Help Sitemap Home Skip Navigation Contact Us Disability Statement


Pressure mounts on Lothian Buses to do pram ban U-turn

Click on thumbnail to view image
Click on thumbnail to view image
Click on thumbnail to view image
Click on thumbnail to view image
Click on thumbnail to view image

Published Date: 11 February 2009
MSPs are upping the pressure on Lothian Buses to drop its controversial pram ban after it emerged it is the only Scots company to employ such a policy.
The Scottish Parliament's public petitions committee is calling on the firm to meet campaigners to try and find a solution.

More than 2000 people have signed the petition calling for prams and buggies to be allowed on buses. And three of Edinbur
gh's leading disability charities have written an open letter to Lothian Buses calling for a solution to be found.

Capability Scotland, the Edinburgh Disability Forum and Ecas say there needs to be a more consistent policy on wheelchair space and an education campaign to increase awareness. They also asked for extra spaces so prams and wheelchairs could be carried at the same time.

Lothian Buses claims the ban is necessary to ensure the space is kept free for wheelchair users, and says its policy is in line with the Disability Discrimination Act.

The committee discussed the petition for the second time yesterday, after writing to bus companies throughout Scotland to compare policies.

It found only Lothian Buses had a blanket ban on unfoldable prams and buggies.

Shirley-Anne Somerville, who represents the Lothians for the SNP, said: "We see this as discrimination towards carers with young children. This isn't a pram ban – it's a baby ban.

"If equal opportunities are to be taken seriously, they have to apply to all vulnerable groups. The Scottish Parliament should ensure these vulnerable groups are properly represented and not forgotten about."

She said Lothian Buses had failed to provide accurate figures on the number of complaints about pram users.

She said: "If wheelchair access is a problem, we need to deal with it in its entirety, rather than picking a policy out of thin air, which is not based on legal advice or complaints."

Bill Butler, a Labour MSP, said: "I would hope that Lothian Buses would not want to be seen as a company that's deaf to its owners and customers by instigating a baby ban.

"A baby ban is one of the least productive slogans I would think for a publicly-owned company to attract customers."

And Nigel Don, an SNP MSP, added: "I'm mystified as to why Lothian Buses persists in an approach that is not supported by any other bus company."

The committee's convener, Frank McAveety MSP, said ensuring disabled users could access buses should be a priority. But he suggested writing to Lothian Buses and urging it to meet campaigners to discuss a solution.

Ian Coupar, the marketing director for Lothian Buses, said: "We are sure that the public petitions committee gave fair and reasonable consideration to all points raised within the petition. Over the next few days we will be discussing today's outcome along with the proposal that was also received today from Edinburgh's three main disability charities, which offers a practical and sensible way forward."





Page 1 of 1

  • Last Updated: 11 February 2009 10:59 AM
  • Source: Edinburgh Evening News
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Lothian Buses
 
1

Brodric,

11/02/2009 11:53:01
How narrow minded to assume that LRT isn't listening to its customers. Many customers complained and lobbied for the ban.

And the use of emotive language is sickening "baby ban" - there is no baby ban, just a ban on big unfoldable prams.

Lastly, "vulnerable groups" - mothers with babies are not vulnerable groups, unless they also have a disability.
2

Spout,

Edinburgh 11/02/2009 12:05:39
I am sick of this being presented as something new - prams have ALWAYS been banned on buses - and not just Lothian Buses either.

The fact of the matter is an able bodied mother can fold a buggy and lift the baby out.

A disabled person doesn't have that luxury.
3

Dorian,

Edinburgh 11/02/2009 12:15:23
This is still new?
4

AntiEdinburghWhingers,

11/02/2009 12:16:24
I'm disappointed that so many MSPs cannot tell the difference between a baby and a pram.

The only reason why Lothian Buses has this policy, and not other bus companies, is because they are one of the few companies to have so many low-floor buses… First Edinburgh can only manage two-thirds. First say that they don’t have the same policy, but in fact they do, just differently worded: they make it clear on their website that you must fold your pushchair if a wheelchair-user wishes to board. As prams cannot be folded, then presumably they cannot travel! Again, MSPs seem incapable of understanding that.

