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Published Date: 17 February 2009
AN INQUIRY into how two nuclear submarines, one British and one French, crashed into each other in the Atlantic Ocean was demanded by MPs last night.
The vessels, the Faslane-based HMS Vanguard and Le Triomphant, both believed to be carrying nuclear missiles, collided two weeks ago. Intelligence experts said that the crews might have been playing a game of cat and mouse when the incident happened.

The Ministry of Defence admitted the collision only yesterday, after it was confirmed by French officials, prompting one politician to accuse it of a "hush-hush attitude". The submarines – each nearly 500ft long – were both damaged in the underwater incident, thought to have happened on the night of 3-4 February.

Mike Critchley, a former Royal Navy officer and the publisher of Warship World magazine, said the collision in the Atlantic was a "one-in-a-million chance".

Mr Critchley also suggested that budget cuts might have left some Navy officers without enough practical experience.

He said: "The training is extensive, but whether the people who are in command of these major assets have considerable experience at sea is questionable, because the Navy has been seriously cut back in recent years.

"So the progression from a junior officer to a senior officer includes far more shore time than sea time. That is why, I would suggest, some accidents have happened in the past."

Disarmament campaigners described the incident – in the Atlantic's 41 million square miles – as a "nuclear nightmare of the highest order", which could have released "vast amounts of radiation".

Angus Robertson, the SNP's defence spokesman, said: "The MoD's hush-hush attitude appears to conflict with the French position.

"The MoD needs to explain how it is possible for a submarine carrying weapons of mass destruction to collide with another submarine carrying weapons of mass destruction in the middle of the world's second-largest ocean."

Nick Harvey, the Liberal Democrats' defence spokesman, called for an immediate internal inquiry, with "some" publication of its conclusions, in order to reassure the public. He said: "The people of Britain, France and the rest of the world need to be reassured that this can never happen again and that lessons are being learned."

The submarines may have been trying to track each other undetected – an activity that has continued since the Cold War, according to Bob Ayres, a former CIA and US army officer.

When such submarines came across similar vessels from other navies, they sought to get as close as possible without being detected, as part of routine training.

"They were playing games with each other – stalking each other under the sea," Mr Ayres said. "They were practising being able to kill the other guy's submarine before he could launch a missile."

He said several nuclear-armed United States and Soviet submarines had collided during the Cold War, but most of these incidents remained unreported.

Mr Ayres, a former associate fellow at Chatham House, the Royal Institute of International Affairs, said the submarines were not undetectable, despite their "stealth" technology.

Because of the sound of their nuclear reactors' water pumps, they were still noisier than old diesel-electric craft, which ran on batteries while submerged

He said the greatest danger in a collision was the hull being punctured and the vessel sinking, rather than a nuclear explosion.

But the Campaign for Nuclear Disarmament said it was the most severe incident involving a nuclear submarine since the sinking of Russia's Kursk in 2000. Kate Hudson, chairwoman, said: "This is a nuclear nightmare of the highest order.

"The collision of two submarines, both with nuclear reactors and nuclear weapons on board, could have released vast amounts of radiation and scattered scores of nuclear warheads across the seabed."

The French navy admitted on 6 February that Le Triomphant had hit "an immersed object, probably a container" while returning from patrol to its base near Brest in Brittany.

Yesterday, it confirmed the incident had involved another submarine, but said "the collision did not result in injuries among the crew and did not jeopardise nuclear security at any moment".

Despite this, the MoD initially declined to confirm the collision. But hours later, Admiral Sir Jonathon Band, the First Sea Lord, admitted: "Two submerged SSBN (Ship Submersible Ballistic Nuclear], one French and the other UK, were conducting routine national patrols in the Atlantic Ocean.

"Recently, the two submarines came into contact at very low speed. Both remained safe and no injuries occurred.

"We can confirm the capability remained unaffected and there has been no compromise to nuclear safety. HMS Vanguard returned safely to Faslane under her own power on 14 February."

The French submarine suffered damage to its sonar dome, suggesting that the Vanguard, which was dented and scraped, passed above it.

John Large, a nuclear consultant, said submarines tried to minimise the risk of being detected by switching off as much equipment as possible, such as sonar, which is used to track submerged objects, and relying instead on microphones He said: "They turn off everything they can and are covered in rubber tiles to absorb noise, but the one penalty is 'if they can't hear you, you can't hear them'."

