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Published Date: 21 December 2008
TOURISM chiefs have been left with red faces after a flagship initiative was hit by an embarrassing race row.
The original promotional poster for next year's much-vaunted Homecoming Scotland event featured hundreds of smiling, and exclusively white, revellers marching behind a bagpiper.

But now a solitary Asian man has been "air brushed" into a rejigged v
ersion of the image in an belated attempt to reflect the diversity of modern Scotland. But the move backfired when campaigners for racial equality attacked the change.

The Scottish Government's Homecoming 2009 event is a £5m tourism campaign, which is aiming to get thousands of people of Caledonian descent to return to their ancestral homeland.

But Sunny Hundal, editor of the magazine Asians In Media, described the attempts to doctor the Homecoming posters as outrageous and an insult to the Asian community.

The all white original Homecoming Scotland promotional poster
The all white original Homecoming Scotland promotional poster



He said: "These are proud Scottish Asians, who insist on their Scottishness, not their Britishness, and they are as much a part of the country as anybody else. It is amazing that a government department doesn't accept that, and even more incredible that they had to think about it after the event."

Geoff Palmer, the president of the Edinburgh and Lothians Race Relations Council, felt the switch was "tokenism" aimed at deflecting claims that the initiative was being aimed solely at affluent, white Americans.

VisitScotland, the government tourism agency, said no offence had been intended by the change and that no complaints had been made about the original image.

Now you see him: An asian man is airbrushed into the new version of the Homecoming Scotland advert
Now you see him: An asian man is airbrushed into the new version of the Homecoming Scotland advert






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  • Last Updated: 23 December 2008 7:49 AM
  • Source: Scotland On Sunday
  • Location: Scotland
  • Related Topics: Homecoming
 
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slap-dash,

Border Patrol 21/12/2008 00:58:21
Rufus ! Cool name btw , shame about the IQ.

I take it by your outrage (Mock I`m guessing) you are an onionist. Now as an onionist you will be well versed in the art of manipulation, image or otherwise. I thought even you would have known that you cant "airbrush" something or someone into an image , , , only out !
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subrosa,

21/12/2008 00:58:28
What a dramatic headline for a non-story.
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alba nach,

Tarbert 21/12/2008 01:02:09
It looks like everyone was photoshopped in to that picture, and not very well at that!
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slap-dash,

Border Patrol 21/12/2008 01:05:03
I only wish I had turned up earlier , , , second for eg > that way I would have seen the advert for "gastric Balloons" directly under Rufus`s name ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha !
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Observer. 1,

Glasgow 21/12/2008 01:07:05
A screw up by whoever designed the picture.

2 quite right, how embarrassing you'd think it was Jimmy Tarbuck.
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slap-dash,

Border Patrol 21/12/2008 01:12:25
So, let me get this straight. Fro reading the article , someone made a poster , , , no-body complained , , , and "The Scotsman" went out and found an upset Asian bloke ? , , , , ,Wow , , , slow news day or what ?
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slap-dash,

Border Patrol 21/12/2008 01:16:33
Rufus !"There are no blacks or Chinese on the poster either."

Yes there are ! There are three Chinese two Tibetans and a Huge Zulu warrior standing behind that enormous saltire !
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KampungHighlander,

Jakarta 21/12/2008 01:41:59
Maybe they should have airbrushed in a picture of the Prophet Mohamed.

It would certainly have gotten them more publicity than this non story about one irate asian.
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Dragonhead,

Dalian,China 21/12/2008 01:43:00
Political Correctness gone mad!It is sickening to see those from Asia Minor being pandered to at every step in daily life. Social engineering of an insidious nature.Typical Socialist meddling in everything.
Number 11 slap dash, "There are three Chinese,two Tibetans", that would be a total of Five Chinese then?
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Schot,

21/12/2008 01:47:45
It is very patriotic of Gordon Brown to make the homecoming year so affordable for our diaspora by destroying the relative value of our currency.
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21/12/2008 01:48:40
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Scunnert,

21/12/2008 02:11:35
15 Brian Hill

Not many English in Scotland would count themselves as Scots. All this "we're aw Jock Thamson's bairns" nonsense is just getting absurd. If yer born in Scotland then ye have the right tae call yersell a Scot. Just catchin the bus fae Milton Keynes tae Glesga disnae count.