The petitioners need to understand that they should not be putting wheelchair-users in a position where they must negotiate with parents who are selfish in their CHOICE of equipment in order to board a bus designed to accommodate them.

The suggestion for additional spaces for wheelchair-users and pushchairs will only mean fewer badly-needed seats for elderly passengers, so clearly not a suitable solution.

Electric wheelchairs, mobility scooters, and bicycles are also not allowed on buses: why? Because buses are buses, and not community centres on wheels. They need to operate in the interests of all their passengers, not just bolshie middle-class mothers who have CHOSEN to purchase stupid pieces of equipment. If they are so passionate about the issue, go to the manufacturers and demand a pram that is suitable for buses, not demand that buses be designed around their pram!
5

Sunny Jim,

11/02/2009 12:16:55
Ban the pram! Prams were made to be pushed not carried onto buses. The people who take them onto buses are selfish lazy g!t$.
6

Cappo Del Monte,

11/02/2009 12:24:44
Cant wait until the first disabled person sues LRT for breaking the Disability Discrimination Act lol or something similar.
Wheel chairs have to take preferance over prams
7

brandy al,

embra 11/02/2009 12:31:28
Let them push the prams,look at the exercise and the fresh air the bairn will get,and sleep better.
8

Hibernia,

11/02/2009 12:31:40
Why shouldnt a mother be allowed to take a pram/buggy on a bus? It is incredible how whingy and pathetic and judgemental certain people on these boards are for example someone assuming that mothers are lazy g!t$ (round of applause to Sunny Jim on that one).
9

Sunny Jim,

11/02/2009 12:35:01
http://www.shirleyannesomerville.com/
She's the one who can't tell a baby from a pram.
10

Sunny Jim,

11/02/2009 12:36:50
#8 Hibernia
They can take a buggy on, it's prams that are banned and so they should be.
11

john3,

11/02/2009 12:38:13
The babies must be toddlers by now!!! Determined
women pursuing, and being supported, a ridiculous point.
How many more have said to pick up their wean and fold their buggy.
12

Incandescent,

11/02/2009 12:48:04
#6 & #7 ...and prams, being so much larger, will consume more raw materials and energy than buggies in the manufacturing process and, presumably, should pay a higher fare, perhaps even an annual fee.
13

Linmal,

Livingston 11/02/2009 12:48:45
Heaven's above! I thought this was all sorted now! There can't be much news today. Edinburgh is a great city for walking in and if you push your pram it is great exercise. If you want to go on the bus, take a folding pushchair or alternatively a baby sling. Hardly rocket science, now is it? The world is a selfish place - particularly, it seems, Edinburgh. Apparently, in London, you can hardly move for prams and buggies on the buses and everyone is fed up with it. According to someone I spoke with who had been there on holiday. Send them all down there!
14

Watch Us Wreck The Mic, Psyche.,

Edinburgh 11/02/2009 12:58:37
Most of the comments so far translate to, "I'm single and only have myself to think about therefore everything should be the way I want it. I only think about me me me and I'm so perfect and everyone else isn't."

Happy valentines day everyone!
15

The grime reaper,

in yer birds bed 11/02/2009 13:01:02
A bit harsh guys don't u think?
16

Incandescent,

11/02/2009 13:06:56
#15 - Your "translation" can be made equally applicable to the other side of the argument, simply by replacing "I'm single and only have myself..." with "I have my incomparaby special baby".
17

Watch Us Wreck The Mic, Psyche.,

Edinburgh 11/02/2009 13:11:05
#17 Exactly, but it's a better angle than half the Audience-of-Trisha comments above.

Seriously though, some new mums just don't have other transport options. They're on half pay, feeding extra mouths etc so the bus is a cheap way to get around. I agree with the folding buggy comments but a lot of newborn babies are usually too small for folding buggies so prams are essential. Perhaps a solution would be to bam prams at peak times only?
18

AntiEdinburghWhingers,

11/02/2009 13:14:01
@ No15: The only ones with a 'me me me' attitude are the selfish parents who demand that their CHOICE of baby-carrying equipment be equated the NECESSITY of wheelchairs to wheelchair-users.

