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Published Date: 12 November 2008
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A UNITED Kingdom football team could take part in the 2012 Olympics without damaging the future of the home nations teams, according to Scots Secretary Jim Murphy.

Scottish football bosses have opposed the creation of a 'Team GB' for the London, fearing it could jeopardise the independence of the home nations within international governing body FIFA.

But Scots Secretary Murphy reported today that FIFA general secretary Jerome Valcke has given him a "reassurance" that a joint UK team in 2012 would have no impact on the Scotland team, or the other three home nations.

Murphy told BBC Radio Scotland's Good Morning Scotland: "Scottish teenagers of today can be the Olympians of 2012 and can do so safe in the knowledge that the Scottish national team is safe.

"The proposal is for a UK team as a one-off in the Olympics in London in 2012 for players under the age of 23."

As a football fan, Murphy had shared concerns about the impact a UK side might have on Scotland's status.

But he added: "That's why I met Jerome Valcke and told him of my concerns and the concerns of many Scots."

Prime Minister Gordon Brown has already called for a British football team for the Games in London in 2012.

But Scottish First Minister Alex Salmond has dismissed the idea, saying it would jeopardise Scotland's future as an independent football side.

Tory leader David Cameron said on Sunday there was "merit" in the idea and suggested staging a home tournament, the winner of which would go forward as the UK team.

Murphy said today that was one option which could be considered.
He suggested: "Another option would be Alex Ferguson picking the top 22 young men from throughout the UK.

"I am absolutely confident there are 16 and 17-year-old Scots, both men and women, who have a great future in football ahead of them, who could get in that UK football team safe in the knowledge it doesn't affect the Scottish national team.

"That's a new reassurance and commitment from FIFA, and I look forward to them honouring it."

The Scottish FA said today its opposition to a Team GB had not changed.
A spokesman said: "We have to take decisions on this issue based on what is right for Scottish football.

"While we would welcome any statement from Fifa, we have to be clear that Fifa is an organisation made up of its members and it is their views on the precedent that a Team GB would set that are so important in this issue.

"We await with interest the outcome of Fifa's deliberations next month but we must be clear on this. We will not do anything that we feel would jeopardise our status as a footballing nation in our own right.

At this stage we feel that a Team GB does just that.

"At some point there is a real danger that a precedent of a Team GB will come back and threaten our status as a separate nation."

SNP MSP Stuart McMillan said there were still no guarantees that the independence of the four home nations would not be threatened.

Mr McMillan said: "Labour may say it is OK to have a single UK team but the people who should really be listened to are the SFA (Scottish Football Association) and the Tartan Army.

"This is not a guarantee that the independence of the SFA and the other three national associations in the UK will not be threatened by a single UK football Olympic team.

"It is not in the gift of officials but all members of Fifa who could take away the SFA's independence."

A Scottish Government spokesman said some members of Fifa had consistently questioned why the UK had four different national teams represented in tournaments such as the World Cup.

And he said the Government agreed with the SFA that the creation of a British team would a "a wrong move".

The spokesman said: "We agree that a team GB would be taking an unnecessary risk with the future of Scotland as an independent footballing nation. All the footballing authorities seem clear on this as well."

Labour MP Jim Sheridan said he was delighted at the "cast iron guarantee" by Fifa.

The MP for Paisley and Renfrewshire North said: "I have always been supportive of moves to allow our best youngsters to represent Team GB in London.

"Nothing could be more thrilling than seeing a UK Olympic win on home soil in 2012 – and that's what I am rooting for.

"The best young Scottish footballers should have the chance to compete in the London Olympics, without threatening our historic national squad.

"If Mr Salmond continues to try and deny our youngsters that chance, he is putting ideology before football."

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1

Farky,

Edinburgh 12/11/2008 10:08:26
Jim would say that!

There is little interest for a UK team here in Scotland.
2

Nikostratos,,

12/11/2008 10:15:17
Great Britain would both be a team from all corners of Great Britain and show what the British can achieve . People united in common endeavour in one inclusive nation. Obviously the nationalists will hate the very idea of 'British' citizens standing together as one peoples United under the crown.

even more so if they do well.

