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Published Date: 28 March 2008
WENDY Alexander has experienced a torrid first six months as Scottish Labour leader.
Taking over last summer following Jack McConnell's resignation, she inherited a party still bitter from its first electoral defeat for a generation. She set about trying to reform her party, get it used to being in opposition, and one of her first ac
ts was to go to the UK Labour conference and apologise for the election defeat.

But then she became mired in a row over an illegal £ 950 payment to her leadership campaign fund, a controversy that escalated, threatening to bring her brief career as a party leader to an abrupt end. She was eventually cleared of any intentional wrongdoing by the Electoral Com m is sion .

Ms Alexander did suffer from back-biting and internal criticism over her attitude and approach in the Holyrood chamber, with some Labour MSPs feeling she was being beaten by Alex Salmond every week. Her decision to focus on small, apparently unconnected, events each week fuelled the impression that she was strug gling.

However, a series of more focused and aggressive performances have rescued the situation, to a large extent.

With all that behind her, this week's Scottish Labour Conference, which starts today, represents Ms Alexander's first opportunity to stamp her authority on the Scottish Labour Party and set it in the direction she wants to go.

Q & A: WENDY ALEXANDER
You have had a very tough six months as Scottish Labour leader. Have there been times when you felt like quitting?

No. Anyone who gets into politics knows it can be a rough trade. The political weather changes very quickly.

Who would have thought just a couple of months ago that Alex Salmond would be facing demonstrations when he steps out of his limousine, or that his flagship policy of local income tax would seem to be holed below the waterline within a couple of weeks of it making the light of day?

Who would have expected us to carry the day in the parliament in all three debates last week?

This is your first Scottish Labour Conference as party leader, but it is also the first time the party has been in opposition at its annual get-together since devolution. How difficult is that going to be for you?

It's hugely exciting because, in your first leader's speech, you get the opportunity really to set out your stall. Of course, defeat is never easy, but we are ten months on from that; we are almost a quarter of the way through this new parliament. There has been a lot of soul-searching and reflection, but I detect a feeling that the party is really moving on and now wanting to set the agenda.

We have been doing that in the parliament on big issues like the future of childhood, the nature of skills, and they are the sorts of issues which we will be taking to the floor of the conference this week.

So, although defeat was difficult, I think the party has picked itself up and is in good heart.

The Labour Party has lost members, activists and money over the past few years. You need more of all three to win the next election. How are you going to do that?

I think you probably find all mass-membership organisations, even ones we always used to talk about, like the RSPB, are finding a decline in membership, and that's totally because people's lives are changing. Ten years ago, if you wanted to talk to more than two people simultaneously, you had to go to a meeting. and now a very large number of us go on the web. I think really, behind the scenes, the single most important reforming change that we have made in the Labour Party in Scotland, and none of it has been visible, has been to move our entire campaigning infrastructure on to an online environment.

There is no doubt that in 1997 we felt we were ahead of the campaigning game and leading the field, but there were areas where we were out-campaigned ten years on, and one of the huge contributory factors to that was that we were operating in a CD-Rom and disc environment, and we didn't have a whole campaigning infrastructure for identifying Labour voters, for communicating with them that was on the web. We have moved that whole contact chain; all of that has moved online in the last six months.

Behind the scenes, there is a huge programme of training, for transforming the skills base of lay activists and lay organisers to work in that new online environment, to catch up some of the ground that we have lost.

Is that an admission that you were out-campaigned by the SNP last year?

I think certainly we were handicapped by the fact that we weren't online in the way the SNP were online, and we moved very quickly to fix that.

Is there anything else organisationally that you have done, or want to do, or need to do, to get Labour in a position where it can out-campaign the SNP in 2011?

Before, with governments talking to governments, we didn't need to worry about co-ordination at the highest level. But we have now established at the very highest level a joint liaison committee.

It is for Team Labour, whether Westminster and Holyrood, local government or the trade unions, to talk to each other regularly at the highest level, and that helps to set the strategic direction.

We have moved on from having our organisation simply being generalist to being specialist – specialising them in various areas of expertise.

We have acknowledged the fact that we haven't had a genuinely Scottish organisation for our councillors ever before, and we have moved to fix that with the Scottish Association of Labour Councillors. We have a distinctive Labour presence in local government.

We recognise that, although there are very large numbers of people in our ethnic communities who support the Labour Party, we haven't always allowed people from those ethnic communities to be properly represented in our own structures, and one of the things we will do at conference is launch an ethnic minorities taskforce and, indeed, we envisage having a full-time support function in place, very, very shortly.

