Help Sitemap Home Skip Navigation Contact Us Disability Statement


Tartan Army to shun Olympic Team GB

Click on thumbnail to view image
Click on thumbnail to view image
Click on thumbnail to view image
Click on thumbnail to view image
Click on thumbnail to view image

Published Date: 31 May 2009
THE Tartan Army will shun the all-England Team GB when it takes to the field at the London Olympics.
Scotland supporters will adopt a stance of "passionate indifference" to the side that will represent the whole of the UK at the 2012 event, leading fans said last night.

Supporters' groups had been bitterly opposed to a British team competing at t
he Games, saying the event could set a precedent that would jeopardise the independence of football associations in Scotland, England, Northern Ireland and Wales.

However, last week the Scottish Football Association reached a compromise with the English FA for a Team GB to go ahead – but without any players from the Celtic nations.

Hamish Husband, spokesman for the Association of Tartan Army Clubs, said the British side should not count on any support from north of the Border. He added: "Scotland supporters won't be watching these games, so we won't be cheering on Team GB. Our attitude is going to be one of passionate indifference. Olympic football has never exactly been electrifying."

Tartan Army clubs up and down Scotland had been drafted in by the SFA to help oppose plans for a single British team representing all four home nations. Husband said he felt the SFA's compromise was "unforgivable". "They have come under an avalanche of political pressure both from Gordon Brown and from some international football authorities," he said. "But we have always been passionately against a Team GB.

"The way we look at it, Team GB is bad for supporters of all the home nations, including England. If there had been a Team GB back in the 1960s, England fans would never have seen Bobby Charlton pull on a white English shirt.

"Your national football loyalties are all about the country you come from. Nobody would ever get excited about a British side in the Olympics. I would never support a Team GB. If there was a British team up against Brazil and the British team was made up of 11 Scots I would still support Brazil."

The SFA last week admitted it had held secret talks with sister organisations in England, Northern Ireland and Wales after being asked by Fifa, the world soccer governing body, to sort out the 2012 Olympic debacle. The British Olympic Association was determined to field a team in the football tournament.

Nationalist MSP Christine Grahame has called for the resignation of Gordon Smith, the SFA chief executive, saying his compromise threatened the future of both the Scottish national side and the Scottish league set-up.





Page 1 of 1

  • Last Updated: 30 May 2009 6:59 PM
  • Source: Scotland On Sunday
  • Location: Scotland
  • Related Topics: London Olympics 2012
 
1

The Online Scot,

Scotland 30/05/2009 21:27:59
"However, last week the Scottish Football Association reached a compromise with the English FA for a Team GB to go ahead – but without any players from the Celtic nations."

No they didn't, for the simple reason that they dont's have the mandate to speak for the other Celtic nations.

Anyway, this isn't exactly a world scoop. If it is then 'Pope won't be supporting Rangers' is one as well.
2

FerryPort,

31/05/2009 00:17:23
I am totally gobsmacked
GB?
Eff right off
My football heart is aching
It has hit the floor
Thank you fnn Brown
What was the benefit?
Gutted
Will not watch one match
It's hard enough to watch our team doing their best for Scots, but this is pure and utter P@SH

you can take our football but ye'll hae to give it back mate
3

Gorach,

The Canny man's 31/05/2009 00:36:29
Listen lads, you can't have it all ways. There is going to be a GB football team. So either a team is made up of players from the 4 nations or it is not. A 4 nation team would have been the best with guarantees that the footabll associations would continue to be respected and recognized after. But if Scotland wants no part of it,then let the English represent GB and wish them well.
4

JG,

Fife 31/05/2009 01:19:52
A better solution, which would also save everyone a shed load of money, is to do away with sports like football and tennis in the Olympics. The Games are turning into an unmanageable behemoth and we should ditching sports like that. Somebody once said that if your main purpose in your chosen sport ISN'T winning a gold medal, then it shouldn't be part of the Olympics!
5

Vertish Hill,

Ottawa 31/05/2009 01:27:59
Must be the round ball mentality!!
The whole country is just getting fired up behind the British & Irish Lions and I don't hear any whining about having a mixed side.
Suck it up and give it a try.Once again we have the potential to miss out on something positive because of the "aye been" brigade.
I suppose no-one will be at Gleneagles for the Ryder Cup unless there are 12 Scots in the side!!!!!

6

Jimmy Fae the West,

Hull 31/05/2009 02:00:29
I just loved the way this was covered on the Beeb yesterday. Even if the FAs had all agreed they had already selected a team full of Englishmen including Walcott and Rooney and one token unnamed player from each of the minor nations.

The SNP campaign managers have to have been running this propaganda coup?

I expect Charles Young to be covering this with gusto on behalf of BBC extreme north.
7

Iainbroch,

31/05/2009 02:11:41
re5

No they are not, Rugby is a minority sport in Scotland. As for the Golf well only those who have the luxury of money and can take a sickie from thier employment will be able to view that. But then Golf is also played with a round ball???

I guess you cant really be a Canadian as most I have met dont demonstrate your level of ignorance. It is the kind of response I would expect from a Union Guff!
8

troonjambo,

Troon 31/05/2009 02:25:31
Vertish Hill #5:

I usually have a lot of time for comments from our friends in Canada. However this is too important an issue to be lumped in with ANY other sport. There have been many interesting and insightful comments on this subject over a long period of time. Anyone who wishes to tell us that we should bow to the wishes of the English FA and the British government should make sure they fully understand the whole argument before commenting. If anyone can come up with reasoned arguments which use other sports to explain to me why we should support the entry of a British team in these, or any other Olympics I will gladly discuss this with them. Oooops - I forgot - the British government and the english FA won't be bothered about the subject once the British Olympics are over, will they? Interstingly the Canadians play in the same Ice Hockey league as the Americans. With tongue firmly planted in cheek, may I suggest that Canada joins with the USA to compete at the Winter Olympics? It is only a game after all!
9

donald,

glasgow 31/05/2009 06:20:13
#5
I don't support a GB anything, including Gordon Broon.
10

donald,

glasgow 31/05/2009 06:21:09
#5
I don't support a GB anything, including Gordon Broon.

I would support anyone playing Team GB at tiddleywinks.
11

,

31/05/2009 06:59:13
Comment Removed By Administrator
Reason:
12

John S,

31/05/2009 07:10:59
'Scotland' at the Olympics
Scotland was invited to take part in the 1908 games, along with Wales and Ireland. Special clauses in the games rules continued into 1912 to allow countries to submit four teams - specifically to allow Scotland, Wales, Ireland and England to all enter football teams.
1908:(London Games) Scotland competed as a separate team in hockey and in cycling - winning a medal at hockey in 1908
1912 (Stockholm Games) Scotland competed alongside England and Ireland in the Road Cycling - coming fourth in the team event.

