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Published Date: 31 October 2008
PREDICTING by-election results is about as scientific as taking a punt on Cabinet reshuffles.




One always has to be suspicious when parties concur. But the SNP and Labour appear to agree on one thing: Glenrothes will go Nationalist.

Neither side has been brave enough to predict an exact result or offer suggestions on a spread bet. B
ut both appear to be ignoring the narrowing bookies' odds.

There is a sense for Labour that, after the stuffing at Glasgow East, it would be happy to avoid humiliation in Glenrothes – and this does not necessarily mean winning. Spin doctors have deployed their best efforts at expectation management, saying Labour is the underdog, despite holding the seat. The council is run by the SNP, which also holds the Holyrood seat. The Nationalist campaign team is also slicker.

As one senior Labour Westminster source said: "On paper we can't do it. Much as I would like to see the SNP stuffed, I don't think we will pull it off this time."

However, others report there has been much more "affection" for Labour on the doorstep than in the Glasgow East campaign.

They believe that there is a "very good reception" to Gordon Brown, certainly compared to the call for his blood after the 10p tax debacle that dominated Glasgow.

But no source will say that Labour is on course to win.

The SNP, however, has no such qualms. It is concentrating on "switchers" – those voters tempted to go to the SNP.

Meanwhile, the SNP has reported a rush for applications from its supporters for postal vote forms, even though the deadline has passed.

This, insiders say, proves the SNP vote is highly motivated.

Once again, the Nationalists also appear to have much better voter records, so they know which households to target and how the vote is likely to go.

Sources believe they will gain a bigger majority than the 365 in the Glasgow East knife-edge.

There are pockets of the Fife seat where residents are telling SNP canvassers by two to one they will support their party. Clearly activists are struggling to keep a lid on their glee and failing miserably. One Labour source conceded: "If the SNP are predicting a win, they are being more realistic than hubristic."







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  • Last Updated: 30 October 2008 11:36 PM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Glenrothes by-election
 
1

FrancesP,

31/10/2008 00:33:37
With people receiving soaring heating bills this week, it's hardly surprising if they want to send the Labour government a message by voting SNP.
2

An Beal Bacht,

31/10/2008 01:02:51
Don't know what to think of this article.
3

alba nach,

Tarbert 31/10/2008 01:15:26
#4, don't worry. When the editor gets back from his break I'm sure he'll delete it. Then readers in Scotland can return to their regularly scheduled daily dose of unionism from the hootsman.
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Keren, It's time,

We all live in a yellow and black submarine!! 31/10/2008 01:16:10
Lookin' good.

'Affection' for Labour on the doorsteps?? Er wot?

As for Brown 'campaigning' there, he has met 7 Labour stooges with the media kept at arms length and no doubt the er 'public' meeting will be stuffed full of Labourite clones.

On the other hand Nicola Sturgeon went into one of the largest shopping centres in the area last week and spent FIVE HOURS talking to voters ie anyone who wanted to talk to her.

That's campaigning.
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An Beal Bacht,

31/10/2008 01:26:31
Does this mean Broon will resign? Say yes ... please!
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Traquir , Alba,

31/10/2008 01:36:29

Any feedback from SNP activists on the ground
on how things are going ?
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An Beal Bacht,

31/10/2008 01:42:56
8Traquir , Alba, 31/10/2008 01:36:29

Naw - they've been schtum!
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Traquir , Alba,

31/10/2008 01:47:13
9 An Beal Bacht,

"Naw - they've been schtum!"

Yep, kind of strange with Glasgow East there was
much more interaction between the bloggers and those
on the ground. Certainly impressive if this story
is true, but given The Scotsman clearly must
be taken with a ton of salt.
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31/10/2008 03:09:35
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Traquir , Alba,

31/10/2008 03:13:35
A good YouTube video of all that Labour has to
offer the people of Glenrothes

see - tinyurl.com/55j95z
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Angleland Isover,

31/10/2008 07:04:28
Maybee if they sent more reporters to warminster then we could have more unbiased stories instead of the usual source.
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31/10/2008 07:40:17
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Richardinho,

31/10/2008 07:42:48
I would never prejudge an election result myself.
I've yet to see an opinion poll for Glenrothess. Has there not been any done?
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31/10/2008 07:49:00
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The Tin Man,

