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Published Date: 02 April 2009
ALEX Salmond is to donate all his pay increase as a Westminster MP to charity after he was accused of hypocrisy for taking the rise while his ministers accept a wage freeze.
The Scottish Government's 16 ministers agreed to take a voluntary pay freeze, both in their ministerial salaries and in the pay they receive as MSPs.

The freeze also applies to the First Minister – but not to the salary he receives as a Westminster MP, which is due to go up by 2.33 per cent.

Political opponents led by Liberal Democrat chief whip Mike Rumbles had attacked Mr Salmond for double standards.

There had been anger too at his "implied pressure" on other MSPs to take a similar pay freeze.

But yesterday, Mr Salmond's spokesman said the First Minister plans to donate the net increase to a charitable trust and insisted the move was not a reaction to claims of hypocrisy.

The untaxed part of his £1,457 pay increase as a Westminster MP, approximately £870, will go to the Mary Salmond Trust, named after his mother. The trust was set up when he was re-elected to the Scottish Parliament in 2007 so that he would not personally benefit from two salaries.

As a dual parliamentarian, he is only entitled to about £18,500, one-third of an MSP's salary. This goes to the trust. However, on top of his MP's salary, he receives £80,224 as First Minister.

On Tuesday night, his spokesman indicated that he would only put the £430 shortfall from not taking the MSP rise into the charity, and pocket the rest. But yesterday, he clarified that Mr Salmond would put in the full MP pay rise after tax.

All his ministers have agreed to not take the 2.33 per cent increase on the MSP and ministerial salary which they were entitled to once MPs agreed to the same rise. This will save £15,000 for the taxpayer on ministerial salaries alone.

Before the change of decision, Mr Rumbles said: "It really is wrong of Mr Salmond to push other MSPs to take a pay freeze – it is a private matter.

"It is also sheer hypocrisy to push a pay freeze in Holyrood and take a pay increase from his Westminster salary."

A Scottish Government spokesman said: "We have done this as an act of solidarity with all the people who are struggling in the recession, to show we are all in it together.

"So none of the members of the Scottish Government will be pocketing a penny more.

"This, of course, is against a background of very real scandals about expenses in Westminster."

However, it was unclear whether more than a handful of MSPs would follow suit yesterday.

Only the Greens confirmed they would freeze their pay, too, while Nationalist Western Isles MSP Alasdair Allan said he would donate his extra £1,300 to charity.

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RufusT-Firefly,

02/04/2009 00:15:43
Salmond ...........Scotland's "voice at Westminster"

He has been there thrice in 2 years.

You can find details of the Mary Salmond Trust here.

http://www.buchantoolbox.org/the%20mary%20salmond%20trust.htm

I actually found 1 link on that website which was current.

Very impressive.

It was for the NEW DEER SHOW.

"Situated in the heart of Buchan, Aberdeenshire our full two day show has one of the largest horse shows in the area, top quality livestock competing for many prizes in their classes, industrial classes, food and trade stands and much much more.


The 2 day show is held on the third weekend in July and marquee dances held on the Friday and Saturday evenings. The weekend attracts between 8,000 and 10,000 visitors from all walks of life, looking for something a little different to their usual family weekend."

So thats what Salmond is donating his salary (our tax money) to?

A 'horse and cow' show?

Is that a joke?

Unbelievable.
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RufusT-Firefly,

02/04/2009 00:16:00
There is a Highland Dancing Competition as well.

Is that really what Salmond is donating his salary to?

A horse and cow show with a Highland Dancing Contest thrown in?

Good to see he is using the money to help some deserving causes.
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RufusT-Firefly,

02/04/2009 00:16:29
Salmonds charity money also goes towards....

A Cheese & Wine Evening held on Saturday 21st February at New Deer Public Hall.

And Also..............................

Marquee Disco on Friday 17th July 2009

This is some charity.

Where do I sign up?
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The Brain,

02/04/2009 00:27:21
Isn't it illegal to campaign with tax-payer's money? More SNP sleaze.
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Brian Hill,

02/04/2009 00:36:20
Sorry guys, your usual unionist smoke screen is fooling no one but yourselves.

BTW the weather over Dunfermline is very black threatening clouds which are spreading out over all unionist lands.

Rufus re the weather. This was the weather in Aberdeen and the North East yesterday, the sunniest and warmest in the UK, but according to the BBC this weather was down south, no mention of it up north. How strange.

Aberdeen the hottest place in Britain

Apr 1 2009

ABERDEEN was the hottest spot in Britain yesterday as temperatures soared to 17.6C (64F).
It was the warmest March day in the Granite City since the Millennium.
Aboyne on Deeside also enjoyed a spring heatwave with a temperature of 16C (61F).
Aberdeen's nearest rival in Britain was the Yorkshire coast, where temperatures hit 17.2C (63F).
The north-east also outshone European hotspots such as Palma on Majorca, which struggled to make 12C (54F), and Barcelona, with 10C (50F).
The fine weather is set to stay for the rest of the week but it will get cooler with rain by the weekend..
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Arthur G,

This Week Johannesburg 02/04/2009 00:43:31
Has it ever occurred to you, RTF, that whatever your motivation is; whether you are sincere or insincere in your proselytising the Union, it won't make a blind bit of difference?

In the end Scotland's electorate will decide whether or not the Union continues with Scotland as intrinsic part. I actually believe that your constant belittling of Salmond and the SNP has the opposite effect to that which you intend, upon your target converts.

Of course, you could just be taking the piss.
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The Brain,

02/04/2009 00:47:19
8

Arthur G - you would believe that, you are a fantasist.

There is no evidence that the Scottish people want independence, get over it, it's time to move on.

Salmond has been exposed yet again, the voters will remember! The SNP will be voted out for this sleaze.
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Brian Hill,

02/04/2009 00:54:42
Actually if Salmond only gave 5p of his salary to charity it would still be miles more than those bloated unionists who are not only giving nothing back but are milking the state dry at every turn.

But keep spouting guys, you are pushing more neutrals towards the Independence camp than Maggie T and she and her poll tax brought about the Scottish Parliament.

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subrosa,

02/04/2009 01:06:28
I see the labour party nightshift are here and of course quite unable to debate, so I'm off to bed.
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Beachcomber,

Edinburgh 02/04/2009 01:08:23
Salem,02/04/2009 00:45:02
Unbelievable!

Now we know why Salmond does not enjoy the support of the Scottish people. From the beginning, they’ve seen right through him.

No you are unbelievable Salem.. Mr Salmond has my support and thousands more like me..

Lie bore is finished in Scotland.. get over it.
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Sanny,

02/04/2009 01:19:16
I find these anti-Salmond comments beyond belief! OK Salmond passes his pay rise and his ‘enforced’ second salary to charity. I don’t see any financial or political benefit in that for him or his party
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Now take a look at the Labour Sleaze and Corruption Party, start with the Minister Smith or perhaps the Noble Lord Mandy. Not satisfied with an inflation busting salary increase they milk the taxpayers for every penny they can squeeze out of their ‘expenses’ allowance. Whilst they may not break the letter of the law they sure as hell break the intent of the law – but then who writes this law and who enforces it? Please remember this was the party who rode Tory sleaze (two members caught taking money for asking questions) to electoral victory with the cry of “we shall be whiter than white”! Of course the Labour lords do not take money for asking question – No! They change the law to suit their paymasters.

These are facts folks. Any one who votes Labour is either on the take, a family member, or certifiably insane. Even the Dumb Libs would be a better bet. Despite the most strenuous efforts of the anti-nationalists press they have yet to reveal any serious dishonesty in the SNP party, yet, turn over any Labour stone and something nasty will crawl out.
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Sanny,

02/04/2009 01:35:13
15 Salem,02/04/2009 01:06:47

You are obviously ignorant of the raison d’être of the Scottish Electoral system. It was designed to prevent the possibility of a Nationalist majority even when this would also preclude a Labour majority government in Scotland. Having to form a coalition with a compliant LibDem Party, both controlled from London, was far less onerous than a Scottish centric Nationalist Party. You must also remember that the devolved government was ordered by the Council of Europe.

Due to the appalling performance of both Labour and LibDums it now appears possible that the Nationalists may just overcome this electoral hurdle and gain an overall majority at the next Scottish Election.
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02/04/2009 01:36:24
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Edward,

02/04/2009 01:42:46
Oh dear another David MaddoxLabour breifing,not actually good journalism
If he actually had tried being a journalist for once,he would have known that since Alex Salmond became First Minister, he has been donating his Westminster salary to charity, when it first came toi light that he was drawing two salaries
But then it is election year,Labour are desperate,so we will be seeing a lot of sear stories in the run up
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im brian and so is my wife,

edinburgh 02/04/2009 02:17:52
i heard that rufus wears flowery knickers,has grown a big black bushy moustache and can be heard singing "MACHO MACHO MAN,I WANNA BE A MACHO MAN",oh you are awful rufus
still you have the support of Lord Voldemort brown and his oily side kick
alastair nagini darling
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02/04/2009 02:39:02
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W Smith,

Middle East 02/04/2009 03:43:00
Not bad income for kiddy-on socialist Salmond.

Add to that his wife's pension (maybe 30,000 quid a year) you can see why he's not that bothered about Scotland's manufacturing industry, unemployment, etc.

No wonder he's got so much time to prattle on about 'green' issues and support the Palestinians.

Salmond hates Westminster but refuses to give up the salary.

NICE ONE.

BTW
On this income shouldn't Salmond listen to Roseanna's sermons about the evils of being "materialistic"?
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02/04/2009 04:08:43
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AyeWeCan.blogspot.com,

02/04/2009 04:27:31
Well done Mike Rumbles

You have struck a hammer blow againt the corrupt and graft that is at the heart of governent. Your fine exposure of this major fraud by our First minister should be recognised by some sort of internaional award.

But Salmond should not get off lighly - no mere trashing of his reputation by the Scotsman, the nation@s, nae thre world's truth seeker. Salmond should be summond to the Hague no less to explain his unjustified recept of potentially as much as £1,400, over a period as short as a year. That works out as as much as - £30 per week!

The finest lawyers in the land should be employed to expose this high level fleecing of taxpayers, ensure justice is done.

And who would be a finer advacate to lead this team than you Major Rumbles? A man once more overlooked by his own party, the unfortunate victim of having been born into a Liberal Demcratt golden age with such natural born statemen as Nicol Steven and Tavish of Shetland to compete with. Surely in any other age a man of you stauture, Major, would be the automatic choice as Scot Lib Dem Leader, or dare I suggest UK leader. Only Vince Cable ranks with you in term of his grasp of the strategic issues and the reverance he commands across the political divide

Keep up the good work. I hear Nicola has not yet retuned her student bus pass from 1989. One for you, Scotland's sluth, to track down an nail I suggest.
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Letters From Muscat,

edinburgh 02/04/2009 05:01:41
Scottish Politics, dont you just love it? Think I might stand myself.... would certainly help the old teacher's pension..... but there again, who would want to mix with that lot? Mind you I bumped into the Education Minister in Princes Street Gardens last week, and she did stop and listen to my plea, she did not have her lip gloss on if that tells you anything, probably not.
Interesting times as the old Chinese proverb so aptly puts it.
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Soosider,

Glasgow 02/04/2009 05:53:37
Ministers decline to take pay rise, sounds like a good thing to me. Well done to them pity there lead is not followed by other MSPs, but then the story contains a wee gem
"There had been anger too at his "implied pressure" on other MSPs to take a similar pay freeze"
Sounds to me as if there could be a story there, why are other MSPs angry? who are these MSPs who get angry at the idea of refusing a pay rise at the start of a recession. It would have been good if some of them could have been named, then perhaps asked to explain them selves.
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Gussie Fink-Nottle,

02/04/2009 07:09:59
#28 Well done Al, that's the kind of reading the post-literate among us prefer. Grey's still a dobber tho...
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Soosider,

Glasgow 02/04/2009 07:25:12
#32 Rulesbutnotrulers - check your medication, your clearly delusional
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puskas,

East kilbride 02/04/2009 07:33:31
Well done Mr Alex Salmond, Scotland's First Minister.

I'm sure the charities will except your gift with open arms.