GB football and the Olympic games.
1900 GB-This team was made up entirely of players from Upton Park Football Club, London
1908 GB-This team was made up entirely of English players.
1912 GB-The Football Association entered an England national amateur team to represent England.
2012 GB-This team will be made up of entirely of English players.

When the Olympics were held in London in 1908, a “British” side won gold although all 11 were English in a team organised by the FA. They retained the title in 1912, by which time the name was changed to “England”.(the IOC accredits Great Britain and Ireland with the medal, however the team was explicitly an England team, wearing the English national strip).
13

Mikko,

Drumnadrochit 31/05/2009 08:22:39
All it will be is "pretty boys" like Beckham. Waste of time.
14

Mikey,

31/05/2009 08:27:36
#13, naw, it's gonna be under 21s. Please let them play a game at Hampden.......
15

Mikko,

Drumnadrochit 31/05/2009 08:48:05
#15 Lol! They haven't got the *****cks.
16

The Tin Man,

31/05/2009 08:56:16
'Scottish rugby fans shun British Lions'. Erm... no.

'Scotland shuns GB Olympic athletic team'. Erm... no.

Yaaaaaaaawn.
17

EPH,

Kent 31/05/2009 09:12:24
'Tartan Army to shun Olympic Team GB' I am sure they will not be needed.
18

All Politicians are the same,

Scotland 31/05/2009 09:13:47
Who actally said this? Missing a few thousand out of 60 million.
19

lachlan,

31/05/2009 09:20:40
#5
its not the same is it.as the name suggest its the british and 'irish' lions not just the home nations.anyway i am not particulary in favour of the lions since rugby went professional.it just seems its the only way to produce a team that on a regular basis can give the southerine hemisphere teams a decent game.
20

Pilrig,

Livingston 31/05/2009 09:23:01
14 - suffering from the cringe ?
21

Pilrig,

Livingston 31/05/2009 09:23:58
17 - fitba supporters shun Mickey Mouse Olympic comp.
22

For Scotlands Future,

31/05/2009 09:48:24
"THE Tartan Army will shun the all-England Team GB when it takes to the field at the London Olympics.
Scotland supporters will adopt a stance of "passionate indifference" to the side that will represent the whole of the UK at the 2012 event, leading fans said last night"

What a load of rubbish. "Passionate Indifference"??

In Scotland we support two teams. Our own national team - and whoever is playing England.

I don't see that changing for "Team GB", which is nothing more than a political stunt by the Labour Party trying to "get one back" at the SNP.

BTW: "Leading Fans"??? Are these fans who are "experts".
23

mr broon,

Edinburgh 31/05/2009 09:50:52
Members of the Scotland Travel Club are not telling
the truth?

Football has never been one of the main sports at the Olympics but you can bet your bottom dollar that tens of thousands of the Tartan Army will be watching Team GB.....and supporting the opposition!
24

For Scotlands Future,

Vote for the SNP 31/05/2009 09:54:14
#3
So we get Maggie Brown to persuade FIFA to allow a "Team GB", and so according to you we must sit on our hands and accept it.

It is a political stunt by the Labour Party who lost control of Holyrood and want to "embarrass" the SNP. They can't do it politically, so they try this.
25

The Former Mr. Angry,

Perth 31/05/2009 09:58:13
Pathetic schoolboy debating stuff from Broon. If he can't win politically he'll take our ball away. Puke.
26

,

31/05/2009 10:08:50
Comment Removed By Administrator
Reason:
27

Westfield Bairns,

Falkirk 31/05/2009 10:21:03
Gordon Smith should resign, however since i don't normally watch the Olympics this should give me some interest.

Anyone playing Team England will have the support of the Scots and yes they will be Team England and not a UK team

NO TO TEAM GB
28

Greig frae oz,

31/05/2009 10:24:09
Quite simply put you can get your knickers in a twist all you like it wont change a thing, the political tide is turning but the footballing tide never changed.
the only thin we will support team GB in is a suicide bid.
The oldest international in the world is Scotland-England, no one will ever change Scottish passion for only Scotland.
If you cant understand that type of passion, Scotland is not the place for you.
29

Colkitto,

River Clyde 31/05/2009 10:25:19
Don't know about anyone else, but I won't be adopting a stance of "passionate indifference"
I will be going along to boo the GB side !

Also, Smith and Peat should resign immediately !!!
30

John S,

31/05/2009 10:41:59
#14 Rulesbutnotrulers:-
The Tartan Army have won awards from UEFA for their combination of vocal support, friendly nature and charity work.
The Tartan Army have been awarded a Fair Play prize by the Belgian Olympic Committee and were named as the best supporters during the 1992 European Championship.
The fans were also presented with a trophy for non-violence in sport and were voted by journalists to be the best supporters for their sense of fair play and sporting spirit at the 1998 World Cup in France.
Countries drawn against Scotland often welcome the arrival of their fans.
http://tinyurl.com/lmq5fr
31

yoric,

31/05/2009 11:01:58
Are any of the Scottish/Welsh players good enough to make the side?
32

W Smith,

Middle East 31/05/2009 11:12:41
If Barry Ferguson gets picked for Team GB Gordon Smith should resign!
33

Reject London,

DUNDEE 31/05/2009 11:16:31
To hell with the LONDON olympics and anything to do with Team Gordon Brown.

More important things like ensuring Labour get destroyed at this Thursday's election!
34

Jimmy Le Pie,

31/05/2009 12:02:39
#34 Gruppenfurher Smith,

Which team will you be supporting at the Olympic Football thingy???

An all white team????
35

Media at One,

31/05/2009 13:02:48
Hamish Husband said they could count on no support from North of the border.
Speak for yourself Mr Bigot!
Not all Scots were brought up in a home preaching hatred for England. Not all Scots are as narrow minded as Mr Husband, so NOT all Scots will boycott the team. Real Scots will look on with pride and note that the lack of Scottish players is down to our own unprofessionalism and lack of talent.
I am sick and tired of the whinging racist nationalist approach to life. It saps the energy out of Scotland on a daily basis and makes us appear as if we are all misguided yobs with nothing more to do than hate England. It is pathetic to say the least!
A British Football team at the olympics will be an awesome addition to the tournament and any self respecting Scot will be happy to back the Team GB!
Those who cant, well too bad, maybe they should take their racist, bigotted, discriminatory claptrap elsewhere because it will not be welcome in my world!!
In fact, one of my good friends George has already told me that any person who disrespects team GB will be thrown out of his pub on the spot..We cannot have tartan army nuisance.
36

Media at One,

31/05/2009 13:25:48
Can there be anything more nauseating than a nationalist Tartan Army member? It is not so much the call for independence that makes the average Scottish Nationalist so cringe worthy, it the rationale they adopt for independence that makes them so entirely repellent.
But worse still is the Tartan Army Nationalist – Here we have a person who is so utterly convinced that England is the enemy, they will cheer louder for an English loss than they would for a Scottish win.
Being Scottish means being British and that is all there is to it. You may not wish to call your self a Brit and that is fine, but DON'T state that all people north of the border are anti English enough to turn against a British team. That some people who call themselves Scots would support Iran, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, and Argentina over team GB tells you all you need to know about the level of hate these idiots harbour.
37

Iain Mac,

31/05/2009 13:35:28
#38 'being Scottish means being British'. That's not all there is to it. Even under the union, we have seperate legal and education systems. We have further control over our own affairs under devolution. Some of us seek to have control over all our affairs - like many other small nations. This is anti-English any more than the Norwegians are anti-Danish.