He said the submarines' size meant even a low-speed collision would be a "big bump".

Mr Large said the risks caused by this included a fire on board which could lead to explosions and a radiation leak. "Each warhead has about 66-110lb (30-50kg] of high explosive around it," he said.

Lee Willett, of the Royal United Services Institute for Defence and Security Studies, in London, said the "freak occurrence" was in part due to the submarines' stealthy design.

"They are meant to be like holes in the water. It's not surprising that they couldn't hear each other."



CND dossier details toll of accidents

THE Scottish Campaign for Nuclear Disarmament has compiled a log of incidents involving Britain's nuclear submarines.

• JANUARY 1973: The Polaris-armed submarines HMS Revenge and HMS Repulse collided while manoeuvring at Faslane. The hydroplanes of Repulse were damaged.

• MAY 2000: Radiation leak on HMS Tireless in the Mediterranean. This resulted in a reactor repair in Gibraltar, which took a year.

• NOVEMBER 2000: HMS Victorious ran aground on Skelmorlie bank in the Clyde estuary.

• NOVEMBER 2002: HMS Trafalgar ran aground on Fladda-Chuain, north of Skye.

• MAY 2003: Tireless hit an iceberg while 200ft below the surface.

• MARCH 2007: Fatal explosion in Tireless under the Arctic icepack. Currently the subject of an inquest.



IN NUMBERS

TOTAL subs per country (conventionally armed unless otherwise stated):

1 Bulgaria, Croatia, Portugal, Ukraine
2 Algeria, Equador, Indonesia, Malaysia, South Africa, Venezuela
3 Argentina, Israel
4 Brazil, Canada, Chile, Colombia, Egypt, Netherlands, Singapore, Taiwan, Spain
5 Poland, Sweden
6 Australia, Norway, Peru
9 Greece
10 France (4 nuke, 6 conventional), Germany, Italy
13 UK (4 nuke, 9 conv), South Korea
14 Turkey
15 Pakistan
16 India
18 Japan
24 Iran
52 North Korea
70 USA (14 nuke, 56 conv)
90 China (5 nuke, 85 conv)
98 Russia (28 nuke, 70 conv)



PROFILE: HMS VANGUARD

Entered service: 1993
Based: Faslane
Displacement: 15,980 tons submerged
Length: 492ft (150 metres)
Top speed: 25 knots (29mph)
Maximum depth: c. 1,500ft
Crew: 135
Nuclear missiles: 16
Missile range: 7,500 miles



PROFILE: LE TRIOMPHANT

Entered service: 1997
Based: L'Ile Longue, near Brest
Displacement: 14,335 tons submerged
Length: 453ft (138 metres)
Top speed: 25 knots (29mph)
Maximum depth: 1,640ft
Crew: 111
Nuclear missiles: 16
Missile range: 3,750 miles

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17/02/2009 00:19:22
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Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 17/02/2009 00:46:45


Do and never Do!, expect any answers, you would be foolish to do so!
And why on earth do you want an "Answer"?
It is none of our Business!, is it!?
We are one, and they the other!,"'hushed-up'" you better believe it!
We have, NO OR ANY RIGHT, to any Answer, regarding the Military, if you think otherwise, you need a reality check!

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Scotindy,

Los Angeles 17/02/2009 02:08:21
And the english government wish to upgrade the Trident Sub. Upgrade to what, so that someone can DRIVE IT!!!!!!!!!!!
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tomi,

17/02/2009 05:17:54
Perhaps the submarines were a little confused and were trying to mate.

(well, it would be cheaper than building them if we could breed them!)
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Vaward,

17/02/2009 05:21:12
This is a testament to how good these submarines really are. These days they have a type of cloaking device - a kind of harmonic distortion device that reduces what little vibrations that might be detectable. Fact of the matter is that these SSBN platforms are so quiet that they actually appear as black holes in the water. In fact the best way to find them is to look for where there is no noise. So it's not surprising that they didn't notice each other.

What is surprising is that they managed to bump into each other in all that ocean.