Unusual for a politition to have fine morals. Unlike Adam Ingram and John Reid, and of course the expense scandals at Westminster.. Maybe I've missed something, has Foulkes given any of his MSP's salary to charity?.. Did Dewar the Labour millionaire.?

Of the initial posts no need to reply as I say often. They do an exceptional job in expanding a pro nationalist independence view worldwide... I note with my e.mail delivery system...

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Grahamski,

Falkirk 02/04/2009 07:36:11
A slippery wee man whose every utterance should be checked and re-checked. There's never anything straight with what Mr Salmond or the SNP say. They promise something then go back on it and explain that when they said this they really meant that.
SFT? didnae really meant it.
LIT? couldnae really deliver it.
£2,000 grant?
Student loans?
Class sizes?
Erm, naw!
Mr Salmond's claims at FMQs?
Shouldn't be taken literally.....
Now two salary Mr Salmond has been caught financing campaigning with his (ahem) charidee....aye, right.
The end is nigh.
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02/04/2009 07:47:25
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02/04/2009 07:55:02
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Grahamski,

Falkirk 02/04/2009 07:57:05
Oh lordy, the best the haggis-botherers can come up with?
Please miss! Look what labour are doing...
Pathetic, out of their depth, single-issue fantasists...the end is nigh.
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02/04/2009 08:03:22
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Angleland Isover,

02/04/2009 08:06:44
Well done Mr Salmond, Scotland's democratically elected leader. The able minded majority salute you.
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Gregor Addison,

Glasgow 02/04/2009 08:07:40
#38, #39

Or you're so immersed in your hatred of Salmond and the SNP as the enemy that you can't see how immanent the demise of the Labour party is. Roll on the European Elections.

Oh, by the way, how many Labour, LibDem, or Tory MPs will be giving up their pay rise to charity? I think we should be told.

I see it's bile bile bilge and bile all the way today from Maddox and co. Funny how these stories are deployed just in time for First Minister's Questions: the Scotsman trying to set the agenda and write the news rather than reporting it.
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theburnschap,

The Broch 02/04/2009 08:10:04
You are kidding Hootsman.

Salmond puts his Westminster salary to a charity, which gives some support to the local community he represents, and he gets slated.

He and his Ministers refuse to take a pay increase, and he is slated.

Meanwhile there is anger that there is implied pressure on other MSPs to not take the increase too. And the representatives of those parties are the ones given the time and quotes in this article?

Did anyone ask Mike Rumbles if he will take the pay increase or will follow Mr Salmonds example and ask his colleagues to do the same? Didn't think so....
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A Crofter,

Lost Arce of Prosperity 02/04/2009 08:10:57
When you're trousering in excess of £150K, you can afford the odd charitable donation.

FatMan steals nearly half of that from the taxpayer for the Westmonster job he doesn't do. He can only be bothered to turn up a few days a year, then he claims another six-figure sum in expenses.

Fine morals, indeed, Puskas!

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Los Angeles,

02/04/2009 08:12:02
Salmond ..Scotland's "voice at Westminster" He has been there thrice in 2 years. (Rufus the Dufus)

Only you call him that. He is the voice of Scottish aspirations in Scotland, for Scotland.

What voice are you? The Campaign for Free Orange Juice?



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Grahamski,

Falkirk 02/04/2009 08:12:04
39
Please Miss! Please Miss! Labour are making funny faces, Miss! Miss!
Pathetic, out of their depth, single-issue, lying, incompetent haggis-bashers.
Awa' an' say somethin' couthie ye clootie dumplin', ye...
36

Los Angeles,

02/04/2009 08:15:30

The hatred for Scots and Scotland expressed on this thread is palpable.

The idea that anybody living in Scotland would respond to that by voting for Westminster representation beggers belief.

We witness typical Westminster arrogance.

Their building is on fire yet they lean out the window waving twenty pound notes jeering.






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Los Angeles,

02/04/2009 08:17:14

Please Miss! Please Miss! Labour are making funny faces, Miss! Miss! (Greyhamskint)

Look at me, I'm Grahamski.

I've never accomplished a thing in my life but I have posted nasty things about Scotland and its government on a website.

Gie'us a joab!

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Astonished,

Inverclyde 02/04/2009 08:17:43
Labour are getting even more desperate than I imagined at this early stage.



Their internal polling must be accurately reflecting Scotland's mood.
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Los Angeles,

02/04/2009 08:19:32

Fine morals, indeed, Puskas! (A Crofter)

And your morals amount to what, exactly?


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puskas,

East kilbride 02/04/2009 08:20:30
Adam Ingram £170,000 sideline with arms (weapons) directorships. While British troops are in the Middle East dying
John Reid 2x£50,000 directorships with security that involves the Middle East.

Nice wee titbits

Foulkes heads to London signs on and then the quickess method back to Scotland.. Of course expenses.

A hellava lot more than signing on the dole.

Maddox your accompices in faulse reporting including yourself have sold their soul to the devil. Like Blair and Brown your maker shall not receive. Purgotary forget it.

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Los Angeles,

02/04/2009 08:20:51

Grahamski has blood on his hands. (Pugnaces)

He needs to take those cashmere knickers off his head.

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Grahamski,

Falkirk 02/04/2009 08:22:23
47
Hey silly doggy!
I know in your deluded wee Walter Mitty world the SNP is synonomous with Scotland. Back here on planet Earth the SNP is synonomous with single-issue grievances, girning, greeting and telling porkies.
Just thought you should know.....
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Grahamski,

Falkirk 02/04/2009 08:24:33
52
Oh please Miss, don't give me a row, look what labour are doing, Miss!
Pathetic, tartanised, faux-Scottish, girning, incompetent, blame-shifting, responsibility-dodging thistle-fancying single-issue fantasists....
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DaveK,

Edinburgh 02/04/2009 08:26:04
All the other useless bankers are being elbowed, why skip Alex?
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Los Angeles,

02/04/2009 08:27:54


Where is that Glasgow East MP who removed half a million from the public purse to decorate his house as his constituency office but forgot to tell his voters where it and he actually were?

Is he hiding in a fox hole in Lochwinnoch?

How can a local political party, Labour, spirit away and entire allegedly corrupt MP to such an extent that neither the the press nor his mother can locate him?

The mafia could learn a thing or two about how to make a "stressed out" family member invisible for a while.

Ya know what I mean, boss?

Westminster MPs removed £93 million in expenses from the public purse only last year.

£93 million.

Yeah, a polititian's has gotta live, ain't he?


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Los Angeles,

02/04/2009 08:28:44
Pathetic, (Greyhamskint)

Eight, going on six-and-half.
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Los Angeles,

02/04/2009 08:30:32


How's your single issue party getting on, Greetingskint?

They hate the SNP and want it eradicated.

What kind of manifesto is that? One policy?

LoL



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Los Angeles,

02/04/2009 08:32:27

The G20 Summit has Brown glad-handing every world leader at the door of the building.

He has turned himsef into the doorman.
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Dave From Barra,

02/04/2009 08:33:01
A spokesman said this and said that.

In the mean time, Alex said fek all but at least the truth has finally come out.

Charity begins in the home and Scotland is home by the looks of things. Wonder how many other MP's or MSP's have done something similar?
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Los Angeles,

02/04/2009 08:37:58
My name is Grahamski and I am a hate-aholic.

(Welcome, Grahamski.)

I admit I am obsessed with hating Salmond and Scotland but I am on the road to recovery. I think.

(Well done, Grahamski)

Today, I got up early and posted only a hundred and twenty-six posts abusing Salmond and jeering like a loon. Yesterday's count was two hundred and one. So I am getting better. I am.

Is there anyone here who can mentor me?

(Take a hike, Grahamki)







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02/04/2009 08:40:32
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JR Ewing,

Aberdeen 02/04/2009 08:42:15
This David Maddox is he an employee of the labour party, is Rufus a relative of his , could some proper journalist make enquiries and establish which particular labour party trough they are feeding from.
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Los Angeles,

02/04/2009 08:44:52

GRAHAMSKI PARTY

Our policies

1. Hate Alex Salmond.
2. Hate Alex Salmond.
3. Hate Alkex Salmond.
4. Hate Alex Salmond.
5. Hate Scotland. (Optional)

Vote Grahamski - you know it makes trouble.

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TWC,

02/04/2009 08:55:31
This paper is not worth buying, there is no news except to spin for Labour.
I thought it was NAt Sour grapes but with their bias claims but this is ridiculous.
From the point of view of publicity at least the Nats get mentioned the other Parties do not exist.
There are screeds of Stories about Labour failings and Sleaze but all we get is anti SNP stories
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Grahamski,

Falkirk 02/04/2009 08:59:42
Derek Hatton, professional scouser, trot and mountebank bangs on about taking werkers wages to disguise the inherent weaknesses in his policies and to massage his ego.
Tommy Sheridan does the same....
Now the nats are trying to copy their infantile attempted populism but this time nobody's buying their cheap, snide and ultimately self-agrandising gesture politics.
Time to put away childish things and grow up...Scotland's had enough of loud-mouthed bigots declaring their patriotism while filling their own pockets....
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im brian and so is my wife,

edinburgh 02/04/2009 09:00:19
grahamski scotlands answer to frankin furter from the rocky horror picture show
his quotes seem to fit frankinfurters quote "even smiling makes my face ache"
he looks at brown and sings"in just seven days ,i can make you a man",griffy pipes up "cant ya make it a red head"
so when you have your coffee please dont add C6-H12-O6
try NaClO3
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Dave From Barra,

Western Isles 02/04/2009 09:06:09
"Time to put away childish things and grow up...Scotland's had enough of loud-mouthed bigots declaring their patriotism while filling their own pockets...." Grahamnski

Yer right, time to ditch lie-bore big style. Glad you are on board now Grahamski!
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im brian and so is my wife,

edinburgh 02/04/2009 09:12:51
keir hardy will be birling in his grave,he stood up for the poor and destitute of this country
if he could see what labour does now he would feel ashamed
sex cash drugs rock-n-roll yes an avarage days avarice from labour
the prime minister going about like some modern day fagan "you got to pick a pocket or two lads",whilst darling does his great impression of ebeneezer scrooge,why even alaister sims would be proud of such acting
i bet grahamski sees himself as falkirks answer to Che Guevara
as he rises from his socialist bed each morning,looks in miror and says "comrade today falkirk,tomorrow ze world"
but the scotsman readers answer him like capt manwaring speaking to pike"stupid boy"
aye hes got more multi persona that would keep 5 world psychiatric conferences going for years
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TWC,

EX Labour 02/04/2009 09:17:17
They will all deny even knowing Brown by the summer. He is finished.
The internet has changed us all we don't believe what the media are primed to say. It may take a generation to remove the un educated trolls and poodles completely but they are getting fewer and fewer. That's why the Labour party are struggling to get support on the doorstep. Give us our election and we'll rid the country of Brown
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Linda,

Edinburgh 02/04/2009 09:18:10
Typical Mad Maddoex piece. Prints alll press releases from Lord triple income Foulkes (MSP House of Lords andf political lobbyiest - which is against Scottish Parliament rules) who is a master of hypocrisy when it comes to expenses and costs to the taxpayer.
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Los Angeles,

02/04/2009 09:18:15

this time nobody's buying their cheap, snide and ultimately self-agrandising gesture politics. (Greyhamskint)

My god, man, that's the most accurate assesment of your entire contributions to the threads since I began logging on the website.

If only it was genuine self-awareness.

By the way, you're not a bright guy but you do your best.


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Grahamski,

Falkirk 02/04/2009 09:21:53
Oh lordy, I feel almost sorry for all those seasick sailors on the good ship Nat frantically trying to bail out the sinking wreck that is SNP ambition....jump ship me hearties, that rust bucket you sailed away on is taking in more water than you can possibly bail....gurgle gurgle hope you nutty nats can swim!
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Sedov,

02/04/2009 09:29:15
Well done Alex but we need to go further, MP's and MSP's on the average wage of a skilled worker plus legitimate and agreed expenses.
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For Scotlands Future,

Vote For The SNP 02/04/2009 09:32:09
Unbelievable anti-SNP, anti-Sir Ek bile.

BEFORE the Labour Party Press "broke" the story in 2007, Sir Ek had already arranged to donate BOTH his Westminster MP's salary, and his reduced Holyrood MSP salary to Charity.