I think you'll find many people who are against this stupid campaign care deeply about those who really are 'vulnerable' in society, wheelchair-users and the elderly included. I also applaud Lothian Buses for ensuring that their drivers are not put in a position where they must adjudicate between a parent with a stupid pram and a wheelchair user. The parents in this campaign want to put drivers in the firing line, and make essential travel for wheelchair-users something they must negotiate. That is wrong.

For reference, I know almost no-one who supports this campaign: men, women, parents, singles, married, old & young. Once the emotive "they've banned babies" nonsense is unravelled (something MSPs seem incapable of doing for themselves), people realise the logic, and common sense of the current policy.
19

Sunny Jim,

11/02/2009 13:14:17
Perhapps a baby sling would be a solution? What's that I hear you say, but they won't be able to show off their flashy new perambulators?
20

o.a.p. jambo,

onthebackstraight 11/02/2009 13:15:14
It would be very interesting to find out how many of the 2000 signatories actually have prams ?
How many actually travel by bus ?
How many are friends and relatives of the petition organisers ?
This stupid farce has been goin on for so long now that the young babies will soon be getting a lift to school by their mums in the second car !
There is no reason, other than snobbery, for mothers to insist on purchasing a pram for their babies.
The overwhelming majority of mothers with young babies can be seen everywhere using totally adequate buggies.
To try and equate LRT's policy to a "baby ban" is just ludicrous.
Many mothers have a choice as to their means of travel, many disabled/handicapped people don't have that choice.
21

AntiEdinburghWhingers,

11/02/2009 13:15:43
Perhaps someone should send our intelligent MSPs a letter showing a diagram that highlights the difference between a 'pram' and a 'baby'? Perhaps an indication of the wide-variety of baby-carrying equipment that IS suitable for use of public transport might also help inform them.
22

John H,

edinburgh 11/02/2009 13:18:35
They will be banning babies next
23

Duncan in Edinburgh,

11/02/2009 13:18:39
Dear me, is this still going on?

There's a very simple solution. Wheelchair users take priority, and if a pram or a buggy is in the wheelchair space they either have to fold up or get off the bus.

People with unfoldable prams have to buy a day ticket (or use a Ridacard) (a) to cover the additional space taken up by the pram, and (b) to allow them to get off and onto the next bus should they have to do so.

As others have said, there is no possibility of a U-turn, because prams have NEVER been allowed on buses, so there is no decision to reverse.
24

Sunny Jim,

11/02/2009 13:37:01
#24 Duncan
You're saying prams should be allowed on buses, they're banned and so they should be.
Keep prams on the pavements!
25

elayne,

11/02/2009 13:40:08
#20 slings are practical solution for small babies,i used them myself,in my day(which was not THAT long ago)we just walked with buggies/prams and only used bus as last resort
26

Sunny Jim,

11/02/2009 13:44:23
I took mine everywhere in a sling on my front (I'm male) it was great for me and my bairns.
27

The Ayrshire Bard,

11/02/2009 13:48:58
Back in the days when prams were prams we carried our children in carry cots if we had to travel by bus or tram. No problem, the carry cot could be placed across our knees.
28

GJS,

11/02/2009 14:21:04
Why don't these mothers just learn to drive like normal people do?
29

nSyratzcGlaw,

11/02/2009 14:28:16
No No No NO no No No.
30

The Judge,

11/02/2009 14:30:43
I've just got back from town.

Outside Cameron Toll Shopping Centre.

Mother with pram: Can I bring the pram on?

Driver: Sorry there's a wheelchair on board.

MWP: Aw fir **** sake I'm only going ******* 3 stops can I no squeeze on?

Driver: Sorry it's not allowed but there's a couple of buses behind me try those ones.

MWP: Your all a bunch of *****

She then walked infront of the bus and gobbed on the windscreen.