31/10/2008 08:04:15
#17 sm

....Well it certainly commands your loyalty, Mr sm.
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31/10/2008 08:10:26
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31/10/2008 08:26:09
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Michael,

31/10/2008 08:59:23
I've just about fallen off my chair, stopped breathing and had a heart attack. A positive article about the SNP in the Scotsman.
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31/10/2008 09:05:07
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31/10/2008 09:05:10
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31/10/2008 09:06:35
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31/10/2008 09:10:05
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31/10/2008 09:14:12
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Marian,

31/10/2008 09:16:57
New Labours record at Westminster:-

Increasing tax on the poor...

Funding unnecessary murderous wars...

Overbloating public services...

The abuse of fuel taxation and it's consequences...

Damaging raids on our pensions...

Undermining the wishes of the Scottish Parliament...

Promoting the abomination that is Trident...

Illegal and underhand party fundraisng...

Expanding the compensation culture...

Eroding personal freedom...

Increasing Benefit dependency and the great Tax Credit swindle...

Abusing their powers for personal fundraising...
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Doh,

31/10/2008 09:18:25


Sadly whatever the result abour will claim some kind of victory. They are masters of spin.

Labour have led us into a recession and that will make it impossible for them to win the next general election despite their current bounce.
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Andrew Allan,

31/10/2008 09:24:19
I have been both old labour and new labour in the past, and I believe they do a good job on the whole if you are south of the border, but as for us north of the border the westminster government has done nothing but kick us in the teeth in the last fifty or sixty years since the brake up of empire. Though they didn't do much for us before that time.
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izzie,

dundee 31/10/2008 09:24:34
Could it be that the snp bettinbg story comments were removed because it was too easily disproved. Asd to affection for Labour on the doorsteps - in my experience the affection expressed is for the Old Labour values and the dignity of the Old Labour party most voter view these New Labour spinners with embarrassment.
28

brownlie,

31/10/2008 09:25:26
22 MacGillicuddy

It may have been because of some clown cloning Traquir. It looked like one of Paisley Pete's rants.
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31/10/2008 09:26:49
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Miss H,

31/10/2008 09:28:05
Nobody knows who is going to win. If I had to guess I would say the SNP looks on course but anything could happen in this by-election. It's a genuine knife edge scenario.
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Steve,

Glenrothes 31/10/2008 09:30:37
The article about the SNP allegedly rigging the betting was an out and out lie, but clearly very carefully worded so nobody could sue the paper. Nobody I know received any such e-mail. Sadly the comments were pulled before I could add mine.

As for this story, I'm naturally suspicious. The SNP have campaigned longer harder and more vigorously than Labour, but anyone checking out the recent boundary changes could see they were always the underdog. It's probably about neck and neck just now. So dont be lulled into a false sense of security. The SNP can win and I think they will, but they need to get stuck in, every spare hour of daylight left. Get to work.
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Edward,

31/10/2008 09:33:34
#22
Comments removed from the SNP Betting story by Labour Journalist Hamish MacDonnal due to everyone relaising it was a made up story by Labour
Scotsman doent like being exposed this way, so instead of retracting the story, it removes comments
Sadly this is the way this paper is run
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31/10/2008 09:35:52
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Miss H,

31/10/2008 09:37:36
9,10 - it's not like Glasgow East. Glasgow East is a much more compact constituency and you could actually feel the buzz wherever you went. Also, it was summer, people were out in their gardens, there were hordes of children following the campaigners about, everyone was talking about the by-election. It was just buzzing, which was why we knew we were on course even though the polls were saying otherwise.

Glenrothes is much more spread out geographically, there are lots of wee villages as well as the town. And it's cold and wet and pretty miserable a lot of the time! I don't know anybody saying they have a 'feel' for the whole constituency the way we did at Glasgow East. The canvassing I have been doing has been going very well and that's what other folk are saying but we do not know if we will win and I guess it's the same for Labour. For the other parties it's a question of whether they hold on to their deposits.
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31/10/2008 09:41:18
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Scythia,

Alba 31/10/2008 09:44:15
The pot calling the kettle black. There is no substantial difference between them at this bi-election so they resort to squabbling over opinion polls, pathetic.
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31/10/2008 09:44:33
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Miss H,