But that didn't stop the Official Labour Party websites of the Scottish Press trying to make political mischief.

And now you are complaining about, what £440??

Tell me, has Maggie Brown paid the money back that he made from renting out public office space to the Labour Party??

Maggie Brown, even although he has free accommodation provided by the taxpayer in Downing St, still claims Additional Cost Allowance for his home in his constituency.

This allowance is specifically for MP's who have to maintain two residences. Maggie Brown only has to maintain one residence.

The same with Mr "five properties landlord" Darling who is also provided free accommodation in Downing Street.

And dear old Harriet "I'm only obeying the rules" Harman, who moves into her sister's house and claims that is her main residence while claiming over £22,000 this year alone to maintain her real house. "Employing" her husband as a "research assistant". What does he do?? Research the best porn movies to watch??

And you poor anti-Scottish sods can only hang onto Sir Ek's £440 - PER YEAR!!

I won't dignify you with "a parcel of rogues", because even rogues have some substance.

You all are simply Toom Tabards, happy to be used to promote anything anti-Scottish, by an anti-Scottish Press, itself happy to promote at every word any anti-Scottish political party. Happy to print Labour Party press releases as news.
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Tormod,

Auld Reekie 02/04/2009 09:35:36
82 self dilusional there old bean, christ what a rubbish article. Hypocrisy well did Mike know that at westmidden his party were the most expensive for there expenses!
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02/04/2009 09:39:17
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Los Angeles,

02/04/2009 09:42:06

I feel almost sorry for all those seasick sailors on the good ship Nat. (Grahamski)

Well, if we are sea sick we will get better.

Anyone as dim as you has no hope of improvement. It's in your genes. Tough.


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bully wee alba,

Edinburgh 02/04/2009 09:44:28
“There had been anger too at his "implied pressure" on other MSPs to take a similar pay freeze.”

I suspect that this “anger” does not emanate from the electorate.
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Conan the Librarian™,

02/04/2009 09:46:20
82
Good Morning Grahamski.
Why isn't a good anarcho-syndicalist like yourself down in London?
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Los Angeles,

02/04/2009 09:48:34


Grahamski - the one monotonous note party, and proud of it.




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Los Angeles,

02/04/2009 09:49:40

Why isn't a good anarcho-syndicalist like yourself down in London? (Conan)

Because he's a couch potato and fraud.

What we get are his nose pickings.

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Woolly Ian,

02/04/2009 09:52:04
Why donate the NET rise? Why not GROSS? Donating NET means he is still paying tax on it.

Me thinks he probably has a way of claiming this tax back, so possibly he won't lose out at all, or at least not by as much.

None of these people do anything for nothing!
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Conan the Librarian™,

02/04/2009 09:52:23
92
Good Morning LA

So he's a bit Green as well?
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puskas,

East kilbride 02/04/2009 09:52:59
No50..

Many a fine crofter.

No43 has deviated..

Morals personal. Unlike many unionist on this site . Maddox etc.

Have a fine day LA .
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puskas,

East kilbride 02/04/2009 09:57:46
No93 £18,000 donated + increase ...

Allowed by law.

Maybe Maddox should have taken an honest poll in Alex's constituancies...



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connaughtboy,

stonehaven 02/04/2009 10:03:24
Maddox being a prat, AGAIN !
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rodm,

Durham 02/04/2009 10:05:35
84# I think you actually mean Jaqui(Stupid name) Smith.
reference the sister thing, still an easy mistake, to make, same haradin hairdo, same ferret faced insincerity,
same cringing new labour spin speak, on second thoughts, you may be right they are clones, probably explains the need for the porn
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Grahamski,

Falkirk 02/04/2009 10:10:37
89
Good morning Conan,
I'm too busy working at the coalface of truth to be running around London...
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Gregor Addison,

Glasgow 02/04/2009 10:14:19
So, how many Labour, LibDem, or Tory MPs will be giving up their pay rise to charity?

Do we have an answer yet?
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Gregor Addison,

Glasgow 02/04/2009 10:20:44
#99, Grahamski

If you're at the coal face of truth how come all you keep finding is slag?
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Gregor Addison,

Glasgow 02/04/2009 10:24:11
Still no word on how many Lib Dem or Tory MPs will be giving up their pay rise to charity?
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Los Angeles,

02/04/2009 10:29:34

I'm too busy working at the coalface of truth. (Grahamskint)

Reading that fautous remark Corky the Clone would reply you are a "pompous tart."

You actually don't have anything to say. Your waffle never varies, day-after-day.

But that isn't the pitiful thing. What is pitiful is the self-imposed loneliness of your obsessive pursuit.

It's about as unhealthy a regime as anyone can impose on themselves, and the tragedy is, it makes no headway whatsoever.





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Gregor Addison,

Glasgow 02/04/2009 10:30:44
No Labour MPs willing to give up their pay rise for Charity?
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Corky,

02/04/2009 10:31:19
Grahamski,

Believe it or not internet stalking is illegal. If you feel that anyone on this site is stalking you then report them to the moderator and have their background checked.
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Gregor Addison,

Glasgow 02/04/2009 10:31:35
Surely to criticise Alex Salmond and not give up their pay rise is ... Hypocrisy!
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Tormod,

Auld Reekie 02/04/2009 10:31:37
oink oink

http://www.order-order.com/2009/03/libdems-claim-highest-expenses/

Ooh I say

http://www.order-order.com/2009/03/bank-of-england-pension-fund-surges-betting-on-inflation/
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Miss H,

02/04/2009 10:34:05
10 He has been exposed as what? Someone not taking his pay rise.

Wow that will really make people mad.

Its a trivial issue on one level but I will bet this much - the Labour MSPs will all pocket theirs.

Pointless really because when you are on 55 grand you do not actually need any more.
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Tris,

02/04/2009 10:35:33
I think the First Minister is right to encourage other MPs not to take their increases or to donate them to charity. At a time when many "ordinary" (whatever that is) people are losing their jobs, or having a pay freeze impose on them by companies who may be finding things difficult, these people have had a 2.3% pay rise. This against an official inflation figure of much less than 1%.

It's not like they were poorly paid, none of them is on the breadline.

Gray should be encouraging his MSPs to do the same, as should the other leaders. Of course some members of all parties may do this voluntaritly, but some of all parties probably won't.

Only this papaer could make a "U-turn" out of Salmond giving extra money to charity. Imagine if Gray had done that; he would be hailed as Saint Iain.
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Tormod,

Auld Reekie 02/04/2009 10:38:19
113 The refreshing aspect of Guido Fawkes he is open about being a tory, but he is as hard on tories as he is on all politicans.

Dolly Draper has a lot to learn.
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Mr. Lachie Todd,

Edinburgh 02/04/2009 10:39:01
The First Minister is not the only politician to find himself in a dual political role?

In May, 2008, Ian Paisley, only stepped down as the Leader of the Democratic Unionist Party but he is still a Member of the Northern Ireland Assembly(MLA), AND Westminster Member of Parliament for the North Antrim constituency.

At one time Mr. Paisley was also one of Northern Ireland's 3 MEPs!

I suppose these posters will also demand that the formidable Mr. Paisley return his salaries?
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Los Angeles,

02/04/2009 10:40:19

Believe it or not internet stalking is illegal. (Corky the Clone)

Hi Corky!

Last week you said you had "looked it up" and I was wrong in that assumption ... then your posts got deleted.

LoL

I see you are still double posting - watching or posting as one blogger then posting minutes later as "Corky" when it suits.

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Arfur,

02/04/2009 10:41:14
(1) Salmond for TWO YEARS donates his westmonster pay to charity.

(2) He today confirms the increase on that pay will also go to charity.

(3) He freezes his hollyrood pay.

Yet folk like woofarse, grahamski and salem are so stupid that they still attack him. You guys truly are the most pathetic little planks i have ever heard off. You support a union which is riff with slease and cooruption and you slate Salmond for this???????? Get a life you complete saddos.
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Tormod,

Auld Reekie 02/04/2009 10:43:26
The interesting thing about the index linked gilts, is that the market reacted exactly the same at the auction last week. The sale for index linked gilts was over subscribbed the market seems to think inflation will have booster rockets in a wee while.

Deflation is not what we should be worried about.
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Los Angeles,

02/04/2009 10:44:56

At one time Mr. Paisley was also one of Northern Ireland's 3 MEPs! (Todd)

Ah, yerbunobuyerbu ... He's Orange Lodge and a special case. No one dares criticise the self-appointed "doctor" of divinity. Certainly not his worshipping supporters on this thread.

Oive five hundred men behind me wid there firearms certufficates.
And behind them five hundred more wid their swimming certufficates.
And if needed ...
Five hundred more wid their cycling proficiency certufficates!




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Pat Scot,

02/04/2009 10:51:20
Self serving gestures like this are very easy when you draw three salaries

If, like Mr Salmond does, I got money for nothing, I think I'd find it very easy to give 2% of it to a charity. A hollow gesture.
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Corky,

02/04/2009 10:51:35
I would love to agree.
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ecosseman,

FACTS NOT PROPAGANDA 02/04/2009 10:53:02
WELL DONE ALEX,THIS WILL BE SEEN BY THE PUBLIC AS THE DEED TO DO.
BUT NOT BY THE LABOUR SCUM!

ROLL ON THE ELECTION!
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Los Angeles,

02/04/2009 10:53:25
If, like Mr Salmond does, I got money for nothing, I think I'd find it very easy to give 2% of it to a charity. A hollow gesture. (Pat)

Oh, stop being silly.

How the hell can someone donate their salary to charity if they don't accept it?

It does two things simultaneously: helps others and give the finger to Westminster.



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Los Angeles,

02/04/2009 10:55:07
I would love to agree. (Corky the Clone)

But you're busy being another blogger at the moment.

LoL
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Alasdair mac Alasdair Mór Mac an Righ,,

02/04/2009 11:00:43
Last night at the Scotsman Newsroom the dynamic and professional political journalists are having their daily meeting to decide on the headline story for the next day.

Shall they lead on the G20 summit of world leaders trying to sort the global financial problems.

Shall they lead of the historic USA Russia co-operation on Nuclear Arms and Iran

Shall they lead on the abuse of expenses by Labour Home Secretary claiming for porn

Shall they lead on Labour ministers claiming hundreds of thousands on second home allowances and household items that they keep and make massive capital gains on then change to main residence for 6 months before selling to avoid Capital Gains Tax. Screwing the tax payer twice.

Shall they lead on the Treasury and FSA treating the DBS in a shockingly high handed typical London manner.

Shall they lead on the massive unemployment in UK and the impact of failed economic policy of Gordon Brown.

Red phone of the Editors desk starts to flash.

"Evening Minister, Yes Sir, Yes Sir, Of Course Sir, Yes Sir, Straight Away Sir, It will be headline new Sir, Thank You Minister"

Editor turns to team. "That was the Right Honourable Jim Murphy MP and Unionist Hero, he is sending an email over for us with some suggestions, wink wink, nudge nudge"

Maddox Blushes at the mention of the Scottish Secretary who is his personal Unionist Hero and fantasy sweetheart.

Hamish asks "Was that an exclusive from the Rightful political leader of Scotland? The only man alive that Chuck Norris fears"

"Oh Yes! And he has given us another exclusive in appreciation for our support. He also thanked us for down playing Nigel's office session with the hooker" replied the editior.

"Are you all Listening!, You know that swine Salmond has been giving away his Second Salary to charity we have failed to report properly on a few occasions" Said the Editor

High fives and Punching of the Air for the Union

"Well it seems the dastard is now going to give
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Alasdair mac Alasdair Mór Mac an Righ,,

02/04/2009 11:02:02
High fives and Punching of the Air for the Union

"Well it seems the dastard is now going to give the pay rise our Labour mates in London have voted for themselves to charity as well" continued the Editor.

He reached for his phone" Hold the front Page!!!"

Editor called in the office dogs-body, "Rufus, Fresh coffee for team, we have a long night ahead of us copying and pasting from our previous articles to try and make this one look new, how shall we start.

