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Published Date: 29 January 2009
BUS bosses have admitted that drivers are finding Princes Street "challenging" after it emerged that two people have been knocked down in less than a week.
One man is believed to be in hospital suffering from serious head injuries after an accident involving a bus on Friday, while a 45-year-old man was hit by a bus on Tuesday but escaped with only minor injuries.

Police have cleared Lothian Buses of blame for both incidents, but transport chiefs said road management measures brought in for the tram works had placed added pressure on drivers.

The safety of the pedestrian crossing at The Mound is also believed to be under investigation following Tuesday's incident.

The first of the two incidents happened at 7.30pm on Friday when a 24-year-old man was hit by a bus and was rushed to Edinburgh Royal Infirmary.

A police spokeswoman said: "Princes Street was closed westbound from around 8pm, and barriers were also in place at the junction of South St David Street and Waverley Bridge.

"The road was reopened at around 11.45pm."

It is believed the man suffered head injuries after being hit by an Airlink bus, but police said his condition had "stabilised" by Saturday. Police received no further update on his condition after this.

In the second incident, a man was hit by a bus on Princes Street shortly before 2pm on Tuesday.

The 45-year-old was taken to Edinburgh Royal Infirmary but suffered no serious injuries.

The police spokeswoman added: "The male was trying to cross the road when he was struck by a bus travelling eastbound along Princes Street.

"The road was closed westbound from the Scott Monument, and eastbound from The Mound from about 1.45pm, so the incident would have happened somewhere in between. The man was not seriously injured. The accident caused quite a bit of congestion until the road was reopened at around 3pm."

On-board camera footage from both buses is being studied by police and bus company bosses.

A spokesman for Lothian Buses said: "Both of these buses contained sophisticated camera equipment. The information from the cameras has been extracted and we are sharing that with police to assist in their inquiries.

"We are also carrying out our own internal investigation into the incidents. Some (traffic management] changes have taken place on Princes Street and there will be more to come. It's made things challenging for bus drivers."

One driver, who did not want to be named, said the growing number of roadworks in the city had made driving in the Capital "increasingly difficult".

Buses on Princes Street have observed a voluntary 20mph speed limit since American tourist Luella Duncan, 54, died when she was knocked down by a double-decker bus in 1996.

www.lothianbuses.com

www.lbp.police.uk


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  • Last Updated: 29 January 2009 11:19 AM
  • Source: Edinburgh Evening News
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Lothian Buses
 
1

allknowing,

29/01/2009 11:56:24
5hrs of road closure for one accident!!!!!!
LBP at their best again.

Just as well buses have good brakes. Just wait until a tram has to perform an emergency stop on wet, slippy rails. That should be fun to watch!!!
2

Mallory,

Edinburgh 29/01/2009 11:56:33
Wait for the trams
3

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29/01/2009 11:57:21
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brandy al,

embra 29/01/2009 12:00:01
Nothing to do with Princes Street,bus drivers could not drive sheep into a pen.
5

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29/01/2009 12:06:46
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The Leith Cowboy BAM BAM,

Bruxelles 29/01/2009 12:11:36
This would be ten times worse if

1) cxotland was independent
2) Tanks were allowed on buses with bairns in them but only sometimes
3) Slavering Halfwit
7

Ryan Kelly,

29/01/2009 12:19:48
i could be wrong but i think the friday incident happened on the saturday and also no mention that it was the people crossing the road at fault - lets 1st assume the driver was at fault .... police have cleared them, then it must be the crossing/ road works that are the cause.... WHEN WILL CROSSING THE ROAD WHEN THE CROSSING LIGHTS ARE AT RED BE TAKEN AS SERIOUS AS CROSSING A RAILWAY LINE?? Oh thats right when your quiet trams come along.
At least from february this will not happen as of course there will only be 3 crossings on the whole of Princes street.
8

john3,

29/01/2009 12:32:33
It sickens me that EN can make headlines of any accident on Princes St yet ignore 3 OAPs knocked down on the pavement by a runaway van in Rodney St whilst SAFELY awaiting the green man last year
9

The Judge,

29/01/2009 12:33:27
http://www.camvista.com/scotland/edinburgh/histedin_streaming.php3

No workers today, but they have got a fancy new digger!
10

Auld Twa,

Edinburgh 29/01/2009 12:34:31
Remember that our trams will be the biggest in Europe at 40 metres long and will really be trains running in the street.
Incidentally one tram will be a metre longer than three of the new three axle buses parked nose to tail.
11

Spondoolicks,

location location 29/01/2009 12:34:59
Ah...and banning cars from Princes St was going to make it safer for pedestrians and cyclists. Now Princes Street is chock-full of busses careering around.

