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Published Date: 06 February 2008
It was uplifting to read the joint letter from the STUC and the business groups backing the Lewis wind farm proposal (Letters, 3 February). By contrast I was downhearted when I read the interview with Green MSP Patrick Harvie (your report, 1 February), who was unable to say whether he backed the Lewis project.
Mr Harvie seemed to be saying big business was imposing big solutions on people who were neither engaged nor sufficiently empowered to propose their own energy solutions, which, he suggested, should be decentralised.

However, people already have
a degree of empowerment through the planning process. A whole swathe of anti-wind farm organisations together with the ramblers, the RSPB, the John Muir Trust, Scottish Natural Heritage and sundry others have engaged quite energetically and sometimes effectively to block or stymie dozens of renewables projects in Scotland.

Nor does Mr Harvie mention that as a result of the consultation process Lewis Wind Power has modified its proposal to accommodate some local and conservation concerns or that the Western Isles Council voted in favour of the proposal by 18 votes to eight.

Unfortunately, we cannot always pick our battleground or allies and LWP is all about fulfilling society's pressing need for green electricity on a large (ie gigawatt) scale in the here and now rather than in the distant future.

If Mr Harvie is reflecting Green Party policies, then the Greens have taken their forces out of this particular battle for a sustainable future to pursue Schumackian illusions.

MIKE MARTIN

Broadfold Drive

Bridge of Don, Aberdeenshire




I read with interest that the Green MSPs are in the top 50 most powerful people in Scotland (your report, 4 February). To what end have Patrick Harvie and Robin Harper used this unprecedented green power? I remember they emerged waving a piece of paper at the end of their talks with the SNP that lasted just a couple of hours after the election results in May.

They say they have successfully lobbied for a £4 million climate change fund. That would sound impressive were it not for the fact that the price for this concession is their support for a budget that authorises £500 million on the M74 extension and probably another half a billion on the Aberdeen western peripheral route. Not to mention a planning framework that includes big extensions at two airports. Obviously green power works in mysterious ways these days.

ROSS CHMIEL

Annandale Street

Edinburgh




There is a fundamental issue of social justice which the green debate largely ignores. Just as the richest countries have – in proportion to their population – the biggest global impact in terms of carbon emissions, other pollution and resource depletion, so it is the wealthy within Britain who have the biggest impact. It is a function of their lifestyles, consumption and travel.

Yet the costs of going green will disproportionately affect the relatively poor – the fuel "tax" to pay for higher-cost renewable energy; increased food bills as the push for bio-diesel takes land away from grain production; and most proposed and actual green taxes and levies, eg on flights. The rich cannot lead green lives (in any meaningful and absolute sense) while those in poverty have little planetary impact regardless of whether or not they consciously lead eco-friendly lives. Truly it is the rich who cause the damage and the poor who pay the price.

R J RITCHIE

Cecil Street

Stirling






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  • Last Updated: 05 February 2008 7:58 PM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
 
1

Sierra Foothills Scot,

Diamond Springs 06/02/2008 03:40:20
"If Mr Harvie is reflecting Green Party policies, then the Greens have taken their forces out of this particular battle for a sustainable future to pursue Schumackian illusions."

Mr Martin hits the nail on the head. The Greens live in a parallel universe. And as Mr Ritchie points out, it is the poor who suffer.
2

Richard Havers,

The Borders 06/02/2008 07:13:53
All this continuing talk about Lewis is acting as a smokescreen for wind farm development elsewhere. On Edinburgh's doorstep in the Lammermuir Hills there's the Fallgo Ridge wind farm about which a public enquiry started yesterday in Duns. You'll probably be staggered to know that if it's approved there will be 236 turbines in the Lammermuirs, 15% of Scotland's total.

For more check here

http://thebordersparty.blogspot.com/2008/02/desecration-of-lammermuir-hills.html
3

Mikey,

06/02/2008 08:17:50
Why not just fund cells on every roof, along with a mini windmill? The power generated could be stored in capacitors and any extra sold to the grid? When the sun/wind is non existant, the house draws from the grid!

Or am I being too simplistic?
4

StuartAD,

West Lothian 06/02/2008 08:56:04
The question still remains: Who will provide for the Western Isles when the lights go out?
5

n/,

Perth 06/02/2008 09:53:40
#3Turbines in the centre of(not just in the vicinity of) Edinburgh? Yup right on Dave.
I second that. I will leave you to put the idea yet again to that bleedin nimby Fred bloggs?
6

n/,

Perth 06/02/2008 09:58:19
#4 Yup Mickey you most certainly are."being too simplistic"! Go read the Revenge of Gaia by James Lovelock. All the facts and figures on both,"cells and mini windmills" as you call them are in there.
7

Isonomia,

Lenzie 06/02/2008 10:02:06
The Scottish Greens never showed the slightest interest in even discussing the need to create an indigenous wind industry that would ensure that ordinary Scots receives some of the benefits of jobs as well as incurring the cost of higher electricity bills.

For years they blocked any move to discuss this issue in the Scottish Parliament renewable energy group, and now the chickens are coming home to roost as more and more people realise that wind is a con - we all pay huge amounts of money to make rich landowners even richer and every pound we do pay is used to export jobs from those working in Scottish power plant to Foreign windmill manufacturers.

And if like Lewis you rely on tourism, then your income will be decimated by a wind industrial estate.

The Greens have signed themselves up to the very thing they hate most - blatant money-grabbing short-term capalism with no interest in Scotland except to plunder our resources whilst sipping G&T at their London clubs.
8

Upbeat,

06/02/2008 10:05:50
Maybe Mr Ritchie ( above) should reflect that while rich people may have a bigger carbon footprint from their lifestyles, it is usually them that have created the wealth that trickles down through society to the poorest. There have always, and will always, be rich people. They themselves are not wholly to blame for what goes wrong in society.

It is unlikely that many rich people live in sub standard housing, lacking insulation and modern efficient heating systems. It is unlikely that they ride around in old technology cars etc. It is widely recognised that it is the lack of modern standards of insulation and heating that leads to the biggest waste of energy in the western world. While elderly cars -by definition - always pollute more than new ones. In this aspect of going 'green' it is probable that the rich are always better equipped.
9

Seabhag,

Edinburgh 06/02/2008 10:30:00
Ah, Ross Chmiel - failed Lib Dem candidate! I am sure, Ross, when it comes to making green-sounding promises and then doing the exact opposite, you will agree that your party is miles ahead of anyone else.
10

Neil,

Glasgow 06/02/2008 11:18:55
Somewhat cowardly of the Greens to disappear from the fray over the Lewis deal. Having pushed this particular brand of Ludditism for decades pressuring the other parties into giving £1 billion of our money each year to subsidise it they are now nowhere to be found.

The other parties should bear this in mind & note that paying Greenmail is not in the long term a feasible option since they will always demand more of our money but will never provide support when the brickbats fly.

 

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