"But Sunny Hundal, editor of the magazine Asians In Media, described the attempts to doctor the Homecoming posters as outrageous and an insult to the Asian community."

Sunny - Asians represent about 1% of Scotland's population. So even having ONE Asian in the picture is over-representation.

Geoff Palmer, the president of the Edinburgh and Lothians Race Relations Council, said:
“This is an insult to Asian and Afro-Caribbean people, who are part of the Scottish diaspora."

Whit has this guy been smokin? Geoff - gies a link pal. Just where is this Scottish-Asian-Afro-Carribean diaspora?
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KampungHighlander,

Jakarta 21/12/2008 03:04:25
#16 Scunnert

"Whit has this guy been smokin? Geoff - gies a link pal. Just where is this Scottish-Asian-Afro-Carribean diaspora?"

Probably in Asia and the Caribbean.

I for instance use the moniker KampungHighlander after a village on the eastern end of the Island of Java where the people all claim Scottish Descent.

They claim to be the descendants of Scottish Mercenaries who served with the Dutch East India Company.

When they where paid off they had the choice of returning to Scotland or retiring in Java. Most chose to stay.

I think you will find similar stories in many places.

Scots where the backbone of the British Empire and tended to be a lot less racist than there English counterparts.

They where a lot more likely to go "native". There was even a Scottish Governor in India who married a local princess and converted to Islam.

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Finlang,

France 21/12/2008 03:39:41
In case any knucklehead apologists get the wrong end of the stick, my country referred to above, is Scotland.
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frank mcbride,

lusitania 21/12/2008 03:41:02
#16, Scunnert.

You're a bampot.

Try looking at the surnames of many Carribeans. Try Africa. Kampung gives you another example.

Also, try the number of DiPaolos, Taubs, Patels, "Singhs", Wisnewskis, Jones, O'Neill, Smith etc. who are 2nd/3rd/4th. generation Scots.

Scots are one and many, and long may our tollerance last.
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Stereotypical Glaswegian,

21/12/2008 03:42:53
"But Sunny Hundal, editor of the magazine Asians In Media, described the attempts to doctor the Homecoming posters as outrageous and an insult to the Asian community."

Sunny - Asians represent less than a half of 1% of Scotland's population.
All Ethnic minorities make up less that 3% of the UK population - (far less in Scotland).
So even having ONE Asian in the picture is over-representation, much like the rest of the vastly over represented "Asians In Media".

We are not a multi cultural society.
We are a tollerant and inclusive sociaty - but don't push your luck.
The ice is getting really thin.
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frank mcbride,

lusitania 21/12/2008 03:45:33
#19, 20, Finlang.

Refer to my #21.

Shi'ite is shi'ite from whatever source.

Don't bother with the infantile reposte.
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Scunnert,

21/12/2008 04:28:40
21 frank mcbride

I don't get into trading insults with my detractors relying instead on wit, logic, and facts.

"Try looking at the surnames of many Carribeans."

Have some in the family Frank.

It was common practice in slave owning times for slaves to take the name of their owner or overseer and, unfortunately, there were Scots involved in that abomination. No doubt there were "liasons" that resulted in children of Scots ancestry and they are welcome to consider themselves Scots - though few could give a damn.

Aye - Scots roamed the world fathering children as they went. And to those folks the world ower I say welcome brother.

But really - who are you trying to kid. There isn't a bi-racial diaspora in Africa, Asia, or the Carribean clamoring to be recognized as Scots. That's just PC nonsense. Grow a spine man.
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Scunnert,

http://scunnert-nation.blogspot.com/ 21/12/2008 04:33:41
DNA BACK SOUTH AFRICA TRIBE'S TRADITION OF
EARLY DESCENT FROM THE JEWS
By Nicholas Wade. New York Times, Sunday May, 9th 1999

The Lemba, a Bantu-speaking people of southern Africa, have a Tradition that they were led out of Judea by a man named Buba. They practice circumcision, keep one day a week holy and avoid eating pork or piglike animals, such as the hippopotamus.

Several groups around the world practice Judaic rites or claim to be descended from Biblical tribes without having any ancestral Jewish connection. And there is no Buba in the records of Jewish history.