Most Scots do NOT see themselves as British.
38

,

31/05/2009 13:39:58
Comment Removed By Administrator
Reason:
39

Media at One,

31/05/2009 13:40:18
Ian Mac - Your Swedish-Danish analogy is rubbish, they are not in a union together.
You may not see yourself as British, but then that is your problem. I chose to support team GB because Britain is part of my heritage. The men and women from Wales, Scotland, N.Ireland and Wales as part of a British army who laid their lives on the line so that all of us could enjoy freedom is something I respect, so excuse me for not adopting your blinkered approach, but I will stand up salute and support team GB.
And I will do so as a proud Scot!
40

Media at One,

31/05/2009 13:50:19
We'll walk a million miles oh B R I - H I - T I N
41

European Scot,

31/05/2009 13:51:57
A British presence at the Olympics is meaningless to many Scots, apart from the obvious Unionist brigade, as witnessed above.
The Union flag, and that god awful National Anthem, have never, nor will they ever, represent me or my country of birth.
I wish to see Scotland, and the other home Nations representing themselves at the Olympics, and would have much more respect, and a far greater interest in each of them if they did so.
Watching a group of athletes marching behind a Union flag, or one standing on a podium whilst 'God save the Queen' belts out, is something in which I have no emotional or spiritual involvement, it is totally meaningless and quite irrelevant.
What is far more important about this specific issue is that the Scots acceptance of a place in Team 'GB', could actually seriously undermine the future status of Scotland's National Team.
The idea that participation in such a non event at the Olympics could be used as a weapon to dismantle the 'home' Nation presence in future International football competition, is simply not acceptable.
Even the slightest risk of that happening isn't worth Scotland's inclusion in this not very highly rated football event.
The World Cup is far more important, even if it does tend to remain just a spectator sport for Scottish players !
There have been better Scottish teams in the past, and there will be again in the future.
The whole point about this issue is in preserving that future.
42

Ugly George,

Edinburgh 31/05/2009 13:54:52
People are entitled to their own preferences and loyalties and they can decide for themselves what they are. In this case Hamish Husband has demonstrated astonishing arrogance in asserting that he speaks or everybody in Scotland.

Having said that, the ranting and fuss of some of these posts makes one despair over reasoned discussion on these threads. As host nation, the UK is granted an automatic place in any Olympic team event. In the case of football the FAs of Scotland, Wales and NI were given the opportunity to participate if they wanted to but chose not to. Fair enough - that is their decision and it is respected. So why all the fuss and rabid ranting.
43

European Scot,

31/05/2009 14:05:26
44 Ugly George

Good afternoon once again !

"As host nation, the UK is granted an automatic place in any Olympic team event."

Err, since when was the 'UK' a Nation ?
44

Geoff Clee,

31/05/2009 14:06:00
There is no such organisation as the "English FA". It is called the Football Association. Only the imitators who followed its birth in 1863 use national names
45

Media at One,

31/05/2009 14:13:04
European Scot

Confusing! You are not happy to be known as a British Scot, but a European Scot you can deal with. Interesting, but typical of the indoctrinated mind that shames Scotland on a daily basis.
Do you feel the same disgust when Europe under another Union flag play America in the Ryder Cup? Of course not, because anti Englishness is not so much part of the higher agenda in that instance.
Do you turn of the television in dusgust when a Scottish international rugby player scores a scintillating try for the British and Irish Lions? Actually it doesnt matter what you do, no real Scot cares for Scots such as you.
And to believe that the home nations are jeapordising their future by participating in the olympics is nonsense. If it was such a problem they would take away their status now, they would'nt need the olympics.
46

Media at One,

31/05/2009 14:31:44
I am completely behind Team GB but very hurt that Scottish players will not get the chance to play for the side. I imagine that many Scottish Internationals are gutted about not being able to qualify, after all when you play the game at their level the chance of an Olympic medal is a real challenge and one they would probably cherish the chance to win.
47

Pilrig,

Livingston 31/05/2009 14:39:42
27 - like rugby-orientated Embra ? : )
48

,

31/05/2009 14:40:59
Comment Removed By Administrator
Reason:
49

Pilrig,

Livingston 31/05/2009 14:41:22
34 - if BF gets picked for Team GB it'll be a miracle !
50

Pilrig,

Livingston 31/05/2009 14:42:58
37 - where's George's boozer ? Larkhall ?
51

Pilrig,

Livingston 31/05/2009 14:45:02
38 - you'll be wanting an all-Brit team in the World Cup & Euro Championship ? G. Broon & J. Murphy would like that as well, but they daren't admit it.
52

Pilrig,

Livingston 31/05/2009 14:46:50
40 'fellow yam-supporting friends'. you mean Lord Foulkes of the 3 saleries
53

European Scot,

31/05/2009 14:49:48
47 Media at One

"You are not happy to be known as a British Scot, but a European Scot you can deal with. Interesting, but typical of the indoctrinated mind that shames Scotland on a daily basis."

I am a European Scot geographically, it's where I live.
I wouldn't wish to be called a British anything thank you.
The indoctrinated mind you refer to that shames Scotland on a daily basis would be better identified as certain Union flag waving bigots masquerading as football supporters.

I have no particular interest in Ryder cups, nor in British and Irish Lions.
Interesting that you are quite happy to acknowledge the 'and Irish' bit, but don't see Scotland in quite the same way.

" Do you turn 'of' the television in 'dusgust' when a Scottish international rugby player scores a scintillating try for the British and Irish Lions?

The Television wouldn't be on in the first place, anything involving British wouldn't hold any particular interest for me, I simply wouldn't be supporting such a thing.

I do actually support Scotland, and will always support my country.
A great many people around the World were more than happy to ditch British rule over their countries, and I would stand amongst them in that regard.