That's why there should be a ban prams.
31

Sunny Jim,

11/02/2009 14:40:10
If she was only going three stops then I'm sure she could easily have walked it. That just backs up my first post, selfish lazy g!t.
32

elayne,

11/02/2009 14:56:33
#31 have seen this scenario many times too!(the culprits usually being chubby teen mums who would benefit from regular walking instead of clogging up buses with their foul mouths and screaming weans)
33

NorT,

Edinburgh 11/02/2009 14:59:39
Ban prams and unfolded buggies on all buses. If you take a buggy on board it should be folded.
34

Niadh,

Edinburgh 11/02/2009 15:05:00
To counter 31s comments.
Mother with twins (6 months) in push chair. Bus driver would not let her on at all.
Eventually agreed to do so if mother folded up pram.
Mother show no sign of folding up pram. So driver refuses to go anywhere until she does. Driver does not understand that there is nowhere on the bus where 2 6 month old boys can be put safely while push chair is folded. None of the other passengers have a problem and indeed start berating the driver.
Another bus comes up behind and driver agrees to take them on without batting eye.
Mother, children and most of passengers get off first bus and onto second.
35

Sunny Jim,

11/02/2009 15:12:51
#35
First you said she had a push chair then it turned into a pram. Are you like Shirley-Anne Somerville who doen't know a baby from a pram?
Keep buses pram free.
36

Mallory,

Edinburgh 11/02/2009 15:31:57
Why not charge an additional fare for very pram or buggy that is not folded?
37

Sunny Jim,

11/02/2009 15:34:00
It doesn't matter how much you charge, if the pram's on the bus there's no room for a wheelchair. No prams is the only way.
38

Jamesbuchanan66,

11/02/2009 15:42:33
Dont back down lothian buses! Dont give in to the stupid mums who buy stupid big buggys that dont fold!
39

Driver,

lasswade 11/02/2009 15:51:43
A mother with a pram certainly does come into the "vulnerable" category if it's dictated that she can't board a bus which may be the only form of transport available to her.

surely the answer is a very easily fixed solution, fold up seats on the firs few seats in a bus which can cater for both. it shouldn't come down to either Wheelchair or Pram, everything possible should be done to accommodate both. It's pathetic that an easily fixed problem has gone to parliament, LRT and the people at the helm should be ashamed that they are trying to play one set of people against another to try and justify this discriminatory policy.
40

kaz 1,

11/02/2009 16:00:53
i can not beleive half the comments on this. really nasty anti children. i feel really sorry for all of you really. if you have tried being home all day on maternity pay with a small baby you would realise how important it is to have affordable transport. you would have alot more mothers not coping without it. shame on you all. we no longer have strong local communities like they had in the past, which meant you could stay within walking distance. incredibly narrow minded. does not say much for evening news readers...
41

Decent,

11/02/2009 16:11:37
Kaz - I think you will find a lot of us have been on maternity leave. We just didn't expect the world to stop because we had a baby. We weren't even allowed buggy's on buses then without folding them and I didn't expect to be. If I had to get a bus I used a sling but mostly I walked. Nobody on here is anti-children - just anti-huge prams with bolshy mothers pushing them.
42

Sunny Jim,

11/02/2009 16:11:50
#41 Kaz
I didn't see any anti-children comments, only anti-pram comments. The children are more than welcome on buses but not in a pram. Push the thing, that's why it's got nice big wheels.
43

Jamesbuchanan66,

11/02/2009 16:22:21
#41

Children are fine...unless there neds
44

The real dracula,

11/02/2009 16:52:18
#41 I wouldnt say people on here are anti children.
This tale has gone on for ages and people are sick of it.
The campaigners are actually turning rational , level headed folks against them particularly by saying its a ban on babies , what absolute nonsense. Its a ban on prams , the ones that dont fold down and take up far too much room.

If you read thru most comments agree that folding pushchairs should be accepted.

Myself and others dont agree that mums and babies are 'vulnerable groups' , unless either of them have a disability a parent and child are normal healthy individuals who really dont need any extra services.

It is certainely not acceptable to block the wheelchair user space with prams and pushchairs. Disabled people dont have a choice of having to use a wheelchair .

Being pregnant , having babies and children is not an illness or a disability.

Its the relentless selfish bleating of these mums that is the most annoying.
i have absolutely no sympathy now for their plight. Having children is a privlege not a nessicity or a disability.
45

The real dracula,

11/02/2009 16:55:44
And Kaz some folks would dearly love to be at home with a healthy young baby , on maternity leave.

