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Published Date: 25 August 2008
WITH little else to distract them this week, the SNP has been circling Glenrothes with all the impatient excitement of a small child who has been told to wait to open his Christmas presents.
You can understand the Nationalists' eagerness to get stuck in – Glasgow East gave them an air of invincibility in Scotland and they cannot wait to get their hands on this latest by-election for a seat sitting uncomfortably close to that of Prime Min
ister Gordon Brown.

So it was just over an hour after the body of late Glenrothes Labour MP John MacDougall was laid to rest, that the first notification of a ministerial visit was sent out.

John Swinney had decided to combine an arranged visit to Fife Council with a trip to Fife Fabrications factory in Glenrothes. And so the phoney war buzzing around Glenrothes came to a crashing end – much to Labour's disgust. "The timing of this is hugely distasteful," a Labour source thundered.

The SNP has admitted that it has been carrying out telephone canvassing over the last few months – before the seat of Glenrothes was officially vacant.

But the Nationalists said they were shocked that Labour should suggest such dark and Machiavellian motives for what it considered normal government business.

"It is deeply regrettable that any party should be trying to make political capital in these circumstances out of what are routine ministerial visits," a source close to Mr Swinney said.

However, Labour point out that the next day, Education Secretary Fiona Hyslop decided to accept an offer to attend an awards ceremony in Glenrothes, one which Labour suggested had been previously turned down. By the end of the week, Justice Secretary Kenny MacAskill said he would be having an engagement at an industrial estate in Glenrothes – just as the local SNP selected Fife Council leader Peter Grant as its candidate.

There is nothing unusual about ministerial visits being used to help out by-elections. Both Labour and the Conservatives have done it in the past even though parties are not supposed to use public time and money to fight party political causes. But what must be making Labour nervous is that the Nationalist ministerial team have already a proven track record as an effective weapon in by-elections.

This was certainly the case in Glasgow East where every wavering voter was identified by the Nationalists and received a personal knock on the door from a minister. That was crucial in a 365-vote majority result.

The problem for Labour is that in the current difficult circumstances a visit by a UK minister, even by the seat's neighbouring MP – Mr Gordon Brown, the Prime Minister – may not have such a beneficial effect.





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  • Last Updated: 24 August 2008 9:29 PM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
 
1

Oldnat,

25/08/2008 00:08:28
If Broon visits, will he be carrying a fitba?
2

Coileach an taobh Tuath,

25/08/2008 00:11:58
The former Labour MP for Glenrothes had launched a court action against the Ministry of Defence (MoD) last November after the government turned down his request for a £300,000 payout.

John MacDougall believed that his lung cancer was contracted a result of working at the Royal Naval dockyards in Rosyth in the 1960s and 1970s when he was exposed to asbestos.

The disclosure that Brown’s government blocked the payment comes as he paid tribute to MacDougall at his funeral last week, describing his illness as the “cruel legacy” of his exposure to asbestos on the MoD dockyards of his youth.

Other senior Labour figures who attended the funeral included Jack McConnell, the former first minister, Douglas Alexander, the international development secretary, and Des Browne, the defence secretary who was ULTIMATELY RESPONSIBLE for refusing MacDougall’s claim.

Friends have said that the dispute ADDED to the strain on MacDougall and his family before he died.

Scott Brady, MacDougall’s parliamentary researcher and friend, said it was “preposterous” compensation was not paid out until after people with mesothelioma — an asbestos-related cancer — had died.

“The case is not yet settled and to me it is absurd that, with a disease that has a median survival rate of nine months, companies can be given over a year to make a compensation offer,” he said.

John MacDougall was diagnosed with the disease over two years ago and had undergone a major operation to remove one of his lungs. A story dated 19th May 2008 in his local paper reported that MP John MacDougall was recovering after having a lung replaced one month before.

"....I’m recuperating with my family around me..."

It reported that he was working from home rather than Westminster in order to aid his recovery and to be around loved ones.

Labour then held a whipped vote on the 42day Pre-charge Detention Bill on the 11th June 2008

John was summoned to Westminster and arrived by ambulance to cast his v
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Coileach an taobh Tuath,

25/08/2008 00:12:10
cont'd

John was summoned to Westminster and arrived by ambulance to cast his vote for the legislation, supporting the Government which won by 9 votes, 9 votes that came from the the DUP.

DID NO-ONE IN LABOUR SPEAK UP AND SUGGEST COMPASSIONATE LEAVE FOR HIM?

WHY DIDN"T BROWN SUGGEST THAT JOHN GIVE UP HIS POST AND FOCUS ON RECOVERY?