"SNP Accused by...." or "Lord Foulkes Claimed" or "A Spokesman for Labour advised" or "Salmond Seized pay rise and forced charity to Take money"
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Corky,

02/04/2009 11:08:43
Paranoid.
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Grahamski,

Falkirk 02/04/2009 11:17:50
128
Oh and Ally MacFlubba dubba from the Outer Henrides Fast Response Unit wades in only three hours late with his now classic:
"Please Miss, Labour did it too...."
Too little, too late, oh aye the nooo!
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Los Angeles,

02/04/2009 11:23:56
Oh and Ally MacFlubba dubba from the Outer Henrides Fast Response Unit wades in only three hours late with his now classic:
"Please Miss, Labour did it too...." Too little, too late, oh aye the nooo! (Grahamskint)

Incomprehensible rubbish. LoL.
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Conan the Librarian™,

02/04/2009 11:24:01
129
War Pigs.
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Gregor Addison,

Glasgow 02/04/2009 11:28:16
Can we take it that Mike Rumbles will urge LibDem MPs to give their pay increase to charity. That would, surely, be the liberal way?

And what of Labour MPs? Wouldn't it be the decent, even socialist, thing to do?

The Tories, no doubt, will be keeping theirs; although perhaps Anabelle Goldie can persuade them to do the right thing.
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Grahamski,

Falkirk 02/04/2009 11:28:31
132
Long-haired wierdo.
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Tormod,

Auld Reekie 02/04/2009 11:31:22
134 So what exactly is your beef?
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Grahamski,

Falkirk 02/04/2009 11:31:37
131
I'm sure you find most things incmprehensible, you poor wee pet lamb, in the meantime more scenes from LA's Scotch sitting room..... LA's mummy says: 'back to your colouring books for you - oh look, here's a nice picture of that nice Bonnie Prince Charlie, isn't he handsome...'
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Grahamski,

Falkirk 02/04/2009 11:32:12
I've always had a compulsion to pogo on a hippy...
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Gregor Addison,

Glasgow 02/04/2009 11:32:39
This was a stupid argument even when it appeared in yesterday's Daily Record. It's a bit lazy of David Maddox to just regurgitate it in this way but - hey - that's what passes for journalism these days. Party political propaganda.
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Tormod,

Auld Reekie 02/04/2009 11:34:37
138 I know imagine it how dare the FM give his salary increase to charity and suggest other MSP's do the same in the economic environment.
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Clara Rude,

Royal Edinburgh Hospital, Morningside 02/04/2009 11:35:17
Grahamski. Will you be my boyfriend? I admire your vexatious and plucky spirit.

I make plonker of myself and fire off prematurely a lot and you do too, so we would make the ideal couple.
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Conan the Librarian™,

02/04/2009 11:35:17
134
Always wondered what you looked like...
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Dark Lochnagar,

http://darklochnagar.blogspot.com 02/04/2009 11:35:38
Grahamski. How you can even post support for these sleaze buckets that are robbing us left, right and centre, I do not understand. I can see that you are afraid of self-determination for your country and you might not like the FM much, but please don't embarrass yourself anymore by playing the devil's advocate. Leave it up to Roofarse, who manages to post 2 hours before anyone else and then goes to bed in his tartan, cashmere knickers.
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bill-alba,

fife 02/04/2009 11:35:45
Well done Mr Salmond yet again showing the unionist politicians what they should be doing..we'll hear about Westminster doing the same next month and the pathetic treachourous british (grahmski et al) will be on here saying what a fine and upstanding person Mr Brown is...
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Sedov,

02/04/2009 11:36:34
For all you Nats who are rejoicing at the prospect of winning lots more seats for the SNP at the next election, a word of caution based on the following:

1. Despite the fact that the present Labour government is the most unpopular in its history and that there is a serious recession in the UK, the support for the SNP has not increased greatly and in fact according to the polls, the support for independence has gone down slightly.

2. Despite rising unemployment many people are better off now because of falling interest rates and cheaper prices in the High Street etc than they were before the credit crunch. This will reflect well onto Labour.

2. Despite the charade that is the G20 , Brown appears to be winning hearts and minds including the highly popular Obama and his present low standing among the electorate will probably rise at least in the short term as will his government.

Against this is the industrial action against redundancies which will increase over the next few months.

Its still all to play for and Salmond knows this which is why he is also trying to be popular by giving some of his earnings to charity.
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Gregor Addison,

Glasgow 02/04/2009 11:43:17
#145 Sedov,

1 What polls? There hasn't been a poll for months on voting intentions in Scotland. Most results are extrapolated from British Polls like the YouGove polls, which don't ask specifically about Scotland. Also, there's been no poll on support for independence based on different questions that might be asked.

2 What you base this on I've no idea. Recent UK polls (since you're keen on polling evidence) show a clear lead for the Conservatives and have done for quite a while now. On current figures, Cameron will have a majority of over 80 seats. If that is the case, then Labour are going to take a big hit at the up and coming European elections. It looks like, to use a psephological term, they're about to get royally humped.

As for industrial action against redundancies, this will be aimed as much at Westminster as Holyrood but since the European Elections and Westminster elections are soon, Labour will take the biggest hit.

It's still all to play for and Salmond knows this which is why it's odd that Labour MPs are not prepared to give any of their pay rise to charity.
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Gregor Addison,

Glasgow 02/04/2009 11:47:17
#148, Rules but not rulers,

Sums but no calculator? 85% don't vote SNP? At the last election it was 37%. I suspect you're using the old unionist trick of counting the dead and those who didn't bother to vote. Of course, those who didn't bother to vote didn't vote for anyone. It might be that they didn't bother to vote Tory, or Labour, or whatever. Parliamentary democracy is based on those who vote, not those who don't.
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Conan the Librarian™,

02/04/2009 11:47:36
145
Sedov, on your second, second post.

"Brown winning hearts and minds."

Aye. Right.

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Los Angeles,

02/04/2009 11:56:19

I'm sure you find most things incmprehensible, (Grahamskint)

LoL - you can't even get the word right. You are the most useless blogger of snark I have ever encountered.




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Tormod,

Auld Reekie 02/04/2009 11:58:58
145 Are you for real:-

quote:- "2. Despite rising unemployment many people are better off now because of falling interest rates and cheaper prices in the High Street etc than they were before the credit crunch. This will reflect well onto Labour."

Well apart from my pension dropping 20%

savings returning fresh air

Share portfollio in bits.

And a 10% pay reduction you are right I am so much better of than before.
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The Brain,

02/04/2009 12:04:55
Why is Alex Salmond trying to milk a helicopter crash for what it's worth to him?

It's awful. He isn't an expert, he has no business meddling. He is just trying to make a catastrophe out of a disaster for his own political gains.

Disgusting.
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IainGlasgow,

02/04/2009 12:07:30
This is not a U turn, its what Salmond said he would do to begin with.

Bending and being economical with the truth is bad enough but this is a blatant out and out lie Mr Maddox and what gives 'journalists' a bad name.
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The Brain,

02/04/2009 12:08:35
It really gives insight into the sociopathic mentality of Salmond.

He's not had a 9/11
He's not had a 7/7
He doesn't get to not the passing of dead soldiers

So he believes that leaders of countries need catastrophe's and death to make them seem strong and in charge.

How awful.

It is an accident, hardly qualifies as a disaster and yet it is being treated as a catastrophe for Salmon's political gains.

He is so vacious when talking of the events. He just googles the helicopter and reads some junk off of wiki.

And the mock, fake, slow, low tone he uses to feign genuine concern is terrible. I wish he would shut up.
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Tormod,

Auld Reekie 02/04/2009 12:10:22
156 Indeed sir I forgot that sterling has devalued by 20%

It is amazing that we are not having street parties and worshipping the god of Gordon!!
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The Brain,

02/04/2009 12:11:11
"Herioc efforts" Salmond.

HERIOC?

Professional, diligent, expert efforts, yes. Herioc? No

Salmond is milking this, it is disgusting.
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The Brain,

02/04/2009 12:12:05
162

A distaster is wide spread. Words have meaning.

"Tragic accident" it is, disaster it is not. Pipa Alpha was a disaster.
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The Brain,

02/04/2009 12:16:15
159

Spot on. I agree with your statement entirely.

Brown cannot do arithmetic

Tory boom: 8% interest rises to 16%, a doubling of interest costs means £500 per month interest rise to £1,000 per month.

Brown boom: 2% fixed rate rises to 4%, a doubling of interest costs means £500 per motnh interest rises to £1,000 per month.

Brown claims that this bust is not the same due to the "maths" of it.

You are right, he is unqualified and does not understand high scholl arithmetic, to be chancellor with such lack of awareness is scarey.
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The Brain,

02/04/2009 12:17:18
Salmond and the SNP want parliament closed as mark of respect?!

Does this follow cameron's son. Politicians are scary in their cheap thoughtlessness.

It is a tragic accident, but life goes on for the rest of us.
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alanh,

ek 02/04/2009 12:17:44
#145 sedov.
Ta for the laugh. I really hope the unionist drones and the nu liebore, north brittian dept, agree with you at least until the next actual elections then we may get to see what is really happening with Scottish opinion
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Sedov,

02/04/2009 12:18:32
#149 Gregor Addison
Opinion polls are only a guide to trends and must be taken with a large pinch of salt, (eg Glenrothes which predicted an SNP victory)
For your information, the poll I was referring to was reported in the Herald of March 16th this year and I have cut and pasted some details for what they are worth:
A YouGov survey has seen Scottish Labour edge clear of the Nationalist Government for the first time since the 2007 elections. The SNP remain ahead on the constituency vote with 35%, compared to Labour's 34%, but on the regional vote Labour is on 32% and the SNP 30%. Less than two months ago the SNP enjoyed a lead of six points in both votes. If there was a vote on independence tomorrow more than half of Scots (53%) would oppose separation, while 33% said they would support it. But a majority of 57% still back an independence referendum in principle, a move opposed by the majority of parties at Holyrood.

In 11 April 2008 a poll found that independence was backed by more than 40 per cent of the population so there appears to be a clear fall in support for independence

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The Brain,

02/04/2009 12:18:53
Oh god Murphy is biggin' it up too.

We all stand in "solidarity", against who Murphy?

Salmond and Murphy kicking this "tragic accident" around like a political football is awful.
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The Brain,

02/04/2009 12:19:55
It's almost as thought Murphy and Salmond are having a competition about who can be most concerned? And who knows the most about helicopters? (Off of wiki)

Shameful.
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The Brain,

02/04/2009 12:23:17
Remember the 14 RAF lads that died in the Nimrod accident.

That was reported, rightfully, as a "tragedy".

Comparing the coverage highlights how disgusting the politicians are for hi-jacking this "tragic accident".

Murphy: Let's make disaster out of a tragedy. I care more.

Salmond: I'll see your disaster and I'll raise you a catastrophe.

Murphy: You're bluffing. I know all about helicopters.

Salmond: Well, I was in the control room. Even though I have no expertise to offer.
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alanh,

ek 02/04/2009 12:23:53
brian @ #155 and more.
You are a disgusting troll. All our political leaders, even murphy, are taking time to talk about the deaths in this accident but your tunnel blinded hatred means you only object to the Scottish govt making any statement on it.
you really are doing your cause so much good
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The Brain,

02/04/2009 12:29:09
175

It's disingenious, like kissing babies.
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The Brain,

02/04/2009 12:44:57
Ahh cracked it.

Salmond has been after the Scottish Government to be in charge of health and safety offshore for some time. So, he's spotted his opportunity.

How disgusting.

I'm looking for his interest and quotes from him on the 14 RAF lads that died in the Nimrod. Can't find any, funny that.
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Sedov,

02/04/2009 12:54:04
#169 alan no problem -but whats your take on my post at 170 which is not my opinion but the UGOV or is that just a laugh as well?
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Observer,,

Glasgow 02/04/2009 12:59:23
Brain is nothing but a trouble-making troll. He is a Tory and a racist to boot, with a bit of homophobia and misogyny thrown in for free. Anyone who has read it's posts over a period of time will have learned that.

Ignore it.
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Linoleum Blownapart,

02/04/2009 13:00:16
Brain

Sicko.
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IainGlasgow,

02/04/2009 13:03:55
#158

Now that you bring 911 into it, I don't recall Rudy Giullianni being accused of making political capital when he was at ground zero with the rescue teams (and George Bush was looking for a way to pin it on Saddam Hussein).