Thank God no one was hurt.
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Vaward,

17/02/2009 05:26:29
BTW

13 UK (4 nuke, 9 conv) is incorrect. The UK only has nuclear submarines.

Four Vanguard-class nuclear powered and armed ballistic submarines (SSBNs).

Seven Trafalgar-class nuclear powered attack submarines (SSNs).

One Swiftsure-class nuclear powered attack submarine (SSNs).
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Vaward,

17/02/2009 05:42:39
^^^

Ignore above comment. Didn't see the conventionally armed preface. Doh!
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donald,

glasgow 17/02/2009 07:34:06
Remember what happened to the Bikini Islanders, whose name only lives on as a bathing suit.

Plenty of excuses for not missing each other in the whole Atlantic Ocean, eh? Safe as houses the Bank of England.
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Number 6,

Germany 17/02/2009 07:43:28
Is there a single person here who can put forward a rational argument for nuclear power in Scotland?

Does any one think we actually need nuclear power in Scotland...... Anyone ?
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The Glasgow Ranger,

Edinburgh. 17/02/2009 07:55:02
Maybe they were behaving like off-duty firefighters but instaed of playing badminton or snooker they were too engrossed in playing cards,backgammon,chess etc?
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 sm753,

17/02/2009 07:56:10
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"Is there a single person here who can put forward a rational argument for nuclear power in Scotland?"

What does nuclear "power" have to do with a story about submarines?

But the answer to your question is that Scotland does not need any new large power stations (nuclear or otherwise) until after Hunterston and Cockenzie close in 2015-16.

Then it will depend on how well - or not - the renewables programmes have delivered.
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OLD GIN,

METHIL LEVEN 17/02/2009 08:18:21
THE CAPTAIN SHOULD BE TAKEN DOWN A RANK OR DISSMISED FOR GROSS CARELESS NESS,.
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Andy Mac,

17/02/2009 08:21:24
Scotland has the highest poverty in Western Europe yet billions is pumped from the North Sea to pay for London vanity projects and yes, multi-billion pound nuclear toys.

The incident was a "1 in a million" chance? Like the kind that happen every week when someone wins the lottery?
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Longdirk Maceth,

NZ 17/02/2009 08:25:28
Thats not all mate check out how much was poured into building the New Wembley.

http://www.propertycommunity.com/property-in-the-uk/110-is-new-wembley-the-great-hope-for-the-future-or-a-great-white-elephant.html
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nabodican,

Rural Scotland 17/02/2009 08:36:11
#10 Not that nuclear power has anything to do with a minor bump with two submarines, not to mention the official secrets act, it is very clear that you have not been reading the posts recently. There are many people posting reasonable arguments for nuclear power generation. The simplest being that if you take away Torness & Hunterston our lights will go out unless England has enough spare capacity at that time. Should that happen during the winter when the National Grid has already issued warnings of a power shortage in the uk then the lights go out for sure.
#14 - the only "di**head" seems to be yourself.
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Scotsbloke,

Edinburgh 17/02/2009 08:36:14
What is the big deal - 2 subs bumped into each other and then nothing happened.

Love the bit about CND's dossier details - some realy juicy stuff in there.

They must have a top team of double agents to get this information.

Wow
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greenhill,

17/02/2009 08:41:45
RE Number 6,Germany 17/02/2009 07:43:28

To conflate this story with the issue of Nuclear power is insane. Nuclear is the safest cleanest method of providing base load we have. You are a luddite fool.

Nuclear power has benefited the World by preventing vast amounts of radiation, C02 and numerable other nasties from polluting the atmosphere by conventional methods.

However lets us get back to reality and discuss the real issues surrounding this story.
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Queen D,

Glasgow 17/02/2009 08:52:07
Vast ocean ,incompetent drivers of ARMED nuclear subs and we are expected to take the MODs word for it that all is well, no harm done ,no threat to anything?????

Greenhill, the more you write the more I am convinced that you work for the nuclear lobby or are indeed, Gordon Browns brother or somebody who stands to make huge amounts of gelt in some deal.
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Alternative (High-Octane) Fuel Head,

Edinburgh 17/02/2009 08:55:01
What idiot made this public?

