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Published Date: 02 December 2008
By ANGUS HOWARTH
THE Conservative Party's lead over Labour has been slashed to just one point in a poll published last night.
The ComRes survey put the Tories down two percentage points since last month on 37 per cent and Labour up five on 36 per cent, suggesting that the "Brown bounce" remained on track.

The Liberal Democrats were up one percentage point on 17 per
cent.

If repeated in a general election, the findings would give Labour a small majority due to imbalances in the UK's first-past-the-post electoral system.

The poll will encourage renewed talk of an election next year, coming after indications since last week's Pre-Budget Report that the Tories had put an end to a recent Labour surge.

They are the best findings for Labour since January, when an Ipsos Mori poll put the party one point ahead of the Tories.

The ComRes survey suggests that working-class voters have responded well to the PBR, which heralded a new 45p top rate of income tax for those earning more than £150,000 a year.

Labour support among the bottom social group, DE, has risen to 51 per cent from 35 per cent last month, it found.

ComRes contacted 1,005 British adults between 28 and 30 November .





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1

the.ally ,

max. 02/12/2008 01:20:24
Aye, this 'Brown-bounce' has just about bounced oot-the-windee.

The man's a fool.

For God's sake, let's get rid of him.
2

Wardog™,

02/12/2008 01:28:05


bounce bounce thud

100,000's of Job Losses
UK worst placed to recover from deep recession
Unprecedented National Debt
Unprecedented levels of personal debt
Our banks nationalised or taken over
Threat of reflation


Yes, let's vote gordon back into power, you know it makes sense





3

Steve A.,

02/12/2008 01:30:23
Looks like liebour have taken to rigging opinion polls as well as by elections .


Who in their right mind would believe this p!sh ?

Excluding that prize to$$er Rufus .
4

Allan(handofgod137),

02/12/2008 01:46:37
And the band played "Believe it if you like"
5

Edward,

02/12/2008 02:06:16
It will be intersting to see if this so called lead can hold. Labour are now diving further into the mire, with the arrest of an opposition MP, and earning the new title of ZANU Labour. Magabrown is also mired in sleaze with his chum Ed Balls aka Mr Yvette Cooper as regards a a shady deal involving the Smith Institute
6

Castaway™ ,

02/12/2008 02:24:11
The poll will encourage renewed talk of an election next year.
Tick Tock!Tick Tock!Tick Tock! to the next UK general election
23 Feb/20 Apr 2009 Parliament returns from recess.
4 Jun 2009 EU elections and local government elections in certain parts of England.
12 Oct 2009 Parliament returns from summer recess.
6 May 2010 local elections in all London Boroughs, and 134 other English Local Authorities.
3 June 10 last possible UK general election date.
Months in which general elections have been held since 1945 and number in that month:-Feb-2; Mar-1; Apr-1; May-4; Jun-4; Jul-1; Oct-4
7

subrosa,

02/12/2008 03:00:39
Another labour press release. Do you think Simon Pia has a permanent desk in the Scotsman's offices?
8

BIG EYE,

Paisley 02/12/2008 05:27:47
Three polls in the last week 15 point Tory lead,11 point Tory lead and this one from Comres who gave Labour the huge lead in Glasgow East.

Not difficult to pick out the rogue one!
9

KampungHighlander,

Jakarta 02/12/2008 06:03:38
"Labour support among the bottom social group, DE, has risen to 51 per cent from 35 per cent last month, it found."

What does DE stand for? Delusional Eijet? Developmentally Excluded? Drinks Embalming-Fluid? Depraved Embicile? Downtrodden Excrement?

Does anyone know the Answer?


10

Angleland Isover,

02/12/2008 06:37:03
#9 Deluded england.
11

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02/12/2008 07:53:05
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steve 1511,

aberdeen 02/12/2008 07:54:47
were is our great leader comrade broon,has he gone into hiding as crisis after crisis engulfs the babbling eejits sleaze and corruption party.
13

Doh,

02/12/2008 08:54:12
#8

I dont know if I would say rogue poll - but to me it indicates volatility - i.e. the Tory lead is just a reaction against a duff Labour government.