But the remarkable thing about the Lemba tradition is that it may be exactly right. A team of geneticists has found that many Lemba men carry in their male chromosome a set of DNA sequences that is distinctive of the cohanim, the Jewish priests believed to be the descendants of Aaron. The
genetic signature of priests- a hereditary caste, different rabbis but with certain ritual roles- is particularly common among Lemba men who belong to the senior of their 12 groups, known as the Buba clan.

tinyurl.com/6u7txo
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Finlang,

France 21/12/2008 04:37:49
#23

You refer me to your #21, then tell me not to "bother with the infantile riposte."

Fine. So here's an adult riposte. Your #21, noting the insult to another poster, is disingenuous.

"Homecoming" perhaps needs to be more carefully defined. I don't deny anybody with a claim to Scots ancestry the right to participate in this event which is looking to be scuppered before it even gets underway. It's only irate people like you who can't see the wood for the trees that make it look stupidly contrived as a "one-size-fits-all".

Scunnert #24 above explains it concisely for you.




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Scunnert,

21/12/2008 04:38:30
Second Reading: April 10, 2000

Third Reading: June 8, 2000 (NO COMMITTEE AMENDMENTS)

Royal Assent: June 8, 2000

An Act to Amend Chapter 86 of the Acts of 1858, An Act to Incorporate the North British Society in Halifax, Nova Scotia
Be it enacted by the Governor and Assembly as follows:

1 The long title of Chapter 86 of the Acts of 1858, An Act to Incorporate the North British Society in Halifax, Nova Scotia, is changed to "An Act Respecting The Scots: The North British Society".

2 Chapter 86 is further amended by renumbering Section 1 as 1A and adding immediately before the Section 1A the following Section:

1 This Act may be cited as the The Scots: The North British Society Act.

3 Chapter 86 is further amended by adding immediately after Section 1A the following Section:

1B (1) Notwithstanding Section 1A, on and after the coming into force of this Section, the body corporate referred to in Section 1A shall be known as "The Scots: The North British Society".

(2) A reference in any enactment or document to the North British Society in Halifax, Nova Scotia shall, as regards any subsequent transaction, matter or thing, be read as a reference to The Scots: The North British Society.

tinyurl.com/a7js6q

Did Gaga suggest this?
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Scunnert,

21/12/2008 04:42:37
March 7, 1997 Halifax Herald

Scots: alive and trying to retain their culture

Several readers have verbally rapped my knuckles because I didn't include the Gaelic culture in my Africville column (Jan. 10). They were right to do so. To set matters straight, there are five, not four, major cultures based in Nova Scotia. To all my Scottish friends, my heartfelt apologies for the omission!

tinyurl.com/7qzagj
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Scunnert,

21/12/2008 04:46:47
"I have a Jamaican telephone directory, and I would say that about 60% of the names in it are Scottish," he says. West Indians with Scottish names acquired them from slave owners and slave drivers, a huge proportion of whom were Scots. Some fathered children with slaves while others simply imposed their names on them."

Geoff Palmer
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Scunnert,

21/12/2008 04:58:36
‘The Scottish Executive intends to engage with and mobilise the Scottish diaspora to further Scotland’s interests for the long-term benefit of our economy and society. We aim to encourage the diaspora’s active participation and engagement in promoting Scotland as a great country to visit, live, learn, work, do business and invest.’

Scotland now recognises the vital role of Scots abroad:

• Scotland needs to rebuild its population thus émigré Scots are encouraged to return back to Scotland.

• Scotland requires émigré money and expertise.

tinyurl.com/6whzg7

Cannae have that noo - can we?

The Scottish people are not allowed to invest in their own future through Government Bonds. Why is that?

The Scottish Government calls on the Scottish diaspora to help in tough financial times (thanks Gaga) and the project is derided and smeared from day one. Why is that?

Aye we're all Jock Tamson's bairns - not.
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Scunnert,

21/12/2008 05:05:37
Wherever ye come fae - come and spend yer money. We sorely need it wae the hammering Broon and co are inflicting upon us.
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frank mcbride,

lusitania 21/12/2008 05:23:12
Scunnert.