And some folks arent lucky enough to have that option remember that please.
46

The real dracula,

11/02/2009 16:57:36
#40 explain please how a mum with a healthy young baby is deemed vulnerable ?????
47

Sunny Jim,

11/02/2009 17:11:19
Well said The Real Dracula. I second your every word. Having babies doesn't make you any more vulnerable, whatever next?
48

Saltersafc,

11/02/2009 17:33:56
My wife and i went out and bought a pram that can fold up, as my wife can not drive but she was told that her and the baby could not get on the bus (even with the pram folded to a small size) cos the the carry cot would take up an extra seat!!!!! is this fair??? Or is to expect a new mother and baby to walk 8 miles in the wind and rain better?

It is time for LRT to get a grip!!!!
49

The real dracula,

11/02/2009 17:46:29
So why cant you either get a smaller pram , a sling or pay for an extra seat ???An 8 week old baby is certainly light enough to hold onto.

Iwould have thoght a sling is far more practical and nice for baby to have close contact.
Is it fair that someone who has paid for a seat cant sit down because the carrycoat is taking up room , can your wife not have the cot on her lap????
50

The real dracula,

11/02/2009 17:47:08
Ooops just realised you said 8 miles not 8 weeks.
51

22shifter,

11/02/2009 17:51:13
The main problem here is laziness, how did people manage before? Because of this political correctness older bus users have to totter 2/3rds of the way up the bus before they can get a seat, grasping for stantions that are'nt there anymore. If they fall oh! then it's the drivers fault. Buses built in the 1970s were safer and served the majority of passengers better than the cheap shiny rubbish produced now.
52

hennes23,

portobello 11/02/2009 18:02:19
I had no views either way on the pram ban saga until yesterday when two rather large teenagers,complete with crisp eating baby in pram and chocolate munching toddler apiece,attempted to board my already full of schoolkids bus.The driver evicted four school children and rearranged the rest of the passengers to accommodate the girls,both of whom continued their conversations on mobile phones and didn't acknowledge the help of other passengers to lift their prams on board.They flashed youth bus passes at the driver so she was unaware of their destination.After several minutes of delay and general messing around,we moved off.Two stops later,a distance of about half a mile,the girls rang the bell and the whole procedure was reversed.Without wishing to be derogatory to those who are a little overweight,the two girls, who must have been about sixteen stone each,would have benefited by walking the short distance and also lowered the blood pressure of us unfortunate passengers.
53

Sunny Jim,

11/02/2009 18:02:36
#49 Saltersafc
Either a baby buggy or a sling because PRAMS ARE NOT ALLOWED ON BUSES.
I agree with #52 about the laziness. My Mmum walked miles along that Pollockshaws Rd into town with lots of us because PRAMS WERE NOT ALLOWED ON BUSES.
54

juicyjen,

Edinburgh 11/02/2009 18:59:33
First of all let me say that I am a mum of 3 young children, albeit over pram stage now. However I would just like to say to those of you who are saying people with prams should walk etc etc - I agree if they are only going a few stops, however with shops closing here there and everywhere it is so much harder to get everything you need locally without having to get on a bus. I think the problem is the confusion over exactly WHICH type of baby transport is allowed - see #49 who has a foldable pram yet is still not allowed on a bus and it is suggested they pay for an extra seat for the carrycot (yet further up someone suggests they carried the carrycot on the bus in the 'olden days').

I agree that mothers of young babies, providing both are healthy but it has to be remembered that certain pregnancy conditions can cause you much pain and temporary disability even after you have given birth. Finally I would like to point out to the mums who say that there are no safe lie flat prams suitable for newborns (as very young babies need to lie flat) that there are actually loads on the market if you look for them. babies r us and mothercare stock very easy to fold up buggies suitable for newborns.
55

juicyjen,

11/02/2009 19:05:05
RE my previous post - here is a link to a buggy very similar to the one my now 2 year old uses, which I take on the bus unfolded if he is sleeping but have a look! It's suitable from birth - shock horror!! and is easily folded and small enough to store on the bus should you need to fold it up for a wheelchair user.