David Cameron is a lightweight and George Osbournce pals arounf with fat cats and Russian oligarchs - why would they be better than Buster Broon.

14

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02/12/2008 09:20:00
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Mr. Lachie Todd,

Edinburgh 02/12/2008 09:24:36
Brown's gamble on returning to Labour's "socialist" roots
might well pay off and confound everyone?
16

An Greumach Mor,

Scotland 02/12/2008 09:24:42
I find it unusual that the Scotman are running two stories today.

One Labour behind by 15 points

One Labour ahead by 1 point

Do they read this nonsense before publishing.
17

caithness,

frozen north 02/12/2008 09:33:29
Don't believe a word of it. This poll apparently shows Labour 2 points ahead of the Tories in the South East of England! Total rubbish.
18

Tigerail,

Lutterworth 02/12/2008 09:41:58
Sorry. Rogue poll. All other polls show the opposite.
Brown thud being heard all over country.
19

subrosa,

02/12/2008 09:45:28
# 12

You know I was thinking that last night when Jacqui Smith was being fried on the news. 'Where's your boss?' sprang to mind. He hasn't been seen since Sunday am when he was interviewed on a train - or was it Saturday.

Speak about supporting your colleagues - I'm so glad I'm not a member of the labour party if that's the quality of support given.
20

Typo,

Devon 02/12/2008 10:04:48
I’m assuming this was a poll of the criminally insane, with a free lollipop for everyone who voted Broon’s way.
21

Alan B,

02/12/2008 10:11:01
Why would anyone with any intelligence consider voting for Brown? He has wrecked the economy of the country.
22

Alternative (High-Octane) Fuel Head,

Edinburgh 02/12/2008 10:25:51
Well, there you have it. If these polls are to be believed, this is absolute, incontrovertable proof that the population of the UK really are stupid.
23

Warden An' All, Reborn,

02/12/2008 10:48:34
Anyone in scotland with a half a mind will look at what’s happening at the present with the recession and will go running blindly over their own feet into the snp sewer. That is what you get if you only have a half a mind.
Anyone with all their faculties would realise the folly of blaming the recession on this government when the media has been shouting the USA from the roof tops for some time now.
Anyone with all their faculties would also have realised the British government’s response to this crisis will take them to there full term in office unless there is a major improvement in the economy before hand.
Those with their full set of faculties know at this time it is important to steady the ship by the measures at our disposal, in this case those prescribed by the British government. Not to do so is a sure fire way into deeper recession. Maybe even the snp will realise even their own plans have no future until this recession is over.
24

brownlie,

02/12/2008 10:53:21
21 Alternative

Yes, that is precisely what we are banking on at Labour Hq - it's the only thing that can save us now especially as we can rely on Warden's support. "There's none as blind as those who cannot see" will be our election campaign!
25

Westfield Bairns,

falkirk 02/12/2008 10:59:21
This sounds like a dodgy oppinion poll to me. Gordon Brown has very little chance of being re-elected. Things are only going to get worse for the economy and events just happen to have transpired to make Broon look good in the short term. Brown along with his Scotch Minnions are disliked in England and even more so in Scotland, he won't be welcome back in Scotland when he is punted
26

puskas,

East kilbride 02/12/2008 11:14:42
No12, steve 1511.......

Broon and advisor Mandelson ( man in charge ) are at this moment attempting to arrange another save the world tour.
27

Queen D,

Glasgow 02/12/2008 11:14:52
Was'nt there a bunch of dodgy pollsters a little while ago?
Used by the Government to push their agenda and make Brown look good?
Since they were flushed out could there possibly someone stepping into their shoes encouraged by the scrupulous Meddlesome?
28

puskas,

East kilbride 02/12/2008 11:22:25
Every political show on television where the public are involved show a massive contempt for this Liebour Government.