In an environment where there are different boundaries and a large number of elected representatives, we need a candidates' agreement, which really becomes a contract between the party and its elected representatives, about expectations on both sides.

These are some of the reforms. It is not the whole of the programme, but phase one in dealing with our organisational challenges, all underpinned by moving the party on to an online, web environment for all of its campaigning activity.

What has become apparent to us is that, probably in four of the next five years, there will be an election, and where there is an election every year, rather than once every five years, you have to service and resource and support your activists in a very different way than we have in the past.

What is the big idea which is going to win you the next election?

We will offer new life chances to people in Scotland. Actually, improving their own lives is of much more interest to the people of Scotland than institutional or constitutional change.

This will come down to a choice between the people's priorities and Alex Salmond's priorities. The important thing is for Labour to make sure it is properly in tune with the people's priorities.

What are the people's priorities?

They want their children to get the best start in life. It's not enough just to give all three- and four-year-olds free nursery places; it is critical that every vulnerable two-year-old in Scotland gets a nursery place, a programme the SNP are killing off the pilot project in June this year.

I would expect us to be bringing forward amendments to try and see that decision reversed, because it is short-sighted.

There is an increasing concern over the character of childhood needing to change. That is why we brought forward a play strategy for Scotland, that children need safe outdoor places to play in and the parents need enough time to play with them.

There is a concern that our school system tends to the complacent. Killing the Schools for Ambition programme is a disastrous mistake. We need to move much more to personalised, one-on-one education and teaching within the system.

I think that the notion that the choices that we want to give people leaving school, not necessarily compelling them to stay on at school, the choice will either be to go to university, to stay on at school, or to go to a modern apprenticeship. That's the right way to go.

There is a selection of areas. There are more I will talk about in my speech, ways in which Scottish society wants change and sees a government that is obsessed by the short-term, rather than the long-term changes: like, how do we make sure that all children in our schools get the best chances – that's not a short-term project, that's a long-term project; that's critical to life chances.

You talked about the people's priorities versus Alex Salmond's priorities. Aren't people entitled to ask why you are spending so much time setting up a Scottish Constitutional Commission?

With respect, I am not. We have appointed a group of independent experts and I am happy to allow them to get on with the job. I only wish the government would do the same; they only seem to trust themselves and their own ranting bloggers to continue this discussion.

What would you say to those who say this Scottish Constitutional Commission is just playing into the hands of Alex Salmond, because it's going to loosen the ties between Scotland and Westminster?

Wanting the best for Scotland should never be seen as some political fix – it's doing what's in the best interests of the nation.

One of the interesting things is that, when we give Scotland the chance to air its views, it will actually say: we like the essentials of the devolution settlement.

I think the number of people who say: "We don't want education, health or criminal justice to be decided in Scotland" will be tiny and, conversely, the number of people who say: "I want financial services regulation or consumer law or employment law or pensions to come to Scotland" will also be commensurately small.

I think once it gets down to work, the interesting thing will be the extent to which people say: "The essentials of this settlement are sound and there is much more we can do within the settlement."

But – and I am no Johnny-come-lately to this – we haven't sufficiently matched power with responsibility on the financial side of things, and that is the area where I think a fresh look is appropriate.

How much support and help do you get from Gordon Brown?

I talk to the Prime Minister when I have to. I suspect the last time I spoke to him was a month ago. It's not a daily conversation.

Six months ago, people were saying: "Will Wendy be her own person?" and now we have a constitutional commission that is reviewing both the powers and the finance of the Scottish Parliament.

That is a decision I put on the agenda and I am glad it has come to fruition. We have done it on the basis of persuading others that the right approach was cross-party, in the first instance, north and south of the Border, and cross-Border.

How well do you get on with Alex Salmond personally? Do you like him?

I don't know him particularly well as an individual, and I think politics should be about the issues.

He and I are never going to agree about the future of Scotland, but nor do I think it helps to fuel personal animosity in politics. I think the public think there is rather too much of that around already.

Do you respect him as a politician?

I don't respect his vision for Scotland, but I think all party leaders have secured their positions because their parties feel they have a contribution to make.

What was the last CD you bought, or do you have an iPod and what do you have on it?

I don't have an iPod, although I have been known to listen to my husband's, and mercifully my children are not yet of the stage of demanding their own. The last CD I bought was children's action songs on Saturday for the long car trip I intend to take them on, on Monday, after conference is over and we have a few days off.

Do you sit with Classic FM, or do you listen to Radio 4 all the time, or what is your choice?