You're right. There won't be many of our Carribean-African............brothers clamouring to come to the Homecoming but, if they come, they'll be welcome.

I apologise for my remarks as I misinterpreted your post. However, you will agree, I think, that there is a virulent xenophobia being promoted on these threads which must be challenged.

I'm not blind to PC and you will know, from many of my previous posts, what I think of Political Correctness.
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Mallory,

Edinburgh 21/12/2008 06:16:52
There many descendants of good old slaver families living, and thriving, in Scotland.

see http://www.jamaica-gleaner.com/gleaner/20080323/lead/lead6.html

Well kent names indeed.
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KampungHighlander,

Jakarta 21/12/2008 08:04:30
#34 Rules

Their is no such thing as Britons.

At the time of the Roman Invasion the entire land mass of the UK and Ireland was inhabited by Celtic Tribes.

The Romans called them Atrebates, Belgae, Brigantes, Cantiaci, Carveti, Catuvellauni, Coritani, Cornovii, Deceangi, Demetae, Dobunni, Dumnonii, Durotriges, Iceni, Ordovices, Parisi, Regnenses, Segontiaci, Silures, Trinovantes and Scotti.

They would have had another name for themselves in their native Celtic language.

There was and never has been a people that called themselves Britons.

This is almost as daft as your silly posts about federalism.
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Selgovae,

21/12/2008 08:22:48
#35 Kampung

"There was and never has been a people that called themselves Britons."

But there was a people that others called Britons, in the same way that the name "Scot" was applied by others. Is that not usually the way?

I'm not sure if the Scotii in your list were regarded by the Romans as inhabitants of Britain. Weren't they in Hibernia in those days?

Rules makes a fair point. Scots and English out of Britain. The Italian-named among us may have a better claim to stay, as their ancestors were here before the Scots and English. I've read that the Romans brought Sarmation warriors here too, so many of our East-European descended brothers and sisters may want to make a claim too.

Rules may be confused about dna testing. As everyone knows, dna was only invented last century, and so they wouldn't have had any back then. Ideally, only those descended from King Arthur (the Roxburgh one) should be welcomed back. The simple test would be the ability to pull a sword out of a stone.

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Mikey,

21/12/2008 08:25:02
#35, you're quite right. The one thing you can immediately see about unionists is their complete lack of veritas! I guess it comes from being told what to believe for so long.
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bully wee alba,

Edinburgh 21/12/2008 08:36:12
#34
Drivel

My family name (surname) implies that I am descended from people who emigrated to Scotland from the “Low Countries” in the 12th century.

These people allied themselves to the then royal family, becoming tailors to the King, supported Wallace and fought with Bruce at Bannockburn.

Staunch Jacobites, they threw their weight behind the “King over the water”.

Having spread throughout the length and breadth of our fair land, they suffered as much as any other clan from the “Clearances”, and many of this extended family lost their lives fighting for American independence.

The most recent “dispersal” of the family in the (assisted passage) 1960’s has resulted in my having close family relations in Canada, Australia and New Zealand.

To suggest that any of us, whether members of the SNP or otherwise, are “traitors” to our country is a gross insult, and besmirches an allegiance of over 900 years.
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Hermitage,

Edinburgh 21/12/2008 09:06:32
they can airbrush the whole lot out, for all I care.

The whole thing is a load of 'Scottish' tartan, cringe-enducing c*2p anyway.
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bully wee alba,

Edinburgh 21/12/2008 09:24:00
#39
Your claim of “not caring” appears to be belied by the fact that you have cared enough to post upon a subject of which you claim no interest in.

Odd.
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Pilrig.,

Livingston 21/12/2008 09:25:35
19 so the expat Scots at the height of the Empire never had "more than friendly" relations with the indigenous women ? and if they had they wore condoms ? !!!
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Pilrig.,

Livingston 21/12/2008 09:32:53
34 - well you should be accurate first. The Brythonic (antique Welsh) culture died out in Scotland about a thousand years ago.

Oh and for the bigots - everyone who lives here, or is a ex-pat, is a a descendant of an immigrant. Unless their ancestor was Frosty the Snowman !


