Would you prefer the First Minister (and local MP/MSP) simply ignore the matter completely? I suppose then you would accuse him of turning a blind eye to it and shirking his responsibility.
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The Brain,

02/04/2009 13:08:17
182 Iain

I'd prefer Alex Salmond not to hi-jack the issue like an opportunistic swivel eyed snake.

Alex Salmond wants control of offshore health and safety. He's failed to get it time and again, so he's going to exagerate this event and try and emotionally blackmail everyone into saying yes.

Politicians are unbelievably devious when it comes to this kind of thing.

Why was he not equally concerned with the Nimrod crash? Answer me that? Very similair. 10-20 people dying because of a tragic mechanical failure.
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The Brain,

02/04/2009 13:11:39
The dead bodies of the Nimrod crash were repatriated to Moray, an SNP constituency.

Why weren't the SNP fussing as much then? Perhaps there was nothing in it for them?

This is an outrage. I hope the press are not so politically correct as to ignore this flagrant opportunistic abuse of a tragedy.
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TWC,

02/04/2009 13:11:43
Grahamski must have got a doing, Bairn is on
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MoClana,

02/04/2009 13:15:31
The Unionists on here have sunk to knew lows in attacking a charity donation !!!

Salmond is not benefiting the increase or indeed the salary so where is the 'U-TURN' ? it was always going to charity.

#9 Salem ' Now we know why Salmond does not enjoy the support of the Scottish people'

BWAAHA brilliant, theres always some Unionist clown that comes out with a comment like that, he might as well of said ' black is actually white' and the 'day is really night' .....where is your brain? even the most blinkered of Unionists recognise that fact.

only a year now to Labours total demise.

Saor Alba
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The Master,

02/04/2009 13:21:31
#186 McClana: "The Unionists on here have sunk to knew lows in attacking a charity donation !!!"

This is because it's about as convincing as one of Gorgeous George's charities! Why isn't the money going to a rotating spread of causes, rather than being filtered through a secretive trust that benefits Salmond's own constituency, ie the very heart of Tartan Tory Country, thus leaving the charge open that it's all about buttering up influence.

Supernat should scrap the Trust, make up a list of Scottish Charities and divide the money.
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St.George,

02/04/2009 13:24:22
The greedy fat bast==d! he will donate his "pay rise"not his whole salary,well that's big of him.
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Observer,,

Glasgow 02/04/2009 13:24:50
187 Why ? The money is clearly related to the constituency that he represents, and it is entirely proper that it is spent there. Your proposition is illogical.

Your post is a good example of the phenomena whereby unionists, even clever ones, will scrape the bottom of any barrels they can find with their tongues to have a go at Salmiond.

Even to the point of making posts that are ridiculous.
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MoClana,

02/04/2009 13:25:03
#Sedov - what exactly is your point?

You have taken a poll which had a proportianal sample of just 168 people in Scotland and are proclaiming this as proof of a Lbour comeback?? whilst ignoring every other poll since 2007 which has shown the SNP increasing its vote! including recent by election gains.

The poll which you refer to had conflicting results which has now been pretty much dicredited (apart from the Scotsman which headlined it, but if Murphy farted it would reach front page too!)

Buy all means fight your Unionist cause, but do not insult our intelligence !
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Sanny,

02/04/2009 13:25:07
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Whilst I fully concur with your comment on Brown bankrupting the country I would also remind you of the damage done to Scotland by her majesty Mrs Thatcher. This has resulted in both the Tory’s and Labour being regarded as a bad smell in Scotland, so where is the voter to go? The DumbLibs? – they’re a joke!.

A general election must be held in the next year – unless Brown decides to declare a National Emergency! In England, not only, will there will be a total wipe-out of the Labour Party, I suspect there will be a shock to the political system by a few BNP and UKIP candidates being elected or at least coming second. The Tory’s will win in England with a substantial majority that will make the input from Scotland Ireland and Wales irrelevant! Even with a substantial increase in the SNP members in Westminster they will have little more than an irritant effect.

For Scotland the important Election will be the Holyrood one. With the Tory’s in power in Westminster and a demoralised Labour committed to infighting in a blame game. Scotland will have little alternative but to turn to the only Scottish Centric Party the – SNP. The SEP, as yet, are largely unknown. It is for this reason I believe the SNP will defeat the aim of the imposed electoral system and achieve a majority.

With regard to the introduction of Devolution I suggest you take the time to read the Scottish-UN committee Papers lodged at the Scottish National Library. Alternatively contact Dr. Wilkie through The Realm of Scotland site. It was the Council of Europe that demanded a more democratic system of government of the UK and the demand first hit the desk of John Major with the threat of sanctions if Westminster did not comply. Major was elected out of office and replaced by Blair who I believe swore when he found he had this problem but ever the opportunist he turned it to his advantage by claiming it as a Labour policy. Blair then set about making sure that the Holyr
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Observer,,

Glasgow 02/04/2009 13:26:53
188 He is compelled by Parliamentry rules as to how much he can and cannot draw from his salary.

But don't let the truth get in the way of a good rant.

Incidentally can anyone confirm what Donald Dewar did with his two salaries ? After all, he was a millionaire. Salmond isn't.
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Eve,

Scotland 02/04/2009 13:33:47
OMG can't believe how bad this headline is, you would have thought the Alex Salmond had decided to up the Westminster pay for all the MP's. Really it would be completely and utterly daft to hand it back to the tresurary so giving money to a grant system at a time where community organisations are struggling to get funding is sheer genius.

All MP's should follow suit, with their pay raise and empower the community that they are suppose to serve.

#4 The Brain: Here's where the money goes?

http://www.buchantoolbox.org/the%20mary%20salmond%20trust.htm
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MoClana,

02/04/2009 13:34:06
#Master - you seem to have a problem with Alex Salmond donating his constituency salary to charities.... in his own constituency? erm where would you like him to donate it?

Why is the charity trust 'secretive' ? have you informed the benefactors of this ? as im sure they are aware (as we all are) what the charity is, where the money goes and who benefits.

#St George - keep up the racist postings, your intelligence is so low that its actually impressive, it actually makes Wufus and Co. look clever ....and thats really saying something!
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Grahamski,

Falkirk 02/04/2009 13:38:52
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Don't drag me into this.
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The Master,

02/04/2009 13:41:06
#189 Observer: "187 Why ? The money is clearly related to the constituency that he represents, and it is entirely proper that it is spent there. Your proposition is illogical."

Exactly my point. Why isn't the money spread amongst the whole of Scotland, rather than being concentrated in a Nationalist Heartland Area in which Supernat's the big man?

Your assertion that my proposition is illogical would have Mr Spock (of Star Trek Fame) scratching his head!

#195 MoClana: have you read Rufus' post at #1? Salmond's Trust's a laughing stock. My suggestion is that he spread the money around a range of long established Scottish Charities (operating throughout Scotland and not just in Tartan Tory Country).
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Glasgow 02/04/2009 13:41:57
196 I would just ignore the Troll - the circumstances and context between both incidents are completely different. If Salmond had jumped in both feet first about the Nimrod - highly controversial - MILITARY disaster, then he would have been accused of all sorts, and quite rightly so.

The troll is comparing apples with organges, they ain't the same thing.
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Glasgow 02/04/2009 13:47:07
198 Bizarre Master truly bizarre. The money clearly correlates to the area he was elected to represent. So does the Trust fund. He might as well just give it away in the street as spread the money around the whole of Scotland, it's not that much and it would disappear into the mix. This way there is something tangible and linked to his constituency.

I guess that's why you hate it.
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Sedov,

02/04/2009 13:47:46
#190 No the question is - What is your point?

I was asked about latest poll on independence at #149 and I pasted it word for word with the qualification that polls could not be trusted.

Where have I mentioned "Labour comeback"?

A good general looks objectively at the facts and plans accordingly and that is what you would expect from Salmond who unlike many of the Nats, is wisely not writing off Labour and taking things for granted.

It is obvious to me that most Nats cannot think objectively and analyise the trends and possibilities within society such is their allegiance to blind loyalty.

This will be your downfall as it has been for many other parties before you, so take some good advice and stop gloating on something that may never come about.
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Linoleum Blownapart,

02/04/2009 13:50:33
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Hi kimba!
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The Master,

02/04/2009 13:55:43
#193 Observer: "Incidentally can anyone confirm what Donald Dewar did with his two salaries ? After all, he was a millionaire. Salmond isn't."

But the circumstances were totally different: Dewar and many others took advantage of trasitionary arrangements designed to allow MPs to transfer to the newly established SP. Supernat exploited the same concession many years after the SP had been established and had every opportunity to stand for the SP rather than Westminster.

#200 Observer: so it's OK for a local MP to spread money about his constituency rather like a Medieval Laird trying to keep the peasantry sweet?
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Grahamski,

Falkirk 02/04/2009 14:05:07
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Master,
Stop being beastly to the nats. It'll just encourage them to cut and paste smears form their nutty nat websites.
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MoClana,

02/04/2009 14:08:14
# Sedov 'It is obvious to me that most Nats cannot think objectively and analyise the trends and possibilities within society such is their allegiance to blind loyalty'

Erm...did you miss the point about every poll since 2007 showing an increase in SNP support, by election gains etc?

You obviously did, and chose to select a one off poll showing conflicitng findings based on a sample of 168 people in Scotland and which went against every previous ' analysis and trend '

Labour are coming to an end and Scotland is moving closer to independence.

Saor Alba
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BMeister,

Drem but about to go the beach 02/04/2009 14:09:40
'he will donate his "pay rise"not his whole salary,well that's big of him'

St George, do you ever read the article or think before you post?

He isn't only donating the increase. He already donates the MSP money to a trust, he only takes the MP salary (and the FM money) which he (and some others) are effectively freezing by giving the rise to charity.

If he donated all his Westminster salary then he would receive just the FM money which may go after the next election leaving him nothing.

Tell you what, I'll set up a trust and you pay all your income into and I'll give it away, as that seems to be what you think is logical.
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MoClana,

02/04/2009 14:20:15
#Master = not sure if you are just thick or totally blinkered in your hatred for Alex Salmond, but if AS is paid a salary for being the constituent MP for a certain areas, and choses not to profit from the salary but instead donate it too the very constiuency in which the salary relates too, then where is your argument?

You have no doubt checked ou the trust details on line and have seen the donations / grants it provides for local communities and youth organisations...and still you choose to attack it!

Listen, it a nice day outside, Grahamski is not doing anything either, why dont you both go to the park, get a bottle Bucky and calm the f**k down.
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Linoleum Blownapart,

02/04/2009 14:26:52
I think I'll become a journalist on the Hootsman. All you have to do is prepare a few articles and re-hash them. What a life.

(By prepare, I mean copy and paste labour briefings).
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Sedov,

02/04/2009 14:42:53
#205 This is getting boring - can you people not read posts properly? I was asked to produce the latest poll to back up my argument which was based on the CURRENT situation and the handling of the credit crunch and its effects so what are you blethirin about?

In any case NO polls can be trusted whoever they put in front - I made that quite clear.

Try and be objective behind your yellow and black glasses.
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georgia, chloe's mommy,

somewhere outside chicago 02/04/2009 14:45:50
In the USA, oftentimes when someone gives big bucks to charity, it is so that amount can be written off their tax, just to make their tax liability smaller. While the charity does benefit, in the long run others pay for that "kind" deed, because the "giver" then doesn't pay his/her share of tax. I think a lot of our so-called "charitable" people are skillful at giving just enough to offset their taxable income to an "acceptable" (for them) level....

How nice it would be if Mr. and Mrs. Richie Gotrocks would simply give without thought of any recompensation. They would then pay their just taxes, and the rest of us pinched middle class could maybe pay a couple of dollars less....mind you, we of the pinched middle class do our share of giving, but it is often of the "dollar here, dollar there" variety that cannot be documented at tax time.
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georgia, chloe's mommy,

somewhere outside chicago 02/04/2009 14:47:18
So if Mr. Salmond is giving his bonus to charity, he will probably be able to recoup some of it anyway...
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The Master,

02/04/2009 14:49:30
#207 MoClana: "#Master = not sure if you are just thick or totally blinkered in your hatred for Alex Salmond, but if AS is paid a salary for being the constituent MP for a certain areas, and choses not to profit from the salary but instead donate it too the very constiuency in which the salary relates too, then where is your argument?"