On Saturday mornings, Classic FM has been known to be on. I have to say my husband has decided to take up, or rather to retake up, the guitar in his retirement, having been a pop star in his youth – the Denvers, they were contemporaneous with the Beatles, of that ilk. They were a very old band who once made an LP, which has recently been re-released – you can download it.

So for the moment I have been in one room composing my conference speech to the endless strains of perfecting the chords of A, E and F.

I think we have had Auld Lang Syne and the theme tune to Night Garden (a CBeebies show] more than I would care to ever hear again.

What do you do to relax at home?

Play with the kids.





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  • Last Updated: 28 March 2008 9:02 AM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
 
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28/03/2008 00:14:40
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subrosa,

28/03/2008 01:02:13
Does anyone think Alex Salmond will get this amount of media coverage when it's the SNP conference? No bets over 10p please.
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28/03/2008 01:57:57
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David MacVicar,

web 28/03/2008 07:32:48
"I think you probably find all mass-membership organisations, even ones we always used to talk about, like the RSPB, are finding a decline in membership"

Wendy comparing the decline of New Labour to the RSPB!! Haahahaha. What a pLeader!

New Labour: 'Cringe' is what we do'.
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Hugo of Garven,

28/03/2008 07:37:00
" . . . we have moved to fix that with the Scottish Association of Labour Councillors."

A more fitting name would be the Scottish Union of Labour Councilors, SULK for short.
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Conan the Librarian™,

28/03/2008 07:55:28
Ranting blogger...hmm.

Nah.

I prefer cybernat.

The ranting bloggers are Highland Mighty and of course, AM2.
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OscarMacApfel,

Dumfries 28/03/2008 08:20:07
Re the 'Ranting Bloggers' the WENDY will soon have her own dedicated team, so all us ranters had better beware as Team WENDY are about to crank it up to 11 with the sinister sounding 'Contact Creator'.

From her interview with Mandy Rhodes at Holyrood.com:


"I suppose the other area is that in 2007, we only had a disc-based voter contact system and the SNP had an online version. So one of the things that is going on behind the scenes is the rolling out of Contact Creator, which is the first online voter database and a whole suite of web-enabled tools, including things like Print Creator, and we credit Print Creator with the success we’ve had in two by-elections - not much notice but we won the by-election in Kilsyth and we won the by-election in Cambuslang - and we’re about half-way through a whole winter programme of what we’ve called lay organisers’ training academies, so on a weekly basis, they’re being trained on this web-enabled environment and it’s really transforming the Labour Party from a mentality, which even ten years ago, people kind of thought, ‘oh, well, once every four or five years, you have a general election’, into one that says, we’re now in a continuous campaigning environment where we look forward to European elections next year, the general election the year after that, the Scottish Parliament election the year after that and the council elections the year after that, and really transforming our organisation for that environment."
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nabodican,

Rural Scotland 28/03/2008 09:24:04
Wendy could not find her way back with SatNav
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Alastair the First,

28/03/2008 09:40:59
"She was eventually cleared of any intentional wrongdoing by the Electoral Commission"

No she wasn't. She escaped prosecution, but she certainly wasn't cleared. You can't be cleared when you've provided a corroborated confession anyway. This is the Scotsman trying to re-write the facts.
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The Federalist (the poster formerly know as NAUON),

28/03/2008 09:43:21
I was distinctly unimpressed with Alexander's nomination in the first place. Having seen her and her brother in action since my student days I have always been somewhat underwhelmed by their ability to motivate people.

I do believe that I have been proven correct. Even before the fund-raising problems she was completely uninpsiring. Talk was that if she did not improve then she would get the chop. Ironically the fundraising isses may have temporarily extended her career - Labour will not get rid of her for some time to come as it would be an admission of guilt.

But I'd bet my bottom dollar that if she does not improve soon then she will not lead Scottish Labour into the next Scottish election.
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donald,

glasgow 28/03/2008 10:01:08
What a powder puff cringing interview. Has Wendy penned Hammy's next column yet?
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AJ Fife,

28/03/2008 10:12:16
Wee wendy's performance yesterday was a classic. You could see the steam coming oot her ears!! LOL

I think she might be in for a torrid time from her ain folk! As much as I enjoy her utter incompetence and uselessness, the average Labour supporter must be so embarrassed with her at the helm!

wee wendy forever!

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Mr Scotland,

28/03/2008 10:16:06
Soul searching? Surely the devil is not as kind as too hand it back so soon after pawning it.

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OscarMacApfel,

Dumfries 28/03/2008 10:20:27
From Mandy Rhodes excellent interview with the WENDY.

Right, let’s get the donor affair out of the way. How did she feel during that time?

