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Published Date: 03 December 2008
YOUNG girls are being sexualised by inappropriate toys and magazines, a Holyrood committee was warned yesterday.
High-heeled slip-on shoes available for babies, sexual slogans printed on girls' underwear and magazines "blurring" the lines by using child-like models, were highlighted to the equal opportunities committee.

And one of the most popular brands of dolls on shop shelves came in for particular criticism as the launch of the inquiry into the sexualisation of children.

Bratz dolls, which have been challenging Barbie for supremacy in the girls' toy market, were condemned by the NSPCC as the committee opened an inquiry into increasing levels of sexual imagery in goods aimed at children.

Tom Narducci, a senior consultant for the NSPCC, criticised the way dolls were dressed in short skirts and fishnet stockings and said they were sexualising girls as young as five.

The dolls were among a list of products and activities brought to the committee's attention.

There were also worries about young girls being given all-day beauty treatments with make-up and hair stylists, instead of traditional birthday parties.

But MGA Entertainments, which makes the Bratz dolls, hit back, saying that the problem had far more to do with what youngsters saw on television screens at home.

A spokesman said: "In the end, Bratz are plastic dolls which are conservatively dressed by today's standards.

"The only people who have sexual images of them are adults, who have their own thoughts about these things.

"What is of far more concern is some of the live-action programmes where girls get their role models. These role models start out as 13- or 14-year-old innocents and end up as promiscuous 16-year-olds or in nude pictorials."

The committee also heard criticism of Playboy Bunny images being used on pencil cases and clothes marketed at young children.

There were fears that, at the extreme end, the social sexualisation of girls was being used by paedophiles to make their victims feel responsible for abuse. And it was also feared that it could force children into prostitution.

Mr Narducci warned that girls were effectively being trained to become sexual objects.

He said: "The use of sexual imagery is now more pervasive than before and it does give a very disturbing perspective on girls and young women.

"For girls, it's all about being more attractive to a man. For boys, it's all about looking at girls as sexual objects because that is what they are being trained to become."

Ed Mayo, the chief executive of Consumer Focus, warned that young people were "more sexually confident now than they have ever been".

He added that this sexualisation affected their school-work and led to many girls dropping out of the school system.

But there was anger that some organisations had refused to turn up to the committee meeting. They included Playboy, which sent in a submission; Asda, which has been under fire for selling clothes which sexualise young girls; the Scottish Grocers Federation and the Scottish Retail Consortium (SRC).

In a written submission, Playboy's chief executive, Christie Hefner, said that she would never allow licensees to use the Playboy Bunny image on children's products.

Fiona Moriarty, the SRC director, wrote: "The SRC does not believe that much of the committee's focus is relevant to the retail sector – these issues are more aimed at the manufacturing and advertising sectors."

But members of the round-table discussion disagreed. Nationalist MSP Sandra White called the SRC's response "ridiculous". Ms White added: "They're absolving themselves completely, and that is absolutely wrong. I'm very disappointed with their attitude."


WHAT NEXT?

THE equal opportunities committee was yesterday attempting to "test the water" on the issue of whether young children are being sexualised by products.

The committee will now decide whether to take the issue forward as a full-blown inquiry when it next discusses its work programme.

The committee's Conservative convener, Margaret Mitchell, told The Scotsman that she believes there is a mood among members to take the discussions to a more formal stage. "I think the members of the committee found it a very positive and interesting meeting," she said.

"There is a lot of material to work on, but there is also a lack of proper research, which the committee could carry out. This is a subject that concerns people widely and one I think we are keen to pursue, but that ultimately is for the committee members to decide."

If the committee does hold a full inquiry into the issue, this can potentially form the background to new legislation, or could see the committee calling on the Scottish Government to take certain steps to tackle the problem.

It is likely organisations such as Asda, Playboy or retail industry representatives who declined to come to yesterday's meeting will be called on again to give evidence to justify some of their commercial activities.




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  • Last Updated: 03 December 2008 12:53 PM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
 
1

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 03/12/2008 00:57:01


It would appear some seem to have to justify in anyway they can, to what they get paid for.

While I can see and understand the many aspects of this report and article, I really think some are becoming quite paranoid and dare I say the word 'loony'.

And Why the quote:,
"will be called on again to give evidence to justify some of their commercial activities!?

Why should they?

And what the 'heck' next?

All Girls in Scotland, not allowed "Dolls" or pretty dresses, etc, etc, etc, etc,?

All Girls to have their 'Hair Shaved off'?

All Girls to only be allowed to go out in, 'Big-Black-Coats'?

For all time since we were all put on this 'Planet' "Girls", do dress different, love a 'make-over', play a 'Mummy' with dolls and teddies, love fancy shoes, blah, blah, blah.

