the latter, even if it embarrasses the former.

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frank mcbride,

lusitania 06/01/2009 15:59:50
#60, Niko.

It's nice to see, is it not, that non-partisan policies directed at the Common Weal have such resonance?

Such a pity that the Thatcherite NuLabTories can't see the wood from the trees.
Envy and hatred are such debilitating emotions, are they not?
60

frank mcbride,

lusitania 06/01/2009 16:01:04
Niko,

Why was your # renumbered?
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Nikostratos,,

06/01/2009 16:10:05
#61 frank

dunno...AM2 at the bottom of it i bet
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Goody2Shoes,

EDINBURGH 06/01/2009 16:32:02
Most people I know who park at the RIE have to pay (do not have staff passes) as there is a waiting list for most important to least important. If you are employed there and being paid a Band 2(very little) the cost of parking each day is a fair amount to loose. This has to be taken into consideration when applying for jobs as the bus service to & from the RIE can take longer than the car and the bus does not always connect with the start and end times of the shifts. Maybe if more parking was available for staff and free staffing wouldn't be such a problem.
63

Finnking,

Lempäälä 06/01/2009 17:28:31
Letter from Gaza:

http://tinyurl.com/73fbby
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Martinh,

06/01/2009 18:16:57
#57,58. Frank McBride. Let me spell it out so even you will understand. Labour, which created the NHS will never, repeat never privatise it, it is the antithesis of everything Labour stands for, and why most workers in the NHS still put their trust in Labour. However, the NHS can never be totally inclusive with ever increasing demands on it, new drugs and treatments coming on all the time. There isn't a blank cheque to cover everything from colonic irrigation to major neurosurgery, or cash to adopt every new drug that comes on the market immediately.

There still is a post code lottery to an extent however, with different health boards prioritising different areas, and the use of agency nurses, and privately run contracted out services is entirely within the founding principles of the NHS. It is and always will be free at the point of use, and the concession that those who have bought in drugs not yet available on the NHS (perhaps due to discrepancies of clinical worth) and allow further care on the NHS are also within those guidelines. When it comes to major treatments/surgery/long term care only the NHS can cope, but if it is cheaper to contract out hip relacements for instance so what?

The Tories opposed the NHS, as did many Establishment doctors when the NHS was set up, it is their attitude to it that is susoect, and that is why it rankles with me to see Thatcher, Tory and Nu Labour (or Liebour if you are being really really original) appearing in the same phrase. Pejorative it is and pejorative it remains, and quite deliberately so by you and numerous others. Both my parents spent their working lives in the NHS, my father was a Consultant Neurosurgeon, and never had a private patient. He did not object to those who had private insurance buying a private room however. They paid for the privelege but didn't jump any queue for neurosurgery-that was based entirely on clinical need. You wont find BUPA covering the cost of neurosurgery and long term care that's
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06/01/2009 18:53:52
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Finnking,

Lempäälä 06/01/2009 19:08:43
Quisling Gogs

No, that was a hasbara message from GIYUS and not from HAMAS.
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06/01/2009 20:00:58
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