Q/T as an example that programmes different parts of the country each week gives a quite realistic intent of the voting public. Massive majority of each audience certainly will not vote Liebour.
Contempt is to mild a word as its obvious hatred towards Liebour would be more accurate.
29

puskas,

East kilbride 02/12/2008 11:23:52
No24, Westfield Bairns...

How true
30

The Federalist (the poster formerly know as NAUON),

02/12/2008 11:33:25
A lot of people don't understand the vagaries of our electoral system.

The Tories need to win by 9-10% just to get a majority - Labour can be up to 5% behind and still be the largest party.

The Tories are going to find it hard to get the lead they require. Moreover, like Doh (#13) I am convinced that their support is very soft - built on a reaction to Labour rather than any enthusiasm for them. The closer we get to the General Election the more that the Tory policies will come under the microscope.

Cameron is in many ways a Blair lite clone trying to get elected by talking as little as possible about his own policies.

The most likely result the way things are going is that no party will win and we will have a hung parliament. Anything is then possible. What price for there being a move towards PR as the price of Lib Dem support for a minority government?
31

The Federalist (the poster formerly know as NAUON),

02/12/2008 11:37:22
#27 "Every political show on television where the public are involved show a massive contempt for this Liebour Government."

I would not take that as being representaive of the public at large. A large number of people have contempt for ALL politicians. In any case, we used to see a similar reaction to Thatcher's Tories but that did not prevent people voting for them. The phenomenon of the secret Tory may equally be at play here - except that this time it is the secret Labour voters - those who vote Labour but won't admit it.
32

John S,

02/12/2008 12:17:44
Yet while Clarke suspects Brown is aiming for a 2009 election, he also believes the PM will once again back away in the face of the opinion polls
Two things guide Gordon - opinion polls and newspaper headlines. He reminds me of Harold Wilson; I can detect no other guiding principle.Ken Clarke 20 Nov 2008

33

Nikostratos,,

02/12/2008 12:26:55
At last a true and accurate opinion poll
34

Melly,

Dunblane 02/12/2008 12:31:42
All unionist out there don`t semm to have got it yet, England will NOT vote in Liebour at any election in the near future. We have just returned to Scotland after spending 10 years in Sussex and I can tell you that GB, AD et all are HATED by your average Englishman, and that`s across all strata of society. The credit crunch has only intensified their hatred not lessened it.
35

St. George,

Lancashire 02/12/2008 12:34:12
No. 10.

Believe me, we are not deluded.

Everyone I speak to detests Gordon Brown and his government.

Perhaps the poll was done in the English equivalent of Glenrothes. God help us all.
36

brownlie,

02/12/2008 12:50:33
33 Nikos

Please enlighten us as to how you reached that rather optimistic conclusion, oh wise one?
37

bill-alba,

fife 02/12/2008 12:53:08
Hope England votes in labour as I wouldnt with the alternative on them..we had 18 years of tories and they havent changed.
38

Raymond Thomas Brooke,

Leven England 02/12/2008 13:10:26
Labour one point behind Tories...I doooooont bel....ieve it.
GB has meanwhile been busy searching for suitable support in his party to guarantee he and JS had no knowledge of the Damian Green affair,.he is of course following the dictator style of excluding any opposition from the enquiry.
39

Raymond Thomas Brooke,

Leven Engalnd 02/12/2008 13:12:33
As far as an election is concerned the votes of the Scots and the Welsh who still remain loyal to Labour will be the ones who decide the next Government not the English
40

Hadrian,

Tillicoultry 02/12/2008 13:17:06
So after the Brown Bounce, will we have the bum's rush..?
41

Professor MacBonacord,

02/12/2008 13:23:11
How long will this lead last? that is the question, I read on one poll only a few days ago that the Conservatives had a 13% lead over labour, what has happened in the space of a few days ?
42

GB's Dairy,

The Bunker 02/12/2008 14:01:19
At last the good news that my prudence and british pride has paid off with a handsome and collosal showing in the latest poll.