31/10/2008 09:45:39
As regards the idea of 'affection' for Labour on the doortseps. Politeness maybe. Glenrothes voters are very friendly and polite, I've never had a door slammed in my face and told to eff off which happened a number of times in Glasgow East. But the fact that they are nice to you doesn't mean they are going to vote for you.
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31/10/2008 09:49:04
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izzie,

dundee 31/10/2008 10:04:38
As said on radio this morning it will be the party who gets its activists out that will win. Incidently I have rang round fellow branch memebers and to date have not found one who ever recieved an email instructing them to bet on the Party to win in Glenrothes.
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karinxxx,

31/10/2008 10:15:03
I wonder if mediawatch could sue the scotsman because the article on the betting thing says
The SNP initiative has been organised by Mediawatch2008, a fringe lobbying organisation loosely attached to the Nationalist movement


However mediawatch says that it

has no official connection whatsoever with the SNP
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democracy,

Scottish Borders 31/10/2008 10:16:23
#43 sm 7531/2, nothing new here, it has always been the same, all Unionist agendas are identical, untruths, dishonest, self-serving,British Nationalists
whose ideals are knowingly to the detriment of the Scottish people,but don't care.

It's the "I'm alright jack, stuff you" syndrome.
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democracy,

Scottish Borders 31/10/2008 10:26:50
It was always going to be clear that the so called 'Scotsman' and their cohorts the so called 'Scottish NEW Labour Regime' were going to pull out all the dishonest moves to save their beloved incompitent PM from more humiliation!

I will not be surprised if they pull it off, to the detriment of Glenrothes and Scotland!

I am also a member of the SNP and have NOT received ANY email instructing me to place a bet on the party!!
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TWC,

Ayrshire 31/10/2008 10:49:35
Labour do have a chance so long as nobody asks them what they will do for Scotland, and to be honest the Media are letting them away with murder.
Nobody will ask them what their policies are but they have demanded that answer from every other party standing at Glenrothes.
If I find an unbiased news paper I'll switch to it.
They all become the same as the Daily Record
45

Stand Free Don,

31/10/2008 11:10:15
41

do you actually believe the drivel that you come out with? And or, do actually think other people believe what you rant?

“Labour need to increase their majority to get a “victory””, what nonsense. A win is a win, especially after the last two Scottish by-elections. Let me also remind you that the weekend’s youGov poll in the times is the first one to have Labour ahead in Scotland on Westminster voting intentions in a while. Add this to the Gnat’s holding virtually the same seat at Holyrood (yes it is slightly different, but not hugely so).

You actually remind me of some of the more lucid McCain who busily try to say that Obama is doing a bad job because he is not more than 20 points ahead, given all the trouble in the states at the moment.

Glenrothes will be very very tight, but when putting that cross in the ballot box, I think a lot of people will think about all the added charges the SNP lead admin in Fife council has added, and who leads that council.
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Tormod,

Auld Reekie 31/10/2008 11:24:34
54 on the care charges I thought that these charges affected 400 folk, as the changes have removed 1000 from the scheme all together.

The Daily record had an ex teacher that had a greater income than myself as an example of somebody who was affected, bad example.

If you cannot afford the charge you don't pay. So if you are going to boil this down to numbers will the number of folk you have been affected by the council tgax freeze be less or greater than those affected by the care charges? Or the cost of heating your home is less or greater than than the charges?
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Queen D,

Glasgow 31/10/2008 11:31:58
http://tinyurl.com/5b2yoz
Enjoy!
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Auld Twa,

Edinburgh 31/10/2008 11:46:25
#37 Betting on election.
Wonder why the comments have been cleared. We put in a denial as no such email has been received by any member we know.
Anyway our bet has been on for some time, suplements the pension !
49

The Federalist (the poster formerly know as NAUON),

31/10/2008 11:47:11
"36 Miss H,31/10/2008 09:28:05
Nobody knows who is going to win. If I had to guess I would say the SNP looks on course but anything could happen in this by-election. It's a genuine knife edge scenario."

I'd have to agree - I would not be surprised if there were recounts on the night. Whoever wins won't win by much - a thousand votes or so I would guess.
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FLUB,

a rocky outcrop in eastern central Scotland 31/10/2008 11:53:29
As one of the 'floating voters' here on the rocky outcrop's new town, I am, naturally, watching the proceedings with interest, as I did the Glasgow East by-election.