Methinks he doth protest too much! There'd soon be an outcry if some MP with private means (such as Mr Sarwar, to take a random example) chose to forego his salary and instead set up a charitable trust for the benefit of causes within the area he represents. I can just hear the Nats bleating now at this attempt to effectively "buy" votes!

The principle's the same.
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#212 No idea what you are on about dude but nice to hear from our transatlantic cousins.
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Ahhhh, the Scottish unionista.Was there ever a more spiteful childish cowardly strain ogf the human species?.

I doubt it. Quick enough to slither off into the shadows when their own parties REAL sleaze is exposed, they come roaring out of the traps, spittle flying, in a frenzy of mock outrage.

Trilling at the tops of their voices as they vainly try to land a metaphorical punch on the first minister, on the back of another petty little article on this site.

Humiliating
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Eve,

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#212 georgia, chloe's mommy: Are you talking about have money taken out of your wages before Tax and National Insurance?

I'm aware that for some charities you can make donations in this way. Though I think grant founders are slightly different.

The article says: "The untaxed part of his £1,457 pay increase as a Westminster MP, approximately £870 will go to the Mary Salmond Trust"

It says nothing about it coming out of his wages, sounds like he gets paid and he either has a dirrect debt or makes the payment to his trust fund for the local community.
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Linoleum Blownapart,

02/04/2009 15:23:00
Are you lot STILL here?
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Saruman,

02/04/2009 15:40:03
#212 georgia: how old is little chloe and what does she look like? I'm sure she's irredeemably sweet!
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Stuntman Mike,

02/04/2009 15:47:18
I see kimba (who used to be a regular on here) recently had a tiff with that beloved boyfriend of hers (the one she threatened to send to pay a visit to the Spook in Leith lol)

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/uk-world-news/2009/03/31/woman-who-bit-off-boyfriend-s-tongue-jailed-for-three-years-86908-21243017
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TheDisplacedGlaswegian,

02/04/2009 17:08:57
The headline is an absolute disgrace.

Here's our first minister giving his Westminster salary to a local charity trust yet this so called 'quality newspaper' decides to run with a negative headline that is loaded to paint a lie and wrongly influence people's perception of the man.

Compare this with The Scotsman's attitude to the incompetents in the labour party who have lied to us, lied to parliament, employed their siblings to do nothing, lied about their expenses, lied about their office location, embezzled hundreds of thousands of pounds from us, organised their own massive redundancy payments, bred apathy and negativity, and who have taken their vote for granted for 50 years. This paper NEVER investigates these parasites yet goes all out to slander an honest and good man and perhaps the best leader and politician Scotland has ever produced. I cannot believe it can give so much respect to a rabble of desk thumping idiots yet show none to Alex Salmond.

What has Scotland done to deserve 'The Scotsman'?
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Alasdair mac Alasdair Mór Mac an Righ,,

02/04/2009 17:14:23
212georgia, chloe's mommy, somewhere outside chicago 02/04/2009 14:47:18
So if Mr. Salmond is giving his bonus to charity, he will probably be able to recoup some of it anyway...

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The taxation of Charities in the UK is similar in principle but firstly lets clarify what is being given away.

Alex receives his salary for being First Minister of Scottish Parliament & MSP and as he also a Westminster MP he MUST(Originally tried to not take it but UK rules insist he takes the second salary) in order to comply with the law he must receive both salaries.

He is donating the net income from one of these after the government has taken the tax at source. This is the reason for them reporting

"The untaxed part of his £1,457 pay increase as a Westminster MP, approximately £870"

Will be going to a charity he set up to help the people he represents.

As far as I understand and I am sure I will be corrected but he donates the entire Net of Tax salary 100% of it to the charity.

This is not a tax dodge, the reason this is news is that this newspaper is a lapdog of the UK Labour party and is trying to mis-represent the issue to please its london masters.

There has been a UK MP payrise and he is just confirming that he is also donating this to the charity as well as the original full salary.

A shameful attempt to misinform and mislead by men who require a master to tell them how how to jump.
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02/04/2009 17:15:54
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The headline is an absolute disgrace.
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ERM No.

The headline is fantastic.
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RufusT-Firefly,

02/04/2009 17:20:48
Gordon Brown is doing a sterling job at the G20.

I hope Salmond is watching Sky News to see how its done.

It all puts Salmond's shouting in the Toy Parliament into perspective.
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RufusT-Firefly,

02/04/2009 17:31:18
Stock markets through the roof.

The recession is over.

Gordon Brown will go down in history.

Makes you proud to be British.
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Observer,,

Glasgow 02/04/2009 17:33:38
203 Master - so you think Salmond's constituents are peasants and can be bought for a few shiny buttons from the Laird? Tut tut. The feudal system was replaced some time ago - for most of us.
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Observer,,

Glasgow 02/04/2009 17:35:43
204 Grahsmski - reduced to a spectator now are we ? Please join in (when you can think of something to say, that is).
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Brian Hill,

02/04/2009 17:36:22
#127/128 Alasdair mac. Very amusing Alasdair. You either work in the Scotsman or you have the second sight.
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georgia, chloe's mommy,

somewhere outside chicago 02/04/2009 17:36:58
Chloe is a 14-year-old American Shorthair-Siamese moggie. She is, as you say, #218, "irredeemably sweet"!

In our country, if you give to charity, you can write that amount off your taxable income (within certain limits, of course), but it does add up if you give thousands or millions of dollars....

I don't know about how things are done in Scotland and other countries on the other side of the Atlantic. I am convinced, however, that if a person were to take bonuses when those around him are not able to, he will probably not do a true about-face but will look for a way to capitalize on the situation if he can. That was the gist of what I was trying to express.

A big shout-out to you, Davie08, because I have been to Scotland and think it's a great country!! Will go back someday to see all I had to miss on the prior short holiday!!
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Alasdair mac Alasdair Mór Mac an Righ,,

02/04/2009 17:40:20
#220 Displaced

It is an utterly disgraceful attempt and the unionist cheerleaders bring nothing but shame on themselves by going along with this.

If there was a Labour MP donating his/her salary to charity then I would support them for their community spirit.

Is there any Labour MP's collecting twice.

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Glasgow 02/04/2009 17:41:18
210 I don't think you're being very objective Sedov, the SNP's showing in the polls is quite remarkable given the economic context and deliberate attempts to undermine confidence in Scotland's ability to be independent. If ever the bottom was going to drop out of the impetus to independence it would have happened by now: it hasn't.
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Eve,

Scotland 02/04/2009 17:42:16
#226 RufusT-Firefly: What are you on?

A Recession can't be fixed over night, it took a few years for it to happen and it's going to at least last until the end of this year.

To believe other wise is to be incredibly nieve.

"Gordon Brown will go down in history." Aye and he'll also go down in Economics, Mathematics, French and German. ;)
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The Master,

02/04/2009 17:43:14
#228 Observer,,: "203 Master - so you think Salmond's constituents are peasants and can be bought for a few shiny buttons from the Laird? Tut tut."

Ironically enough, yours sarcasm probably strikes a chord in Banffshire! They're not like the rest of us in darkest Tartan Tory Country.

#236 Observer,,: don't you know that Nationalism traditionally thrives at times of severe economic dislocation; nothing remarkable about it at all!
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Glasgow 02/04/2009 17:44:09
233 The SNP must be a multi-faceted single issue party. I am sure that is logical in some worlds.
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Brian Hill,

02/04/2009 17:46:28
#226 Rufus says:

Stock markets through the roof.

The recession is over.

A bit like saying, Scotland beat Iceland, it will win the World Cup.

Rufus I hope you had your long, wolf like tongue firmly embedded into your cheek when you wrote that?
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Observer,,

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239 tut tut Master we know the kind of nationalism you mean and that does not apply to the SNP.

I doubt that even in Banffshire they can be bought off by a Trust Fund for community projects.


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RufusT-Firefly,

02/04/2009 17:49:10
Salmond has done more U Turns than Dolly Sheep.

Splendid.

A conviction politician.
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RufusT-Firefly,

02/04/2009 17:50:26
242 Brian Hill,


AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH Brian the Weather Man is here.

I forecast clouds and a big depression over your house Brian.
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TheDisplacedGlaswegian,

Edinburgh 02/04/2009 18:01:42
Alasdair mac Alasdair Mór Mac an Righ, this is about manners and how you conduct yourself. It's as if The Scotsman's owners, editors and writers are not ion the least bit bothered to show themselves up.

(BTW, good posts127/128)

As far as labour MSPs claiming Westminter salaries: given you need to ask says it all about how the press have never thought this an issue until it applied to an SNP MSP and MP...
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Glasgow 02/04/2009 18:02:36
''Salmond has done more U turns than Dolly sheep''

You have to explain that Rufus. Sheep doing U turns ?
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The Brain,

02/04/2009 18:13:10
Union is Better

I heard a story about a nutter working as press secretary for the SNP in Musselburgh. I think he got kicked out for being a bit wierd.

Do you have any further details of that? You must know ;)
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Gregor Addison,

Glasgow 02/04/2009 18:17:12
#210 Sedov,

It was you who brought the polls up. I didn't ask. I responded to your claim at #145 that the polls showed (1) support for the SNP 'has not increased greatly'. (2) cheaper prices because of the credit crunch will "reflect well onto Labour". (2) which you probably meant to be (3) "Brown appears to be winning hearts and minds including the highly popular Obama and his present low standing among the electorate will probably rise at least in the short term".

At #170 you claim opinion polls are only a guide, which makes me wonder why you even brought it up, since as a guide (or trend) the polls show steady support both for the SNP and independence, despite the fact that there have been very few Scottish polls (most are extrapolated from a tiny sample in British polls). Having told us to take these polls with a pinch of salt, you then quote one extensively, the sample rate of which was 168.

At #201 you say "A good general looks objectively at the facts and plans accordingly". I suggest you go back to the drawing board. Labour are in trouble and Brown does not look like he is going to get them out of it. The Tories are currently ahead in the polls, if we take them as a guid, and have been for a long time. This would give Cameron more than an 80 seat majority. Before that, however, Labour have to fight the European Elections and look set to lose heavily (especially if the country decide they want to send Brown a message of their discontent).

So all in all, I'd repeat my view that things look considerably more bleak for Labour than they do for the SNP. Good luck!
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The Brain,

02/04/2009 18:17:44
What's everyone's view on republicanism and socialism?

Should these be accepted or rejected by the SNP?
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Gregor Addison,

Glasgow 02/04/2009 18:19:21
By the way, did we ever get an answer - or are we still waiting - to which MPs in the LibDems, Labour, or Tory party are giving their pay rises to charity?
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Observer,,

Glasgow 02/04/2009 18:20:25
256 Chicken feed to Sarwar. Of course he won't allow unions in his workplaces, good business sense, and how lucky that New Labour, the Party of the People, approve of such tactics.
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Gregor Addison,

Glasgow 02/04/2009 18:24:38
#259 The Brain,

what's your view on Tories having a brain? Should it be allowed?
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The Brain,

02/04/2009 18:26:37
Union is better/observer

Would you be embarassed to be fired from and kicked out of the SNP for being a raving left-wing nut job?

If you ever were, would you still campaign for independence by creating multiple characters and posting sh*te on here all day?
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Glasgow 02/04/2009 18:27:55
263 So she services her constituents, but not apparently her husband ?

On that note I am off.

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Observer,,

Glasgow 02/04/2009 18:29:42
266 don't have a clue what you're on about dear. Try someone who knows what you are gibbering on about.

Bye.
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Faux Cul,

02/04/2009 18:32:30
The Half-Brain appears to have CJD

Useless bit of degenerative tissue.

Probably a failed lawyer
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RufusT-Firefly,

02/04/2009 18:36:19
251 Observer,,Glasgow 02/04/2009 18:02:36
''Salmond has done more U turns than Dolly sheep'
You have to explain that Rufus. Sheep doing U turns ?
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Ok I will spell it out for the hard of thinking.