However, my well-known cheerfulness is dampened slightly by a strange e=mail from someone called Mandy stating "I love you but I can also destroy you". I wonder who it could be - perhaps it was the night Tony, Pressie and I got rat-assed at Archers when he was giving us tips on how to form the new tory party.

Another silly phone call from a gravel-voiced North British person - are there any left up there - chuntering on about a Green leek. I hope it's not that welsh nit Davies foraging in the park again.
Well, at least this bunker is leak-proof lol lol!

Wait, someone with a Paisley - Ian, not the north british blot on the landscape - accent is talking gibbering about being I am too. What has he found out? oh well back to the humbugs - Darling and Nikos, sm753 and my ever loyal Rufus!
43

Neil Waugh,

Old Strathcona 02/12/2008 14:04:43
Amazing what spending a few billion pounds that you don't have will do.
By the way, what was the poll question? Shouldn't that be part of this half @ssed story?
44

GB's Dairy,

02/12/2008 14:10:23
At last some proof that my prudence and british pride is being recognised in a collosal lead in the polls.

However, my well-known cheerfulness is slightly dampened by an e-mail from someone called Mandy who states "I love you but I can destroy you". I wonder who she is? Surely not the one from the night Tony, Pressie and I got ratted round at Archer's when he was giving us tips on how to form the new tory party?

Another phone call from the person from our colony in the North of Ireland with the same fatuous remarks along the line of "I am too" - whatever can it mean and what has he found out?

Another strange phone call from a gravelly-voiced North Britain regarding a green leek. I hope that Davis has not been caught in the park again. Well, at least this bunker does not leak lol lol!

Right, back to the humbugs - Darling, sm753, nikos and the ever present and blindly loyal rufus.
45

GB's Dairy,

02/12/2008 14:10:57
ddddd
46

Miss H,

02/12/2008 15:08:53
Polls are all over the place just now.

This one shows the Tories just one point ahead. So they will be worried about that for reasons spelled out by 29.

But the poll published on the 29 Nov gave the Tories a 15 point lead. One published on the 18 showed the Tories with a 3 point lead. The one published on the 11 had the Tories leading on 6 points.

It’s all over the place because people do not really know what the heck is going on and they are not sure who they are going to vote for either.

The interesting one, in my opinion, was the poll published on Nov 30 which showed that, among those certain to vote, Labour's share has dropped by 5 points to 32 per cent since mid-November while the Tories and Lib Dems went up by 3 points to 43 and 15 per cent. Labour wll be worried by that because Labour supporters are less likely than Tory supporters to turn out.

So Labour will not be singing and dancing about this, wharever spin they put on it.They will only be happy when they are leading in the polls and leading consistently – and will look for more than 3 or 4 points because they will be worried about turnout.
47

Gdgy,

02/12/2008 15:17:15
A half decent opposition would have had Brown on his kness by now BUT the tories have no better ideas.
They have been supporting all the policies that Brown and Darling have implemented (HOW many times have we heard them moan that Labour are stealing their policies!) and at the moment they are curiously silent about how to deal with the credit crunch!!!
Cameron's appeal has gone and the rest of his pals have none....
48

Mercian,

UK 02/12/2008 15:31:29
My constituency in Birmingham will always vote Labour. There is little point in voting at all, if one supports another party. Yet a couple miles away, in a more affluent area, it's reversed; the Tories have a similar stronghold. In England at least, there still appears to be the same class division dominating politics in many places.

In Scotland it will interesting to see come the next election, if the SNP's Glasgow East victory is anything more than a protest vote during a by-election...
49

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02/12/2008 15:37:51
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50

Shredder,

02/12/2008 15:53:59
This is all becoming eerily reminiscent of Major's surprise victory in '92. So much for all the journalistic claptrap at about the time of Glasgow East about how no government has ever been this far behind and gone on to win a subsequent general election etc.

The real question that should be asked is: where now for the Tories (and their tartan counterparts)?
51

Iain's,

Spain 02/12/2008 15:56:20
Please do not come here after you have voted Labour at the next election and ruined the country. You will not be welcome.