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GMCD,

21/12/2008 09:35:21
This is not "PC gorn mad" ---this is a paper scraping around for a story.....
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Pilrig.,

Livingston 21/12/2008 09:35:52
22 - "we are not a multi-cultural land" So the Gaelic and Scots/Lallans/Doric cultures don't exist ?

Doh !
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lulach mac gille coemgain,

21/12/2008 10:03:11
has been "air brushed" - holy mackarolly don’t they use photoshop ?
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lulach mac gille coemgain,

21/12/2008 10:03:50
surely of he’s asian - his home would be asia ?
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Destroy the Planet,

21/12/2008 10:09:54
Technically, where they are standing, they should either be -
Under a bus
Impaled on the railings on the mound

Aside from that looneytunes #13 Dragonhead is a racist after his unbeleivable joke about Aborigines last week so he cant really comment subjectively
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albanman,

21/12/2008 10:22:26
Anthropologists have long ascertained that we homosapiens originated in Africa (probably somewhere around present day Kenya) and migrated from there to the farthest corners of the Earth. All this Scottish-this, Asian-that is ludicrous. If the racists on this site want to return to their true origins, approach the nearest Kenyan or Tanzanian embassy or consulate. There's only one race: the human race. Get used to it.
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Rufus-T-Firefly­,

21/12/2008 10:23:05
It is not true that i never leave my house, have no life and just sit here posting dribble all day and night. Oh no!

I recently took up a martial art! Oh yes. I have enrolled in my local Morris dancing class. It is quite strenuous, but so is doing my ususal 60 hour binge self abuse/posting sessions on here, I can tell you!
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SeriouslyAmused,

Alexandria 21/12/2008 10:28:49
I can see why the poster could cause offence. The Asian bloke is looking around apologetically, almost as if he knows he is an after-thought.

The fact is anyway, the original is a made-up picture as much as the second one.

Move along now, nothing else to see...
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Rufus-T-Firefly­,

21/12/2008 10:50:23
What!! Still no replies! This is very frustrating. I post very witty and clever stuff, and get very angry and frustrated when i am not the centre of attention!
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bully wee alba,

Edinburgh 21/12/2008 11:12:08
Ciamar a tha thu? Huw’s it gon big man? Fit like? I say old boy, how are you?

Who say’s we are not multi-cultural?
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Shug,

21/12/2008 11:39:07
16. The fact is we are all Jock Thampson's Bairns. Wish means that Nationalism is a lot of tosh in what ever form it comes, whether it is waving a Saltire or a Union Jack. I doubt most Scots can go back more than a few generations without some form of foreign intervention in their genetic make up. Absolutely bloody absurd to get het up about some arbitrary boundary on a wee island that is somehow meant to distinguish one group of people from another. Life's too short, go out and get one, it's a big old world and we are not given a lot of time to see it.
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Iain's,

Barcelona 21/12/2008 11:52:26
Madness!

Can the press not find the guy and ask him:

1) Are you a token terrorist.
2) Are you an Indian.
3) Are you a pakistani?
4) Are you Bangladeshi?
5) AND WORST OF ALL: Are you English?

Come on find him and spread as much embarrasment as possible!



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21/12/2008 12:16:49
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Hugh Roscombe,

21/12/2008 12:21:51
Ba­wbag article.
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Brian Hill,

Edinburgh 21/12/2008 12:30:18
The important point is that people of all races and colours will always be welcome in Scotland but especially welcome next year,in particular those with Scottish ancestry.
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Observer..,

Glasgow 21/12/2008 12:42:40
70 Yes you're probably right, the picture is to lure people back, it's hardly a representation of the average Scottish high street is it.
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Scimitar1,

21/12/2008 13:46:18
No "Scottish Asians " by their own defintion should be in the picture - when they begin to see themselves as exclusively Scottish and develop cultural and social links then maybe. But unlike the unconditional disporan Scots he has no lineage, or ancestoral link to this country and that alone should exclude him.

I have nothing culturally in common with the Pollokshaws muslim, but plenty with a Toronto diasporan who shares a same surname,ancestoral home and common interests, and nor should it be about reflecting the immigrant density of our street.

People are going to get used the fact that multi cult countries (regretfully , this is now one) spring up many other different cultures some/all of which are exclusive to that group eg ethnic Scots, Ethnic Pakistani, Ethnic Indian etc,etc all formed along cultural, heritage ,socio-religious grounds.

