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Published Date: 20 January 2008
GORDON Brown put sorting out the loose ends of constitutional reform as one of the objectives of the Government, and boldly so.
Dabbling in constitutional matters is rarely popular and public interest is disappointingly low. But these difficult and complex matters need to be addressed.

The Prime Minister is soon to publish a Bill on constitutional reform which, among other
things, will consider the future of the House of Lords, whether parliament should take the decision to go to war, and even the issue of flag-flying. I hope to add my own contribution on the future structure of the Union.

There appear to be three constitutional options for the UK. The first, an integrated British unitary state, is no longer a realistic choice. The second, independence for the four parts of the Union, would be a damaging solution, and is anyway opposed by an overwhelming majority in each of the four countries. Breaking the most successful Union in history, both in political and economical terms, would have disastrous consequences for each part. The only other stable solution, drawing from existing structures of government around the world, is some form of federalism.

Federations across the world are some of the most stable and sustainable structures of governance. They facilitate stability in large countries with major regional divergence. Many, such as India and Malaysia, consist of states with individually unique histories and culture. Indeed, federalism may be a good solution for some African countries, whose borders where drawn artificially during the colonial era and now face problems due to their ethnic composition; the Democratic Republic of Congo is currently considering such a structure, and it might be a solution for Kenya too.

The four countries of the UK have more in common with each other – culturally, historically, geographically and in many other ways – than many federations around the world. Adopting such a political structure, carefully crafted and adapted to our specific needs and heritage, should be the direction we drive toward, in order to achieve a stable, just and sensible solution to the constitutional question. We are already moving step by step towards that structure.

So how would it work? There would still be a UK Parliament at which Scots, English and Welsh MPs would meet and decide on matters such as the economy, foreign affairs, defence and social security. But legislative powers could be devolved to some kind of English forum in the same areas as they currently are to Scotland. That could either be a new English Parliament or an English Grand Committee of the House of Commons.

Federalism in the UK is usually dismissed because England's size would make it a somewhat asymmetrical federation. However, almost all other successful federations around the world are asymmetrical. Nearly 60% of Australians live in two of the country's eight states and territories, and in economic terms these two states are even more dominant. In Canada, the prominence of Ontario and Quebec over the other 11 provinces and territories is even more striking. The states of São Paulo and Rio de Janeiro are together responsible for nearly half the GDP of the 26-states-strong Brazilian federation. Even Switzerland, with 26 tiny cantons, has some substantially more powerful than others.

Another factor which would help would be a reconsideration of English regional assemblies. I am not suggesting that legislative powers similar to Scotland can be handed to them, but a form of administrative devolution – as was initially the case in Wales – would be a start. Despite the failure of the 2004 referendum in the north east, it may well be that the success of devolution in Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland has changed English minds.

More generally speaking, the case for localism is on the rise. Consumption of local food produce is in vogue; localism in architecture, art and design is trendy; even localised electricity generation, we are told, is more efficient and less wasteful. Devolved administrations thus achieve improved efficiency both politically and in management terms, and reflect nuanced regional differences more accurately.

Devolution is being misrepresented by separatists as a hybrid, interim solution. The fact is devolution is a comprehensive and coherent philosophy which argues some policy areas are better decided and scrutinised regionally rather than nationally. Some form of federalism is a more sensible, stable and proper solution.

George Foulkes is a Labour Lothians list MSP and also sits in the House of Lords



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  • Last Updated: 19 January 2008 10:56 PM
  • Source: Scotland On Sunday
  • Location: Scotland
  • Related Topics: Scottish Labour Party
 
1

Toque,

Brighton 20/01/2008 01:18:18
Back in 1981 George Foulkes said that "Thatcher has no mandate in Scotland".