Please don't use the excuse there is nothing suitable for newborns anymore
56

Artemis,

11/02/2009 19:05:42
On the no30 yesterday I saw a woman with her baby in its buggy in the wheelchair space, while another woman sat on an ordinary bus seat with her folded-up wheelchair beside her.
57

rabmataz,

11/02/2009 19:22:43
easy solution: prams upstairs; wheelchairs downstairs. if prams can't get onto the top deck, they can't get on.
58

elayne,

11/02/2009 20:23:14
#53 seen this many times too

in my time as a young mum i walked when possible(with twin buggy)firstly because i believe fresh air is good for babies,provided they are dressed for weather and is good excercise too
59

nho,

edinburgh 11/02/2009 22:00:25
I've have a young baby and would never dream of trying to board a bus with a pram. I have a 3 in 1 that can be a buggy or a pram or car seat / carry cot. Mums, think carefully beforehand before buying and make sure it's practical.
60

Cassandra,

11/02/2009 22:16:51
I'm for the unfolded pram/buggy ban. Mallory #37 is right, Sunny Jim #38 -the kind of person who won't pay full fare for their pram is the kind of person who won't fold it if a wheelchair need to get on, so it would work.

However,I got on a bus today that had massive blue plastic THINGS built into both sides of the passenger compartment. You could have got two prams and two wheelchairs on without them. What are they for? There were wheelchair spaces on the same bus. Is there a driver online who can explain?
61

Robbierunciman,

Romney Marsh 11/02/2009 23:31:23
perhaps LRT could endorse a type of folding buggy for bus travel. Mums would then know what to buy if they wanted to travel on the bus and the driver would have a clear idea if something is allowed.

If they let unfoldable prams on, I want buses to carry bicycles.
62

g1980,

11/02/2009 23:54:44
#61, If the "massive blue plastic things" were removed it would create no extra room. The wheels are under there and are integral to the operation of the bus!!!!!!

T have, on many occasions, had to turn away disabled passengers due to a parent's refusal to vacate the WHEELCHAIR space, and most occasions it is a buggy which can be folded but the parent refuses to do so, as they are legally entitled to do. As for the parents who insist they would vacate the space if required by a wheelchair passenger, thats all well and good saying that but what happens on a cold, wet and windy winter's night? Would they vacate the space by getting off the bus then? Either way, someone is going to be left behind. At least with this ban they know the situation before they leave the house.
The ban is actually very flexible contrary to popular belief. The only prams that are totally banned is the unfoldable ones, which are few and far between these days. Large prams which do fold are allowed on at the discretion of the driver providing they can be safely stowed in between seats if required i.e. not during peak periods when seats will be needed. That is as far as the restrictions go, hardly the "baby ban" being spoken about.
63

Julian.,

edinburgh 12/02/2009 04:01:54
#63,

It would probably help if you and your fellow drivers took a note of these incidents including date and time. Maybe then it would knock these MSP's off their high horses saying there's no evidence of this.

Judging from the comments here, is anyone actually against this ban...except for a few MSP's taking it up on behalf of about 1% of the population?
64

Cockneyrebel,

12/02/2009 07:14:25
take child out, fold buggy, get on bus, stow buggy, sit on seat...talk to someone sitting next to you how cute baby is...bus stops you get off(driver wil wait if you help them they help you) ta da!
65

Cockneyrebel,

12/02/2009 07:21:57
why not put a bus on the road that gives a driver a job called the 'baby bus' get rid of one of those bloody tour buses!bet you it would be well used and there could be one side of the bus for the buggies and they could all chat merrily without getting embarrssed if the little darlings start to cry x
66

taxihell,

leith 12/02/2009 08:48:33
i bet most of the buggie hating comments are from people who have the privilge of owning there own car do these people expect mums to trek across the city in frezzing wheather pishing rain and how the hell on earth are mums expected to fold buggies with shopping bags and a two year old running around get a grip you snobby gits
67

Decent,

12/02/2009 09:25:26
The same way as we all had to do it. But then you did need a bit of common sense.
68

The real dracula,

12/02/2009 11:04:36
#67 there seem to be some very sensible parents on here who manage to use buses with their children and they dont seem to be moaning.
If they can do it I would imagine the others can
69

Decent,

12/02/2009 11:49:51
Oh my you do like to dramatise don't you! I haven't heard of many babies freezing to death wrapped up in a huge pram. Giving birth is not really that difficult - women do it every minute of every day and have done for thousands of years. It does not make you an invalid or vulnerable. Use a sling or a fold up buggy it's really quite simple.
70