When people state the "Jock Tamsons bairns" misnomer they overlook the fundamental and widespread biological,ethnic and cultural differences that exists between peoples,their mixed allegiances and the competing interests they have. Despite the dogma most Scots aren't interested in what the Asians are doing or their religions and visa-versa. Pollokshaws is more foreign to me than Seatle or Stockholm and the Asian living down the road isn't any LESS foreign than when living in Pakistan.

The idea of putting an Asian in this picture is dishonest - the guy from the ethnic "rights" industry never complained about the absence of an Asian, he complained about the multi-cult /PC brigade (in bending over backwards to appease the diversity crowd) making an in the precess making as ass of them.
Where are the diversity officers when you need them ?
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Observer..,

Glasgow 21/12/2008 14:07:18
Well I've got plenty in common culturally with a Pollokshaws muslim, like going to the same school as them for example.

Your post is utterly ridiculous. The homecoming is about welcoming back people of Scottish roots who live in other countries now. The same thing holds true for Scottish Asians, they are Scottish but they have links with another country too. Big deal.

Pollokshaws as a foreign country ? You really should get out more.
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Selgovae,

21/12/2008 16:06:19
#77 Scimitar1

Your outlook is an embarrassment to those of us who thought we lived in a modern country. Your bloodline view of nationality makes me wonder how you spend your time.

Like Observer at #78, any shared identity was shaped by the people I went to school with. I'm sure it's the same for my kids, whose classmates have various faces, but sound remarkably similar. Your Toronto "diasporan" on the other hand probably sounds Canadian, and immediately marks himself as not from here. That doesn't mean he's not welcome, far from it. But any idea he might have that he's more Scottish than someone with an Asian face and a Scottish accent should be firmly corrected.

I hope this Homecoming thing is purely for the money. Any loftier aims would make it a complete farce.
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Hugh Roscombe,

21/12/2008 16:20:40
77

Drivel pal - sheer drivel. Away and crawl back under your stone. You are a disgrace.
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Aberdeenshire Scot,

21/12/2008 18:11:52
beles bane
what a load of ballrot.You must have the IQ of an amoeba.
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Aberdeenshire Scot,

21/12/2008 18:12:21
McAskills no stranger to police at football grounds.....

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/scotland/535592.stm
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Blue Tooner,

Aberdeenshire 21/12/2008 19:02:13
"To see oursels as ithers see us!
It wad frae mony a blunder free us,
An' foolish notion"

Not at all sure what Robbie would have made of all this Homecoming stuff. We're making fools of ourselves on a global scale, and as for the saga of the air-brushed Asian! Well, just how stupid can it all get!?
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Sam the man the snp Fear most,

Glenrothes! Glenrothes! I love You 21/12/2008 19:11:48
73#

Excellent post and very true.

Nice to see a decent post from someone who knows his stuff and sticks with the facts, you are spot on about Pollockshaws and you will find most of the Glasgow population will agree except the usual left wing idiots.

Why should there be any coloured faces in the picture?, Scotland is not in Africa or Asia, it is part of the UNITED KINGDOM and always will be.

Regarding Observer she is a left wing loonie tune who was yesterday trying to defend two of the most abusive posters on the forums who one was attempting and failing to fake my goodself very badly, i am not PC but i am not abusive, the two posters in question are juan kerr(who is running a massive failed vendetta against the Herald) and steve A- Glasgow, they have posted some very abusive and serious stuff including about children, gays and Nazi stuff, on many occasions they have had their accounts closed for faking, Observer was backing them up, she also backs up another poster "Britfree" who calls for all Americans to toast aswell as other terrorist views, she is also known in the Govanhill area and elsewhere for assisting illegal immigrants and has taken them into her own address, she was also at one time involved with the Socialist mob.

It is only a matter of time before the gates are closed for third world immigration and rightly so.
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Observer..,

Glasgow 21/12/2008 19:34:48
Failtes is a plastic paddy's bar who's only virtue is cheep beer if you don't mind drinking Harp.

Asians do not live as a community within a community, that's rubbish.