From the television coverage, I have noticed something about the SNP campaigning in both constituencies. Why does Alex Salmond do all the talking?

We heard nothing from John Mason during the campaign - and very little since - and he's leading Peter Grant (who I don't rate very highly - they could have done better)about like a wee boy, and he has not said anything on TV either.

His only verbal participation has been a local paper sponsored hustings.

Lindsay Roy is not telegenic or inspiring, but he at least has been heard; so, can any of the myriad Nationalists explain this to me, rationally and without resort to gratuitous personal insult or silly comments about Unionism please? Thank you.
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31/10/2008 11:57:27
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subrosa,

31/10/2008 11:59:15
I think this is far too close to call. Hopefully the good people of Glenrothes and district will see through the constant labour propaganda in this paper and the Herald.
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TWC,

Ayrshire 31/10/2008 12:00:21
59 FLUB,
I must admit I got the very opposite impression, I have not heard a single Scottish policy from Labour.
They will not talk about what they will bring for Scotland.
We only get to hear what the media allow us to.
Even when the two guys were on all they were asked about were Devolved matters and Council Business NEVER reserved matters
eg how will Scotland be financed?? it is the elephant in the room and it has never been raised.
It is rightly the biggest point of contention especially in the near to medium future.
Give us control of our money.
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subrosa,

31/10/2008 12:02:51
# 59

On the occasions the media have interviewed Peter Grant he's done a reasonable job. Problem is the media are only interested in Alex Salmond (although Peter Grant is always given time to say a paragraph or so). On television the editing is such that Peter Grant's part is cut.
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31/10/2008 12:06:31
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Stand Free Don,

31/10/2008 12:29:32
64

That is a new one, "dont like the look of that poll, how can we discredit it? oh i know, lets say it was biased, english constituencies etc"

Frankly, i would tend ton trust youGov (even though they slant to the tories), over some online poster, who from evidence above, does not know what they are talking about.

If you want to talk numbers, think of this. Turnout will be down from last westminster election (this does hit everyone, but historical evidence shows that the incumbent party gets hurt more), the nat's won the seat little over a year and a half ago at holyrood (smaller majority but a gain none the less, and two other by-elections in scotland with bigger majorities (Dunfermline and Glasgow east) have gone nat, and crewe and nantwich had a vote turn around of 14,000 odd, went to the tories.

To say that a reduced majority win for Labour is a defeat is frankly stupid, and i repeat, you remind me of the more lunatic McCain “supporters” that I see posting elsewhere. Considering that no “informed” commentator, or even any commentator period has mentioned anything like what you are saying, shows that you are either raving, or more likely trying to spin for the Nat’s, just in case something goes wrong for you people next week
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FLUB,

a rocky outcrop in eastern central Scotland 31/10/2008 12:33:22
#62 - while I have a different impression from you obviously, I would agree about the Labour 'content' of interviews. It almost never mentions any pertinent Scottish or constituency issues.

I still think Peter Grant is being sidelined - whether that's selective editing (which hadn't occurred to me) or Alex Salmond's ego, they need to get that sorted. AS is not the SNP and vice versa.

The seat is not yet in the bag, and as a local, I can tell you that Labour are still not putting on a good show. The laughable performance by the Prime Minister in visiting a cafe in a leased factory unit on an industrial estate, next to the campaign HQ (which I wasn't aware existed - think I'll toddle down for a pot of tea and a scone)has p**d off a lot of people, as has the fact that they edged out better local candidates in favour of who they have.

As a floating voter, and scene observer, SNP need to get a bit more media smart - the TV are making them look like it's a one man show, and that's never a good idea.
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FLUB,

a rocky outcrop in eastern central Scotland 31/10/2008 12:35:54
The over sensitive censorship on this forum gets worse! It wouldn't let me type the word spelt, enn eye pea, so I had to use 'toddle'

Does anybody, outside of 1970s Commando comics, still use that as a term of abuse. Honestly!
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Jimmy Le Pie,

31/10/2008 12:38:43
With regard to the blatant bias shown by our so called "quality" newspapers, I have managed to get the oil platform I work on, to cancel both the Hootsmon and The Herald due to their shockingly poor coverage of Scottish affairs.