Please can we open up the city to cars again - this is a working town and banning the cars is killing off the town centre (as well as endangering the lives of pedestrians.)

12

Road Raga,

EDINBURGH 29/01/2009 12:35:46
#8 it is because the EEN is the voice of the anti tram lot. It is no longer a news paper
13

Cynicaltalk,

29/01/2009 12:37:55
Whilst i agree that pedestrians can generally walk around with their heads up their bum a lot of the time, a lot of bus drivers still continue to career down Princes St at speeds too high for the congestion and road layout they are encountering.

Maybe they are finding it challenging becuase they are failing to adjust their speed and driving to the new conditions in which they find Princes St???
14

The Judge,

29/01/2009 12:38:06
#12 Rubbish the EEN depend on the council & tie they could put a stop to the tramLINE any time they wanted to unfortunately for us, they can't afford to.
15

C.,

29/01/2009 12:38:11
bring on the trumpets
16

Beachy,

29/01/2009 12:42:28
I'm amazed nobody has been knocked down yet at the bottom of Lothian Road where there is not a safe crossing place currently!
17

Hibernia,

29/01/2009 12:49:59
#14 so they could stop it anytime they wanted to, but they cant afford to. Doesnt that effectively means they cant stop!
18

Jock MacSprog,

29/01/2009 12:55:16
if its so challenging, the why are they driving so fast ? I regularly see buses driving way way too fast on Princes St. 20 mph ? what a joke, most are going 40+
19

Pond Hall,

29/01/2009 13:11:08
11 Spondoolicks,location location 29/01/2009 12:34:59

Please can we open up the city to cars again - this is a working town and banning the cars is killing off the town centre (as well as endangering the lives of pedestrians.)

So is the number of cars drivers who IGNORE the RED lights at the PEDESTRIAN CROSSING on Sir Harry Lauder Road at Fishwives causeway.

I've given up counting the number of cars that drive through the lights, NOT AMBER GAMBLERS but RED light drivers.
20

Vics35,

29/01/2009 13:14:24
If anyone from Lothian Buses actually reads this then take note: speed limit is 20mph on Princes Street, time the drivers were re-educated to the dangers of speed.

And this goes for a lot of the roads, putting the foot down on a road in a built up area to try and catch up with time won't work, all it does is put the passengers at risk - or is it a management thing that is pressuring drivers to speed?? Speed limits are there for a reason are they not?
21

FrankGallagher,

29/01/2009 13:15:42
Trams... whatever next
22

reincarnated,

Edinburgh 29/01/2009 13:17:50
I told you before - the front of the trams will be fitted with "cattle catcher" grills so that the dead pedestrians can be swept out of the way quickly allowing the tram to continue on it's way.
23

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29/01/2009 13:21:52
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29/01/2009 13:25:09
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25

Fed up with stinky streets,

Edinburgh 29/01/2009 13:32:41
Some crossings allow pedestrians LITERALLY 6 seconds to cross the road after waiting for what feels like 20 minutes for the green man. Even then traffic will be blocking the crossing or start driving towards you as soon as they get flashing amber.

Its little wonder people get fed up and cross where they shouldnt.
26

raythebear,

edinburgh 29/01/2009 13:42:14
maybe they could start putting the guardrails back up
27

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29/01/2009 13:43:09
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28

scotsol,

Edinburgh 29/01/2009 14:01:34
Funny, isn't it, that all the anti-tram whingers are also right-wing bigots. Look at the article about the homophobic councillor in today's issue - Judge, Very Disappointed/concerned and the rsst are all there agreeing with him.
29

Alternative (High-Octane) Fuel Head,

Edinburgh 29/01/2009 14:11:29
Isn't it strange that when you start blaming stupid people for their own mistakes, your comment gets removed?

I suppose that those who got knocked over "...were suddenly faced with a bus bearing down on them and were unable to do anything about it".

Let's face it, your average Lothian Bus is pretty easy to see isn't it? I'd say that looking where you are going would solve the problem in 100% of cases.
30

Lang Spoon,

The Eternal Trench System, Leith 29/01/2009 14:11:34
#28
Sir, I take pride in being anti-tram, on careful study of the facts; however, I take exception to being classed as a right-wing bigot!
I am in fact very left-wing.
31

The Judge,

29/01/2009 14:18:08
#28 I am neither anti tram nor right wing. But hey lets not allow facts to get in the way eh?