Blatter made it quite clear that Scotland putting forward players for a British football team at the Olympics would put the home Nations status at risk, there is no nonsense about that.
54

Pilrig,

Livingston 31/05/2009 14:49:53
51 - and they can shove the Scotland caps as well. Step forward Kris Boyd !
55

,

31/05/2009 14:50:34
Comment Removed By Administrator
Reason:
56

Media at One,

31/05/2009 14:51:08
You can tell by the posts above that Scots are slowly beginning to tire of the anti English nonsense that sees our country becomming known as a whinging little nuisance with nothing better to do.
It is heartening to see the support that decent Scottish folk are offering for team GB.
57

Pilrig,

Livingston 31/05/2009 14:52:02
I can imagine a young Scottish footballer of promising ability boo-hooing into his pint "The nasty SFA don't want me to play in the Olympics"
58

Pilrig,

Livingston 31/05/2009 14:53:49
57 - chant for Team GB , "There'll always be an England, and England will be free...."
59

,

31/05/2009 14:56:24
Comment Removed By Administrator
Reason:
60

Media at One,

31/05/2009 15:00:36
European Scot -

Ok your entitled to your opinion. I suppose I am lucky, I wasnt indoctrinated and filled with hate for the English so I guess it is easy for me to be mature about the issue.
Nevertheless, moving along!
You appear to be giving Blatter power he does'nt own. FIFA need to be careful not to upset the hierachy of world football or they could see their grip on world football put in danger. Forget Blatter telling us that the SFA may lose it's status, if FIFA tries to dismantle the independent unions in Britain they may be tampering with a monster that will come back to bite them. Blatter is a fool, a corrupt demi god who believes he owns the game, but we all know he doesnt.
Let him try and remove a status that has stood for over 85 years and he will soon find out how quickly his tenure is over.
61

Media at One,

31/05/2009 15:24:13
European Scot -

And think about this when the issue gets to court.
FIFA offer 32 nations the opportunity to play on the world stage, but they remove the chances of success for smaller nations by adopting a seeding system that is designed to look after the glory nations at the expense of the not so glory.
Surely FIFA cannot successfully argue their defence of a system designed to cater for the few at the expense of the many? Following qualification ALL 32 teams should be considered equal and put into one big hat. But no, FIFA protect the giants from each other - surely this can be viewed as illegal or flawed? And what about UEFA and their CHAMPIONS LEAGUE? Surely the Champions of each and every European nation should go into the last 32 before any 2nd or 3rd placed giant?
My point is that FIFA and UEFA apply certain rules that can be used against them and any change to their current system puts their grip on power in jeapordy. Dont be fooled, law can be tough and it's on our side in this instance. FIFA and UEFA could be wiped out in one court case so they better be ready.
62

sar,

edinburgh 31/05/2009 15:30:16
May i remind people that it is the British and Irish Lions rugby team, and the bi-annual golf event that will be played in Gleneagles is a Europe team. Neither are solely British teams.
63

European Scot,

31/05/2009 15:34:39
62 Media at One

"I suppose I am lucky, I wasnt indoctrinated and filled with hate for the English so I guess it is easy for me to be mature about the issue."

I have never been indoctrinated as you put it, nor have I been brought up to hate.
Allow me to correct you on what appears to be an assumption, I am most definitely not anti English, I actually have English family and many friends in England.
Anti-British is not anti English.
This is one of the results of the Union, British and English have become synonymous. Living in France and Spain has shown me that, Britain translates as Angleterre / Inglaterra.
So my comments may be seen as anti-British, but I am certainly not anti English, quite the opposite.
The pressure to change the status of the home nations comes from other countries who have bought into this 'UK', or 'GB' thing, and regard Scotland as a region within it. They see it as unfair having several teams representing what they view as one country, and they are the ones putting pressure on Blatter.
He doesn't want to feed that impression, by having a combined presence representing 'Team GB'.
64

troonjambo,

Troon 31/05/2009 15:36:11
Media at One:

We are all entitled to our opinions, unfortunateley though some people think their opinion is always superior and more suitable than others'. It all depends on your opinion on what is normal. For example you appear convinced that you have a right to tell those of us who don't want to be British that we are wrong, spiteful and hateful - not to mention indoctrinated. In my humble opinion you are as indoctrinated as I am. We just have different points of view which have been formed by different influences - not indoctrination.

Doctor Death:

Many of your Hearts supporting friends may well want to support this GB team. Most of my Hearts supporting friends do not - so you don't speak for me either.

Why do you people always see eveything as black and white. I have no problem with people wanting to support a GB team ( apart from worrying about the implications for our future Scotland football teams). Just don't tell me who I should and shouldn't support!
65

Ugly George,

Edinburgh 31/05/2009 15:41:37
55 European Scot
"I am a European Scot geographically, it's where I live.I wouldn't wish to be called a British anything thank you."

You are being selective with your descriptions. You state that you are a "European scot" geographically. Fair enough. But the name Britain comes from the Latin Britannia which was the name given to the island. This predates either Scotland or England. So if you are a European scot geographically, you must, according to your definitions, also be a British Scot geographically. You may not like the description but it is the only logical interpretation of your position.

PS - that is unless you live elsewhere in Europe.
66

Voldemort,

Edinburgh 31/05/2009 15:45:44
I had to laugh that this quote 'Olympic football has never exactly been electrifying.'

How can any football game be 'electrifying' when in the vast majority of the games played result only in overrated spoilt brats just running about for 90 mins sometimes not even scoring 1 goal ?

Football is a very, very boring game.
67

,

31/05/2009 15:48:39
Comment Removed By Administrator
Reason:
68

Pilrig,

Livingston 31/05/2009 15:58:34
61 - sfc ?
69

Gorach,

Breakfast in Meadowbank 31/05/2009 16:00:55
#8
Dont forget, the gold medal GB Olympic curling team a few years ago was the Scottish team.

I have travelled much in Canada. In regards to North American ice hockey, the NHL was a Canadian invention with its headquarters in Montreal.
The National in NHL refers to Canada not the USA.
All the players used to be and most still are Canadian. Over time more more teams were added to the big US cities.The headquarters moved to New York in 1980 because the majotity US owners approved the move. This move irked the Canadians.There are more US teams than Canadian teams for market size reasons.Most Canadians think the NHL has ruined itself with too many teams and too many games. Canada still produces the best players.The country is hockey mad.

There will never be one North American Olympic hockey team bcause Canada and the US are separate countries-unlike England and Scotland.

There ye go - as clear as mud!
70

Pilrig,

Livingston 31/05/2009 16:04:15
62 - FIFA and UEFA can be wiped oot in one court case ?