This kind of thing is not for general consumption for the obvious reasons that you see in this article.
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whateverthename,

Avignon 17/02/2009 09:03:49
so who hit who .....
just wondering for the insurance claim
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écossais at heart,

France 17/02/2009 09:12:45
#23
Crawl back under your Mediterranean doormat - your idiotic comments serve no purpose whatsoever.
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jj veritas,

17/02/2009 09:22:03
Captain claims global situation saying nobody saw it coming.
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Pomodora,

Gravesend 17/02/2009 09:33:02
#23..are your idiotic comments the measure of your intellect or are you still searing from the pounding that France recently levelled on the Scots..albeit rugby!
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Phil1,

Edinburgh 17/02/2009 09:49:49
Angus Robertson, the SNP's defence spokesman seems delighted because maybe if he and the nasty party have their own way there will be no submarines (without nuclear power to srive then they are useless).

So he must be rubbing his hands with glee - let's have an inquiry, let's ban nuclear weapons and nuclear power from Scotland but we demand we keep the Headquarters 2nd Division and HQ of the UK's nuclear industry in Scotland.
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Number 6,

Germany 17/02/2009 10:08:15
For all those unionistas foaming at the mouth, this story concerns 2 subs carrying nuclear weapons and reactors colliding. The fact that no leakage etc occured is simply our good luck.

it brings up the whole nuclear debate. Do we need nuclear power for such a small population? Of course not, and those who say we do have no idea what they are talking about.

Should WMD's be based in Scotland ? No, of course not. They are for war mongering behemoths like the US and Russia, who seem to get some sexual excitement from stroking their weaopons.

Bottom line, this accident could have been a disaster, disgusting but typical, that this goverment should try and cover it up.

Let's look forward to a clean energy future in Scotland and ban all talk of nuclear energy or weapons.
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Number 6,

Germany 17/02/2009 10:10:01
#29 Peter: Are you here all week ? lol !
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It's life but not as we know it,

The Oort Clouds 17/02/2009 10:12:16
Accidents like this will keep happening while stupid foreigners keep driving on the right side of the road; as we all know the right side to drive on is the left side. When will they ever learn?
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greenhill,

17/02/2009 10:18:54

"Number 6" is once again talking a load of number 2, with cheap infantile commentary linking nuclear submarines with nuclear power generation.The idea is to prey on fear and mass stupidity.

Nuclear has served us well in the past and is continuing to get better and better.If you do not like it then tough because the World will soon see a massive increase in power plants and there is nothing the despicable antis can do to prevent that.

You losers.
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ecosseman,

facts not propaganda 17/02/2009 10:20:43
TO DISMISS EVERYTHING THATS REPORTED AGAINST THIS ``LEASONS MUST BE LEARNT`` LABOUR GOVERMENT FROM THE LOONY LEFT,IS VERY SCAREY INDEED.

WAKE UP YOU FOOLS,YOU ARE A JOKE LOT WITH NO MORALS.

ROLL ON THE ELECTION!
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danbob,

17/02/2009 10:35:14
Can anyone answer this question? It's well known that because of the shape and design of a sub. i.e. having a pressure hull. When they sink they implode. Has any test ever been carried out on a sub reactor that is subject to the pressure implosion and being submerged in 20,000 feet of water?
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Captain Flint,

Edinburgh 17/02/2009 11:13:07
The good thing about submarines is that they're massively over-engineered. This collision, likely to have been a glancing blow with both boats going at about walking speed, was never going to put either the reactor or the missiles at any risk at all. I'm a supporter of CND, but they do appear to be over-egging this particular pudding.

Both of these boats have been built to be as quiet as possible - submariners are truly paranoid about noise shorts - and its entirely possible that they really didn't hear each other.

It is indeed long odds against two boats having a crash out in the middle of the Atlantic, but even extremely unlikely events are bound to happen eventually.

Captain Flint, ex-Polaris submariner.
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Observer,,

Glasgow 17/02/2009 11:28:19
39 I don't really think nuclear collisions are that trivial Vincent. I also don't think they are telling us the truth.
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Number 6,

Germany 17/02/2009 11:50:25
#39 Oh Vinny, we can always rely on you to support your heros new found love of nuclear power.

Your "nothing to see here ... move along" routine may work in your day centre , but not on the general population. You are and will always be, a unionista apologist.

Some of us are actually concerned about Scotland's future and want no truck with nuclear power in any guise.