This 'BY NO MEANS' Makes them go out and have sex at say 10years old, neither the FACT!!, unless one is a 'Perv' does it give out signals for 'Sexual Abuse'

Parents bring up their Children, standards are set!, both my Daughters got every 'Girlie' thing going, both have turned out to be fine Women and no problems in regarding this topic issue, as in 'sexual exploitations'

We have all had the 'Barbie Dolls' maybe the 'Mini Skirt', sexy stockings, fashion, blah, blah, in our lifetimes, it is called 'Human Nature'

Don't want your Daughter to have a "Playboy Pencil-case", "Knickers with logos", a "Make-over", blah, blah,....

...Then DON'T let them have one, it is for us to choose as parents and NOT the conitations of legistations!

Never mind the "I'm a Celebrity...Get me Out of Here!"

Soon it will become,...

"I'm in Scotland...Get me Out of Here!!!!!!"

2

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 03/12/2008 02:12:26


Scotland is becoming a,...'MAD HOUSE'!

Good Night!
3

SouthernSkye,

03/12/2008 07:17:46
It seems to be the sort of thing that is only pondered by the general public when it is highlighted by groups, quangos and given a good public airing in the press.
4

drunken proffet,

Tassy 03/12/2008 07:25:00
Well there is a difference between young girls wearing attractive clothes or being dressed like hookers. We had no problem being attracted to lassies wearing skirts below the knees and bright summer cottons. You really have to make your mind up, I would rather see girls of sixteen or seventeen dressing to attract the lustful desires of their male admirers than five year olds.
5

yockel,

03/12/2008 07:35:46
They have to be persuaded to consume products somehow. It's for the good of the economy.
6

Kornelius,

Aberdeen 03/12/2008 07:45:15
This is driven by women! They are inappropriately selling themselves and care not about damaging their young ones. They seem to have this pre-concieved idea that all men want and need a big boobed stick insect.
Ladies please be normal and be like men and accept the fact that we all cannot be adonises or barbie "Dolls".
Another female trait is to try to defy the sands of time and spend an incredible amount of money and time to reverse the aging process. Why can't they grow old gracefully? On the last point I have heard some ladies say that the reason they are doing all of this is because men could trade them in for a younger model!
This is so wrong. The big boobed stick insects are nuts! What a sad and superficial world we are in.
Mothers should be instructed to stop the fashion parade for the children, this is just another extension of their insecure concept of what is deemed as "Nice"

Quasimodo
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Stepford Nat,

03/12/2008 08:21:00
I have an Alex Salmond action man, made from an old teletubby (LaLa)
8

Donnie Murdo,

Western Isles 03/12/2008 08:21:32
Kornelius

You are right. However, men are to blame as we ALLOWED wimmen to do this to our kids.

Time to stand up and be counted me thinks.
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John M. Slusser II,

Nantwich 03/12/2008 08:25:42
Yes, yes. All you nay-sayers above, you are quite right. I mean, after all, who cares if the social standards are lowered or even tossed out the window? It is "enlightened" persons such as yourself who sit back and whinge when something DOES go wrong, and then you have no one to blame, oh but wait, yes you do; everyone BUT yourself.

I fully agree that if we want to end this, yet ANOTHER lowering of the social standards, it MUST start at home. Parents have the ABSOLUTE control over this with just a single word: no. But if parents fail, then this sort of dumbing-down continues to worsen, then you end up like the numpties above, posturing and blathering on trying to justify their permanent condition of synaptic misfiring on a most basic subject.

So parents, excercise your will and say no, and the rest of you, who most likely do not even have children (thank God) - stay out of it and stop muddying the waters.
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Bob Brundige,

Springfield, KY USA 03/12/2008 09:01:16
Seems like lamenting on this subject is too late. King Hedonism is a disgrace to adults, and now a 'must' for their children. Decent morals being mocked and ostracized is a sad sign of peril in the world (along with further hatred of the West).
11

wilfredthehairy,

The Scottish Asylum 03/12/2008 09:05:24
Dress them in black from head to toe. Stop them mixing with boys before they reach puberty. Force them to rote learn religious morality. I'm sure that would work. There are even cultural models we could adopt.
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Warden An' All, Reborn,

03/12/2008 09:07:52
What is wrong with suitable guidelines for manufactures and retailers?
13

FSU,

03/12/2008 09:12:08
CL wrote...

"And what the 'heck' next? All Girls in Scotland, not allowed "Dolls" or pretty dresses, etc, etc, etc, etc,? All Girls to have their 'Hair Shaved off'? All Girls to only be allowed to go out in, 'Big-Black-Coats'?"