But I see the site has been taken over by the fake mentalists again so there's not much point in posting any further.
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Observer..,

Glasgow 21/12/2008 19:37:00
82 You should be pleased that the faker is faking Shamus and not you. I've got a fake too. Still, the Herald site has picked up again I may go back there.
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Observer..,

Glasgow 21/12/2008 19:39:59
93 I don't know of any political party who want to segregate Asians. I think they all want the opposite to happen.
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Observer..,

Glasgow 21/12/2008 19:42:02
92 what is the point in what you are doing ?
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Observer..,

Glasgow 21/12/2008 19:43:19
96 No, there is an Asian vote, because Scots Asians are obviously concerned about what is happening in the muslim world too (it's muslims we're talking about right ?).
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Glasgow 21/12/2008 19:52:51
102 Yes I have seen you being faked all over the shop, someone faked me last night, it is idiotic behaviour, and as much as I disagree with AM2 he does not deserve this kind of obsessive stalking.
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103 Eh ? I think there is an Asian, predominantly muslim, and predominantly Glasgow (south) vote. I've never pretended there wasn't.
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Well if the fakers continue, whoever they are, they will get this site closed down like they did on the Herald.
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112 I think it exists, I am in no doubt about that, but that doesn't mean that Scottish muslims, or Scottish Asians, mainly they come from families who immigrated from Pakistan, live like separate communities. They don't. but they share a common interest and vote (I think) accordingly. And it tends to be SNP.
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115 Well if I was you I would co-operate with 114, you are both being stalked and faked so you've got something in common.
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21/12/2008 20:03:10
116 You are mentally ill. You are not achieving anything apart from displaying your own solitary inadequacy as a person.
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Glasgow 21/12/2008 20:06:11
122 Well if rufus won't make a simple post then the conclusion would seem obvious.
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You need a degree in psychiatry to post on here, I'm off.
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Glasgow 21/12/2008 20:10:10
127 Well are you saying that the posts can be checked ?
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127 You've got an easy way out here of exonerating yourself, if I was in your shoes Id take it.

But then I don't fake anyone.
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You need to give permission Rufus in a post.
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Glasgow 21/12/2008 20:16:21
139 You made it perfectly clear in a reasonable manner. Oh well, I guess he must have something to hide then.
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Glasgow 21/12/2008 20:18:45
136 I don't see any conflict between us and the muslim world, although no doubt that is because of my own political views and personal experience. Other people who distrust Islam may feel differently.
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146 further to what I said in 145, I think the tendency is for links to the ''motherland'' to fade over time. I think what has made a lot of third and fourth generation Scottish Asians feel more connected to the other side of the world is Iraq. I thought that before the invasion it was one of my major concerns.
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21/12/2008 20:25:34
148 All you need to do is make a post stating that you give the moderator your permission to have the posts investigated and if it is NOT you who made the fake ones, release that information. Just post it.
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Glasgow 21/12/2008 20:29:38
149 We have Jews, Afghanis, Iraqis, Iranians, Somalians, you name them we've got them. They've all got dual identities, it doesn't stop them being Scottish and particpating in Scottish life.

Obviously the danger we all fear is radicalisation (have you seen the article on the opinion page on that, it's very good) but I think we are going the right way about countering that.

Of course there are going to be tensions at times, but that is the same as in any country.
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154 the Ummah like the caliphate applies to the muslim world.
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Glasgow 21/12/2008 20:35:00
159 It might be inconclusive, not least because you can apparently post from a mobile phone ! That's a new one on me. But I don't think he could have switched so quickly between different posts if he is the faker.
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He would need some technology to make two posts within a second. I dunno if you can do that, I'm a luddite on computers.
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Evening Spook.
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167 How do you do that ?
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Glasgow 21/12/2008 20:42:31
171 I see the Jewish courts as being a model for how sharia courts could operate actually. They are concerned with civil and religious matters. And of course we are all concerned about radicalisation, especially the muslims!
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Big Jock - read the Azeem Ibrahim article in the opinion section. That's about how to counter radicalisation, and the Scottish Govt are going the right way about it.
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177 Jeezo that must have cost you a fortune !
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Convenient get out clause for not having an IP address ?
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Glaslgow 21/12/2008 21:41:21
170. Would you have made that post before Al Quida came to prominence ? Because it seems to me quite frankly that it's only since then that this whole ''Islamist'' thing has become an issue. Prior to that, as I can recall, most hostility was reserved for Afro Carribeans, although not having too many of them in Scotland it didn't seem much of an issue. Those were in the days when Scots thought race wasn't a problem. Well, it isn't, it's politics that are the problem, as usual.
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Glasgow 21/12/2008 21:46:20
170 Forgot to mention the abvious - Al quida are not representative of anyone other than themselves and their bampot followers, who are actually very few in numbers and I am talking in global terms there.
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21/12/2008 21:49:52
Anyone know who was faking Ab Scot on the Salmond panto villain thread?