#1
And who do you speak for Farky?
3

Alan B,

12/11/2008 10:27:26
#Nikostratos

The issue is do you want to jeopardize the Scottish national team. Why do you? It is silly to say it will definately not as too many senior people have indicated it could (in FIFA and beyond). Football in the olympics is irrelevent. Just because the olympics is in london why put at risk the special privledges of the home nations. I really cannot understand why the clamour for a football team in the olympic just becuase it is being held in london why not in all the other previous olympics.

Is Brown really trying to scrub the scottish team entirely so that britain can have a team at world cups. After all having a separate scottish football team is part of a separate scottish identity that Brown does not like as he persues his desire of pushing scottishness to a secondary identity to britishness.

4

Luigiana,

Aberdeen 12/11/2008 10:29:16
I would trust the instincts of the Scottish, Northern Irish and Welsh FAs rather than what Jim Murphy or Jerome Valcke did or did not say. Sitting on the fence between national identity and independent nationhood has always been uneasy for the "national" teams and for the past 50 years, they have been in a precarious position. It is not just what one FIFA official says, but the opinions of all the other state members that will count. I agree with the SFA belief that this would greatly endanger the status of Scotland as an international football team. Furthermore, as the first poster implied, there is no appetite for a British team whatsoever. It's a non-starter, and everybody apart from Gordon Brown and his poodles knows it.
5

Alan B,

12/11/2008 10:30:07
Given the fact that the scottish football association is against a GB football team at the olympics why is the uk government trying to undermine that. FIFA is opposed to government interference in football and have threaten countries with punishment before. As such is Broon and co trying to get the scottish team kicked out international tournies.
6

Luigiana,

Aberdeen 12/11/2008 10:31:08
How about an online opinion poll on the subject?

C'mon Editor!
7

Alan B,

12/11/2008 10:32:00
Have an home nation tournament between the 4 countries and let the winner represent the UK if they are that bothered about having a gb football team.

Personally do not know anyone that is interested in olympic football. It is a waste of time.
8

Nikostratos,,

12/11/2008 10:34:40
Oh dear! I see the 'Haters' have arrived
9

Luigiana,

Aberdeen 12/11/2008 10:35:38
Given that Gordon Brown is prepared to sacrifice one of Scotlands banks in order to save the union, what chance does a football team have?

Remember his words "I will do whatever it takes to protect the union"

Everything and anything that can undermine Scottish identity. There will be a British football team at the Olympics (with or without Scottish players). Don't expect any medals though - they have no chance.
10

Alan B,

12/11/2008 10:36:23
#Nikostratos

It is you that seems to be a "hater". Someone that want to jeopardize the scottish football team for what? do you just loath everything that is scottish?
11

TWC,

12/11/2008 10:38:12
9 Nikostratos,,I do not understan the post "I see the Haters have arrived".

This is a decision for the SFA and they in turn should tell the First Minister their decision it is nothing to do with politicians save the communication with the relevent sporting authority.
This is a no Brainer.

If SFA agree fine but the manager should be someone without a bias in chosing players not Alex Ferguson!!

How about Kevin Keegan?
12

Yr Awel,

Here & There 12/11/2008 10:42:37
4 Alan B
You write: 'After all having a separate scottish football team is part of a separate scottish identity that Brown does not like as he persues his desire of pushing scottishness to a secondary identity to britishness.'

Has it ever occurred to you that that simply cannot be as the two identities you are talking about are not of the same nature? They can't overlap: one is essentialist (your definition of Scottishness, of course), the other is not; it crucially means they can COMPLEMENT each other, i.e. they are not mutually exclusive.
Which is why 'we' most likely need both (not one at the expense of the other), as Scotland is profoundly divided over the so-called national question.
13

Nevsky,

Moscow 12/11/2008 10:46:59
Nice to see that Jim is bust with real issues. Well i guess it is. After all his job is to defend the union and undemine Scotland so another little step in the right direction, every little helps.
14

Azkaban,

12/11/2008 10:48:03
Why on earth would anyone want to believe 'Lurch' Murphy's statement anyway. If he has had these so called reassurances from FIFA why have FIFA not made an official statement to the relevant FA's. Then as #12 TWC says, let them decide.