So it's either this or high heels and fishnets on our daughters dolls? From one Father of daughters to another, why can't you appreciate the common sense position of middle ground and moderation?

My daughters love their dolls, dresses, and hairstyles, but we try to limit the Barbie (stereotype and) influence, and we don't buy them Bratz - for the same reason my wife refuses to buy the girls some of the revealing outfits on sale in children's departments.

I'm always surprised at the naivety of those who say "just don't buy the toys you don't want your kids to have." Why do you think advertisers pay millions of pounds to do what they do? They pay the big bucks because they know they influence people - whether or not they end up as a direct consumer of the product.
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Anonym,

03/12/2008 09:24:16
Warden asks - What is wrong with suitable guidelines for manufactures and retailers?

Well, define 'suitable'. What happens to manufacturers and retailers who choose to ignore these 'suitable guidlines'? It is they, after all, who have to sell the products and make a profit. Not a committee of mediocre control freaks.
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Highland Mist,

03/12/2008 09:38:30
Hollyrood is more needing to spend time effort and money in resolving the obesity crisis or the credit crunch in Scotland than on worrying about Barbie dolls.
16

Miss H,

03/12/2008 09:42:04
I agree with this concern, it is very worrying and I think it has a harmful effect on boys as well as girls. It is nonsense incidentally to blame women for this. The fashion industry, music industry and media industry is largely controlled by men. Women who speak out about it will routinely be labelled ugly, jealous lesbians - otherwise known as feminists. It needs men as well as women to take a stand.
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Highland Mist,

03/12/2008 09:45:28
Miss H, what a terriblly childhood *you* must have had!

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Miss H,

03/12/2008 09:46:41
14 Barbie is the least of it. A few years ago I was horrified when I went into a chain store and they were selling sexy lingerie across the age range for girls - and I'm talking about 3-5 year olds as well as older age groups. I complained, as did many people, and they withdrew the range and sent a letter saying that they realised it was inappropriate. But they only realised that after people had complained.

If folk aren't worried about shops manufacturing sexy underwear for little girls there is something very wrong with them.

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Highland Mist,

03/12/2008 09:46:46
Can you just begin to imagine what a Nicols Sturgeon doll would look like? Worst still, what it would come out with if were a talking doll.
20

Miss H,

03/12/2008 09:47:07
19 I'm guessing you don't have any children.
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Highland Mist,

03/12/2008 09:47:57
#20, little girls have always liked to dress up - it's the perverted adults who make it into something that it is NOT!
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03/12/2008 09:50:46
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Miss H,

03/12/2008 09:57:11
25 If your daughters are adult you don't really know what is going on now and clearly you don't care.

On the other hand if you think it is appropriate for 5 year old girls to be wearing glittery tee shirts embellished with the words Boy Toy then you are just a sicko.
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Anonym,

03/12/2008 10:03:21
Miss H...

You'd have to be a right busybody to worry yourself about other people's poor taste!

But you're welcome to your opinion.
25

Miss H,

03/12/2008 10:05:41
28 I am not worried about taste. I am worried about young girls being sexualised before they are physically or emotionally mature.
26

St Andrews Jock,

ST ANDREWS 03/12/2008 10:08:16
Can the Editor explain what 'sexualised' means. It could be a verb with that ending, but what does it mean? Could the paper be making words up?
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03/12/2008 10:11:09
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Highland Mist,

03/12/2008 10:11:51
#29, er take it back, you sound like a social worker.
29

Miss H,

03/12/2008 10:15:16
31 How obliging of you to prove the point I made at 18.

30

Observer. 1,

Glasgow 03/12/2008 10:25:51
Some of you don't need any lessons in misogyny do you. Make a statement that you're worried about little girls being sexualised - and left vulnerable as a result - and you are demonised as an interfering lesbian unmarried social worker.

Miss H is quite right, and if you lot are dads then I shudder for your children, especially if you have any girls. I just hope their mothers have more sense than you do.
31

Ananurhing,

03/12/2008 10:38:06
My wife recently received a kids gift mail order catalogue. In it were pictured a group of barely pubescent girls wearing nighties emblazoned with the slogan "Smile if you want me". What amazes me is that the merchandisers think this is acceptable.

I'm a father of two daughters, 9 and 11. I do worry. Between the exaggerated sexualised shape of some of their dollies, and the "role models" on TV, is it any wonder so many young girls grow up with "body issues".
The subliminal effect of this covert sexualisation is real should not be underestimated. Let them be wee girls for longer.

Mind you, I guess the words "Father", and "Daughters", says it all. It wasn't until that happened that I got in touch with my inner mujahadeen!
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03/12/2008 10:39:49
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Lauren C.,

Edinburgh 03/12/2008 10:40:36
#35
Miss H is perfectly correct, I too am worried about young girls being sexualised before they are physically or emotionally mature.