Ewe Turns!
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The Brain,

02/04/2009 18:52:52
Union is Better/observer/brownlie

What is your opinion on the £34 minimum wage? (As proposed by a left-wing nutcase who was thrown out of the SNP for also being a member of a "banned political party" - whatever that is a euphomism for?
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Faux Cul,

02/04/2009 18:59:53
277 Brain

Use a spell checker, even an American one.
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02/04/2009 19:04:40
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How do I fell about it? I think £34 minimum wage is the proposal of a madman. You'd even get fired from your job as press secretary and kicked out of the SNP for that.
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The Brain,

02/04/2009 19:05:07
But how do you feel about republican socialists for independence?
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The Brain,

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284 Union

I agree, Labour are abhorrent, there is no excuse for their abuses.

But... why are you accusing me of defending that? I always condemn it. You debate like so many others and you are still ducking the question about whether or not you are a chess playing socialist republican for independence who believes in a £34 minimum wage.

Do you condemn those ideas as the work of a left wing looney who deserved to be sacked and thrown out of the SNP?
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The Brain,

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Must be pretty bad when even the SNP think you're a pariah.
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Ewe Turns? Bah humbug.
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Linoleum Blownapart,

02/04/2009 19:18:03
Brain

What party would you support if you were allowed to vote?
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He was doing tricks ON the car Union?
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292 Union is better/observer/bronlie

Busted!
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Linoleum Blownapart,

02/04/2009 19:25:13
I don't understand this "car-crushing" sketch.
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The Brain,

02/04/2009 19:25:39
298 Union

Even under one of your many fake names you can't bare to admit that the £34 minimum wage is the work of a looney left mad man.

Stubborn to the last. I once read an account of a republican socialist press secretary who was sacked and expelled from the SNP for being a member of a "banned political party".

What a scandal!
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Linoleum Blownapart,

02/04/2009 19:25:42
and I got #300 for independence.
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Rab haw,

02/04/2009 19:26:02
Rufus first on yesterday then you disapeared, now on today with your rants, ur a plook and to quote unionist press comments to back your rants shows how little you actually recognise the feeling in this country, get another life face the facts you have wasted this one backing parasites and maggots.
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02/04/2009 19:26:07
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Linoleum Blownapart,

02/04/2009 19:27:18
Is that worse than the Tory donor who was kicked out of the party for donating £100 to the UKIP?
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Linoleum Blownapart,

02/04/2009 19:29:06
Or how about the 82-year-old labour member who was thrown out of its annual conference for heckling?

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Florence,

Edinburgh 02/04/2009 19:29:07
155 THE BRAIN: I think your remarks are quite disgraceful and an insult to Alex Salmond and all right-minded people who are distressed at this dreadful tragedy. You should be ashamed of yourself at your total lack of probity.
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BMeister,

02/04/2009 19:29:20
I thought it was AM2 who had the car crushed?
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RufusT-Firefly,

02/04/2009 19:31:11
304 Rab haw,02/04/2009 19:26:02
Rufus first on yesterday then you disapeared, now on today with your rants, ur a plook and to quote unionist press comments to back your rants shows how little you actually recognise the feeling in this country, get another life face the facts you have wasted this one backing parasites and maggots.
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The feeling in this country?

What country are you in?

Certainly, here in Scotland, the Union majority are well in control.

We have no worries.
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Linoleum Blownapart,

02/04/2009 19:32:52
I think Brain's X-ray was posted before.

tinyurl.com/d5t3gv
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Rab haw,

02/04/2009 19:33:32
HaHa thats why you waste your time on here then I would get out and about if I was you.
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Linoleum Blownapart,

02/04/2009 19:33:51
311

Thanks Col. Meths says hello.
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02/04/2009 19:33:56
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The Brain,

02/04/2009 19:34:02
How did you feel when they threw you out of the SNP? Do you still speak to anyone or have you been completely exiled?

Do they give you the cold shoulder still, or have you made up?
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Linoleum Blownapart,

02/04/2009 19:35:39
.... as does "Hoots." Pistol Knight (banned after 2 posts) also passes on his regards. Hugh is otherwise detained. Such is life.
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Faux Cul,

02/04/2009 19:35:45
#295

You just do not have a clue!

Either that, or you are aspirant for the comedy circuit.
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Rab haw,

02/04/2009 19:36:02
By the way who are the Unionists ? The hangers on and never worked and never will or the pigs who have their snouts in the trough.
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The Brain,

02/04/2009 19:36:26
If the SNP secure independence, will you not be upset that you were thrown out and it was nothing to do with your efforts?

Imagine independence being your life and then getting thrown out of the SNP for also secretely being a member of a "banned political party"?

What is a "banned political party"?

It sounds like political talk for a racist or violent party?
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Linoleum Blownapart,

02/04/2009 19:36:52
As the great man said, "I would not join any club that would have someone like me for a member."
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RufusT-Firefly,

02/04/2009 19:38:14
Gordon Brown.............a leader on the world stage.

Alex Salmond.................a leader in the queue for Greggs.
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Linoleum Blownapart,

02/04/2009 19:38:53
Rufus - on stage sweeping up.
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02/04/2009 19:38:58
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The Brain,

02/04/2009 19:39:19
321

Groucho Marx was a great man!!

You really do have clowns for heroes.
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02/04/2009 19:39:52
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02/04/2009 19:41:04
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Rab haw,

02/04/2009 19:41:28
Like I said yesterday name me anything that Gordon Brown has done right? and the easy one name me all the things he has got wrong.
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The Brain,

02/04/2009 19:41:34
Union is Better

You seem rattled that I am asking about the £34 minimum wage and a time when someone was kicked out the SNP.

Why are you rattled?
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Linoleum Blownapart,

02/04/2009 19:42:07
Here's how Gordon does it.

http://www.tpadata.com/browncalculator/
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Linoleum Blownapart,

02/04/2009 19:43:02
Time for another game methinks. I got 14 Rufus!

http://www.bailoutbrown.com/
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BMeister,

02/04/2009 19:43:09
#315 Union is Better

I deeply apologise to both you and AM2 for my unintentionally scurrilous remark.

NB/ Can you claim for the extra time, ink etc. required to fill out multiple expense forms?
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The Brain,

02/04/2009 19:43:38
328 Rab haw

Is there any thought you have that does not have a glaring and obvious flaw?

One thing Brown has done right - put the knife in Blair.

Easy to list all he has done wrong - incorrect, that is hard as he has done so much wrong no-one cast list it all.

Honestly, you are thick. I know you think your rhetoric is clever, but it is flawed. You are a chube.
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Linoleum Blownapart,

02/04/2009 19:43:50
"Groucho Marx was a great man!!

You really do have clowns for heroes."

I can see a fight with Rufus coming up.
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02/04/2009 19:44:02
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Linoleum Blownapart,

02/04/2009 19:44:48
Aw Jeez - the brain is a Tory.
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Rab haw,

02/04/2009 19:45:04
You small time paper pedlars are achieving nothing with your sniping at Alex and you know it. gordon is lost and his return to the spiritual path is too late to save his political future.
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Linoleum Blownapart,

02/04/2009 19:45:34
Or maybe Lib-Dem (Heaven forfend)
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02/04/2009 19:45:39
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Linoleum Blownapart,

02/04/2009 19:45:58
Bye. Dinner.
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Rab haw,

02/04/2009 19:46:51
That job at the foot of this I recommend to Rufus it might be a better more secure future for you. The one in the middle.
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RufusT-Firefly,

02/04/2009 19:47:00
#331 Linoleum

"He may look like an idiot and talk like an idiot but don't let that fool you. He really is an idiot".
Groucho Marx
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RufusT-Firefly,

02/04/2009 19:48:52
"Don't look now, but there's one too many in this room and I think it's you".
Groucho Marx
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02/04/2009 19:49:46
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RufusT-Firefly,

02/04/2009 19:49:57
Blimp.........

I cannot say that I do not disagree with you.
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BMeister,

02/04/2009 19:51:08
339
But then surely you have to fill another claim form for the expenses incurred in filling out your expenses claim form for filling out the expenses claim forms.

Infinite expense claims beckon. Trebles all round (can I have a receipt for those please?).
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02/04/2009 19:53:24
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The Brain,

02/04/2009 19:53:31
Just mentioning that £34 minimum wage and the fact you were kicked out a disgraced man from the SNP seems to have got up your nose?

Why is that? Even the SNP think you're a crack-pot. Did that hurt your feelings? Is there any conditions that they will "take you back"?
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RufusT-Firefly,

02/04/2009 19:54:22
Lost Angeles.............

Now there sits a man with an open mind. You can feel the draft from here.
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RufusT-Firefly,

02/04/2009 19:55:10
The Brain, what is this £34 min wage nonsense?
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02/04/2009 19:59:34
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RufusT-Firefly,

02/04/2009 20:01:08
#352

Andy?

Car Crushing?

You finally flipped?

The warning signs were there right enough.
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The Brain,

02/04/2009 20:08:30
Is Fiona Hyslop evil. She looks like a Disney cartoon villain.

355 Col Blimp

Are you a republican socialist as well? You seem awfully touchy all of a sudden, you ex-SNP lot.

Was it something I said about being forcably expelled from the SNP in disgrace?
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The Brain,

02/04/2009 20:12:16
Do you know who it was that was expelled from the SNP in disgrace, a press secretary (I think), for being involved secretly with a "banned political party"?

I am wondering why you are getting so worked up about it? Are you not members of the SNP?
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Faux Cul,

02/04/2009 20:17:33
I am not in the knickerbocker club and glad to be so.

Nuts, the lot of you car crushers.
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bully wee alba,

Edinburgh 02/04/2009 20:21:12
RufusT-Firefly,


“Now there sits a man with an open mind. You can feel the draft from here.”

draft or draught
A draft is either a preliminary written version of something or a body of people selected for a special purpose: The solicitor had prepared a draft of the letter he intended to send; A second draft of troops was called in to assist in the flooded area. A draught is a current of air or a swallowing of liquid: There's a terrible draught in here; He downed his glass of beer in a single draught. In American English the usual spelling is draft

You are not too bright are you?

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The Brain,

02/04/2009 20:21:39
Is anyone on this board a member of the "Scottish Republican Socialist Movement" and one other "banned political party"?

Would love to hear from you if you are. Don't be shy now, be proud of your beliefs.
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02/04/2009 20:28:17
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The Brain,

02/04/2009 20:29:24
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_wPAMmQ5Hk0

You can see "friends of bam-pot" here advocating terror training camps.

This person posts on this notice board and is typical of the cybernat.
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Conan the Librarian™,

02/04/2009 20:39:03
361

Does the Labour party before Blair Count?
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02/04/2009 20:40:31
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The Brain,

02/04/2009 20:41:00
Union is best/observer/brownlie/etc must be spewing his identity has been discovered
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Conan the Librarian™,

02/04/2009 20:48:56
366
Hi Brain.How is Pinky these days? Could you answer my question now?
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Observer,,

Glasgow 02/04/2009 20:51:12
366 what are you banging on about ? You sound like a malfunctioning robot. Republican socialist ? I know Tommy Sheridan, does that count ?
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The Brain,

02/04/2009 20:53:21
367

Yes, of course I can answer a question.

The answer to your question is no. The SRSM wants independence, Labour before Blair didn't.

What do you think of a £34 minimum wage?

Not £10, Not £20, Not £30, Not £40, Not £50, but £34. It has been seriously and scientifically calculated by a serious political activist you see.
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The Brain,

02/04/2009 20:53:56
368

Yes. Tommy SHeridan would count.
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Observer,,

Glasgow 02/04/2009 20:56:24
370 Ok then I am guilty (if that will shut you up).

Whatever it is it was I did it.
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Observer,,

Glasgow 02/04/2009 21:00:05
Ewe turn rufus ? I accuse you of making that up.
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Conan the Librarian™,

02/04/2009 21:06:05
369
The Labour Party was founded on the principles of Socialism, Republicism and Home Rule.
Sorry; I meant Eric Arthur Blair of course.

Tony a socialist? Lol.
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02/04/2009 21:07:07
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Conan the Librarian™,

02/04/2009 21:11:12
374

Heh, another Blair.
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Conan the Librarian™,

02/04/2009 21:15:25
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Sorry Bogeyman, the original Mrs Mac type character on take the High Road was "Maggie Blair" o' Keltie clippie fame.
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02/04/2009 21:16:03
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Hugh Roscombe,

02/04/2009 21:18:17
Ah-HA! Found the blighter.
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Hugh Roscombe,

02/04/2009 21:19:14
Hoos and indeed Poos.
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Conan the Librarian™,

02/04/2009 21:23:45
379

I watched the first episode of TTHR because the theme tune was by Silly Wizard, and I kent a couple of the actors too.