Your classic self loathing negates that and leaves you with your current pathetic attitude. Very similar to the hand-wringing "greenhill" at No 34.
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JaE_in_Oz,

17/02/2009 12:14:16
There seems to be ignorance about the rule that one drives on the right at sea and in the air. I suspect that the Royal Navy are aware of this, they certainly were 40 years ago.
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Observer,,

Glasgow 17/02/2009 12:15:30
45 Nuclear submarines should not crash into each other. I don't think you need to be a submariner to know that. The chances of them both stoating about the same part of the second largest ocean in the world by co-incidence is so miniscule as to be ridiculous. They were obviously playing some kind of game. With nuclear submarines. That's not trivial, it's stupid. What kind of idiots are captaining these things ?
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Observer,,

Glasgow 17/02/2009 12:57:57
58 Are you maintaining Smee that these two submarines crashed into each other by accident ? When they were on a war footing ? Thank f@ck we weren't at war then eh ?

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Brideun,

Culloden 17/02/2009 13:00:24
If you think this accident is carelessness, check out what has happened to the Airbus 340-600 on Toulouse airport. That's real oops!
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Brideun,

Culloden 17/02/2009 13:11:46
61# This item has a news blackout, massive loss of face with the Arabs who were GROUND TESTING the aircraft.
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This is all top secrect you know
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Sgian Dubh,

17/02/2009 16:11:53
I served on one of the Polaris boats in the early eighties during the 'cold war'.
Every time we went to sea on our patrol, we went out as if we were at war. That was the whole point in having the boats in the first place. Compared with some of the stuff that happened when we were at sea this is positively PUBLIC DOMAIN!!
It is not difficult to strike an underwater object which is deliberately or naturally not making any noise. We once were 'caught' in the net of a fishing boat and consequently sank the fishing boat. That was hushed up with MOD saying it was a diesel/electric patrol boat that caught the net. On an other ocassion, while returning from a patrol, we were at 'action stations' shadowing a Russian nuclear boat in The Firth of Clyde!! That was hushed up for obvious reasons as well.
This was a minor incident with no chance of a missile incident and a very small chance of a minor reactor incident. That's why we are reading about it in the news.
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Sgian Dubh,

17/02/2009 16:15:01
I must add, the fishing boat was dragged under, we didn't torpedo it!! There were also no casualties. We only found out we had sunk the boat when we were contacted and had to surface 48hours later to check for damage to our casing and found scratch marks from the nets' cables and some handrail around our conning tower bent out of shape.
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Incandescent,

17/02/2009 16:37:45
#65 "conning tower"? Surely you mean "sail"?
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Sgian Dubh,

17/02/2009 16:58:17
No. Conning Tower. Americans call it 'Sail'. I was on the crew for nearly three years and we all called it the conning tower. Could we all have been wrong?
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Sgian Dubh,

17/02/2009 17:02:37
Also, in HMS Dolphin, on the submarine training course, it was called 'conning tower' by everyone there, both on the initial submarine training course then on the 'Polaris' course which was done after that course. I was a radio operator and volunteered for signalman and one of my duty stations was the conning tower. I had to paint the inside of it white during maintenance it Faslane. It was my place of 'special sea duty' when we were on the surface. I do know what I'm talking about.
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Zyskandar A Jaimot,

Orlando, Fl., USA 17/02/2009 17:12:25
'Boys playing with nuclear toys'!!!
The BRITT nookier(JIMMY'afraid-of-wabbits-i-am'CARTER pronounciation of 'NUCLEAR') sub VANGARD collided with the FRENCH nookier sub Le TRIOMPHANT in deep waters of the ATLANTIC this past week. This is little more than 'boys playing with nuclear toys' to paraphrase the line from the JAMES BOND flick 'GOLDENEYE'!!! NO MAJOR DAMAGE WAS REPORTED ALTHOUGH THE 'FROG' SUB NEEDED HELP TO RETURN TO ITS BASE.
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PointOf View,

Bonny Scotland 17/02/2009 20:43:01
10 number 6
Hi i can't give you a rational argument however i can give you a reason. England requires power particularly the south east. However nuclear is so low risk they want to build it as far away from them as possible. Lie-bour lies, lies ,lies. We simply don’t need it in Scotland.
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PointOf View,

Bonny Scotland 17/02/2009 20:46:04
70 Vincent-W

"fin"

Thought you were a Unionist trol mate.
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Alasdair mac Alasdair Mór Mac an Righ,,

17/02/2009 22:54:19
#58 smeeg 24/7

I see you have finally surfaced. I thought you and Rufus had abandoned ship.