“Well, I’ve spent my time trying to make sure it didn’t get in the way. A mistake was made and as soon as that mistake was made, the £950 was handed back, Charlie held up his hands and apologised to me and everyone else involved and then we simply had to await the outcome, and the Electoral Commission said that Wendy took significant steps but not all reasonable ones…and so we move on."
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Sgurr,

28/03/2008 10:32:19
"Soul searching is over and we are on our way back"

Thoughts:

1. Blimey, that was quick!
2. How deep into their soul did they search?
3. So is this now New New Labour?
4. If so, does it wash (with the public) and is it whiter than white?
5. Shouldn't it be the people who decide if they are on their way back?

I've seen absolutely no evidence to support this.
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Sgurr,

28/03/2008 10:33:16
Slogan:

New New Labour - Does it Wash with You?
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bully wee alba,

Edinburgh 28/03/2008 10:38:54
“One of the interesting things is that, when we give Scotland the chance to air its views, it will actually say: we like the essentials of the devolution settlement.”

Ahh, so we are going to have a referendum are we?
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alanh,

ek 28/03/2008 10:39:42
It didnt take long for her "soul searching". Did dishonest Wendy find one????????

"She set about trying to reform her party, get it used to being in opposition, and one of her first acts was to go to the UK Labour conference and apologise for the election defeat ". She, and her party just dont get it.They think it was a simple wee mistake and that our people will suddenly realise that we are only allowed to vote nu labs.
Does she NOT understand , even after her "soul searching", that its the POLICIES and dishonesty of nu labour that got her party ousted from power?
Does she think that we all button up the back and have forgotten that their many years in power have resulted in the problems we have in schools/hospitals etc today?
Has she forgotten , so soon, that she was NOT CLEARED of the charges from the EC over her dishonest behaviour over dodgy donations?
Dishonest Wendy is a total lame duck.We simply cant believe a word that trips out her mouth The only people that seem unable to understand that are her masters in westmonster and the tame "journalists" that give her views so many collumn inches without question or balance.
We need effective opposition for our government. She is simply not good enough.
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Mr Scotland,

28/03/2008 10:43:38
If I was a local farmer in aviemore I would get all my cattle in doors in case she rushes out and tries to hug something. They could seriously be at risk of blue tongue.
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Calum10,

28/03/2008 10:46:43
The piece by Hamish MacDonell just highlights how poor journalism is in Scotland.

Here was an opportunity to question in depth, not in length, Wendy Alexander's past actions, her attitudes to events, her leadership style and her relationship with Labour party leadership in London and with ordinary members in her own party.

A short series of questions focussing on a particular aspect, backed up by a follow up question on Wendy Alexander's initial reply is how it is supposed to be done.

The above by Hamish was a rambling piece of journalism that wouldn't frighten the most frightened of mice.

Mr. MacDonell should be rightly embarrassed by this, because he will not be made to forget it in a hurry.

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OscarMacApfel,

Dumfries 28/03/2008 10:47:38
Blue tongue you say Mr Scotland? Look no further:

http://www.moneymad.org/Previous/blue_tongue_disease.jpg
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subrosa,

28/03/2008 11:05:14
I do hope some of you are listening to Ms Alexander's webcast on BBC. Think it's perhaps the best farce I've seen since Brain Rix.
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Mr Scotland,

28/03/2008 11:21:08
"15 Mr Scotland,28/03/2008 10:16:06
Soul searching? Surely the devil is not as kind as too hand it back so soon after pawning it."

On Second thoughts perhaps it was carried out on a PFI / PPP Deal?
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Brian M,

Edinburgh 28/03/2008 12:43:55
Bendy Wendy, leader of the LondonControlledScottish labour party and now The Best Wee Prattler in the World
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Busymale,

28/03/2008 13:12:40
The absence of AM2 and her articles reference to ranting bloggers explains the sudden upsurge of Unionist drivel on this forum. Clearly they see this as part of the strategy to influence public opinion, and the absence of AM2 today proves he's at the Labour Party conference.

This is the same liar who replied to my numerous challenges to reveal himself and tell us who he really is. He claims he is not affiliated to any party yet copy / pastes statistics that would bore the pants off a statistician and make Adolf Hitler look the "honest man".

Get off this website permanently Labout apologists! It's for bloggers who wish to express an opinion not for those who wish to abuse the system to for their own ends. Would you really vote for this kind?