The devaluation of the pound is causing unexpected poverty for lots of new arrivals here.
Their UK income in relation to the Euro has dropped substantially in the last year or so.

In January this year they got €140 for 100 pounds, now they get only €117. Ouch!
The Pound in you pocket is certainly not worth what it was thanks to Broon.
Just watch the inflation in the New Year!

I expect you will be forced into the Euro in the next couple of years.





52

JCA REID,

Annan 02/12/2008 16:02:50
A few months ago the Tories had a significant lead over Labour & then one, just one poll, said this lead was slashed to just 1 or two points.
I believe likewise here.
All they are is a shower looking after #1 & screw everybody else! This can be applied to the tories as well.
None of them, NONE, have any idea how to get industry & trade going, & sorting out the social ills.
As above....they are simply in it for the expenses & pensions etc. If this was a Parliament along Japanese lines, there would be a LOT of hare kire going on in the corridors!!
53

Yeah1,

02/12/2008 16:06:01
#50

"Please do not come here after you have voted Labour at the next election and ruined the country. You will not be welcome."

Please do not come here and lecture people in a different country on how we should vote.

You live in Spain, why not concentrate on Spanish politics and leave people in the UK to vote how we want.
54

Hugh Roscombe,

02/12/2008 16:15:43
52

Maybe he's got a vote in the UK.
55

GB's Dairy,

02/12/2008 16:21:02
?
56

Alan B,

02/12/2008 16:24:53
#Yeah1

I think he was making an interesting point. Vote labour, ruin the uk economy and then p.i.s.s of to some other country to live as the uk will have few opportunities.

I think we know many will be looking for jobs abroad due to the mess Brown has land the uk in.
57

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02/12/2008 16:28:57
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58

Fred Quimby,

02/12/2008 16:47:27
Dear 52
Yeah1,
02/12/2008 16:06:01

What a first class twát you are.

I live in the EU also, have family in Scotland and come from there myself.

How dare you try to censor and exclude a poster mor intelligent, erudite and sage that yourself because he says something with which you do not agree.

I do not where you hail from, and judging by your post you are a little Englander wrapping himself in the Butcher's apron.

You will fit into Jose Broon's new order of being on tune, or being subject to 42 lockups, armed anti terrorist police at the crack of dawn, confiscation of all computers, communication devices and files.

Such a brave new World is being created in the UK, and such an idiot you are.

You will get what you deserve, even if it is £ / € parity!
59

Fred Quimby,

02/12/2008 16:53:42
No10 rejects rumours of joining the euro

Thats it boys, we are going in!

60

Scunnert,

02/12/2008 17:00:25
"The Speaker of the House of Commons, Michael Martin, was mired in further controversy yesterday over the arrest of the shadow minister Damian Green. A leaked email showed that the leader of the house, Harriet Harman, had called for a secret meeting today to discuss how to handle the arrest, and what the speaker should tell parliament in a statement planned for tomorrow. The other two most senior parliamentary officials have also been invited to the talks."

tinyurl.com/5ckwr7

Aye - better get yer story straight lads and lassies.
61

Mercian,

UK 02/12/2008 17:13:43
#55 Scunnert said: "This newspaper should collect the ip adresses of posters and ban anybody from outside Scotland from commenting."

Are you a nationalist by any chance? And to think critics accuse Gordon Brown of being a Stalinist control freak...
62

Fred Quimby,

02/12/2008 17:18:48
#59
Mercian,
UK 02/12/2008 17:13:43

On some people, irony is lost.
63

Alan B,

02/12/2008 17:19:53
#Mercian

He was mocking #Yeah1 a unionist for complaining about Scots not living in scotland commenting on scottish and uk issues.
64

Scunnert,

02/12/2008 17:24:08
What - my post at 55 has been deleted????