Any comments on the current state of the HMS UK and how well your hero Commander Crash Gordon.
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livilion,

livingston 18/02/2009 11:48:12
2 Colin R,Bearsden
Tell that to the thousands of British forces personel used as nuclear guinea pigs at the Grapple tests.

A friend of my family recently lost his long term battle with ill health he said resulting from his RAF service at Bikini atol, decontaminating radioactive equipment with nothing more technical than a firehose and sweeping brush, wondering why the scientist wore full 'noddy suits' while they wore only shorts and short sleeve shirts.

There was no evidence of harm done because of telescopes being held to the blind eye, in the best of British Nelson tradition.
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livilion,

livingston 18/02/2009 11:49:19
74 Vincent-W,
I have a cousin who is half Fin, he is a conning little git.
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livilion,

livingston 18/02/2009 11:57:57
So this is how the Navy hush up stories these days, by slashing it all over the front page of the Scotsman?

Just because nobody buys the paper doesn't mean we won't read it on-line.

I remember the good old days when it took thirty to fifty years or more to discover UK nuclear accident details like at Windscale or Chapel Cross.

Ah, they just don't connive and cheat like they used to, or don't you wonder what the REAL story is, if this is what they are actually prepared to come out with?

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livilion,

livingston 18/02/2009 12:26:49
74 Vincent-W

Since WWII the navies of the world have done away with conning towers, submarines don't need them with technology as it now stands.

The sticky-up bit above the boat with the periscope and technical stuff your jolly jack tar calls the 'sail', the 'fin' or bowplane is the bit at the front that sticks out sideways, the yanks have them sticking out of the side of their fairwater/sail.
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Sgian Dubh,

18/02/2009 14:58:44
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The conning tower, fin, sail, call it what you like, is still a very important part of any modern submarine. It houses the top sections of periscopes, radar, radio and electronic warfare masts. Some of these items are not telescopic, especially periscopes, and therefore rely on the conning tower to house the top sections so they can accommodate as long a periscope as possible.
The terms 'sail' and 'fin' were mainly used by the Americans. American subs don't have bow-planes and their main planes are located on the 'fin'/'sail'. This was preferred by the US as a means of breaking through Arctic ice because the planes could be moved to a vertical position to assist breaking ice. The British Navy never adopted this position for the bow-planes and have always used the forward position of these planes, which, when the boat is underwater, are the main means of increasing/decreasing depth. The rear planes, adjacent to the rudder are used to 'trim' the boat by only a few feet at a time.
The bow-planes were huge and the bow-planesman controlled only these from his position in the control room, whereas the rudder and stern planes were both controlled by the helmsman.
Unlike Vincent, I could go on, because I used to love being on the boat at sea, whereas he just has some friends who have done it.
My mum used to work for Barr and Stroud who made the periscopes. She was an optical etcher who etched the graticules onto the ranger finders of periscopes and tank laser range finders.
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Billy Boy,

Sherman Oaks Californiacation 18/02/2009 21:02:52
# 10 & #13. Of course there is one person who can put up such an argument, in fact there might be TWO if we count Cheney!
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redcliffe62,

06/03/2009 02:56:31
if the story had not been released in france, and hard not to when the sub comesin looking like it has been toredoed, then would it have been mentioned here?
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jon305,

Stirling 07/03/2009 14:04:57
Isnt it wonderful how we suddenly have so many nuclear experts everytime something nuclear is mentioned. When we build the new neuclear plants in the UK we shall have so many experts we wont need to look anywhere for workers.
Easy how these so called experts forget the harm coal fire stations have done to environment, how energy prices have risen by nearly 100% over the last few years and I BET they are the first ones complaining about the cost. Waken up and stop scaremongering - the sun (the once great symbol of CND) is one of the biggest radiation donors on the planet yet CND dont shout too much about that, why not? Cause it wouldnt get them any attention.

 

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