Highland Mist, your comment #23 'it's the perverted adults who make it into something that it is NOT!'
I take it you are one of these PERVERTED ADULTS!
#31 Can't put up a decent arguement, so just use SLANDER instead - speaks volumes about you!
34

Lauren C.,

Edinburgh 03/12/2008 10:48:51
#37
Yes, let them have their innocence and their childhood, after all, it doesn't last very long.

If I may quote #14
'Why do you think advertisers pay millions of pounds to do what they do? They pay the big bucks because they know they influence people'

These merchandisers should be prosecuted !
35

Ananurhing,

03/12/2008 10:48:59
#38 Vincent

You forgot "Single mother Barbie" which made a brief appearance on the shelves before being binned.
36

brianmca3,

the pits of hell 03/12/2008 10:49:00
yes once again we see the middle closs numptie whinging again
upper class like lords dont have to moan or prove a point
middle class long to be upper class,so whine and whine
working class couldnt give a monkeys
this is all the fault of pc brigade,liebour with its equal rights rubbish
why they would even shout equal rights for a donkey to do a dump on porty beach
whilst kids needing help are neglected by sadistic social workers
its only sexual if you think it
hmm load of pervs about
theres always a commitee about some thing,bet they have a commitee to look at commitees
bratz dolls? pure mince they are as bad as cabbage patch kids
we are bombarded by admen at this time of the season
wish they would all disapear up the north pole
37

Lauren C.,

Edinburgh 03/12/2008 10:51:48
#40 tu_campesino-ytu_obrero

I think you are writing on the wrong thread,
or are you just on another planet ?
38

The Master,

03/12/2008 11:10:41
I'm of the opinion that the problem is more fundamental than the committee has identified: this may be controversial, but I actually object to the colour coding of children's clothes and toys from an early age.

Why do girls' toys and clothes have to be pink? This is at the very root of the problem with sexualisation which the committee has identified, and I feel that a voluntary agreement (between the EU and major toy manufacturers?) that other colours should be used wherever possible would be a definite step in the right direction.
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Stickman,

03/12/2008 11:18:29

As a father, I simply cannot understand the mentality of parents who buy clothing for their children that makes them look like 21 year old lapdancers.

Obviously I'm neither a female, nor a lesbian. I just think that there's something wrong with adults wanting their kids to look fifteen years older than they are.
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Alternative (High-Octane) Fuel Head,

Edinburgh 03/12/2008 11:29:16
What a load of bloody rubbish.

Is this really what we use public money for? To employ a load of idiots to sit round a table and find fault with everything. These are KID'S TOYS for christs sake. They are not sexual icons or anything like them.

And the fools who posted on this thread agreeing with this waste of time need to get a life and get themselves out of their stupid, pink, fluffy bubble.
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Miss H,

03/12/2008 11:44:14
No this committee has caught on to something pretty fundamental. Whether they will be able to do anything about it is another matter. But lots of people are worried and it’s not just a case of saying it was better in our day. We do have a generation of kids who are often not allowed out to play because of their parents’ fears that it is not safe. They are overly protected in one sense, as they are not allowed to do things for themselves and take risks, but at the same time they are not being protected enough from adult sexual material which is completely inappropriate for children.
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03/12/2008 11:48:47
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Labas,

East 03/12/2008 12:00:19
#42
Ananurhing,

#38 Vincent

You forgot "Single mother Barbie" which made a brief appearance on the shelves before being binned.


Then there's the divorced Barbie which comes complete with Ken's hoose, Ken's car, etc.
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Alternative (High-Octane) Fuel Head,

Edinburgh 03/12/2008 12:20:33
#51:

I don't see "smile if you want me" as having sexual connotations at all---at least when it is printed on a ten-year-old's nightie. If it was emblazoned across Britney Spears' t*ts then it would be a completely diferent matter though!

People are getting it totally wrong here. They are taking words and/or imagery on their own, seeing how they could be made offensive and then, with that pretext already in their minds, put it in the context of it being printed on a kids nightshirt.

They are twisting things round deliberately to get an effect and they are expecting the rest of us to be so stupid as to agree with them, on pain of having serious aspersions cast upon us.

Seeing as a 10 year-old is going to be more concerned with being "wanted" in the sense of simply having people love him/her and want to be with him/her, I think it is absolutely criminal and irresponsible for supposedly educated people to link that with any suggestion of sexual relations. Especially when these people claim to have kids' interests at heart.