Murphy should give up his day job and return to the Adams Family.
15

Nikostratos,,

12/11/2008 10:49:45
#12
So you are saying a British citizen could or should be stopped playing for their Nation by some committee.


The 'relevant' authority is the British subject freely choosing to support their British team.
16

The Scotchman,

12/11/2008 10:54:32
Nothing but a trick! Lies!
17

big is the new small,

12/11/2008 10:55:05
www.NoTeamGB.com

i wish politicians would stay out of this - it has nothing at all to do with them. none of them can guarantee anything on this subject and neither can Lord Coe as we found out on his recent visit to Edinburgh.

bearing in mind the next FIFA leader will likely be Jack Warner then he'll take any opportunity to disband the four home nations for a GB team. and that's despite the fact that GB isn't even a country!
18

big is the new small,

12/11/2008 10:57:39
in reply to many of the comments above. it isn't just Scots that feel this way - supporters of all four home nations are against this and are working together under www.NoTeamGB.com to prevent it happening.

it's also worthwhile to get the views from the thousands of people campaigning for an English parliament. they are very much against this too.
19

TWC,

12/11/2008 11:02:26
16 Nikostratos,,12/11/2008

Niko, these are the official football bodies, they represent us in dealing with all other official football bodies WW. and are experts in their field.
They should decide, I don't know why the Scottish Minister even got involved it will only cause a schism which, if there is no risk to SFA, need not have come to anything.

If they decide it's ok fine then let someone we all trust manage the team wee Keegan is a gentleman.
20

Teofilio Cubillas,

12/11/2008 11:03:05
One of the main problems is that any 'British' team would be composed largely of English players with only one or two token Scots, Welsh and Northern Irish players thrown in. The last British Lions rugby team ,managed by Clive Woodward, proved a disaster as he picked only his pals from the England team and a few Welshmen. There were more players of Scottish descent playing for the All Blacks than there were in the Lions. Even that seasons player of the year, Jason White, was ignored from the original squad. Clearly, English players would probably make up the majority of any British team, but the 2005 Lions demonstrates that an Anglo-centric management and media offers little for the development of the Scottish game.
21

Ugly George,

Edinburgh 12/11/2008 11:16:56
8 Alan B
"Have an home nation tournament between the 4 countries and let the winner represent the UK if they are that bothered about having a gb football team."

David cameron suggested this yesterday.
22

Shredder,

12/11/2008 11:32:07
I just don't get it: there must be some sort of agreement (legal or otherwise) that would satisfy the SFA that Scotland will continue to be allowed to compete separately in tournaments. The opposition to a British Olympic football team is based on deep seated insecurity rather than anything else and I'm not in the least surprised to hear that the Nationalists are opposing with their usual kneejerk chippy rantings.

I myself would favour a team with a proportionate quota from all the constituent nations of the UK and am of the opinion that choosing from under 23s sounds an excellent idea.

The alternative would be a play off amongst the constituent nations, but I really do not feel that this would be seen to be fair, given England's vastly greater population.
23

John S,

12/11/2008 11:34:23
Do you believe Jim Murphy and Fifa general secretary Jerome Valcke or the former Fifa vice-president David Will and present Fifa president Sepp Blatter Blatter ?
Hopes of a joint British team at the London 2012 Olympics have been dealt a major blow after David Will, who spent 17 years as a Fifa vice-president, warned that such a move would threaten the separate identity of the four home nations in world football. Will retired from his post with Fifa in May, but has advised the FAs of Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland not to take any risks whatsoever.1 November 2007

Fifa president Sepp Blatter Blatter now says said the independent status of the four British associations could be harmed by a unified GB team.He also said They should enter only a team composed of players from England," said Blatter."This will then not provoke a long and endless discussion of the four British associations."
BBC 9 March 2008

The president of FIFA, Sepp Blatter has on more than one occasion said that if the UK fields a team at the Olympics, then football associations across the world will ask why there cannot be a single team for the UK at all competitions.August 26, 2008