Quite so. Due to devolution and electoral cowardice Gordon Brown has even less mandate in England.
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20/01/2008 02:04:50
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Conan the Librarian™,

20/01/2008 13:12:22
3
I am resisting the temptation to use the F-word and the
antonym of on.
4

Denis,

20/01/2008 13:38:00
If the English have changed their minds about regional assemblies, the change has been towards even stronger opposition. So he can forget that idea.
5

Enigma,

20/01/2008 14:25:05
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`If the English have changed their minds about regional assemblies`. No, we never wanted them and where never in fact asked what we did want. RAs were a figment of NL and Lib-Dem imagination. A bureacratic and political fig-leaf in order to cover up there true purpose which was to get rid of England as a national entity. Charles Kennedy gave the game away at 1997 Scottish Lib-Dem Conference, `with the advent of English regional assemblies we can start to call into question the existence of England itself`.

Blair and the rest of the unholy alliance knew what the result would be if the English were given the same choice as Scotland, and they didn`t like it!
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Neil,

Glasgow 20/01/2008 15:15:01
My preference would be that the English decide to be not one state but several in the Federation of Gret Britain. Units of more equal size would be more stable & more able to learn from each others successes (& failures). However it is not our choice - the English have the right to make that decision for themselves & it looks unlikely they will currently want to divide.

However any constituional settlement should include a method whereby parts of England & possibly Scotland, who want to be separate units could do so.
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padav,

NW.England 20/01/2008 15:31:06
by falsely concluding that the English en-masse want an English Parliament is a mischievous representation of current public opinion south of the border.

The referendum for an elected North-East England Assembly failed for a complex array of reasons but a major factor was the paucity of powers slated for the embryonic Assembly - the fact that it was an Assembly rather than a Parliament lacking primary legislative powers gives the game away?

England simply does not represent a homogeneous entity and it is too big to sit comfortably with its near neighbours in any harmonious federally constructed constitutional framework.

An English Parliament replacing the current UK version will merely perpetuate (for the English Peripheries) the same malign influence found within the inherently centralised nature of UK governance - swapping the name over the door from UK to England will not address this fundamental flaw. For example anyone claiming that a future English Parliament will be located anywhere other than in London is deluding themselves and deliberately misleading his/her potential audience.

Put simply, those living in the English peripheries need an English Parliament like a hole in the head!
8

Joe M.,

Edinburgh 20/01/2008 15:55:59
Time to use the F-word to decide the future of Britain

Aye, f*cked!
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Ian Campbell,

W Horsley & Tiree 20/01/2008 17:09:13
At least George Foulkes is beginning to recognise something that the Unionist parties refuse to contemplate: whether the UK continues either as a Union or as a federation or whether it breaks up into its constituent nations is a matter for the people, not for the politicians. Whatever form of government we have,in the 21st century it must rest on the consent of the people.
The SNP has always recognised that independence is a matter for the people of Scotland to decide and would accept their decision. Most of those who signed the Claim of Right for Scotland, however, only pay lip service to the concept of the sovereignty of the people. It is something that needs to be accepted by all.
Devolution has been a success and is a success whether it strengthens the Union or facilitates an amicable separation but it is incomplete. The people of England have never been asked whether they wish to have their own domestic parliament and none of the Unionist parties will offer them a referendum. Unionists prefer to tie themselves into undemocratic knots trying to explain why democracy and popular sovereignty stops at the borders. They will only offer the people of England what they do do not, division into regions each with a watered down elected assembly. Even though this proposal was most emphatically scuppered in the North East of England in 2004 the government has set about rebuilding the regions with the transfer of powers to development agencies and the appointment ministers to represent the government in each region.
If Gordon Brown were English he would be Cromwell - dividing the country into regions, each under the control of a Major-General. If he were French, he would be William the Conquerer, rewarding his trusties with positions of power and staking English provinces down with stratigically sited impregnable castles. What he will not do is to allow the people of England to decide what they want. Gordon Brown does not believe in democracy in England.
As effective
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Enigma,

20/01/2008 17:12:28
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An ICM poll carried out last year show that 67% of English people support an EP, despite zero media mention and dismissal by the political establishment.