Ach - Ah'm right scunnert so Ah am.
65

Mercian,

UK 02/12/2008 17:27:17
#61 Alan B. Well, if this was case I did misinterpret the comment and apologise. Looks #55 got deleted anyway, so I was not the only one...
66

Scunnert,

02/12/2008 17:28:02
Thanks tae Fred and Alan who are intelligent enough tae get mah drift. It always surprises me that unionist accuse nationalists of being parochial and insular when the opposite is clearly the truth.
67

Fred Quimby,

02/12/2008 17:30:40
To Scunnert with love

Knock, Knock

Sc

"Who is there?"

from the outside

"Armed Anti-Terrorist Police"

"42 days for you my boy for thought crime"

"Turn out your pockets, where are the usb keys?"
68

Scunnert,

02/12/2008 17:32:18
63 Mercian:

"...I was not the only one..."

Unless it was you who complained???

I thought I was being rather obvious when I finished my post with the French lyrics to the International. Nae sense ae humour some folks.
69

Fred Quimby,

02/12/2008 17:34:48
I have reported the Censors to the errrr Censors

We will all be deleted.
70

Scunnert,

02/12/2008 17:36:11
65 Fred Quimby, 02/12/2008 17:30:40

Aye - it wullnae be long noo tae that scenario becomes reality. Enjoy what's left ae yer freedom while ye may for liberties beacon is growing dimmer wae each passing day.
71

Mercian,

UK 02/12/2008 17:36:27
#66 Scunnert: "Unless it was you who complained???"

No, Scunnert, not my style. If I did complain about offensive comments on these boards, I wouldn't have time for much else...
72

Scunnert,

02/12/2008 17:45:09
69 Mercian

Must have been Yeah1 - he obviously did get it.
73

The Sprucer,

02/12/2008 18:41:26

This so-called slicing into The Conservatives lead is rubbish. Please, go on to the Guardian website where they have three polls. The first does say that Labour has eaten away at the 'Tories commanding lead and cut it down to 1 point. However the other two still have the 'tories, one up 15 points and the other up 11.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/blog/2008/dec/02/polls-conservatives
74

The Sprucer,

02/12/2008 18:48:20
Guys,

Here's a link to the Calamity Commission's first report on why it thinks Scotland isn't good enough to - well - do everything by itself. Like any normal country would do.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/7759382.stm
75

Martinh,

02/12/2008 19:06:06
#72. All you have to do is vote for independence in 2010. Meantime accept that the Calman Commission is doing it's job, i.e to review the 1997 Scottish Devolution settlement within the UK.
76

The Sprucer,

02/12/2008 19:13:43

Yes, I will definitely vote for Independence in 2010, but that depends on whether or not we get a referendum. But I'm sorry The Calamity Commission does it's job for what purpose? If it's that obvious then why don't we have the referendum right now. I would like to know if anyone can seriously answer me when I ask the simple question: What it there to review? The Calman Commission doesn't and will not provide concrete answers because this genie is out of the proverbial bottle. Once it starts, where will it end? So, again, what is there to review?
77

Martinh,

02/12/2008 19:39:07
I think it is reasonable to review the current Devolution settlement within the UK after 10 years because that is the status quo. You seem to be unaware that the SNP Government is committed to holding a referendum on independence in 2010 because that was what was in their election manifesto. If they don't then they are dead politically. What remains are the wording and choices. I will vote to retain devolution but await the outcome of the Calman Commission about further devolution recommendations, eg control of Fire arms legislation etc. Calman is addressing the issue of devolution only and how it can be sustained and/or improved.
78

Ugly George,

02/12/2008 20:28:58
I see we are still prohibiting comment on the "Broon's Goons" Story.

This Outrage strikes at the very heart of the English tradition of Freedom and Democracy and may well spell the death knell...Of the Jockocracy from Hell.

The House of Commons is the Proud English Bastion that stands between the Common Man and the Tyranny of the State, be that State a Stewart King or the Presidential Style Cabal of our current Scottish Masters - It has been thus, since the Days of Cromwell and beyond, all the way back to Magna Carta.