It's only 4 copies of each, for 5 days a week but it's a start.

It's the only way we can fight back - boycott both papers!!
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31/10/2008 12:39:47
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31/10/2008 12:41:19
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Arfur,

31/10/2008 12:55:06
That betting story is a disgrace. Hamis gets more pathetic by the day. This rag needs to seriously readdress the people they imploy. They wonder why circulation is dropping like a stone as well.

FLUB - all the candidates were on a debate show last night. Peter Grant altho maybe not the most inspiring man in the world came across well with a good knowledge of what he was talking about and had a determination about him. Lindsay Roy however spend the evening ducking and diving round questions without giving any pledges and had to even say 'I dont know' quite a few times. He stuck to the Labour tactic we all know and hate and that was to just attack the SNP on anything and everthing whether that be the minority cases of elderly paying more for care (altho more now pay less) or picking out the minority cases (found by their super computer) that would not be better off with LIT.
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Arfur,

31/10/2008 12:55:34
That should be Hamish.
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TWC,

Ayrshire 31/10/2008 12:55:46
66 FLUB,
It is nice to be a floater(forgive the term)you have a certain freedom.
I thought the claims of Bias in the media were imagined but I have to admit I see pro Labour bias all across the media(I don't like New Labour so you need to keep that in mind).
I will in future base my vote only on positive policies. so if they don't say it on their leaflet they won't get my vote
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Arfur,

31/10/2008 12:56:08
imploy???? Typed quick and didnt spell check.

Sorry.
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Miss H,

31/10/2008 12:56:54
55 The care charges thing has not been raised a single time with me. It's not an issue on doorsteps. There are loads of Labour councils that charge more anyway, it's a completely manufactured row, manufactured for the press I mean. If Labour wants care charges to be non means tested they need to tell their councils that and they also need to tell them where they are to get the money from.
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Miss H,

31/10/2008 13:03:47
59 Alex will be doing most of the talking on TV because that's who the journalists want to talk to. But you only get a skim of the campaign by watching media coverage. There are almost 70,000 electors in Glenrothes. Every one of them needs to be contacted either by telephone or on their doorstep. It's a massive job. Peter Grant is spending his time talking to hundreds indeed thousands of voters face to face. That's actually how elections get won.
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Miss H,

31/10/2008 13:06:37
65? Who are you? Why are you getting involved in this?

Seriously, if you think the SNP won Dunfermline West you don't know much about Scottish politics so why the aggressive tone?
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pehman,

sussex 31/10/2008 13:19:48

Re the SNP e-mailing of members to place bets on the Glenrothes by-election, all I can say is that I'm a member and althouth I have recieved several e-mails about Glenrothes, I have NOT recieved any about placing bets.
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MoClana,

31/10/2008 13:36:53
This member never got that email either, i have recieved every other Glenrothes update...but strangley nothing on placing betts????? Hamish wheres your source.?

The stupidity of the 'rigging' article is that it alledges the SNP activists are placing betts to counter those betts already placed by Labour activists

But somehow its the SNP 'rigging' the result?????

Yet more blatant rubbish printed, the Unionists are really raising the stakes here, if they fail to win this seat after throwing everything and the kitchen sink at it, then they are truley finnished and the last nail in the Unionist coffin will be hammered ...well and truly.



Soar Alba
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roughrider,

Glasgow 31/10/2008 13:48:08
78,79.
Me too.
The unionist press is in blind panic, that other labour rag the herald is pulling comments on almost every liebour propaganda press release that it printed today.
Vote SNP for a better life.
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pehman,

sussex 31/10/2008 13:53:39

MoClana and all other SNP members, lets get together here and sue the hootsmon and herald about this bets thing.

I have never recieved any e-mail suggesting this and it seems none of the others have either.

As I live here in sussex, I'm a bit out of the way, but if anyone in Scotland were to raise an action against the herald/scotsman then I will make a finanical contribution to it.
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Stand Free Don,

31/10/2008 13:57:55
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fair point about dunfermline sorry. It was more re by-election results in the last couple of years than anything else.

as to who i am and why am i getting involved. sorry, i did not realise that this was a gnat only club and that anyone with a dissenting voice must be silenced. Actually this is an open forum, so i will say (within moderator limits) what the f*** i like, and on what topic i like. You ask me about aggressive tone, try checking posts above from your gnat friends and tell me how friendly they are.