,

12/02/2009 12:37:40
Comment Removed By Administrator
Reason:
71

,

12/02/2009 13:18:24
Comment Removed By Administrator
Reason:
72

,

12/02/2009 13:33:43
Comment Removed By Administrator
Reason:
73

Decent,

12/02/2009 13:47:07
Well if you keep reporting me athey will delete. Why don't you report yourself? You said the bad word moron too. I am tired of debating with you. There are no babies going to freeze to death because the population of Edinburgh are so selfish that we would like wheelchair users to be able to get on a bus.
74

The real dracula,

12/02/2009 15:20:56
I have never read so much rubbish in my life , never have I heard of a baby freezing to death out shopping with its mum , if ever there was a case then the baby would obviously not be suitably attired for the freezing cold temps. I wonder how babies manage in Russia and the antartic.

There is still no need for a healthy mum and baby to clutter up buses with unmanageable prams. Not sure how a sling would get in the way with shopping , it actually gives you move manoeuvrability.

C'mon kenster get yourself a wee reality check , never mind the amatuer dramatics.

O ther than that your post was very amusing
75

dawn mcewing,

not on a bus cause theres a pram on it 12/02/2009 17:49:48
this is doing my head what are you like ,, babies subject to this that and another bla bla bla,, sick of you parents that think you have the right to use the disabled wheel chair space for babies you make me sick ,,, my disabled child can t get on the bus with a space that was put there FOR HIS USE AS HE IS IN WHEEL CHAIR because there s a pram ban them all i got a 13 yr old too don t moan at me about struggling to get on a bus these buses weren t in use when he was small, try looking after a disabled child with no water proofing for there wheel chair then you ve got some thing to moan about ,, DISCRIMINATION you make me laugh ,, you will never know what that word means ,,,
76

The real dracula,

12/02/2009 19:10:56
#82 apparently mums think that having a healthy baby puts them in a special vulnerable group.

I dont think many of us get that but they obviously think it means they are disadvantaged and discriminated agaisnt ,,,,,,,,work that one out if you can
77

The real dracula,

13/02/2009 21:42:21
#84 yes babies can be seen as vulnerable but generally they dont go out on their own without their parents/gurdians who protect their vulnerability.
The adults with them are not vulnerable therfor the two together are normal healthy people.
78

bathwater,

edinburgh 21/02/2009 23:32:31
As a bus driver i totally support the ban on prams. Actually it's not just prams it's also some of the foldy up pushchairs. Anyway, the point is, why should I have to drive some lazy mum around, even if she is struggling to carry about a bairn and her shopping, and probably just gave birth so isnae feeling the best. She probably has got a 4x4 at home idling in the driveway of her mansion and is too lazy even to drive it about and do me out of a job. Or she's one of them spongers just having kids to get free money aff the state - who wants them on public transport? i would prefer my bus to be empty, just like the nice big space reserved for wheelchairs - cos they hardly ever get on. Just the way i like it! i'm never on time anyway and get really nasty if you havnae got the exact change. we could teach them in europe a thing or two about how to run buses!
79

disgusted!,

edinburgh 22/08/2009 19:21:32
omg! seriously people...get a grip. i am neither lazy nor a young mum. prams couldnt get on buses before as there was nowhere for them to go!

i AM the granny, of an 8 week old baby. and its a disgrace to say people should walk everywhere because they have a pram!

firstly, within walking distance is fine. but how dare you narrow minded readers...think that a new mum...or any mum...should walk from one side of edinburgh to the other.

secondly...having my own mother in wheelchair for 20 odd years...i fully understand the implications of disabled people getting on the bus. most of whom, i have to add, are appalled at this 'discrimination'. which it clearly is.

and i can bet most of you either dont have babies...or can drive. we cant all do that! as long as pram users are willing to get off the bus if a wheelchair user wants to get on, then its a compromise! and a fair one at that.

lets take this to the court of human rights, i can bet we would win!

 

Comment on this Story

 

In order to post comments you must Register or Sign In

 
 
 
  

 
 


Sister Newspapers:
Press Complaints Commission

This website and its associated newspaper adheres to the Press Complaints Commission’s Code of Practice. If you have a complaint about editorial content which relates to inaccuracy or intrusion, then contact the Editor by clicking here.

If you remain dissatisfied with the response provided then you can contact the PCC by clicking here.