The ones who are coming out with all this twisted, sordid bile are the REAL problem... not the manufacturers of night-dresses.
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Miss H,

03/12/2008 12:29:32
56 That is either a very naive or a very disingenuous argument.
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Stickman,

03/12/2008 12:41:15

#56 - So where would YOU draw the line? Do you believe underwear for 12 year olds saying "sexy" on them is OK?

Is it acceptable that 13 year old girls have their bedrooms covered in items with the Playgirl logo, bought for them by their parents?

I'm just curious to know at what point would you object to some of the merchandise that is available?
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Ananurhing,

03/12/2008 13:03:00
#56 Fuel head

What utter boorish p*sh! I understand that you don't 'get it'. Testimony to your naivety which is no bad thing, but to come on here and berate anyone with concerns about such things just smacks of intolerance and ignorance. Which surprises me with you. (Testimony to my own naivety).

I don't really understand particle physics, but I don't come on here shouting about it and insulting those who do!

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Observer. 1,

Glasgow 03/12/2008 13:03:35
56 I have to assume you have never seen any of these products, you would not be so flippant if you had.


58 Yeah blame the mums. That's easy isn't it.
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go boil ur heid,

03/12/2008 13:15:37
it seems that people have forgotten what children actually are like. how many times did you used to see five or six years olds walking about the streets dressed in their mothers best fur coat shoes ect walking about with their pals. seems in the age of xbox children are being denied the right to use their immaginations but be wrapped in bubble wrap and kept indoors
51

Observer. 1,

Glasgow 03/12/2008 13:19:13
67 totally different. ''Dressing up clothes'' are innocent. Wearing your mum's shoes is innocent. This gear is not.
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Miss H,

03/12/2008 13:34:50
67 You have got that the wrong way round – they are being kept indoors because of exaggerated fears, which are encouraged by the very culture which sexualises them at the age of 5.

Perhaps there is much greater agreement here than people realise.

Let children be children instead of mini adults. Protect them from harm but don’t bubble wrap them. Most people would agree with that.
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Ananurhing,

03/12/2008 13:48:58
#67 Heid

I think you'll find the "bubble wrap" is the TV and merchandising responsible for the problem.
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Soosie,

03/12/2008 13:54:14
67, that is NOT the same thing.

A child innocently playing make believe grown ups with oversized dressing up clothes is one thing. A child dressed in provocative tops, mini skirts and high heels that actually come in their size is a different thing alltogether. The design of the clothes says "woman", while the label inside says "child".

A youngster marching round with a glitzy handbag or pencil case that advertises a company that makes its money by promoting sexual activity and female nudity cannot be right, surely?
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Soosie,

03/12/2008 14:08:52

#74 - Animals do not use pornography and images for sexual stimulation as some humans do, so the comparison isn't a fair one.

Society has a great deal to do with sexualisation, especially when adults haven't the brains to assess what is right and what is just plain wrong.
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Royalist,

03/12/2008 14:21:00
the nany state right enough.

parents ought to know whats appropriate for their kids.

the problem is over exposure to tv.

buy your young daugher (or son) a musical instrument.
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BryanTim,

Tampa 03/12/2008 18:02:49
Whose behind the filth??

www.kevinmacdonald.net/blog-Bratz.htm
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Scunnert,

03/12/2008 18:28:49
Can't be bothered reading the thread but will post a short comment. The universal use of sexual imagery targeted at young girls must be intentional and, therefore, part of an agenda.
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The real dracula,

03/12/2008 19:12:45
Am I missing something here surely its up to the parents not to buy clothing that makes their daughters look like 5luts.

Its very distasteful to see 9 year olds dressed like mini adults , with t shirts emblazoned with things like 'barby is a 5lut'.

Many young kids cant afford their own clothing so its down to the parents.

Bratz dolls are just toys
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Shamus,

03/12/2008 19:20:37
This is further proof that the Scottish Parliament is idle and a waste of taxpayers money. It is time the MSPS were given their marching orders.
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mk-ultra,

Edinburgh 03/12/2008 19:49:16
#78

I agree.
There is little doubt in my mind that there is an orchestrated campaign to sexualise children.
I think there are powerful people who would very much like to create a generation of dumbed-down little tarts who think that life is a shopping mall.
Child abuse is big business these days (Just google terms like "UN child prostitution" & Dyncorp Halliburton child sex slavery" and read a selection of the results).
I don't think it's purely about money either.
You can see evidence of this agenda in Government policy too.
Check out some of the following........