You people live in a bubble (maybe not you =, miss h, but certainly others), get very personal when something says something they don’t like. Criticism is fair, but personal insults are just sad.

I am glad to say that in a number of trips to Glenrothes i have encountered a fair few people who have mentioned care charges, LIT, rubbish, anti-social behaviour problems and the council not repairing council housing stock. All these things are the responsibility of the council and its leader, Peter Grant.

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if you think that, I guess you have never looked at voting figures, turnout etc, because if you had, you would know that differences in turnout affect different parties on a different scale. Yes it effects everyone, but it different amounts. Ie the tories lose less proportionally on a lower turnout than Labour do, and the libs different again as the Nat’s will be.

And 69

I think you will find that may be for their marginal constituencies poll, not the one done for the SCOTTISH constituencies, by adults in SCOTLAND
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pehman,

sussex 31/10/2008 14:04:58

Further to my post @ 81, I am now going to e-mail my branch chairman (Coatbridge) to have this matter raised at the next meeting.

Please all other members do the same, I'm raging at this and sick to the back teeth of the garbage we have to endure from "our" press so lets do this now
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Rufus T. Firefly,

31/10/2008 14:06:26
Worried bookmakers have stopped taking bets on aliens showing up on Earth.

It follows a flurry of bets amid internet buzz that a massive intergalactic spaceship will appear tomorrow.

Videos and messages on YouTube, blogs and UFO websites are buzzing with predictions that a vessel from the alien Federation Of Light will be visible in our skies for three days.

It may all sound more oddball than odds-on — but bookies William Hill are taking it seriously enough to temporarily suspend betting on proof of the existence of intelligent alien life.

A spokesman for William Hill said that if Alien Life does appear he fears the company will take a five figure hammering.

The spokesman also said he was grateful to Alex Salmond for advising the SNP activists to make bets on the SNP winning Glenrothes however.

All bets on this outcome are still being accepted.
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Rufus T. Firefly,

31/10/2008 14:08:35
#81 Pehman, I will raise an action against the Scotsman.

Can you send me your contribution this afternoon?

£100 for starters would do nicely.
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Rufus T. Firefly,

31/10/2008 14:10:50
#82 Stand Free Don, well said.

The Nats on here are a bunch of bully boys. All they can do is dish out abuse and issue threats if you dont agree with their point of view.

They have been ganging up against me for months now.

Water/Ducks/Back!
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Rufus T. Firefly,

31/10/2008 14:14:31
#68 Jimmy Le Pie,31/10/2008 12:38:43
"With regard to the blatant bias shown by our so called "quality" newspapers, I have managed to get the oil platform I work on, to cancel both the Hootsmon and The Herald due to their shockingly poor coverage of Scottish affairs.

It's only 4 copies of each, for 5 days a week but it's a start.

It's the only way we can fight back - boycott both papers!!"

EVERYBODY SELL YOUR SHARES IN JOHNSTON PRESS NOW!!!
This financial impact will send the company to the wall.

BY the way the story is in all todays papers, eg The Sun, The Times etc

You better bet these publications cancelled too.
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Rufus T. Firefly,

31/10/2008 14:18:57
"52 Jackie Priest,31/10/2008 10:50:31
The simple fact of the matter is that the SNP deserve to win this seat and Labour deserve nothing.

The SNP work their butts off, Labour send Brown to do a quick in and out publicity spot."

Thats it all over then. Game Set and Match.

Jackies insight is second to none.

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Tormod,

Auld Reekie 31/10/2008 14:29:06
RTF I feel your pain!
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Miss H,

31/10/2008 14:30:32
82 No, really – who are you? What world do you live in that means someone asking you a question equates with ‘silencing anyone with a dissenting voice’.

You have made a number of trips to Glenrothes so I’ll take a guess you are here to help the Labour campaign. You are probably a Labour student. You have recited your briefing very well but it’s a load of rubbish isn’t it? Real voters don’t actually complain about the issues you have so neatly listed because they don’t know the script.