The Stout Yeomen of the Shires will bring this tyrant to book - Mark my words.
79

Walter Ego,

Durness 02/12/2008 20:35:26
General election next May or June. Labour retain power. Plain as the nose on your face.
80

Observer. 1,

Glasgow 02/12/2008 20:37:42
77 I didn't know you were a comic. That was good.
81

Ugly George,

02/12/2008 20:38:35
76

Money spent that has one's enemies, bickering among themselves - Is never wasted.

No time is spent on McCalman - by any who's time is of consequence.



82

Observer. 1,

Glasgow 02/12/2008 20:39:44
78 Sadly you could be right. But I think they'll go earlier. Frankly I think they would cancel Christmas if they could.
83

Scunnert,

02/12/2008 20:43:08
77 Ugly,


"The Stout Yeomen of the Shires will bring this tyrant to book."

Well get them saddled up - we poor Jockabillies are counting on you to save democracy and civilization.

Seriously though - this is an assault on the very heart of democracy in the UK - the Stalinists, Jaqui Smith, Michael Martin, Gaga Broon et al have to be stopped.
84

Martinh,

02/12/2008 20:49:09
Oh well, I guess that's the end of political debate for the evening as the emolients of reality start to take hold. Anyone sober enought to make a political point re the thread?
85

Observer. 1,

Glasgow 02/12/2008 20:55:20
83 - sure. The next GE is not the walkover for the Tories that many people think it is. Cameron is a cipher, he lacks gravitas, and Brown's confidence trick on the economy seems to have pulled the wool over a lot of eyes. If they go early, they might win. But that would depend on Brown going into reverse-dither mode. We will see who's calling the shots, him or Mandy, depending on whether he goes for a snap early poll or not. If he does, that will be Mandy talking.

Personally I think both Brown and Cameron will be hoping the other guy wins because whoever is the PM in the next few years is going to be presiding over a nightmare.

I think Scots should ignore UK politics and vote SNP.

Now I am away to cease being sober.

86

Scunnert,

02/12/2008 20:56:46
83 Martinh

Comment on Broon's boonce? Tosh. There - a political point.
87

Ugly George,

02/12/2008 20:58:33
82 Scunnert

I was being serious, as it was with the Poll Tax.

The Scots merely bleated about the injustice of it all, like little kilted Calimero's.

When it comes to toppling Kings, It is Man's work..Englishmans Work - Not as you man Robert the Burns would put it..Timourous Beastly's.
88

Scunnert,

02/12/2008 21:07:12
86 Ugly

Is that why you need Scots to run your country for you? Aye - real men widnae tolerate foreigners running their country. The emasculation of our southern cousins continues apace. Timorous indeed.
89

Ugly George,

02/12/2008 21:12:42
87 Scunnert

Absolutely right and we won't for much longer, Brown stole our Crown by stealth - No Englishman worth his salt would vote for the likes of him.

And vote him out we must - Before he finds a way to negate democracy it's self.
90

Ugly George,

02/12/2008 21:20:05
83 Martinh,

The only Brown Bounce I would wish to witness - His severed head bouncing down the steps of the Scaffold.
91

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02/12/2008 21:21:40
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92

Ugly George,

02/12/2008 21:23:33
The union requires a true son of Albion - Brown is a reptilian Cyclops.
93

Scunnert,

02/12/2008 21:23:43
88 Ugly

I'm afraid your tribe has become far too effeminate to effect any meaningful change in the governance of your regions (England no longer being a nation). No - you will have a Scot running your lives no matter which way you vote. Get rid of Brown by all means but realize Cameron will be the one replacing him

That's correct - crooked nose will be your next Prime Minister.
94

Ugly George,

02/12/2008 21:25:45
89 sm753,

As you know, UG is a pool Moniker - Not all of the staff are of the same faith.
95

Ugly George,

02/12/2008 21:33:02
93 Scunnert,

Cameron is no more Scottish than Blair, I'm prepared to give him a chance.

