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Published Date: 02 June 2008
CITY leader Jenny Dawe has thrown her support behind controversial plans to introduce a bed tax for visitors to Edinburgh.
In a move which puts the idea back on the agenda, the Lib Dem leader said the extra money would be "very useful" for the city.

The proposal involves adding a charge of about 2 per cent to hotel bills, to raise extra cash for major tourism initiat
ives. The cash would be ringfenced to help pay for festivals, events and marketing ventures – a principle commonplace in Europe and America.

SNP councillor Tom Buchanan, the city's economic development leader, supports the scheme, but many hoteliers are against it.

The Edinburgh Principal Hotels Association (EPHA), which represents some of the main hotels in the Capital, last month declared the plans "dead in the water".

But Cllr Dawe's intervention – under questioning from the Tories – shows the debate is not over.

"I'm personally in favour of the transient visitor levy (TVL), or bed tax by another name" she said. "Nobody would really notice it, but it could bring in a very useful bit of money." Recent studies indicate that Edinburgh faces increasing competition from other cities to attract tourists.

Pete Irvine, creator of the city's Hogmanay celebrations, believes money raised from visitors staying in the city should be ringfenced for the New Year budget.

Research has found that the TVL, which has been hugely successful in Vancouver, could generate an extra £3.2 million a year to supplement any national funding.

However, there is growing opposition from leading industry figures amid concern about damage to Edinburgh's reputation.

For the project to work, it is likely to need the support of tourism chiefs. Simon Williams, head of the EPHA, said: "The association is saying this is something it's not looking to consider."

David Hinnrichs, from the Edinburgh Hotel and Guesthouse Association, who runs the Allison Guesthouse in Newington, added: "The majority of hoteliers are against it right now, but a lot more information is needed.

"Edinburgh has to come up with more finance for tourism, and I don't know how we take that forward. I'm not totally against a levy – though I'd like us to look at other ways of finding money first."

Mr Hinnrichs said a levy on small bed-and-breakfasts might be unfair, but tourists already paying £250 for a hotel bed would be unlikely to notice the increase.

Tory Fountainbridge and Craiglockhart councillor Gordon Buchan, who challenged Cllr Dawe on the issue, said he was concerned a bed tax would put people off visiting the city.

"It would make Edinburgh a less attractive place for tourists," he said. "With the credit crunch, we need to make sure Edinburgh is as attractive for foreign and domestic visitors as possible."





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Alternative (High Octane) Fuel Head,

Edinburgh 02/06/2008 14:16:58
Lets slowly strangle the one thriving industry Edinburgh has got left shall we?

This year it may be 2%. I'd be willing to bet anything you like that in 10 years time it will be 25%.
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P I Staker,

wherever 02/06/2008 14:26:42
Hey, the reporter seems to have picked things up wrongly, what was really said was
"Pete Irvine, creator of the city's Hogmanay celebrations, says "money raised from visitors staying in the city should be ringfenced for me"."
3

Albina,

Harrogate 02/06/2008 14:37:07
I think visitors will think twice before visiting Edinburgh.

There a thousands of holiday spots that will give better value for money.

I rent out a house in Edinburgh and am quite satisfied with what I get. I have found that people come back again and again and some of their friends have come too.

This is a really daft idea and will hurt Edinburgh a lot.

Albina
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Gregor Addison,

Glasgow 02/06/2008 15:42:32
I can't see how anyone can afford to visit Edinburgh. Glasgow is much cheaper, has better nightlife. Once you've paid £11 to get into the castle, £7 or £8 to get into the Camera Obscura, £8 or more to get into Mary King's Close, thrown in lunch and dinner, as well as transport, you won't have much left out of £60 or so. At least in Glasgow the museums are all free. Edinburgh needs to rethink it's strategies on attracting tourists.
5

gotalottosay,

02/06/2008 15:43:27
are they trying to chase visitors away. visitors love the city, we need the money and jobs that their visits provide. away and pick on something else if you want a new "tax"
6

Andrah,

Embrugh 02/06/2008 15:46:34
I would think Edinburgh's costs already take some visitors' breath away without fleecing them for an extra tax which will no doubt vanish without trace into the city's bloated administration.
7

ddmc,

02/06/2008 15:49:52
Amsterdam apply tourist taxes & continues to have one of the highest room occupation %'s in Europe, maybe we need windmills, clogs or dope to attract more people. As long as the tax is < £5 per stay then i dont see a problem. But as ever with politicians they always want a bigger slice of the pie this will cause problems due to their greed.
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Brian M,

Edinburgh 02/06/2008 16:12:06
Please, no more taxes.

Anyway, I'm sure the tourists spend many more millions of pounds in shops, theatres, restaurants, transport, etc.

And is there really a need for the council to create any more 'tourist initiatives'?