Pull the other one; FIFA are the final word on association fitba. If they wanted to change the shape of the ball from round to oval it's in their power to do so. And if the majority of members decide that there should be only one UK particpant in the World Cup qualifications, then there's diddly squat any court in the land could do aboot it.
71

Pilrig,

Livingston 31/05/2009 16:06:13
68 if you want boredom try American fitba
72

European Scot,

31/05/2009 16:06:30
67 Ugly George

" So if you are a European scot geographically, you must, according to your definitions, also be a British Scot geographically "

You seem to be combining History, Geography and Politics here.
I am currently, in this modern day and age, geographically European.
I would have thought that in modern geo-political terms, the 'UK' being a member of the EU, would place Britain in Europe.
Or do your maps still have lots of pink all over them ?!

I'll be more than happy to settle for just being a Scot soon enough !
73

,

31/05/2009 16:11:20
Comment Removed By Administrator
Reason:
74

Satire above all,

31/05/2009 16:14:37
Speak for yourself mate...and please don't have the audacity to suggest that I, as a Scot, will be offering my support to a either a British Lions team, or a Ryder Cup team. YOu couldn't be further from the truth - in fact I will be shouting for any team from no matter what country who is in opposition to any team that comes under the British banner. And I mean ANY team!

So come on Argentina...come on Paraguay...come on France...come on Croatia...come on Germany...yes Germany...come on the Aussies...come on the good ol' USA...GETRIGHTINTAEEM!
75

Media at One,

31/05/2009 16:14:41
When visiting Scotland a tourist is besieged with information about Scottish defiance of England. It is evident when visiting Scotland, that England is the enemy. I remember an American visiting Edinburgh; he happened to be in the pub on the day England were playing Portugal in the European Championships. He was astounded to note that the masses entering the pub to watch the game were not coming to watch Scotland. Only when the teams took to the field did he ask where Scotland was. I explained that Scotland had not qualified and that the game we were about to watch was England vs. Portugal. But his biggest surprise came when Luis Figo hit the back of the net from 25 yards. The place went absolutely mental; there was bedlam and happiness all around. He looked utterly astonished and later said that cheers and reactions such as the ones he witnessed that evening also happen in America, but only when America or an American does something brilliant. In other words, he could not fathom how any nation could cheer so loud when their own country isn’t even on the field. Right there I knew what he meant, I understood how it looked through the eyes of a neutral and I was almost ashamed. He was right, why were we all so completely and utterly immersed in this game when Scotland wasn’t even playing? Were we that sad? The lad himself didn’t mean it like that, he was only making an observation, but his observation made me think. We WERE cheering louder for an English loss than we would do for a Scottish win and that was wrong.
The same sort of thinking is adopted by nationalists. It is not their passion for Scotland that drives them to seek independence, but rather that their animosity for England is so real they cannot accept a partnership in any shape or form.
I suppose Scotland will be ready for independence one day, but not before many of her people can love Scotland without thinking about England.
76

Media at One,

31/05/2009 16:18:54
Satire above all -
We would expect nothing less from you!
77

,

31/05/2009 16:20:22
Comment Removed By Administrator
Reason:
78

Media at One,

31/05/2009 16:25:01
European and British Scot by geographical positioning:

Who do you secretly shout for in the following circumstances - and dont employ that drivel that suggests you don't care because I know you do.

Man United vs Rangers
Werder Bremen vs Rangers
Barcalona vs Celtic
Jenson Button or Rubens Barrichello
Ian Poulter or Phil Mickelson
The British and Irish Lions or the Springboks
England vs Uruguay
England vs Iraq
England vs Pakistan
79

Satire above all,

31/05/2009 16:27:17
I wouldn't shout for any of that lot...fraid you have me in the wrong group...only ONE team I suport matey + SCOTLAND ;-)
80

,

31/05/2009 16:28:09
Comment Removed By Administrator
Reason:
81

Satire above all,

31/05/2009 16:29:21
If pusjed for an answer deinately PAKISTAN IRAQ and URUGUAY..but then you knew that anyway :-)
82

morris,

edinburgh 31/05/2009 16:30:55
27 One of FIFA s most senior people has confirmed (I think it was Joseph S (Sepp) Blatter) ,but my memory may be not 100% accurate confirmed that a GB team would be seen as a weakening of the position of the Four FAs to be recognised as seperate national identities He is only the FIFA President so we shouldn't listen to him should we ?

Scotland cannot send players The fans would never forgive them. Whats happening is bad enough.

Its no secret that all Scotland fans almost (I exclude Rangers)will not only refuse to recognise this team,they will support the other side !
That is reality . Gordon Smith lives on borrowed time,and he is the one who depicts all thats bad in Scottish Football.
83

KampungHighlander,

Jakarta 31/05/2009 16:31:42
Media at One, you seem to be really wrapping yourself in the Butchers Apron today.

You start to seem a little potty when you need to bring up the war.

This is sports by the way, not really all that important in the scheme of things.

Anyways,

What is to stop the team being called "Team England" (because that is what it is) representing the UK.

I think the UK Olympic Association missed a great opportunity to raise money and increase support by not holding a Tournament between the 4 national teams to determine which country would represent the UK.

Personally I look forward to the future when we will see the young people of Scotland proudly marching in the Olympic Parade with other nations as our equals.
84

Davie08,

Edinburgh 31/05/2009 16:33:58
Media one the return of the village idiot.
85

Media at One,

31/05/2009 16:35:22
Satire and Dunedin

Hahahahhahaha!
Aye right!
As if Man United and Rangers were playing and you two would be completely neutral and uninterested. Yeah that's right you would'nt even turn the telly on. hahahahahahaha!
England vs Germany in the world cup and you would'nt care? Aye right!
Oh and Satire, since you ONLY support Scotland perhaps you could explain this post of yours
"So come on Argentina...come on Paraguay...come on France...come on Croatia...come on Germany...yes Germany...come on the Aussies...come on the good ol' USA...GETRIGHTINTAEEM"
hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
86

,

31/05/2009 16:38:05
Comment Removed By Administrator
Reason:
87

Media at One,

31/05/2009 16:41:04
Maybe if Scotland were good at sport the tartan nutters would'nt need to support any team that played England.
Oh but wait - There is another problem. The Edinburgh teams are not as good as the Glasgow teams so there lies another hate filled animosity.
hahahaha!
Independence, aye from each other!
88

,

31/05/2009 16:43:04
Comment Removed By Administrator
Reason:
89

KampungHighlander,

31/05/2009 16:44:33
#80 Media

Since none of those teams or individuals represent Scotland it would be whichever team or individual I had bet money on.