Although I don't envy him his task, as Observer 1 said - Brown is bequeathing an economy in his own image..not a pretty sight.
96

Scunnert,

02/12/2008 21:37:56
The Condition of the Working Class in England

Friedrich Engels

"A pretty list of diseases engendered purely by the hateful greed of the manufacturers! Women made unfit for childbearing, children deformed, men enfeebled, limbs crushed, whole generations wrecked, afflicted with disease and infirmity, purely to fill the purses of the bourgeoisie. And when one reads of the barbarism of single cases, how children are seized naked in bed by the overlookers, and driven with blows and kicks to the factory, their clothing over their arms, how their sleepiness is driven off with blows, how they fall asleep over their work nevertheless, how one poor child sprang up, still asleep, at the call of the overlooker, and mechanically went through the operations of its work after its machine was stopped; when one reads how children, too tired to go home, hid in the wool of the drying-room to sleep there, and could only be driven out of the factory with straps; how many hundreds came home so tired every night, that they could eat no supper for weariness and want of appetite, that their parents found them kneeling by the bedside, where they had fallen asleep during their prayers; when one reads all this and a hundred other villainies and infamies . . . how can one be otherwise than filled with wrath and resentment against a class which boasts of philanthropy and self-sacrifice, while its object is to fill its purse a tout prix?"

Is this the kind of society England will be returning to? Better practice tugging the forelock.

97

Scunnert,

02/12/2008 21:39:48
England needs Independence Now!!!
98

Scunnert,

02/12/2008 21:41:47
But really - with the signing of the Lisbon Treaty, the impending introduction of the Euro, and a million immigrants a year - will there always be an England?
99

Scunnert,

02/12/2008 21:43:43
Time to rebuild Hadrian's Wall before the onslought of refugees start swarming north to freedom.
100

Ugly George,

02/12/2008 22:02:52
Scunnert

You underestimate the resilience of the True born Englishman/woman.

Small pleasures, small pleasures
Who would deny us these?
Gin toddies -- large measuress --
No skimpin' if you please!
I rough it, I love it
Life is a game of chance.
I never tire of it --
Leading this merry dance.
If you don't mind having to go without things
It's a fine life.

It's a fine life.

Tho' it ain't all jolly old pleasure outings...
It's a fine life

It's a fine life.

When you got someone to love
You forget your cares and strife
Let the prudes look down on us
Let the wide world frown on us
It's a fine,

Fine life!

Ain't that right, Bet? Go on, you tell 'em girl.

Who cares if straightlaces
Sneer at us in the street?
Fine airs and fine graces

Don't have to sin to eat.

We wander through London

Who knows what we many find?

There's pockets left undone
On many a behind.

If you don't mind taking it as it turns out,
It's a fine life!

It's a fine life!

Keep the candle burning until it burns out
It's a fine life.

It's a fine life.

Though you sometimes do come by
The occasional black eye
You can always cover one
'Til he blacks the other one
But you don't dare cry.

No flounces, no feathers
No frills and furbelows
All winds and all weathers
Ain't good for fancy clo'es

That's true.

These trappings,

These ta'ers

These we can just afford.

What future?

What ma'ers?

We've got our bed and board.

If you don't mind having to deal with Fagin
It's a fine life!

It's a fine life!

Though diseased rats threaten to bring the plague in
It's a fine life!

It's a fine life!

But the grass is green and dense
On the right side of the 'fence'.

And we take good care of it
That we get our share of it
And we don't mean pence.

No! If you don't mind having to like or lump it...
It's a fine life

It's a fine life!

Tho' there's no tea-supping and eating crum
101

Gtj,

02/12/2008 22:27:13
'Brown bounce' working as Tory lead cut -

Next it will be Labour on course for landslide victory. I've never heard so much krap in all my life.
102

Scunnert,

02/12/2008 22:27:46
Here's to the Albion Jackdaw
That bird of great courage and wit
He eats all day
In an English way
And flies to Scotland to sh!t

 

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