MP John MacDougall dies on 13th August 2008.
4

Traquir , Alba,

25/08/2008 00:15:19
'much to Labour's disgust. "The timing of this is hugely distasteful"'

Yep much like the Labour Government denying
John MacDougall denied compensation for the 'asbestos' cancer that killed him, "The timing was hugely distasteful"

"MP whose death sparked poll was suing the MoD"

see - tinyurl.com/66z853

They denied John MacDougall compensation yet they
managed to force him whilst he was critically
ill to go down to vote for the 42-day detention.

"No sick notes allowed for tonight's 42-day detention vote"

see - tinyurl.com/6hnkgs

"hugely distasteful" - the Labour ghouls are just
complete hypocrites and papers like the Scotsman
continue to fail to report on what is truly "hugely distasteful" the utter incompetence of Labour
at every level especially in Scotland.





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Gregor Addison,

Glasgow 25/08/2008 00:28:00
Nice to see David Maddox getting some other jobs to do at the Scotsman, other than trashing LIT (which seems to have been a campaign that quietly came off the rails when Labour leadership hopefuls decided they'd like to ditch Council Tax too). David Maddox really has to be one of the most obvious card carrying Labourites at the Scotsman. His opening gambit - compare SNP to children - is so hackneyed as to be uttelry transparent. Then the coup de grace: Nationalists are bad because they didn't even wait until the sitting MP was cold in the ground... How much does he get paid for regurgitating this repetitive nonsense?
6

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25/08/2008 00:35:17
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ochone,

Sauchie, Clack's 25/08/2008 00:52:38
We should thank Davis Maddox for the timel reminder that there are those of the unionist persuasion who will sink to any level.

Why do get the feeling that Glenrothes is going to be even more 'interesting', than Glasgow-East, could it be because Gordon and his pals feel they have a personal interest because it's Fife?

One thing is for certain, the battle orders have already gone out to the Scottish media from Gordons bunker.
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Resolutions,

25/08/2008 01:00:03
May I point out that the SNP hold the constituency for Holyrood and the 'canvassing' mentioned is normal keeping the voter informed and is over the country.

Hauling very ill folk into vote, is distasteful - and who did that?

Liebour! That's what.

Be prepared for lies, lies and more dammed lies from the holier than thou unionists
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25/08/2008 01:00:36
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stracathro,

the former nation known as scotland 25/08/2008 01:05:19
Coileach an taobh Tuath,25/08/2008 00:11:

your comment is correct & this article is twisted - trying to keep the unionists happy (duh)!
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stracathro,

the wee country on the weather map 25/08/2008 01:15:11
i wonder what dm's getting for xmas - bet it's something he doesnae want - like snp news again!
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somerferg,

perth 25/08/2008 01:31:37

Yawn, yawn, snore, snore - the usual anti-SNP tripe from Davie boy. Yes the whiter than white Liebour monkeys would never treat anyone with such distain (don't make me laugh). The bigger the treat the SNP is to their little boys club in Scotland the nastier they and their lackeys e.g. Davie M get.
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somerferg,

perth 25/08/2008 01:31:57

Threat even!
14

Christina, Aberdeen,

25/08/2008 02:00:42
Yet another Labour press release from their Spin Doctor David Maddox.
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Guga II,

Rockall 25/08/2008 03:11:05
#14. Totally agree. Maddox is a blatant running dog and lackey for the New Labour Sleaze and Corruption Party.

What about a bit of investigative journalism Maddox? Dig out the dirt on why Maggie Broon refused to compensate John MacDougall for his asbstos caused cancer. The more so when they admit his illness was due to the "cruel legacy" of his work.
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Sierra Foothills Scot,

Diamond Springs 25/08/2008 04:37:21
What does Maddox's article have to do with "Inside Holyrood"?
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tommy M,

25/08/2008 07:04:55
i think what is really "disgraceful" here is the refusal of compensation to Mr MacDougall for his terrible illness by his own party.
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Nikostratos,

25/08/2008 08:10:37
"It is deeply regrettable that any party should be trying to make political capital in these circumstances out of what are routine ministerial visits," a source close to Mr Swinney said."

unless it is the snp and then it is fine and dandy.........

#18 tommy and the rest

and if the compensation was approved by the Government without going through the proper procedures..The snp would claim the labour party bought off his family.

Lets be honest tommy you and most of the snp could not care less about Mr MacDougall his illness or his family.But then the majority of scots know this full well

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Senga Jean,

25/08/2008 08:46:02
Did Bully Boy Brown ask the Scotsman to write this tosh. Cunning tosh BUT TOSH!
20

MoClana,

25/08/2008 08:49:25
What an embarrasing piece of anti snp / pro Unionist sh*te!