As far as offering support for Rangers or Celtic, well I dislike both of those teams and the sectarianism they represent equally.

It was a pity that you did not include the real life example of Manu U Vs Barcelona because even though I had no money riding on the outcome, I was very happy to see Barcelona win. That would be mostly due to my dislike of the unionist Alex Ferguson.
90

,

31/05/2009 16:45:46
Comment Removed By Administrator
Reason:
91

The Col. of Monte Cristo,

31/05/2009 16:48:35
#5 Vertish Hill

Canada Shares the same half of an Island with the USA and Mexico...How well disposed do you think your countrymen would be to a Joint USA/Mexico/Canada Ice Hockey Team?

Just because there has never been one, doesn't mean it will never happen...Roll on the NAU!


92

Media at One,

31/05/2009 16:55:58
Baggy Trousers

You prove my point perfectly!
You're not actually a passionate Scot, your a passionate English despiser.
And just so we are clear, I am not against independence I am against those who seek it on the basis of their hatred of England.
Quite frankly, the people of Scotland must decide their fate and nobody else.
But encase you forgot, this is about a British football team not the union!
Truth is, Scotland suffers from a hate filled passion! If it isn't a combined hatred for England, it's an East coast hatred of the West coast or a secterian hatred or a public schools vs private schools hatred but always a hatred!
93

,

31/05/2009 16:59:41
Comment Removed By Administrator
Reason:
94

Alathea,

31/05/2009 17:02:30
Oh dear Media@1 you just don't get it do you. You really cannot get to grips with the Anyone but England mentality in Scotland.

I always look forward to England 'not' qualifying for any World or European football competitions because then, I do not have to put up with the inane partisan reporting and commentary that the 'British'(thats English) broadcasters put out to us all. I can then enjoy watching and listening to a match without constant references to Rooney, Charlton, Gazza etc putting me off my pint.
I can then also appreciate punters like Jimmy Hill pointing out the skill sets of both sides playing instead of the 99% usually devoted what Crouch and his cronies had for breakfast.

Scotland and England are two different countries. Live with it.
95

Media at One,

31/05/2009 17:04:59
I can accept a referendum that delivers independence, I can accept a referendum that delivers the union. It makes no difference all that matters is that we all get the chance to move freely, work freely and speak freely!
I can turn on the telly and watch Team GB without being consumed with an inner feeling of hatred for the lads on the park. I can accept rivalry, no reason why a Celtic fan should wish Rangers well, but when it comes to Scotland fans cheering louder for an England loss than they do a Scottish win, it is beyond rivalry.
96

Observer,,

Glasgow 31/05/2009 17:06:52
Media One calm down it's just men in shorts kicking a wee ball about:-)
97

Media at One,

31/05/2009 17:06:59
Alathea #98

If Scotland were good enough to get to a major competition you would'nt need to listen to all that - so in essence your problem is not so much England's success but rather Scotland's lack of it - and you take it out on England!
You should go see someone about that, it can be fixed.
98

,

31/05/2009 17:07:03
Comment Removed By Administrator
Reason:
99

Media at One,

31/05/2009 17:14:51
Observer

I guess you are right, it is only football and the Scots are not very good at it. I suppose all that failure has resulted in a hatred for the bigger next door neighbour.
Must be honest, I have heard more about Archie Gemmill's goal in 1978 from the Scottish media than I have the 1966 win from the English media -
You're right, it's just football - Team GB will be at the olympics, England will be in South Africa for 2010 and the Scots having nobody to support will go for all the teams playing England.
I fancy England to win the 2010 world cup!
100

Alathea,

31/05/2009 17:14:58
So Media@1 you admit to the biased reporting. Thats the first step. Well done. Soon have you cured of your xenophobia.

I have no problem with Scotlands lack of success. I'm well used to it. But eventually we manage somehow to climb the mountain and taste success every now and again. And if its against England, its even sweeter.
101

,

31/05/2009 17:20:03
Comment Removed By Administrator
Reason:
102

Observer,,

Glasgow 31/05/2009 17:23:10
103 As a non footballing person I have to say that I find the Scottish football fan's acceptance that their team is generally rubbish rather charming. They don't expect to win, unlike their English equivalents. I think that is perhaps why there is the anyone but England mentality - because there is an assumption in the media that England must do well, as if by divine right. I don't watch sport, can't stand it, but even I have picked that up.

However I really don't think that betrays anything about the Scots attitude to England off the pitch. I think it is rather silly to presume it does.
103

Media at One,

31/05/2009 17:25:16
Alathea - Erm, biased reporting?

Funny, I always thought England was in Britain and BBC stood for British Broadcasting Corporation - Imagine that eh, the BBC speaking highly and often about their sporting stars! Oh the cheek
104

troonjambo,

Troon 31/05/2009 17:25:29
Doctor Death:

I, too, have reread your comment and accept that I misunderstood/misread it.

I apologise for that and also for including you in a response which should have been concentrating on the nonsense that Media at One spouts.

I really wish Andy Driver luck with the England U21 team and hope he puts in a good display if picked for a game.

105

Media at One,

31/05/2009 17:34:15
Funny how this British football team is causing so much of a stir -
The British cycling team appeared to be a VERY proud moment for Scotland - hmm, funny that!
What a bunch of losers some of you are
Did you see the masses of people cheering for Chris Hoy? Oh yes, those were REAL Scots proud of their man in his British colours.
106

KampungHighlander,

Jakarta 31/05/2009 17:34:47
#71 Gorach

As an obvious fan of Olympic Ice Hockey you will also be aware that until 1963 Canada did not have an National hockey team but simply sent a senior amatuer team to represent the country.

Between 1920 and 1960 Canada was represented at the Olympics by:Winnipeg Falcons, Toronto Granites, University Of Toronto,Winnipeg Hockey Club, Port Arthur Bearcats, RCAF Flyers, Edmonton Mercury's, Kitchener-Waterloo Dutchmen.

Also interesting to note is that Czechoslovakia never achieved better than Olympic silver. It was only after that artificial state had separated into the 2 nations of the Czech Republic and Slovakia, that the Czech Republic was able to win a Gold Medal.