Isn't it interesting the protrammies always lower the debate to personal insults.
32

FrankGallagher,

29/01/2009 14:35:10
i don't have any wings although i am free as a bird
33

L,

Edinburgh 29/01/2009 14:50:35
do we need green cross code refresher sessions for people?
34

The Leith Cowboy BAM BAM,

Bruxelles 29/01/2009 15:17:20
Basically they should have watched where they were going. Edinburgh is full of halfwits at the best of times, it was the worst of times. Dickensian in the extreme.
35

BBH,

Edinburgh 29/01/2009 15:42:15
If you think it's dangerous just now, just wait till the pavements on Princes Street have been narrowed again to make room for the trams.
36

thelostvoice,

29/01/2009 15:48:04
#1 If you or one of your family got knocked down i'm sure you would want a full investigation into the circumstances and everything recorded fully so that compensation/legal proceddings and perhaps a death enquiry could be done. Mind you the bus would probably bounce off your thick head.....another idiot who just blames the police for everything, i'm sure they really wanted to be standing out in the freezing cold for hours. Get a brain.
37

Alternative (High-Octane) Fuel Head,

Edinburgh 29/01/2009 16:11:27
#28:

Congratulations! You've hit the nail right on the head!

I AM a right-wing bigot and I AM against the trams!

Well done!
38

The Leith Cowboy BAM BAM,

Bruxelles 29/01/2009 16:24:34
Maybe there will be special p0f days on the trams - with streamers and bumpy music, and other right wing bigot days with dire Straits and free pwoerpoint on board.

Who knows , there might even be smartass days for people like me.
39

The Leith Cowboy BAM BAM,

Bruxelles 29/01/2009 16:25:09
i actually spelt powerpoint wrong above, its not a swear word you have to hide.
40

The Leith Cowboy BAM BAM,

Bruxelles 29/01/2009 16:26:22
You have to hide. Do it now.
41

Number1,

29/01/2009 16:47:31
#20

Get your facts correct.

Princes Street does NOT have a 20mph speed limit, it is a 30mph limit.
But Lothian Buses (or LRT as some folk like to call it)
have a 20mph rule for their drivers only, not First, not Stagecoach, or even taxis.
They are not the only road users on Princes St.
Would your opinion change if it was another company in the news. I think it would!

And the EEN are that desperate for any info, they asked for info on a certain bus drivers forum!
42

calum,

29/01/2009 17:38:31
#1 - If you think that is bad, wait until there are actually trams running.
If a person is knocked over and seriously injured by a tram it won't be the police investigating it will be the Railways Inspectorate who will take longer; other trams won't be able to drive round the scene like buses, the line will be closed rendering all susequent runs and timetablers useless; will there be buses on standby for just such an event?;have TIE and the Council even thought of that?
43

Alternative (High-Octane) Fuel Head,

Edinburgh 29/01/2009 17:42:04
#44:

And trams are much heavier than buses. Their stopping distances are far longer as well. If anyone decides to casually stroll out in front of a tram then they will have to be scraped up off the rails.
44

The Leith Lothario,

Here.... 29/01/2009 17:45:36
Bring on the trumpets.......
45

PaulB,

Krakow poland 29/01/2009 17:46:23
I am in Poland just now and they have an excellent extensive tram network. The trams are well able to execute emergency stops and they integrate well with buses and cars.I am not in the least surprised people are run down in Princes St most of them wander into the traffic wherever they feel like it stop blaming bus drivers for everything they have a hard enough jon as it is. The trams are coming!!
46

elayne,

29/01/2009 18:02:22
i was knocked down by a bus in my town in late 90s,the bus swerved to avoid a lorry in our very narrow main st(i was crossing road at designated crossing area)i recieved internal injuries and severe concussion and was off work 12 weeks,lucky really!i dont blame driver as he was trying to get round some ****hole of a lorry driver (who fled the scene)no lasting damage done,
47

GJS,

29/01/2009 19:21:22
Why is it always the fault of the drivers? Don't pedestrians have to look before they cross the road anymore? Or is that not PC?
48

Cauld Lad Hylton,

29/01/2009 19:49:42
Buses travel at 20mph since 1996 along Princes Street!!!!

I don't think so - I have been amazed at some of the speeds that buses (not only Lothian Region) proceed along Princes Street - Mind you when Engine Control Systems are put in place in the not to distant future we will then see what 20mph really means.

Lothian Buses are a credit to the region.
49

Incandescent,

29/01/2009 20:16:04
52 Tony - Maybe 51 uses the same measures you employ to record the speed of cars?
50

Smackhead,

Edinburgh 29/01/2009 20:23:04
#1 Shut up you profund bore. Lets hope when the tram "brakes" you are directly in its path. That WILL be fun to watch.
#11 You are plainly a fool. Cars are the problem ban them all fast!!
51

Incandescent,

29/01/2009 20:30:05
54 Tony - I don't know, but you must have some means, as you consistently tell us about the offences of the 90-odd % of Edinburgh drivers' poor standards, including speeding.
52

Incandescent,

29/01/2009 20:41:53
57 Tony - Judging by your instantly abusive comment you're obviously fired-up by the debate raging over on the adoption thread ("heterophobia" IS a real word.)