Dont you boys get it yet? this cr*p doesnt wash, only in your blinkered litle paranoid Unionist minds is any of this actually happening!

Go get a job in Tescos David...its getting cringe worthy!
21

Linda,

Edinburgh 25/08/2008 08:50:27
I have been phoned by the Labour Party in Edinburgh from their English Call Centre but there is no contest and the incumbent is still alive.
The SNP hold the MSP seat which more or less coincides with the Westminster seat. Is anyone seriously suggesting that no political activity should take place.
Plus the Finance Minister was due to meet Fife Council months ago.
Usual Labour negativity.
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Mr. Lachie Todd,

Edinburgh 25/08/2008 09:12:36
The voters of Glenrothes may have voted for Nationalist representation at Holyrood but they should consider very carefully their choice of candidate for Westminster?

IF, the Fife voters should abandon the Labour Party in Scotland and elect an Nationalist MP then they must fully realise that they are setting course for a sovereign, independent Scottish State!

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bill-alba,

fife 25/08/2008 10:04:04
Agree lachie...please fife voters abandon the britnat parties and vote in a nationalist mp...keep on course.
24

Darien,

Panama 25/08/2008 11:44:16
Worth repeating #25, again and again and....

" IF, the Fife voters should abandon the Labour Party in Scotland and elect an Nationalist MP then they must fully realise that they are setting course for a sovereign, independent Scottish State! "

"Absolutely! Joy of joys!"

Great stuff. Bring it on, as she with the big brain used to say.

By the way, the Hootsmon articles are getting tosher and tosher - must be near Election time.
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Davietheboy,

Glenrothes 25/08/2008 11:58:27
Greetings from Glenrothes.
First SNP leaflet through the door over the weekend. Who's the Labour candidate again?
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Wisnaeme,

25/08/2008 12:16:18

I am not in receipt of the full facts about the late John MacDougall's compensation case, nor is it really any of my business.Procedural delay is about par for the course, whether he would have been successful in his claim or not. That is within the Labour government's remit as a government to ensure that the claimant's case was speedily and efficiently dealt with.
Were they speedily efficient in saying no then?
Many folk have to wait years for an outcome to their claims for compensation.
...and many are beyond caring when the erm judgement comes through.
Is it not the duty of the Labour Government to oversee such, to investigate such and to instigate post mortem inquiries of such. But then New Labour are not renown for their acceptance of their responsibilities, even to their ain. In an earlier post in another place, I mentioned that there were words said at a funeral which were not to Brown and labour's credit, but that was a private conversation and out of respect for others and not for Brown's sake, it will remain private.

I was in Glenrothes last Saturday, pounding the streets along with many others, leafleting on behalf of the SNP candidate. There was some sympathy for Brown in that some folk said that he wasn't given a chance but many more said to me as I was going the rounds that he was a disappointment. I had the feeling that folk were blaming New Labour both for not getting behind Brown to "give him a chance" and some folk having the sympathy tinged with a little sadness for himself therein..., But by far the disappointment ( and sometimes anger)was directed at the Labour party its self for it's lack of good governance and disastrous decision making amongst other things, too many to mention. There was no championing of New Labour or their policies though by anyone I spoke to. It was more a quiet acceptance that New Labour have not fulfilled their early promise, that new Labour had deeply disappointed and that it was not altogether Brown's fault
27

Reality Cheque,

25/08/2008 12:40:23
Gorgon Broon is an electoral liability. For years he has been emptying our wallets and plundering our pensions, but he was always able to hide behind Tory Bliar.

Now that his ambition has gained him the top job, without any public vote, the electorate are telling what they really think at every opportunity.
28

Wisnaeme,

25/08/2008 12:54:02

Post 28 Davietheboy.

Aye, Ah micht have been ra wan that put it through.

Nae idea who is. Does it matter or should Ah say do they matter? Just more of a sameness really. Judging by ra Glasgow East New Labour candidate selection process, there will be some terrible infichting and caterwauling frae them that would prefer not to be selected. Nae body has a mind to be a loser, ye'll understand and nae body cares to be associated with losers either. That's the terrible dilemma Labour are in. Future prospects for Labour are to say the least, uncertain. What with massive layoffs, the prospects of promotion and a job fer life are not what they were, even in Scotland.
Naw, thur better aff seeking employment as @rse bandits or whatever.Since new Labour in Scotland have for the past eleven years at least, been lying doon and thinking o England. Aye, the prospects for Labour at Westmidden look grim, as they indeed are for wee message boys and girls in another gathering place.
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lulach mac gille coemgain,