Here’s my tip – chill out. (Well, you won’t have much choice with the weather the way it is). You are but a cog in the machine. By-elections come and go. You may well lose this one but it’s not as important as you think it is.
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Rufus T. Firefly,

31/10/2008 14:34:36
Tormod you said that yesterday.

If I send you some cash will you get yourself a new script writer?
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Jimmy Le Pie,

31/10/2008 14:34:47
#87

Johnstone share price has dropped from £2.90 a share to the miserly sum of 25p(yesterday's price). It's been as low as 18p!!

As for the Sun and the Times, everyone knows the Sun is utter drivel. The Times is a well known establishment rag, but at least they're up front about it.

Why don't you buy some Johnstone Press shares then??

Imbecile!
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Tormod,

Auld Reekie 31/10/2008 14:41:16
RTF I was soooo good I had to say it twice!
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Miss H,

31/10/2008 14:42:18
I did get the email. It's Iain Hamilton's email list, nothing to do with the SNP per se. He's just having a laugh I think.

Let the odds on Labour get better folks - that way we win more money!!
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Rufus T. Firefly,

31/10/2008 14:48:02
#92 Yes Jimmy, there is a credit crunch on.

You may have noticed that nearly all share prices have been devastated over the last year.

You said

"Why don't you buy some Johnstone Press shares then??"

Well isnt the reason obvious?

The fact that your oil rig is going to stop taking 4 copies a week may be enough to send Johnstone Press to the wall.
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TWC,

Ayrshire 31/10/2008 14:49:53
91 Rufus T. Firefly,31/10/2008 14:34:36

I'm a floating voter tell me some Labour proposals to benefit Scotland and I might vote for them
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Jimmy Le Pie,

31/10/2008 14:52:09
#95

4 copies a day, 5 days a week adds up to 20 a week in my arithmetic.

The Daily Mail share price has halved.

Do you use the Comrade Broon counting system??
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Tormod,

Auld Reekie 31/10/2008 15:00:31
Jimmy @ 97 He's buggered after his shoe's come off!
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Rufus T. Firefly,

31/10/2008 15:06:23
#97 Jimmy I could not be bothered referring back to your original post, but if its going to be 20 a week I will short sell Johnstone Press right now.

Do you think this is called insider trading?
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Rufus T. Firefly,

31/10/2008 15:07:29
TWC 96, you are a floating voter?

Or did you really mean voting floater?
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TWC,

Ayrshire 31/10/2008 15:34:16
#100 not even original you picked it up from my #73.

You really are sad. and you have no political depth. It makes me ashamed to admit I used to vote for Labour.

If you have nothing positive to contribute you have nothing to offer Scotland.
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Rufus T. Firefly,

31/10/2008 15:36:31
TWC I never picked it up from your #73.
I had never even read that.

So you should be ashamed.
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Rufus T. Firefly,

31/10/2008 16:07:26
#103 That was shut down ages ago where have you been?

Some SNP idiot was threatening another poster with violence, so its no surprise.
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Rufus T. Firefly,

31/10/2008 16:14:15
48% of Britons believe that Area 51 exists to investigate aliens and their spaceships.

A massive 38% think that 9/11 was orchestrated by the US government.

And 35% believe that the Apollo landing on the Moon was a hoax.

A suspicious 32% are convinced that Diana, Princess of Wales, and Dodi Fayed were murdered.

25% think the Illuminati and the Masons are trying to take over the world.

Big Brother is watching - and 7% believe that barcodes are really intended to control people.

And 6% are convinced that Microsoft sends messages via Wingdings.

And 3% think the world is run by dinosaur-like reptiles (Only true for the SNP)!

The poll also revealed that 61% believe in aliens.

And 52% think ghosts exist.
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Rufus T. Firefly,

31/10/2008 16:16:05
105 sm3 - I need to check my mobile to see if I have the saved page (most of my posts are done from my mobile).

I cant remember who it was as there were so many posts getting out of control. Once I check I will come back to you.
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Florence,

Edinburgh 31/10/2008 16:20:11
My husband and I are both SNP members and have not received any e-mail about laying bets
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Stuntman Mike,

31/10/2008 16:23:03
#105: it surely can't have involved Hen Broon, as he was almost certainly deleted for his antics on the Fergie Labour endosement thread last night (although he does seem to have some magical method of resurrecting his moniker time after time!)
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Jimmy Le Pie,

31/10/2008 16:23:43
My wife, son and myself have never received an e-mail(s) about betting.