107

Media at One,

31/05/2009 17:44:40
Any way enough of this nonsense!
Team GB is happening and they will receive support from England, some parts of wales, N.Ireland and Scotland. Team GB with their super starts who are famous all over the world will also receive some global support.
And the rest of team GB and the many Scots who will do us proud will also have the support of all true Scottish people. So for the false Scot who turns his back on his fellow Scot and Britain, well each to their own I guess.
108

,

31/05/2009 18:06:07
Comment Removed By Administrator
Reason:
109

Media at One,

31/05/2009 18:13:59
dunedin

Are you for real - If Scotland's international status is under threat then YOU fail to tell me why FIFA need the olympics as an excuse? Surely our international status must already be under threat and therefore, the olympic team is really of no significance.
I have been fortunate enough to watch Scotland on a few occassions, but one thing that will never get the better of me is some anti English stance. I wont have it in my world, it is not part of who I am or what I stand for. Perhaps if you saw the delight on the faces of the many thousands of Scots who cheered with delight for Chris Hoy following his cycling success you would understand that in Scotland, we are proud of our people under the Saltire and the Union Jack.
110

im brian and so is my wife,

edinburgh 31/05/2009 18:18:39
broon kens fine what hes doing,he wants no scotland team,at anything,it stirs up national pride and thus in his eyes ,they may vote snp
like he said "i will do anything to protect the union",so that means voting fixed,smears and lies abound,the truth swept under the carpet etc etc
but still voters trundle along like some mindless zombies,bleating laabbbbooouuur llllaaaaabbbooouur
we neeed to stop them dead in their tracks,any caught fixing elections ,jailed for long time,broons like blair ,tony when asked,who are you supporting england or scotland in a euro 2000 qualifier ,he born in edinburgh said "england",yet he states hes a scot in the simpsons by saying theres a big castle in edinburgh where he was born
i was born in edinburgh and i only vote for the party that is all for bettering scotland,not running her into the ground,lying and cheating,adultery and no doubt sheep worrying
when june the 4th comes ill be watching the faces of labour polititions making excuses after excuses ,having got a thrashing in the elections
111

Media at One,

31/05/2009 18:42:34
The Saltires will swirl in the wind along side the Union flag for many a year to come - take a walk down Princes Street tomorrow and look up at that grand castle and note the flags that fly together. See the same flags outside Hollyrood and salute them.
Cmon TEAM GB! Get intae them.
112

Jimmy Le Pie,

31/05/2009 18:54:19
115

I wouldn't p!sh on the Butchers Apron!!
113

Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 31/05/2009 18:56:49
I think the host nation must field a team in every event. Might be wrong but, if correct, then that is what the politics is all about.

Personally, I would be satisfied with England representing the UK as long as it was officially recognised as England representing the UK - ie in England strips. There is no UK football strip as there is no UK football association.

As for the Olympics, what a heap of excretum it has become. Lost its soul a long time ago. WTF has tennis and football got to do with an athletics showcase?

Anyway, I don't watch the olympics but I care about the independent status of Scottish football. Should we lose that I would probably have to go one better than the ABE brigade (like it really) and join the ABUK or ABGB)as we would all know what caused it.

Think Jack Warner and beware.
114

Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 31/05/2009 19:07:41
The other thing that bugs me about the Olympics is the fact that the hosting of it is awarded to a city and not a country. Same for the mini-me Commonwealth version.

Centralisation writ large.
115

Strathturret,

montrose 31/05/2009 19:24:04
My father spent five years in a German POW camp and I cheered on W Germany in 1966 World Cup Final.

So I won't even watch team GB thank you very much. Who's interested in Olympic football anyway?
116

,

31/05/2009 19:43:09
Comment Removed By Administrator
Reason:
117

,

31/05/2009 20:24:33
Comment Removed By Administrator
Reason:
118

Lady Golightly,

31/05/2009 20:38:21
"They don't expect to win, unlike their English equivalents. I think that is perhaps why there is the anyone but England mentality"

I thought it was because they were sad little muppets who lose a lot.
119

Jim P,

31/05/2009 20:53:52
I will support whoever is in opposition to team England.
120

Observer,,

Glasgow 31/05/2009 21:09:30
122 A genuine laugh out loud. You do kind of make my point for me by ennobling yourself for a moniker on a newspaper web-site. Unless of course you really are a Lady - does anyone have a Burke's Peerage handy ?
121

BorderLineScottish,

31/05/2009 21:10:21
Living in England with a Scottish wife, we used to support each other's national teams, except when playing each other. The daughters didn't know which to support.

On moving to Scotland, I was horrified at the lack of support for England and the support of any of their opposition, no matter who it was!

I even offered to go to the pub with a neighbour to support Scotland in the Euro qualifiers. I was told I wasn't wanted.

So, you can all stick your Tartan Army where the Sun don't shine. You are insignificant, in footballing terms, even my wife won't support Scotland anymore because she was so ashamed at my treatment.

Anti-English, chip-on-the-shoulder bigots!
122

danbob,

31/05/2009 21:28:18
126# Why on earth would you move to Scotland. I agree with what your saying. Honestly I have travelled all over the world in my youth and never experienced such bigotry as displayed by some scots. Not all but a sizeable number. Take the ignoramus at post 124#. It's team GB not England but hey dont let that stop the bigots eating their own.
123

mangrove jack,

in oz till 2011 31/05/2009 21:40:14
A lot of indignation in Scotland about a sport where you are rated around 30th in world standings. Yet nary a peep when the the media refers to Andy Murray rated 3 in the world as "Britains No. 1.

It's about time you lot got your act together and realised that a universally recognised Scottish identity will only be a reality when you have the guts to vote for independence.

124

,

31/05/2009 22:03:03
Comment Removed By Administrator
Reason:
125

Dave Scott,

Broughty Ferry 31/05/2009 22:15:30
True independence is when, as a Scot, you can choose to celebrate an English victory if you want to.
Bigoted tartan fascism is when you can't.

Anti-Englishness does not make anyone more Scottish - in fact anti-Englishness needs and depends on England to a great degree. The day you can cheer for England as loudly as or as quietly as you would for any other non-native team is the day when you will be really free.

A man's a man for a' that


Discuss
126

Jo'Burg Jock,

South Africa 31/05/2009 22:34:27
BorderLineScottish,31/05/2009 21:10:21

You state:-

"On moving to Scotland, I was horrified at the lack of support for England and the support of any of their opposition, no matter who it was!"

In 1981 the English Football Association imposed a ticket ban on all Scots for the International at Wembley.

How's that for bigotry?

127

Jo'Burg Jock,

South Africa 31/05/2009 22:51:10
"Lord grant that Marshall Wade
May by thy mighty aid
Victory Bring
May he sedition hush
And Like a torrent rush
Rebellious Scots to crush
God Save The Queen"

A verse from the English National anthem which was imposed on Scottish Internationals until the seventies.

BorderLineScottish,31/05/2009 21:10:21
States:-

"So, you can all stick your Tartan Army where the Sun don't shine."

Well you know where you can also stick your anthem, and your contrived indignation.
128

Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 31/05/2009 22:54:26
133 Dave Scott,

"True independence is when, as a Scot, you can choose to celebrate an English victory if you want to.
Bigoted tartan fascism is when you can't."