Only the first episode mind you.
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Evening Signor Blownapart.
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Linoleum Blownapart,

02/04/2009 21:43:30
Evening Conan.
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The Brain,

02/04/2009 21:47:25
Is anyone of your multiple log ins going to admit to being an ex-SNP press secretary, ex because you were kicked out in disgrace.

Is any one of your log ins going to acknowledge a £34 minimum wage is just stupid?

I notice how you duck the question, when your own silly questions on Labour get answered. I have no problem talking badly about Labour.
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Linoleum Blownapart,

02/04/2009 21:53:51
384 Brainiac

You are boring us all. Go away. I'm for independence. For me the SNP is a means to an end. What party do YOU support? If you've no problem talking about labour then you're either Tory (snigger) or LibDem (snigerissimo). In which case you are dismissed as an irrelevance.
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Linoleum Blownapart,

02/04/2009 21:54:32
That's sniggerissimo. Sorry for the faux pas.
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The Brain,

02/04/2009 21:59:09
385

I notice you duck the question again?

What do you think about a £34 minimum wage? Admit it! It's a stupid idea.

After independence would you start voting for Scottish Republic Socialist Movement again? Is that why they chucked you out the SNP?
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Linoleum Blownapart,

02/04/2009 21:59:30
I'm off for a pint. This has become Dullsville.
C'mon "Brain". Which party do you support?
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Observer,,

Glasgow 02/04/2009 22:02:35
384 Who are you talking to and why your obsession with a bizarre little outfit who haven't updated their website since 2003 ?
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Linoleum Blownapart,

02/04/2009 22:02:36
Brain

"Is that why they chucked you out the SNP?"

Given that I've never been a member it would have been hard to chuck me out! Over the years I've voted SNP and also Dennis Canavan (great guy). I'd vote for any party that would deliver independence. Today it's the SNP. Tomorrow - who knows?

Re £34 minimum wage - wtf is all that about?
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Linoleum Blownapart,

02/04/2009 22:05:12
£34 minimum wage?

Welcome to the Twilight Zone.

Do do do do do do do do
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Linoleum Blownapart,

02/04/2009 22:06:10
I've been chucked out of pubs, but I've never been chucked out of the SNP. Does that help?
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Linoleum Blownapart,

02/04/2009 22:06:42
Seriously. I'm off for a pint. Laters - as in mañana.
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Observer,,

Glasgow 02/04/2009 22:14:26
Well, no answer was the loud reply from Brains.

What a weird guy.

He tries to pick a fight and then runs away. Oh well.

347

Weapon of choice,

02/04/2009 22:28:22
Evening Conan
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RufusT-Firefly,

02/04/2009 22:32:54
360 bully wee alba,Edinburgh 02/04/2009 20:21:12
RufusT-Firefly,
“Now there sits a man with an open mind. You can feel the draft from here.”
draft or draught
A draft is either a preliminary written version of something or a body of people selected for a special purpose: The solicitor had prepared a draft of the letter he intended to send; A second draft of troops was called in to assist in the flooded area. A draught is a current of air or a swallowing of liquid: There's a terrible draught in here; He downed his glass of beer in a single draught. In American English the usual spelling is draft

You are not too bright are you?
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Bully Boy you are an idiot.

You think you are so clever trying to correct everyone but all you do is show yourself up to be a prize dimwit.

If you paid attention to what was going on, I was posting some famous Groucho Marx quotes.

“Now there sits a man with an open mind. You can feel the draft from here.” is a famous Groucho Marx quote.

Groucho Marx was American.

Bully Boy, You are not too bright are you?

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Observer,,

Glasgow 02/04/2009 22:36:36
Rufus - to paraphrase. A child of five would understand your posts. None of us are five.
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Rab haw,

02/04/2009 22:39:57
Great to be recognised by the brain how does he do smell, sight, no his paranoic thoughts AN even more easy question for u brain if you still have a memory why are the English people up in arms about Scotland getting so much under the SNP. Why do a number of them have to avail themselves of a move here to get fair treatment from our health service It was never the case under Liebore or Maggot THatcher. you like all sponge like matter soak up the c*ap.
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RufusT-Firefly,

02/04/2009 22:43:02
397 Observer.

Worst attempt at a paraphrase ever.
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Rab haw,

02/04/2009 22:45:36
How long is the life of a fire fly I thought it should be ant food by now
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Observer,,

Glasgow 02/04/2009 22:46:21
Rufus - did you catch Stephen Timms the Treasury Minister saying ''We have moved beyond the era of stigma for accessing IMF''.

That, sadly, is not paraphrased.

Oh dear.
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RufusT-Firefly,

02/04/2009 22:47:51
401 Observer

And your point is?

Did you not see the OECD report this week?
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Observer,,

Glasgow 02/04/2009 22:53:33
I would have thought the point was obvious. He's trying to get the other G20 countries (and beyond) to commit enough money to bail the UK out....



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Observer,,

Glasgow 02/04/2009 23:00:48
It's a real slap in the face for Gordon Brown in his own country to be told to whistle dixie if he is looking for fiscal stimulus, isn't it. Poor guy. The emphasis will be on tougher regulation - so much for Britian leading the world in risk based regulation eh ? Knock-backs all round.
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RufusT-Firefly,

02/04/2009 23:01:27
Observer, where is your source for this?
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Observer,,

Glasgow 02/04/2009 23:05:07
As Angela Merkel says the G20 agreement is a victory for common sense (as GB did not get what he wanted) and as Sarkozy says the anglo-Saxon financial model the world has been living with since Breton-Woods has had it's day. A page has been turned. Don't you agree Rufus ?
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Observer,,

Glasgow 02/04/2009 23:05:58
The Financial Times.
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Los Angeles,

02/04/2009 23:10:23
Observer, where is your source for this? (Rufus the Dufus)

As if you care. No sooner will he post it than you'll do your impersonation of an hyena suffering from acute piles.



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RufusT-Firefly,

02/04/2009 23:10:36
Good for Angela Merkel.

The change may be for the better.

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Observer,,

Glasgow 02/04/2009 23:10:39
Financial regulation: ''extend regulation and oversight to all systematically important financial institutions instruments and markets'' including for the first time hedge funds.

Further financial regulation means that '' there would now be an international norm which will define the capital base of banks''.

All things that GB has essentially argued against previously.
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Observer,,

Glasgow 02/04/2009 23:11:31
409 I'll take you at face value and agree with you completely.
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RufusT-Firefly,

02/04/2009 23:11:32
Oh Dear, just when I was feeling tired, Lost Angeles appeared and sent me to sleep.

ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
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Observer,,

Glasgow 02/04/2009 23:16:47
Dominique Strauss Kahn head of the IMF warned that the most important issue in this crisis was the still disastrous state of many countries banking systems.

''You never recover before the cleaning up of the banking sector has been done''.

I had hoped he might add ''and you have shot the worst offenders'' but sadly not.

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Conan the Librarian™,

02/04/2009 23:18:20
396
Good Evening Rufus.

"Time flies like an arrow, Fruit flies like a banana."

Is that some sort of...um...paraphrase?



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RufusT-Firefly,

02/04/2009 23:23:12
Hi Conan.

I think that is the actual quote.

My personal favourite is ............

'Either he's dead or my watch has stopped'!

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RufusT-Firefly,

02/04/2009 23:24:08
Observer, what about the OECD report?

Nothing to say about that as it does not fit your agenda no doubt.
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Los Angeles,

02/04/2009 23:26:48
“Now there sits a man with an open mind. You can feel the draft from here.” is a famous Groucho Marx quote. Groucho Marx was American. (Rufus the Dufus)

No?! I'd never have guessed. All those late night Marx Brothers movies and they were in American accents. Wow! Maybe I should turn the volume up. I thought they were silent.

Well, Groucho spoke the line but he didn't originate it. But what would you know? SJ Perlman wrote it,and many another for the Marx Brothers.

When you say it's a "famous Groucho quotation" do you mean as in, a "Famous Grouse"?

It's a line of dialogue spoken by Groucho, a quotation from a one of his films.

But here's the odd thing - you're mind is closed as tight as a newts butt.


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Observer,,

Glasgow 02/04/2009 23:26:51
416 You don't have a clue what my agenda is.

My favourite Groucho quote is that if a black cat crosses your path that signifies that it is going somewhere.
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RufusT-Firefly,

02/04/2009 23:29:04
418

:-)
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RufusT-Firefly,

02/04/2009 23:30:24
Los Angeles may look like an idiot and talk like an idiot but don't let that fool you. He really is an idiot.

Groucho Marx
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Conan the Librarian™,

02/04/2009 23:36:33
Good night folks, I've had a wonderful evening.But this wasn't it.
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Los Angeles,

02/04/2009 23:43:23
May look like an idiot. (Rufus the Dufus)

It loses a lot when referring to someone readers can't see, you idiot. Try Braille next time.

SAnyhow, it's always a joy to rattle your soiled cage, Pyscho Sam.

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RufusT-Firefly,

02/04/2009 23:48:21
422 Los Angeles,02/04/2009 23:43:23
It loses a lot when referring to someone readers can't see, you idiot. Try Braille next time.
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In your case Lost Angeles it loses nothing as you really are an idiot.

"Los Angeles may look like an idiot and talk like an idiot but don't let that fool you. He really is an idiot".

Groucho Marx


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RufusT-Firefly,

02/04/2009 23:49:15
421 Conan the Librarian™,02/04/2009 23:36:33
Good night folks, I've had a wonderful evening.But this wasn't it.
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HAHA
Good one Conan.
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Los Angeles,

02/04/2009 23:52:46
In your case (Rufus the Dufus)

You're an utter loser, Sam, and a dead beat. (Third rattle tonight of your acrid wee cage.)

LoL

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Los Angeles,

02/04/2009 23:55:38

"It's a famous Groucho quotation" (Dufus)

As opposed to an unknown one?

LoL


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RufusT-Firefly,

02/04/2009 23:56:43
"Los Angeles may look like an idiot and talk like an idiot but don't let that fool you. He really is an idiot".

Groucho Marx

LoL
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RufusT-Firefly,

02/04/2009 23:58:24
Either Los Angeles is dead or my watch has stopped.
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RufusT-Firefly,

02/04/2009 23:58:37
LoL
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Los Angeles,

03/04/2009 00:05:46
Either Los Angeles (Rufus the Dufus)

I know, I know. The world is falling apart at the seams but you gotta do a man's job and stick the knife into Salmond. That's the important thing. It's a compulsion.

As I said, a class loser.

The world is passing you by, Sam.


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Los Angeles,

03/04/2009 00:06:59

Fifth rattle of your cage and you still bite at the bars. LoL.


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RufusT-Firefly,

03/04/2009 00:09:21
431

LoL

This is great. No posting necessary.

LoL
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RufusT-Firefly,

03/04/2009 00:09:46
Lost Angeles.


LoL
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RufusT-Firefly,

03/04/2009 00:10:49
http://www.hawkingthescene.com/.a/6a00e553adf4d5883401053639c6e9970c-800wi
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Los Angeles,

03/04/2009 00:23:03

Good to see your hurting.

Let's go for the five am burn again.

You know the one, where you post links to your plug ugly physog and get more and more rattled and incoherent as the night wears on, and I respond in split seconds, almost before your head hits the keyboard.

Or do you prefer to turn tail and post drivel on a new thread, Mr cellophane?

Sam the all-time loser.

LoL




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Los Angeles,

03/04/2009 00:25:59
No posting necessary. (Dufus)

Is that so? And what this below you posted?

http://www.hawkingthescene.com/.a/6a00e553adf4d5883401053639c6e9970c-800wi.

Oh, what a hypocrit.

LoL
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Los Angeles,

03/04/2009 00:44:46

By the way, Sam, I never follow up on links or urls. I leave inert Internet reality to losers such as you. Your snake trails are wasted on me, your hypocrite. LoL.







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Hamish MacBeth,

03/04/2009 08:25:32
Once again Mr salmond has completely fooled the Unionists. By donating his pay, he clearly shows he is light years ahead of the corrupt sc@mbags who are in opposition.

 

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