"Years of experience" of what? Exceeding the speed limit? Driving? You've never answered whether you have ever passed a driving test and simply being alive for a long time doesn't improve your ability to estimate speeds.
53

Incandescent,

29/01/2009 20:43:13
57 Tony - and for all you know I might be a 80 year-old former Le Mans driver...
54

Beachy,

29/01/2009 20:47:19
I feel some sympathy for bus drivers with the way (young) people are these days. On my way home this evening I witnessed two neds and two nedettes with trademark bottle of white lightning in hand, staggering about in the middle of road shouting and swearing at passing bus drivers who had to brake to avoid putting said Ned/Nedettes out their misery.
Other times you get similar to the likes of this scum coming on yer bus and it can't be much fun being a bus driver.
I've no doubt there are some bad bus drivers as well, but #33's suggestion is not so silly at all!
55

connor123,

edinburgh 29/01/2009 21:14:36
as a bus driver i can honestly say that the two people hurt on princes st at the weekend will not be the last..as long as people insist on walking across roads without looking and walking when the red man is telling them not to.i very nearly knocked 2 women down today as they strolled along nattering away oblivious to the double decker bus breaking hard even though i had the right of way...they didn't look once to see what dangers were comming... the insults they screamed at me...it's a joke. oh by the way 20mph applies only to lothian buses not the other bus companies and taxis
56

COLINTON.MAINS,

Oakville Ontario 29/01/2009 22:04:49
THE.TRAM.WILL.BE.LONGER.THAN.THE.CITY
57

snoopy,

29/01/2009 22:08:31
#4 What gives you the right to say that?

Of the two bus accidents I've been involved in BOTH were caused by CAR drivers pulling out into the Greenways lanes at last minute and without looking. Nothing the bus driver can do there apart from slam on the brakes and hope the bus stops in time.

Incidentally I was nearly mown down last week outside ASDA at Chesser. I was crossing the road on a Zebra crossing, when a car driver not even seeing the crossing, drove right over and I had to jump out the way so's not to get mown down.

Most bus drivers do an exceptional job in very difficult circumstances.
58

Dr DoGood,

edinburgh 29/01/2009 22:13:52
20mph applies to Loyhian Buses only but in reality at this time you are lucky to be doing 10mph this due to the roadworks and the amount of vehicles using Princes Street illegally i.e Royal Mail,CoEC road/cleansing vehicles,prison service vans,ambulances(not going anywhere except along the road)THE DAILY RECORD AND EEN VANS and don't forget the PRIVATE HIRE CARS not taxis CARS and the odd pedestrian of course
59

The real dracula,

29/01/2009 22:20:14
2 people get knocked down by buses in princes st every week ,,,,,,,,,wow I bet this 2 people are getting p1$$ed off
60

Dr DoGood,

edinburgh 29/01/2009 22:21:59
heres a thought for all you that think bus drivers do a bad job or are bad drivers try it the numbers on the back of every bus if you got a licence the initiall training takes approx four weeks intensive training then ongoing training and qualifications etc for the rest of the time you do the job
61

taxihell,

leith 29/01/2009 22:22:00
its not just hard for the bus drivers i drive a lorry in edinburgh everyday and it is beyond a joke these traffic managment companys are brainless who in there right mind puts signs all the way along queen st that hang over the road and get hit by buses and lorrys
62

Alternative (High Octane) Fuel Head,

Edinburgh 30/01/2009 01:26:41
Tony,

"So until you reach my age and experience..."

Experience, unless it is founded on knowledge, counts for very little. Age, counts for even less.

Judging by the majority of your anti-car posts, I doubt very much if you have enough knowledge to be able to judge vehicle speeds with any degree of accuracy.
63

Hmm?,

30/01/2009 09:13:23
How did these people fail to see a bus coming towards them?
64

Asil,

Musselburgh 30/01/2009 19:20:05
I do hope the 2 people will be ok but when will people learn not to cross in front of buses! Nearly everyday I see some idiot running across the road and just being missed by a car or bus, why can't people use the crossings????
65

Big bob 79,

30/01/2009 19:48:12
Friday afternoon,
MAKE THAT 3 PEOPLE IN ONE WEEK!.......
66

Speedy Gonzales,

Edinburgh 30/01/2009 21:16:10
There are 20MPH signs at the western end of Princes St. They are advisory signs and the advice is directed to ALL road users. The signs have a yellow background with black lettering.
I've seen them for years but I know, from asking, that a lot of drivers have not seen them, never mind heeded them!

 

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