Well said, sir. So you wi8ll no objection to my version of your statement.

True independence is when, as a Scot, you can choose to celebrate an English loss if you want to.

Bigoted unionist fascism is when you can't.

129

Scotindy,

Los Angeles 31/05/2009 23:03:26
I do'nt know what all the fuss is about the result of our Referendum next year will be that SCOTLAND WILL BE IN THE OLYMPIC GAMES AS AN INDEPENDENT NATION IN HER OWN RIGHT ANYWAY.Y ou never know that we could get drawn against gb in the opening round we'll all be watching that one.BETS ANYONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
130

Iainbroch,

31/05/2009 23:18:22
On my travels abroad when I take myself to a bar to watch an international football match, I find that most of the locals with an interest in football will support whoever is playing England. I wonder why that is? Oh I see the rest of the worlds football supporters are anti English chip on the shoulder bigots!

On one trip abroad I watched Chelsea playing Liverpool and most of the locals in Hua Hin Thailand supported Liverpool. So I take it from the warped reasoning of some on this forum that the rest of the world is anti London chips on the shoulders bigots!

For the gentleman? Who experienced problems in viewing a Scotland match may I suggest that his problem was not his Englishness. My own father was English and he never got any grief from the Tartan Army! Anyone who did would have been read the riot act by other Scots! So I suspect that the gentleman who experienced trouble has some character flaw that results in him getting right up peoples noses?

I suspect that there is an element here that for reasons best known to themselves and their political masters is doing all they can to smear the Tartan Army. Are we to assume that those English supporters that don’t want a Team GB are anti British chip on the shoulder bigots! What do you make of those in Northern Ireland perhaps the most Unionist of all the home nations and they don’t want a Team GB either – french fry your tiny brains on that!

Could it be that the real chip on the shoulder bigots are the little Britishers.
131

Pilrig,

Livingston 31/05/2009 23:19:25
80;
I'd shout for Man U
Werder Bremen
Barcelona
Couldn't give a damn.
Poulter (cos Mickelson's a stuck-up pr*t)
Not interested
Uruguay
Iraq
Pakistan
132

Pilrig,

Livingston 31/05/2009 23:22:26
121 the great game of fitba. Not rugby, not golf, not (yawn) athletics but the great game of fitba. Something the proponents of Team GB XI don't take into account.
133

Pilrig,

Livingston 31/05/2009 23:24:49
130 that's us telt.
anyway respect to Andy Murray - good Hibby.
134

mangrove jack,

in oz till 2011 01/06/2009 02:22:04
It's not just the Scots you know. The Aussies and the Kiwis would support North Korea or anyone versus England.

Your ugly media and perceived "your up yourself" attitude are two of the main contributors to your unpopularity.

My advice is; stop demanding to be loved and hire a bloody good PR consultant.
135

Vertish Hill,

ottawa 01/06/2009 04:10:45
#95 The Col. of Monte Cristo,

I didn't know that North America was an island.Thanks for that. I also didn't know that if you divided it up three ways we would each get half. Are you a politician?

I think you will find that Canada, USA and Mexico are all different, self governing countries.

My point is that how come it's acceptible to blend our countries together in some sports and get behind the team, but as soon as we mention football,well, thats a no, no.

Anyway, I would think that the Tartan Army deserve the chance to savour the occasional victory, when it matters. They get precious few following Scotland.

136

Cpt Incredible,

Edinburgh 01/06/2009 08:46:16
I'm normally totally indifferent to the Olympics as my country is not represented.
In this instance I will actually take an interest,and cheer on whoever team GB is playing.
All my Scotland,Hearts and every other team supporting friends will be doing the same.
Thank goodness I move in circles where there are no cringeworthy Unionist Rangers supporters around.
137

Gorach,

Back in Oban 01/06/2009 13:02:24
110
Aye and Canada was not allowed to use NHL players in the Olympics until 1998 and even then their best players were often not available.

The so called world championships are a joke -held when Canadas best are in the NHL playoffs.

The best events were the old Canada Cups held in September wheh the best players from all nations were available. Canada won all except one.

2 best sports in the world - football and ice hockey
138

Electric Hermit,

01/06/2009 14:58:30
It is totally pointless to debate whether people "should" or "should not" support one team or another. It is not a matter of rational choice. You go where your heart leads you.

I will not be supporting any "Team GB". My heart would not let me.
139

Charley,

US of A 01/06/2009 18:48:12
Scotland = racist. scotland = backward bottom feeding place of no hope and land no personal responsibiliy. scotland = up its own...you guessed it.
140

Pilrig,

Livingston 01/06/2009 18:54:29
Charley, from the land that gave the world the KKK.
141

Dún Aenghus,

01/06/2009 18:59:23
Scotland is ruled from London.The queen of England is the monarch of Scotland and the English flag flies over Edinburgh castle.So! whats all the fuss about?
142

Dún Aenghus,

01/06/2009 19:05:27
#148 pilrig. What about the orange order in Scotland?
143

Charley,

US of A 01/06/2009 22:55:44
Pilrig, ouch...thats those crazy guys south of the mason-dixon. I'm a Yankee. I've seen you scotch in action and most recently on me for not being a fattie, shaven head, beer-bellied, second rate race...I was too tanned I think....i do love irn-bru.
144

Charley,

Yankee land... 01/06/2009 23:04:37
och aye the noo...hoots man I lost me heed. Um, you'll never take me freedom...well, for some gold and a bit a land I will...flower of scotchland, tartan pants, we gave the world gratvity and the sun, um, I'm scoootish no english pal, rabbie 'wa thay hootd is he saying', 'doonee know lets look like weese knows', um, haggis and buckfast..I love scotchland. As I reach 35,000 feet heading west.
145

Dún Aenghus,

02/06/2009 22:35:02
Scotland is a sectarian backwater,completely depending on England for its very crust of bread.Scots are Englishmen with Scottish accents!
146

Gorach,

Oban 02/06/2009 23:55:10
Och Charlie lad, dinnae forget that half the signers of the American declaration of Independace were Scots.

153
Scotland is part of GB but has her own parliament and legal system, the Queen is Queen of Great Britain not England and the Union Jack flys over Edinburgh castle not the flag of St.George.
Get yer facts straight laddie!


 

Comment on this Story

 

In order to post comments you must Register or Sign In

 
 
 
  

 
 


Sister Newspapers:
Press Complaints Commission

This website and its associated newspaper adheres to the Press Complaints Commission’s Code of Practice. If you have a complaint about editorial content which relates to inaccuracy or intrusion, then contact the Editor by clicking here.

If you remain dissatisfied with the response provided then you can contact the PCC by clicking here.