25/08/2008 13:51:16
Let’s hurry up the end to union - I’m getting bored with it - and I don’t want Broon, Cameroon or Mini-band having anything to do with politics in Scotland for it’s sure to be a disaster !
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Tynietiger,

25/08/2008 14:15:00
Time for all football fans to protest at Gordon Brown's stupid suggestion for a Team GB football team at next olympics. It will mean the end of Scotland's national side as corrupt officials in FIFA cannot be trusted.
31

G.Campbell,

25/08/2008 14:38:43
http://calumcashley.blogspot.com/2008/08/more-in-sorrow-than-in-anger.html

SNP activists campaign all the time. We're currently campaigning in Edinburgh North and Leith, for example, as well as trying to make a contribution to the campaign in Glenrothes. I don't know what SNP campaigning has been done in the Glenrothes constituency since May 2007, but I do know that the SNP members in that constituency are thoroughly decent people and are in no way ghouls.

I imagine that this constituency got central party support in terms of telecanvassing - as other constituencies have received - but I can be absolutely certain that SNP activists, whether members on the ground or at a distance, would not have campaigned in that constituency between hearing that the sitting MP had entered hospital for the final time and the time he was buried.

Why is that important? Because Labour, the party which tossed the allegation so casually, was telecanvassing in Glenrothes before Mr MacDougall died, was canvassing on the day that Gordon Brown went to visit his old friend on his deathbed, and was canvassing between the MP's death and funeral. I like to think that there was at least enough dignity to ensure that Labour did not canvass on the day of Mr MacDougall's funeral. I know because Labour managed to canvass SNP members during that time.
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25/08/2008 17:19:02
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mesmiths,

fife 25/08/2008 17:21:19
#4 Spot on.
I'm amazed that these people can keep from actually chundering as thew spew forth such sickening bile.
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Maurice the Dolphin,

North Sea 25/08/2008 17:26:32
Do you have to have to exclusively have a gaelic sounding name to post as a nationalist on these boards?
35

stracathro,

scot land 25/08/2008 17:52:18
39# maurice dolphin

no man you don't have to have gaelic sounding name to be a nationalist - some do and some don't - what's wrong with that?
looks like u & some other are the only unionists taking part anyway - but not really contributing positivly!

the discussion is about the article by david maddox not stating the true facts surrounding the death of John MacDougall.
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democracy,

Scottish Borders 25/08/2008 20:09:34
#20 Nikostratos, what a total lot of tripe you talk.
To say that, and I quote,"Lets be honest tommy you and most of the snp could not care less about Mr MacDougall his illness or his family" just proves what an immature little boy you are.

You should not be allowed to post such unadulterated drivel!

But,as was pointed out earlier,his own party pulling him down to westminster to vote, shows a huge lack of concern for the man's welfare and in itself speaks volumes about New Labour empathy even for their own kind!!!
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Nikostratos,

25/08/2008 20:22:56
#41

oh i see the snp cared more for Mr MacDougall than the labour party..do leave it out.....

"their own kind!!!" weird expression we being different from all others what do we look different talk different
perhaps we are less than people like you..subhumans maybe not worthy of human rights eh?

gnight..................
38

Wisnaeme,

25/08/2008 20:39:28

Aye, about right G.Campbell.

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25/08/2008 20:55:06
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25/08/2008 21:05:59
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Hickory,

US 26/08/2008 16:33:07
Aye, the flapping of coattails as the flyin' monks make a lot of noise to make the appearance of workin'. After the dust settles, all will be the same. As one monk says to the other, "Ye paint me back blue and I'll paint ye back red. Next time, ye paint me back red and I'll paint ye back blue. It works every time."
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Resolutions,

26/08/2008 18:10:19
#36 May I endorse your comments re the continuous canvassing by the SNP all over the country. It is actually called keeping folks in the picture.

Nor is it the first time that a Unionist party has been actively campaigning after the death of a sitting Parliamentarian and the funeral!Seems decency is not in their vocabulary
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Peter Curran,

Kirkliston 27/08/2008 09:08:10
45 a proud doonhamer

As an admirer of your always relevant postings, I understand your frustration, doonhamer. But a least the facility to post exists, and the chance to criticise the Scotsman's often shameleesly biased coverage exists.

The Scotsman has the same dilemma as all broadsheets - it would love to continue to exercise politically motivated editorial control, and can do in the print edition, but the print edition is a shrinking medium, whereas the online editions of all broadsheets are dynamic, vital and growing, so they cannot be ignored. To exercise the same level of control online would require that they emasculate the medium, thus losing 'hits' on the site and advertising revenue.

I would very much like to read your deleted post, and if you feel able to send it by email, you can find me at negotiation@consultant.com


 

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