More Unionist drivel.
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Stuntman Mike,

31/10/2008 16:26:28
#107: it seems to be some kind of a breakaway "Provisional" or "Real" SNP that's been involved in the underhand tactics, so that probably explains why members of the main party, such as you and your husband, weren't contacted.

Questions are going to increase about the fanatical nature of the Nationalists' followers if we have many more reports in a similar vein!
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Stuntman Mike,

31/10/2008 16:27:46
Meant my post #111 for #108: sorry to insult you by calling you a Nat, Rufus old fellow!
103

Miss H,

31/10/2008 16:29:14
111 You're brave labelling a QC a quasi-terrorist. He might sue.

OK he did steal the Stone of Destiny but only for a laugh.
104

Calvinist,

31/10/2008 16:33:42
OK folks of Glenrothes. Your heard it here first. The result is a forgone conclusion. That's democracy for you. Whoever you vote for, it won't change nothing.

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Stuntman Mike,

31/10/2008 16:41:49
#113 Miss H: I based my assumptions on the Scotsman's report that " The SNP initiative has been organised by Mediawatch2008, a fringe lobbying organisation loosely attached to the Nationalist movement."

If a QC's liable to be upset, he can take it up with the Scotsman, not me! Whoever is a member of this fringe movement, it surely can't be denied that it's attracting unwanted publicity to the main party in the manner of Militant's relationship to Labour in the 1980s.
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Miss H,

31/10/2008 16:41:51
114 In point of fact he must have been struggling for something to say. The SNP has clearly made the wrong policy decisions on what?

Scrapping the tolls?

Freezing the council tax?

Stopping any more privatising of the NHS?

Cutting prescription charges?

Slashing business rates?

Scrapping the graduate endowment?

All of these policies are wrong according to Gordon Brown.

Bit of a boo boo really.
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31/10/2008 16:44:00
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izzie,

dundee 31/10/2008 16:51:31
#114 If it wont change nothing then its bound to change something. I will be in Glenrothes tomorrow. Still no e mail asking me to place a £10 bet anyone had one yet?
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31/10/2008 16:52:11
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Miss H,

31/10/2008 17:17:34
116 Said organisation is run by Ian Hamilton QC.

Google him. An eccentric by all means but a dangerous subsersive? Hardly.
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European Scot,

31/10/2008 17:23:03
111 Stuntman Mike

#107: it seems to be some kind of a breakaway "Provisional" or "Real" SNP that's been involved in the underhand tactics, so that probably explains why members of the main party, such as you and your husband, weren't contacted."

'Provisional' or 'Real SNP' ?
Yesterday we had tasteless comments about Nazis, and today it's the IRA.
Do you seriously expect any reasonably well educated person to swallow such nonsense.
If anybody is going to pull underhand tactics, at this pre by-election moment, it is far more likely to come from the British State, under orders from its inglorious, and sweating profusely at the thought of losing, leader, Gordon 'Union Jack' Brown.
Along with his very own, freshly imported pillar of integrity, Lord 'Ermine-trewed' Mandleson, spinning and twisting as only someone of his 'calibre', and well documented track record, is capable of stooping to.
If it's dirty tricks you are looking for, that is where they will likely come from.
Not from a Party that isn't afraid to knock on doors, and meet the people of Glenrothes.
It's New Labour that feels obliged to walk around with gun toting heavies, not the SNP.
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gus1940,

Edinburgh 31/10/2008 17:23:55
I too am an SNP member and have not recedived an e-ail re betting.
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Jimmy Le Pie,

31/10/2008 17:25:18
I see Barclays Bank would rather have Middle East investors rather than have any dealings with Lord Mandelson of Sleaze and Comrade Broon.

Says it all really!
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Brian Hill,

Edinburgh 01/11/2008 20:39:38
We thank Geri Peeve for those encouraging comments but as Barack Obama is telling everyone, do not slacken off for a single minute between now and polling day and whatever the polls say every single vote will count in this election.

The SNP cannot take anything for granted. We must fight all the way till end of poll.

 

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