The creation of the team has been opposed by the Football Associations of Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland who are concerned it may compromise their individual status within Fifa.
Seb Coe said the BOA, which selects teams for the Games, has decided to press ahead with a football squad despite the opposition.
When asked last night about the opposition from the Welsh and Scots, Coe replied bluntly: “F*** em!”
http://tinyurl.com/49fehu
24

Dark Lochnagar,

12/11/2008 11:35:09
Murphy- shut up and keep your nose out of things that aren't part of your job. This man is becoming an irritant.
25

Yeahbutnobut,

Aberdeen 12/11/2008 11:38:07
Sepp Blatter, President of FIFA, March 2008:
"If you start to put together a combined team for the Olympics, the question will automatically come up that there are four different associations so how can they play in one team,"

David Will, Ex-Vice President FIFA, November 2007:
"...there is nothing to stop any association bringing up a vote in Congress and saying 'the four British associations have played together at an Olympics so they can do so at a World Cup as well'. It is taking a huge chance to join a British team, even an Olympic team and why should the associations take that chance? I have never accepted that we should take such a risk."

Jérôme Valcke makes up the agenda for the Congess but he has no powers to block a vote there. Jérôme Valcke's "assurances" mean nothing in the real world.

Why risk the future participation of Scotland in the World Cup, the European Cup and Scotland's right to enter clubs in the European Club competitions for the sake of a one-off U-23 tournament in London in 2012?

Murphy is willing to risk Scotland's future independent participation in all football competions for the sake of a London sporting event just to curry favour with Brown.
26

The Federalist (the poster formerly know as NAUON),

12/11/2008 11:40:48
Whilst the principle of fielding a GB team for a GB Olympics may be correct the reality is that there are too many chancers in FIFA (like that crook Jack Warner) who would use it as an excuse to attack us for having 4 seperate teams.

The only way it should happen is if FIFA give a written guarantee that it won't affect our status. Verbal agreements are worth as much as the paper they are not written on.
27

European Scot,

12/11/2008 11:41:01
2 Nikostratos

" ... and show what the British can achieve. People united in common endeavour in one inclusive nation " Was 'Rule Britannia' playing in the background ? !

Britain is not, never has been, nor ever will be a Nation.
Try looking up the definition of Nation.
England, Wales, and Scotland are Nations, Britain, or the 'UK' is not.

"Obviously the nationalists will hate the very idea of 'British' citizens standing together as one peoples United under the crown." Well you certainly got that right !

'British citizens', 'crown', oh dear Nikostratos, how quaint, you really are a regular little Unionist aren't you ?
'Under the crown', didn't you give up on all this royalty garbage when you left school ? Still believe in princesses and goblins do you ?
Goodness knows what's down the bottom of your garden !

As for a 'UK' football team, well that's destined for the same end as 'British Day'. and its great British promoter, G. Brown.
Cue Seb Blatter in March 2008: "If you start to put together a combined team for the Olympic Games, the question will automatically come up that there are four different associations so how can they play in one team."
The Scottish FA reiterated its opposition to a unified team during a meeting with Blatter ....... .
Blatter's reply to that was: " I said that is the best thing for you to do "

Now Niko, away you go and polish your portrait of the Queen, and while you're about it, perhaps you had better check that flag hanging underneath for moths.
Again, like Gordon, it's had its day !
28

Alastair the First,

12/11/2008 11:42:22
Not in my name....
29

The Federalist (the poster formerly know as NAUON),

12/11/2008 11:48:02
#4 "I really cannot understand why the clamour for a football team in the olympic just becuase it is being held in london why not in all the other previous olympics."

If they don't field a team as host nation in what is seen as one of the Olympics prestige events then there are plenty in the IOC who will use it as an excuse to prevent any future British Olympic candidacy.