"Woolworths withdraws 'L*lita' bed"

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7222008.stm


"Tesco condemned for selling pole dancing toy"

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-412195/Tesco-condemned-selling-pole-dancing-toy.html


"Parents condemn Bhs for selling edible thongs, nipple tassels and other sex gifts next to children's toys"

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1085838/Parents-condemn-Bhs-selling-edible-thongs-nipple-tassels-sex-gifts-childrens-toys.html


"Now schools introduce a sex guide for your six-year-olds"

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1057397/Now-schools-introduce-sex-guide-year-olds.html


"Outrage at High School Musical knickers for young girls emblazoned with the words 'Dive In'"

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1044496/Outrage-High-School-Musical-knickers-young-girls-emblazoned-words-Dive-In.html


"McKinney Grills Rumsfeld"

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=eootfzAhAoU
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mk-ultra,

Edinburgh 03/12/2008 19:56:01
Incidentally, I think some of the people commenting on this thread need a good talking too.
Shameful.
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Shamus,

Glasgow 03/12/2008 20:25:33
81# According to all of you conspiracy theorists someone is always orchestrating something or another. Children are born sexulised and grow up to be sexulised adults. It is called nature. On the other hand Lucifer could be behind it.
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Observer. 1,

Glasgow 03/12/2008 20:41:32
84 No it's not Lucifer that's behind it, it's a giant fashion/diet/magazine/media/sex industry that's behind it, that wants little girls to grow up thinking they've gotta look like Pamela Anderson. And who will then spend a godam fortune trying to achieve that.

It's sick. And it interferes with the normal and healthy sexualisation of young women, which is supposed to happen naturally.
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mk-ultra,

Edinburgh 03/12/2008 20:59:44
#83

And according to all you "coincidence theorists", no-one ever orchestrates anything.
Apparently, there's no such thing as social-engineering.
Apparently, despite the fact that massively powerful private institutions and governments spend astronomical amounts of money on "think-tanks" and "public-relations", our societies just bumble along from day to day with no-one planning anything in particular.
No-one ever "conspires" to do anything do they?
Don't be chump.
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Shamus,

Glasgow 03/12/2008 21:04:14
84# I will bet you have had a goosy at Pamela running slowly on the sand. I have to disagree. Only nature takes its course. A doll is just a doll. Maybe a doll burning is on the SNP list of things to do. Along with banning twenty year olds from buying a kerry oot.
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Observer. 1,

Glasgow 03/12/2008 21:11:02
Shamus dear, I'm the mum, Pamela leaves me quite unmoved.

I'm dead against the alcohol ban, I'm dead against any form of infringement on civil liberties, or people's right to make a choice.

I just don't agree with treating little girls as sex objects and attempting to brainwash them, fortunately it doesn't work, but it just makes the mum's job that wee bit tougher.
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Shamus,

Glasgow 03/12/2008 21:19:11
87# I appreciate that it is 'hard tae be a wummin' however half decent parents I am sure are perfectly capable of looking after the weans. Dolls have been on the go for centuries and will remain so. I bet you had a few wee dollies in your time. I will bet your man oogled at Pamela.
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Observer. 1,

Glasgow 03/12/2008 21:22:01
Nothing wrong with a bit of ogling in an adult, as long as I can ogle men too. I just don't think wee lassies should dress to be ogled, it's not nice, and I think you realise that too. Nothing to do with dolls.
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Shamus,

Glasgow 03/12/2008 21:33:45
89# I agree. Responsible parenting is the answer.
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Brodric,

03/12/2008 23:25:44
No 47 Stickman said 'As a father, I simply cannot understand the mentality of parents who buy clothing for their children that makes them look like 21 year old lapdancers'.

Couldn't agree more - and also with Miss H and Soosie and others who spoke in the same vein.

Children don't need fashion, they need clothes. Decent clothing for children is hard to find these days because of the oversexualisation of it. It is quite bothering but when you see the way some mothers dress it almost explains it. I don't want to see mummy's lovehandles (especially in a size 22 and red raw and purple with the cold) and nor do I want to see children looking like 'lapdancers' as Stickman says.

Some of the people on this site need to get a reality check. Childhood is a quite short period when children are learning about life in general, and themselves in particular. They love dressing up. I remember wearing the high heels of one neighbour and many other garish things from the wardrobes of my mother and her friends. It was great fun. But it was fun, not real and didn't involve looking grown up beyond my years. My children did the same. And we made costumes for parties: everything from animals to punks and angels. But sexy - DEFINITELY NOT.


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Shamus,

Glasgow 03/12/2008 23:44:28
91# You seem to be an expert on what is sexy. Pray tell.
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Aslan,

Edinburgh 04/12/2008 00:46:06
#56 - you are SO outed!

Typing away your predictable, daily, 'as soon as the new edition is online' rant about how anyone who doesn't smoke / work in IT / drive a Jag / worship at the shrine of St Clarkson / ignore the existence of bus lanes / avoid public transport / only listen to music made before 1977 / hate speed cameras ('purely there to make moneyZZZZZZZ') / fail to spell PRIVELIGE correctly ....

