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Published Date: 24 November 2008
Instead of having a go at the racist element among Rangers supporters for singing about Celtic supporters going home to Ireland now that the potato famine in Ireland is over (Sport, 21 November), Celtic chairman John Reid should have more properly quietly tittered at their ignorance, because there was no famine in Ireland; it was a holocaust.
There was indeed a potato blight between 1845 and 1848, but there were potato blights in the US and all over Europe at that time, but only in Ireland did people die of starvation. The Irish did not starve from lack of potatoes; they starved for the lack of "food".

There were more than 70 British food removal regiments based all over Ireland, while British excise steamers, coastguards and warships sailed close to Irish ports to ensure that food was safely exported.

British soldiers forcibly removed food from its starving Limerick, Clare, Kerry and Galway producers. They seized from Ireland's producers tens of millions of head of livestock and tens of millions of tonnes of flour, grains, meat, poultry and dairy products – enough to sustain 18 million persons.

Not only were the Irish starved of food then, they are starved of their history today.

WILLIAM BURNS
Pennywell Road
Edinburgh




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  • Last Updated: 24 November 2008 2:08 PM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
 
1

Wee Pal Joe,

24/11/2008 01:31:37
Can't say I like the so-called "famine song" (and it should be noted that all the Rangers support sings is one question) but it is not "racist" since it is directed, not at the famine itself nor at Scots of Irish descent as such, but at mocking Celtic fans and their maudlin songs - and Celtic fans are not a race.

Incidentally, recent research indicates that relatively few Irish people emigrated to Scotland because of the famine.
2

Mr. Lachie Todd,

Edinburgh 24/11/2008 10:27:37
Two wrongs don't make a right?
Live and let live?
An eye for an eye?

"In this grey, grim city, the sectarian bigots from the inappropriately named 'Old Firm', hang on for grim death to all that is dear to them, otherwise, in all probability, in they would have very little to live for!" Hatred is their comfort blanket! (Source: Washington Post)





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24/11/2008 10:52:49
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Amanda Huginkiss,

24/11/2008 11:21:46
The British government sent six times as much food to Ireland than they received from Ireland. There was no welfare state and no mountains of food in reserve to call on. Irish landlords pleaded with their tenants to allow agricultural reforms that had been accomplished in Britain, but were refused. The tenants jealously guarded their tiny plots of land and their cabins. When their only crop was devastated by the blight they starved. But theblames lies squarely with the Irish.
Not the first time that WM Burns rewrites history.
5

stocky,

24/11/2008 13:38:32
no 6

not only do they not consider themselves Scottish in any way but British, 100% .The very thing that the 'Irish movement' seems to be against.!!Explain that .
If Britain is so good why are they not campaining for Ireland to rejoin the Union.
Or if independence is so good for Ireland, Why is it so bad for Scotland.

They have no vision or indepentant thought. Just dont change anything seems to be their motto.

6

Miss H,

24/11/2008 15:01:36
That's interesting.

I posted all the words to the Famine Song and they have been removed.

I think if they had stayed up it would have exposed posters like 5 for what they actually are.

You can google them however - just google Famine Song lyrics and judge for yourselves if they are not racist and not aimed at Scots of Irish descent 'as such'.



7

Miss H,

24/11/2008 15:02:01
4 So pathetic.
8

Mr. Lachie Todd,

Edinburgh 24/11/2008 16:11:34
In histories written by TC Smout(English), T.M. Devine(Scottish) and various American and Australian historians, including Charles Fanning, the general view is that the descendants of the Irish Protestants and Catholics have successfully integrated into English and Welsh society where they are now part of the Establishment.

However, for historical, geographical, and social reasons the Irish Protestants and Catholics perceived a real or imagined threat towards each others future,
and have failed to become assimilated into the Scottish mainstream?

Many historians also controversially claim that, along with their Catholic countrymen, and contrary to popular belief, the descendants of the Irish Protestants have also withdrawn into their own lagger, and both sects live off each others, real or imagined fears, on the fringe of acceptable Scottish society!
9

Wee Pal Joe,

24/11/2008 18:52:03
#8: Like I said, all the Rangers support sings is one question. So your supposed "all the words" is an irrelevance, just something some nutter added on and put on the internet at a later date.
10

Billy1690,

24/11/2008 19:54:07
#5, ideewcairnsfixe,writes 'they ["the celtic minded"] pretend they do not know that the vast majority of Scots who were placed in Ireland in the Plantation were forcibly exiled'

They pretend no such thing. Try having a concersation with them about this period. For the most part, they genuinely know nothing of that dimension: that an element of opponents of James VI's policy of "Nae bishops, nae King" were planted to Ulster to dilute Catholic opposition to the Crown there and presbyterian opposition to the king's ecclesiastical policy here. But even I do not pretend that the jacobean plantation had a "vast majority" of that persuasion. Having no land in Ayrshire/Galloway and promises of prime land in Ulster -allied to religious disagreements with the king in many cases- were quite an inducement.

 

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