The British Olympic Committee are between a rock and a hard place on this issue. On one side they have the chancers in FIFA who will use a united team to attack our home nations status. On the other they have chancers in the IOC who will use a disunited team to attack a future Olympic candidacy.
30

A Scott,

Newton Mearns 12/11/2008 11:52:30
University "Drop out" Murphy is a obsequious yes man without an original thought in his skull.
If he is spouting this mince then it is because he has been ordered to do so by the Great Broon.
31

The Federalist (the poster formerly know as NAUON),

12/11/2008 11:56:46
#8 "Personally do not know anyone that is interested in olympic football."

You must travel in small circles Alan. Nearly 2 million spectators attended the football games in Beijing and there were over 2.5 billion global TV viewers for all matches.
32

Breezy,

12/11/2008 11:59:33
In response to a question about the opposition towards a British Olympic joint football team from the Welsh and Scottish FAs, Lord Coe allegedly replied " F*** them!"
Eloquent words from his Lordship on this matter, now Murphy is seen doing his Tory Lordships bidding in trying to persuade us that Westminister knows best.

Aye, right !
33

Nikostratos,,

12/11/2008 11:59:54
#28 European Scot

I am a royalist and proud of that fact her majesty is the scottish queen same as Alex Salmond.

and as for what is at the bottom of my garden there is a shed
34

subrosa,

12/11/2008 12:03:37
I do hope the SFA are rock solid in their disagreement with this. Not that I know anything about football other than I have to suffer it on every media outlet each Saturday.
35

John S,

12/11/2008 12:11:22
There is more to this than just fielding a UK Olympic football team so what could be at stake ?
Since 1946 the four associations have individual seats on FIFA’s rule-making International Football Association Board and one guaranteed vice-presidency position on FIFA’s Executive Committee.
The four British associations have treasured this special status that Sir Stanley Rous negotiated on their return to the fold in 1946.

Fielding a UK Olympic team:-The question will automatically come up that there are four different associations so how can they play in one team.
"If this is the case then why the hell do they have four associations and four votes and their own vice-presidency?
"This will put into question all the privileges that the British associations were given by the Congress in 1946."

This arrangement may seem unfair and outdated but it was granted by the Congress in 1946 and will be challenged by other FIFA members if there is a combined UK Olympic team, these other FIFA members are waiting for any excuse to change the four British associations status within FIFA,

The Executive Committee consists of a President, elected by the Congress in the year following a FIFA World Cup™, eight vice-presidents and 15 members, appointed by the confederations and associations.
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Alan B,

12/11/2008 12:14:27
#The Federalist

So how many people do you know that were particularly interested in the Olympic football.

It is firstly an under 23 competition so it not as if it could ever rival the world cup.

Lets face it the euros run in the same yrs as the olympics were of far more interest to people in scotland despite not being there. And i would assume for most football fans in europe.

Were you personally that interested in olympic football compared to watching club football or international competitions like the euros or world cups?
37

Yeahbutnobut,

Aberdeen 12/11/2008 12:14:50
#33

It's been posted in a comment on another Scotsman thread before but here it is again, a link to an image that was made of the Coe article.

http://i137.photobucket.com/albums/q239/DougtheDug/Scotland/Coe_F_em2-1.jpg
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12/11/2008 12:21:19
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Alan B,

12/11/2008 12:24:00
#Yr Awel

I never said people could not and should not have multiple identities like being scottish and british etc. What I said was Brown has a political agenda that has little to do with football but about politics.

Why would a Scottish politician be so interested in pushing a uk football team for the olypmics when all the home nation associations are against it except england as they believe it could endanger there future status and privledges? The scottish public is not pro it apparently. And FIFA and other senior figures have warned about this before.

What you obviously have overlooked in your reply is Brown himself was pushing the whole concept of Britishness and identity. He was making it an issue. Largely because he feared his scottishness would work against him in england as he persued his political career.
40

Alan B,

12/11/2008 12:25:13
#sam greenock

And would you support a British team instead of home nation teams for other international competitions?
41

Arfur,

12/11/2008 12:27:39
#41 Alan B - dont be silly, that idiot would support England over Scotland any day of the week and twice on Sunday.
42

Arfur,

12/11/2008 12:30:17
Couldn't care less if it wouldn't effect the national team. Would never support them. I support Scottish athletes at the Olympics not the GB team. We should have a team of our own. Guess it will come in 2010 tho.
43

Miss H,

12/11/2008 12:34:36

34 Niko says he is a ‘royalist and proud of that fact her majesty is the scottish queen same as Alex Salmond.’

Alex Salmond is a queen?