We wake up from that, then find that you fail to sense that a young girl wearing a slogan that is (to quote you) fit to be "emblazoned across Britney Spears' t*ts" might in any way be considered a tad inappropriate.

I rest my case! You have threatened to emigrate in the past - why not now?
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cambeuluk,

Cheshire 04/12/2008 01:10:52
Sexualised behaviour has been defined as ‘acts, words or behaviour designed or intended to arouse or gratify sexual impulses and desires'

This report (along with several others) highlights the fact that sexualised images of girls and young women in advertising, merchandising and the media is harmful to girls' self-image and healthy development. In other words, the media and the toy industry's portrayal of young women as sex objects harms girls' mental and physical health.

My agreement with these findings is not a knee-jerk reaction which seeks to write off such research as yet another attempt to control what the general public can do in their private lives, nor is it a thinly-veiled criticism of caring parents who, in good faith, give in to their children's media-influenced passion for the latest manifestation of a toy industry more interested in profit than children's healthy development. On the contrary, my views are based on factual evidence gathered from working as a specialist in child mental health for the past fifteen years.

I have worked with children as young as four years of age who, because of sexual abuse have displayed extremely precocious sexualised behaviours. This must of course, be differentiated from the behaviour of the majority of children who have not been abused. What I find disturbing is the way in which this latter group is now beginning to exhibit sexualised behaviour previously only observed in abused children. Of even greater concern is when this is carried through to actual sexual approaches to other children.

The problem for parents (and the rest of society) is that the images we see and the sexualisation of girls and young women in magazines, television, video games and music videos all have a negative effect, leading to a lack of confidence with their bodies as well as depression and eating disorders.

Not for one moment am I suggesting that all parents who respond to their child's expert pressure (and there is no li
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cambeuluk,

Cheshire 04/12/2008 01:13:32
..Not for one moment am I suggesting that all parents who respond to their child's expert pressure (and there is no living being as efficient in getting their own way as children!) to buy the 'latest' over-priced, over-hyped merchandise are irresponsible. Many parents who have read about this research can justifiably feel a little aggrieved at what they see as an unwarranted interference in their parenting decisions. To some degree I can see their point. The problem with the release of such research findings is that whilst they may be based on validated data, it is not just the implications of what it says. but also what it 'doesn't' say which is important.

It is almost impossible for parents in any part of an industrialised, 'developed' society such as we have in Britain to prevent their children from being exposed to the all-pervading influences of the media and the cascade down into peer-pressure. What does make a marked difference in what effect this onslaught has on impressionable, young minds is the modifying influence of good parenting. This is why any research should, rather than be seen in isolation, spur us into making sure that parents have all the assistance and resources they require to deal with the complexity of parenthood in the twenty first century.

What I do know from my own experiences in treating children is that rather than the malign influences of modern media and merchandising acting in isolation on children's behaviour, it is mainly the way in which parents control what their children do with this barrage that is the ultimate decider. Without any doubt, the pressures of modern life make good parenting even more difficult then in the past.

No one actually announced the date on which our society would change, Radical change rarely comes in with the sunrise. It creeps into our midst almost unnoticed and becomes so interwoven with our lives that it seems as if it was always there. When older people who grew to maturity in a time befor
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cambeuluk,

Cheshire 04/12/2008 01:18:16
When older people who grew to maturity in a time before these changes took hold are often dismissed in our society as 'old fashioned' and 'out of touch'. Some of them may be, but we risk throwing the real baby out with the bath water if we do not pause and think before rushing headlong into what we think is a brave, new world of free-for-all.

Some people however, did not lose sight of the risks we are running and a task force was set up to examine mounting public concern about the sexualisation of young girls. 'Sexualisation' was defined by the task force as "occurring when a person's value comes only from her/his sexual appeal or behaviour, to the exclusion of other characteristics, and when a person is sexually objectified, e.g., made into a thing for another's sexual use". The researchers examined and analysed the content and effects of television, music videos, music lyrics, magazines, films, video games and the internet. Advertising campaigns and the merchandising of products aimed at girls was also examined.

Recent examples include the presentation of young pop 'celebrities' dressed as sex objects, dolls aimed at young girls with provocative clothing such as fishnet tights on dolls, thongs for seven to 10-year-olds and adult models dressed as young girls. It rather risky (since it is an unproven generalisation) to dismiss such concerns by declaring that providing children with the latest fad (irrespective of its appearance) is merely giving them a 'toy'. This is an adult view. Children see such things as something else, even if they use familiar labels such as 'toy' or 'doll'.