There is no band wagon of support for English regional assemblies and if supporters of such a solution had real faith in the democratic legitimacy of their cause, why are they so afraid of giving the English a choice: status-quo, RAs or a devolved English Parliament. Perhaps they suspect what the answer would be. Far easier to try and shut down the debate.

RAs will `merely perpetuate` ( for all of England)`the same malign influence` of so called `assymetric devolution`.
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Ian Campbell,

W Horsley & Tiree 20/01/2008 17:19:51
Where do you get your info from padav 15.31?? All the polls since 2006 including one for Newsnight (the Beeb is no supporter of an English Parliament) report over 60% support in England for some form of English assembly.
No-one, not even the supporters of English regionalisation, propose giving regional assemblies real powers similar to the those of the Scottish Parliament. Bearing in mind the rising tide of resentment over the differences in NHS treatment between England, Scotland and Wales if you did give regional assemblies that sort of power the row over the 'post code lottery' would rise to a crescendo. Regionalism cannot give the people of England the fair, national treatment or represesntation that they want.
An English Parliament, elected under PR like the Scottish Parliament, would be far more responsive to the people who elect it, just as the Scottish Parliament is. You could still have regional assemblies under an English Parliament but as G Foulkes suggests they would be weaker units - and it would only be another reform of local government. Why not return powers to the counties instead?
Most people who support a distinct English Parliament would like to see it based in the North of England, York being a popular choice. If the choice is for the Tory 'Grand Committee' then regrettably that will remain at Westminister.
Why don't you campaign for an English Parliament based in the North of England and whatever reform of local government you think best?

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Ian Campbell,

W Horsley & Tiree 20/01/2008 17:23:45
This bit did not get in my first post:
As effectively First Minister for England, Mr Brown is elected by the people of Kirkcaldy & Cowdenbeath. His British Government was elected by just over 20% of the British electorate. It secured fewer votes in England than the Conservatives. He can use MPs from Scotland and Wales to carry through the proposals of his minority government in England.
Failure to solve the 'English Question' threatens the success of devolution. Since 2006 reputable opinion polls have consistently reported support for an English Parliament at over 60%. Unionists ignore such inconvenient findings at their peril. If there is nothing in devolution for the English they may as well leave - and the break up of the UK would then become a messy business with bitter arguments over who takes what. All those who wish the British nations to remain together in some kind of co-operative union, even if only the SNP's 'social union', need to agree on a form of national devolution that may acceptable to the people of England and then allow the people a free choice in a referendum.
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morris,

edinburgh 20/01/2008 19:46:33
When George Foulkes embraces federalism (which was the policy of the LIB DEMS, and alien to Labour Party thinking), you can rest assured that he does so, recognising that this is the last chance saloon, for the retention of the UK.In Fact its OVER !ITS JUST NOT OFFICIAL YET!

If a federalist solution does not con the Scots,then like Devolution mk I it will at least delay the break up, and allow Westminster to get even more of the oil out before the Scots realise the newspapers,the radio and the television are all controlled by Westminster, and have been "filling" their heads with rubbish,while they collect the revenues.I use the word "filling"ill advisedly probably.

Slowly but surely it dawns on the Scottish people that they have been duped.
Some are a lot slower than others of course.
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Scotindy,

Los Angeles 10/02/2008 03:27:58
George the dinosaur, still trying to con us with this federalism, he wants us to stay the same way it has been for the last 300 years, a PART OF ENGLAND. Switzerland, India Australia Germany are still who they are despite how many regions they have!!!! SCOTTISH INDEPENDENCE is the only TRUTHFUL ANSWER.
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Joe M.,

Edinburgh 14/02/2008 15:20:11
An English Parliament is a waste of time. What is required is for the union to be broken. Once Scotland, Wales and Cornwall (and NI) leave then an English parliament will be left by default.

 

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