Rufus. You have to admit it was in your style of abusive posting. That and you seem unusually contrite now.

Shame really. It ruins these threads. Which was the whole point of the exercise I suppose.
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Glasgow 21/12/2008 21:50:54
174 Rufus I'm new on here, Herald refugee, so I don't know the background to any of this. My (limited) impression is that you're not the faker because why should you. I am also fairly positive that Aberdeen Scot is not mad, as I am fairly sure I recognise him as Ayrshire Scot from the Herald.


But I'll tell you both one thing - getting the moderators and paper involved in this won't work, they'll just close you down and bring in pre-moddied comments like they have on the H. That was the mistake I think that we made.

Just ignore the fakers. Without attention they will go away.
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Glasgow 21/12/2008 22:09:06
177 I am glad I spotted you. I think posting actually qualifies you as one of these FBI profilers they make programmes about.

Anyway good night all.
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Some of the fakers are really quite good and hard to spot. The best one researches old posts and copies the style and phraseology of their victim. This poster will attempt to carry on discussions with other posters using the assumed identity without being caught out and can be quite convincing.
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Shamus.,

Glasgow 21/12/2008 23:02:55
Hi Rufus.Whats happening?.
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Shamus.,

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Will the Asian man have a Stall at the Homecoming?, or does he have a shop near by?.
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Shamus.,

Glasgow 21/12/2008 23:15:53
Sorry Rufus, don't know what your saying,are you loosing it?
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Shamus.,

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Rufus are you on drugs?
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Shamus.,

Glasgow 21/12/2008 23:20:06
Rufus its ok that your into those sort of things,but Im not so lay off.
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Shamus.,

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Bye,Bye Rufus we love you man!!.
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Dragonhead,

Dalian,China 22/12/2008 04:47:17
The term Asians is also a problem. You are all proud to be Scots, yet you lump many nations under the catch all umbrella of "Asian".
Call them what they are,ie, Indian, Pakistani Burmese, Bangladeshi,Malay,Chinese,Japanese,Vietnamese Korean, Lao,Cambodian,Thai,etc.
Or are you all too thick to be able to distinguish between the races? Ah! well soon you will all be "Europeans", then see how you like it?
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Gorach,

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Aye,there's many a Jamaican with Scottish blood and a few Chinese and native American's as well.
They are all welcome.
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Dragonhead,

Dalian,China 23/12/2008 02:00:46
#196 Big Jock McDoc,Sugelan.
You need to catch up too mate.The Chinese government doesn't control me at all. Broadband is readily available to anyone here who wants to pay for it.Don't give me the usual dross about China.It is far more go ahead than any part of the UK.
In no way am I an apologist for China or the Chinese.They certainly do have problems, but most of what is written by western media, is absolute cr*p! Why let the truth get in the way of a good story,is so very very true.
Guga and co, look at the last 50 years or so on Tibet etc!59 years ago the communists took over in China.China and all it's history didn't just start then.Many in the west assume so.Tibet's present problems started with British interference and an incursion in 1913!
The ruling 'nobles' treated their own Tibetan people like and even referred to them as 'two legged animals'!
That is what many in the west are miguidedly and hell bent on inflicting again on Tibetans.They support the vociferous ones who have made protest a lucrative pastime.Those same scumbags who fled retribution in the 1950's, their descendants and their supporters.The Guga's of this world.
Britains meddling in others affairs is legion. Check world history for the past 300 years or so.You all crawl up Japan's ass, and revile China, strange indeed.

 
  

 
 

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