Children's play is not directly comparable to adult play. Children learn though play and the props involved take on a life and a reality that is unrecognised by adults. Many adults are extremely gullible in that they unquestionably believe what they read in newspapers and see on television, but they still have more experience of life to draw upon in making choices, Children
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cambeuluk,

Cheshire 04/12/2008 01:20:35
Children do not and television images and aids to play are a parallel world within which they develop the skills they will need in later life. Play is recognised as a major route to learning, particularly in children’s early years both in respect of their physical and mental health rather than a means to simply occupy their time. The choice of what elements are involved in such activities are therefore extremely important. All responsible parents know that it is important to choose their children's toys careful taking account of factors such as

are they:

* well-made (with no sharp parts or splinters and do not pinch)
* painted with nontoxic, lead-free paint
* shatter-proof
* easily cleaned

In addition to being physically safe, toys for children need to match their stages of development and emerging abilities. It is not the responsibility of children to decide what matches their stage of development. Pester power may wear parents down to the point where they will give in to demands for the latest fashion, but a 'Peekaboo pole-dancing kit', thongs for young girls emblazoned with the phrase “eye candy” and toys stamped with the bunny logo of the Playboy empire whilst they may hold an innocent attraction for children are not age appropriate, Children should be able to encounter and evaluate such products from a perspective of greater maturity and understanding.

It is an uncomfortable fact that those working in the field have found that our current preoccupation with stereotypical sexual imagery and pushing children into developing an extreme body consciousness at a young age reveals evidence of a negative effect on young women's cognitive and emotional development. This can lead to an undermining of a woman's confidence in and comfort with her own body, resulting in emotional and self-image problems, such as shame and anxiety. This has a link with three of the most common mental health problems diagnosed in girls and women, eating disor
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cambeuluk,

Cheshire 04/12/2008 01:21:59
eating disorders, low self-esteem, and depression or depressed mood and affects a girls' ability to develop a healthy sexual self-image.

If anyone reading this considers I am overstating the case, I suggest you try my job for a few weeks and meet as many children as I do and then come back and tell me I am imagining this.

Women (and some men) have fought hard for women's emancipation and there is an on-going fight to break through the glass ceiling in so many walks of life. My own mother (who was a doctor) and now my wife (a journalist) have experience of how far women still have to travel to truly be valued in our society for what they are and what they can do, not how they look. This devaluing of a person's totality as a human being is now beginning to be applied to men also. Sexualised images (especially of girls) need to be replaced with ones showing them in positive settings that demonstrate their uniqueness and competence.

Government has a responsibility to reduce the use of sexualised images in the media and advertising. The last thing we should be doing is demonising parents. Rather should we be supporting them for It is important that parents, along with school officials, and health professionals be alert to the potential impact on girls and young women.
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cambeuluk,

Cheshire 04/12/2008 01:23:12
The introduction of 'Media Studies' in schools and colleges has often been vilified as a non-subject by self-appointed inspectors of our education system. It is not my brief to judge the merits of this part of the curriculum however. What i would say is that there is an argument in-favour of schools teaching pupils media literacy skills linked to information provided in school sex education programmes on the negative effects of images portraying girls as sex objects. I am heartened that there are still millions of young people who are able to mature into well-adjusted, happy adults in-spite of the garbage they may have had to wade through in their formative years. However, I am also acutely aware of the large, hidden minority who do not survive undamaged from a world dominated by plastic images of reality which have invaded their lives, unchallenged by those responsible for their well-being.
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mk-ultra,

Edinburgh 04/12/2008 05:10:47
Normal, healthy sexual development is being challenged not only by our toxic culture, but also by toxic chemicals in the environment.

Question.....
If sp3rm counts in males have fallen by 50% in 50 years, as a result of specific chemicals in our environment, and the level of these chemicals continues to rise unabated, how long will it take for sp3rm counts to fall by 100% ?


"Canada to ban baby bottles with 'gender-bending' chemical "

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/3228161/Canada-to-ban-baby-bottles-with-gender-bending-chemical.html


"The Disappearing Male"

http://www.cbc.ca/documentaries/doczone/2008/disappearingmale/

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7530701744597358451&ei=KyA3SauzD4e2iAKH2pCqCQ&q=the+disappearing+male


"Girls entering puberty by the age of six - but are drugs the answer?"

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-473584/Girls-entering-puberty-age--drugs-answer.html




81

Royalist,

04/12/2008 09:58:44
Bring back The Smurfs.

Problem solved.
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mk-ultra,

Edinburgh 06/12/2008 21:39:13
#90

Incredible as it may seem, I think this is true.
Scientists have known about the estrogen-mimicking properties of bisphenol A since at least the 1940's.
Did they just somehow forget about this when they decided to start using it in baby bottles and food containers?
I smell a rat.

 

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