Finally, the "soul searching" for Wendy is incomplete. Had she done so she would have got lost in a padded cell. Convicts should never be allowed to be leaders.
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A Scott,

Glasgow 28/03/2008 13:22:44
Last week I saw a pair o feet stickin oot Wendys erchie .After reading this tripe (to quote AG) I now know who the feet belonged to.
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Findlay Thompson,

28/03/2008 14:10:16
Posters...

The grapevine states that HAMISH MACDONELL aka The Hootsmon editor is a fully paid up member of the Scotch 'New Labour Party'. I've never seen an article look so much like a Labour Party propaganda document.

NB The Labour media team could actually learn a thing or three from Hamish.

Prove me wrong posters!
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Ffion,

sewing shop 28/03/2008 14:15:22
can someone please lend me a needle and thread and I'll stitch my sides up-having just split them laughing! Scottish Labour and the RSPB? Dumb twittering feather brains sitting up high in the treetops c@*#ing on everyone?
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zorba,

airdrie 28/03/2008 14:40:41
has wendy alexander actually had a thought as to why the people voted for the SNP. mainly because they were sick and tired of labour's corruption at Local level and a first minister more interested in Golf than the people. lots of broken promises. drug infested streets. high levels of violence and no policemen. Ye wendy we really want you back, you aint no arnie
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Jock Politicaljunkie,

Glasgow 28/03/2008 14:48:15
Wendy was also intervied online by the BBC. If tyou think the Scotsman one is funny try this - especially as Wendy claims to have been soul searching, listening to the people, learning lessons, and moving on from her financial shenanigans -
well she completely blew that away with the following excerpt from the BBC interview:

...During the web chat, driven by questions from BBC viewers, listeners and online users, she was asked to score herself out of 10 for her performance since being elected leader unopposed in September last year.

"Rising all the time, I think is the answer," said Ms Alexander, adding: "Ten out of 10, 10 out of 10."

I was totally and utterly gobsmacked!
I guess she has not lost any of her ability to shock and astound.
DIS SHE REALLY SAY THAT?!?
"Vast Intellect"?!? - Who the hell coined THAT phrase??
To be tripped up by such a lame question!! - though full marks to all those that submitted it - you possess a level of subtlety that I do not.

I'm no shrink, but this woman has lost it. Wendy must be CLINICALLY DELUSIONAL to think her performance rates a 10/10 score. Is she seriously admitting, therefore, that there is no scope for any improvement??

If I was in the SNP I would have posters of Wendy, pictured along side that quote, running the length and breadth of the country -
but then again the subtle approach, I guess, would be to just stand back with a spare shovel in case hers breaks.
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Brian M,

Edinburgh 28/03/2008 15:45:25
self assessment, you can't beat it.

Wee bendy is now The Best Wee Delusional Politician in the World
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Highland Mighty ,

28/03/2008 20:53:04
This is the tightest settlement imposed on Scotland since devolution, and not even Arthur Midwinter disputes that.

In 2003/4 the Scottish Executive received 11.5% above inflation; next year it will be getting 0.5%, rising to an average of 1.8%.

The Treasury may come to regret this parsimony at a time when Scottish oil, at $90 a barrel, is pouring cash into the Exchequer.

In the end, voters may be more tolerant of an SNP administration that tries and fails than of a Labour administration that celebrates its own mediocrity and cramped ambition.
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Sanny,

PORTUGAL 28/03/2008 21:58:55
As the daughter of the Manse and should know where to look for her soul - in hell with the rest of the liars cheats and those as corrupt as herself.
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Auckland Arab2,

29/03/2008 03:45:38
So will the Scotsman be printing this story....

"During the web chat, driven by questions from BBC viewers, listeners and online users, she was asked to score herself out of 10 for her performance since being elected leader unopposed in September last year.

"Rising all the time, I think is the answer," said Ms Alexander, adding: "Ten out of 10, 10 out of 10."

Maybe she was talking about her IQ!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/7317115.stm
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Reckless,

Neo Labour liars 29/03/2008 07:20:45
Wendy Alexander is a deluded cow. Bring them all to trial. The only way they can win another election is if they bring Mugabe in as an election consultant.
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Reckless,

Neo Labour = 21st century Nazis 29/03/2008 07:22:32
Yes, I agree. Very difficult to get your soul back after you've exchanged is for 30 pieces of silver.
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Matt there,

somewhere 01/04/2008 00:16:02
"However, a series of more focused and aggressive performances have rescued the situation, to a large extent."

Hamish! Wake up! Your dreaming and rambling in your sleep!

Just because Wendy shouts more and more like an elderly fishwife at an old time coastal market, does NOT mean that her performances have rescued the situation to ANY extent, let alone a large extent.

 

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