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02/06/2008 16:26:28
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SPG,

edinburgh 02/06/2008 16:46:38
Item 1 on council agenda - Bed tax. Hurrah. Item 2 on agenda - Increase in councilors expenses. Hurrah Hurrah.
11

Foresight,

By the Water of Leith 02/06/2008 16:56:48

Why would anyone wish to visit Edinburgh with its litter strewen streets, broken pavement slabs and road works at every corner. The powers that be in this City lack management skills - after all who would be so out of touch as to commence roadworks at Roseburn over this past weekend when a prestigous international rugby tournament was taking place at Murrayfield. If I had travelled all the way from New Zealand to support my team I would in these circumstances have been mightly put out if expected to pay a bed tax.
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celtic4,

USA 02/06/2008 17:21:16
Edinburgh can keep the bed tax. My friend and I have no plans to even drive into that city,albeit it is the capitol. We're staying in Stirling.
With costs being what they are, I would think they would be rather looking at how to SAVE tourists money instead of making them pay more.
And Bed and Breakfasts at least feed you one meal,more than can be said for hotels. And more friendly and cozy to boot. Not coming to Edinburgh.
13

Farmernot,

02/06/2008 17:26:25
Jenny hen.........go back to sleep.

Tax it .....Tax it .....Tax it...........where's ma free sannies at the cooncil !!!????
14

archie12,

02/06/2008 17:30:38
Just what does Pete Irvine hold over the Evening News that it quotes him (and several other rent a gobs) at the drop of a hat? He wants money gained from a tourist tax to be ringfenced for his awful Hogmanay?
This greedy leech just sooks stronger at stronger at the municipal tit until eventually it will run dry and the present administration is as much under his control as the corrupt last one. Waken up!
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archie12,

02/06/2008 18:01:59
#15 Actually, numbers of visitors have dropped for many reasons including the fact that every street worth a name is being dug up, every related route is being dug up and the place looks like a deserted building site because of the tramworks.
BTW I forgot to mention that if you criticise Pete Irvine you get censored in the EN because he doesn't allow that either.
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Mike555,

02/06/2008 18:05:28
Another wonderful wheeze thought up by an overpaid Lib Dem Councillor who wants to fleece tourists, wants to be famous but will end up driving visitors to the city away big time. Get a life woman!!!


17

badger464,

02/06/2008 18:14:19
what happened to free markets and the propensity to spend, adam smith would turn in his grave
18

BusOff,

West Linton 02/06/2008 19:22:53
They have the brass neck to advertise Edinburgh as a place to visit then want to hit them with a BED TAX!!!!

Bet this will not appear in the welcoming pack to Edinburgh - Its Trus Glasgow's Smiles Better!!!!

Blood Suckers
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Douglas,

Bathgate 02/06/2008 19:44:32
It could be spun as a donation to the preservation fund for those parts of Auld Reekie at risk from tidal surges due to global warming and the provision of sturdy work clothes for workers

The levi and levee levy. ;O)
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02/06/2008 20:48:35
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Active Sassenach,

Luton, England 02/06/2008 22:17:31
TVL, a transient visitor levy? There is nothing transient about my visits to Edinburgh. As a former member of Standard Life from 7 March 1980 to 9 July 2006, I remain a policyholder and shareholder. When I visit Edinburgh I do so at my own expense. If you increase those expenses, unless my income increases, I will visit less often.

Low starting rates sweetened by hypothecation soon become a constraint on business costs and a curse on non-business users. What finance does the tourist industry actually need from public funds? If you spend my bed tax on amenities I do not wish to use, I will visit even less often. As a bed-tax payer, will I be consulted on how the money is used? No taxation without representation is a model rule!

22

Commited to Independence,

Scotland 03/06/2008 08:39:04
Unbelievable accomodation prices in the UK are already higher than anywhere else.
The only thing our politicians seems to be able to show any competancy on is imposing new taxation.
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Citylocal Fife,

Fife News 03/06/2008 08:41:34
It's the thin end of the wedge, and although the tax is (currently) set low, it is the perception that will put tourists off. There is a world recession and people will now be watching their expenses very carefully.

Taxes (quite rightly) smack of a rip off to cover the inadequacies and/or lack of local and national government ability in financial planning.
Did I mention Trams?
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Citylocal Fife,

Fife News 03/06/2008 08:50:04
It's the thin end of the wedge, and although the tax is (currently) set low, it is the perception that will put tourists off. There is a world recession and people will now be watching their expenses very carefully.

Taxes (quite rightly) smack of a rip off to cover the inadequacies and/or lack of local and national government ability in financial planning.
Did I mention Trams?
25

Why can't I use my usual name?,

Glasgow 03/06/2008 12:09:11
This is quite a sensible (and not even very novel) idea, as long as it's kept fairly low. Perhaps Edinburgh residents would rather their Council Tax was increased instead though.
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Merlin029,

Edinburgh 03/06/2008 14:14:07
Perhaps the article should have mentioned the very low tax rates in the countries this has been applied. Its not the same here - with very high taxes everywhere you look. Tourists contribute a huge amount to Edinburgh -were does she think the huge rates bills for tourism businesses are funded? It would be interesting to know how much of the revenue generated by tourism is put back to support the industry - a very small percentage I would suggest.

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Starkravingsane,

Edinburgh 05/09/2008 11:40:33
#16
By the way, what the h3ll is going on at the foot of Lothian Road again? It's just newly come out of an extended period of muddle and mayhem, was running freely for about a week - and now we're back to bollards, cones and chaos.
What a bunch of incompetents.
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duelay no more,

perth 08/10/2008 12:43:58
RINGFENCED...my big toe.
These taxes will just be wasted on another nonsense project or used to bolster the council workers pension scheme.

Now THAT probably is Ringfenced !!!

 

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