Not heard that one before. It’s a variation on calling him a fattie I suppose. Not sure he could pull it off though (calm down at the back of the class please.)


44

Alastair the First,

12/11/2008 12:42:43
When it comes to being queens, Brown and Blair have a head start.
45

Alan B,

12/11/2008 12:48:16
#46 Thought that was Mandelson :)
46

Mercian,

UK 12/11/2008 13:02:54
I care about this issue. There should be a Team GB football side. I would be a fantastic opportunity for talented young kids up and down the land to get involved. I would be an exciting fixture for foottball fans to have a team they can support in the Olympics.

Sadly, opposition from the SNP is extremely negative in trying stop this event for their own political fears of a resurgence in British patriotism - it's nothing to do with protecting the Scottish national side.
47

Clydesdale,

Lanarkshire 12/11/2008 13:05:42
The Secretary of State for Scotland is unashamedly trying to make political gain out of our national sport. Mr Valke who has given him assurances does not exactly have an unblemished track record on honesty. Read,

http://www.sundayherald.com/sport/shfootball/display.var.1857695.0.mystery_at_the_heart_of_fifa.php

or

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/profiles/jr244me-valcke-he-scored-the-worstever-own-goal-now-hes-running-football-398086.html

From the above article. "A New York judge had stated that Valcke, then Fifa's marketing director, had lied to two groups – MasterCard and Visa – bidding for the right to sponsor the 2010 and 2014 World Cups."

But if Mr Murphy feels reassured then hey that's alright then!
48

Teofilio Cubillas,

12/11/2008 13:09:56
#23 Shredder

"I myself would favour a team with a proportionate quota from all the constituent nations of the UK"


Which is precisely why the Welsh, Scots and Northern Irish FA's are telling the Olympic committee to poke it. Why would any of these bodies risk their demise in order to have one (at the most, by your suggestion) player from their country representing the GB team in a Mickey Mouse (in footballing terms) tournament?
49

TWC,

Ayrshire 12/11/2008 13:18:39
48 Mercian,

This is nothing to do with politicians. Football was put on the agenda by Brown with his -I support England the, My favouite Goal was Gazza aginst Scotland, then the Olympic team then Murphy with the same thing.

This is a sport politicians KEEP OUT. Go and look after the Poor and Jobless in Scotland, increase the old age pension, raise the tax threshold and redistribute wealth so the poor have hope.
Give Scotland control over it's finance -- Do political things which you were elected to do and moreto the point

ARE BEING PAID TO DO
50

Clydesdale,

Lanarkshire 12/11/2008 13:25:54
Here are some questions - how would the team GB players be selected? Would we simply go for the best players? What if all of the best players were deemed to be English? (they have by far the biggest pool of players to chose from) Should we have positive discrimination and have a built in quota of Scots, Welsh and Northern Irish? Would this create an artificial selection process? (surely a manager should be allowed to choose his best 11 free from such impositions). Is a supposedly one off Under 23 competition worth while taking part in if there is even the slightest doubt that it could be used in the future to attack Scotland's ability to field teams at international level? Does this one off competition pale into insignificance compared with World Cups and European Championships?
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12/11/2008 13:27:08
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IainGlasgow,

12/11/2008 13:28:22
# 2

I doubt you'll find many England fans who are favour of the GB team either.
53

JT,

12/11/2008 13:32:48
What is the point in trying to get a Team GB, just look at the rugby "British" lions. My guess for next years tour will be cpt - welsh, a couple of other welsh, sprinkling or irish,gallon of english and 1 (if we are lucky) token scot, who may or may not actually play in a test match, this being irrespective of how good some of the scots players are. This was the case in 2005 except that the cpt was irish until he got injured then replaced by an english player. This is what will happen if we are looking at a team for the olymipics. Hardly unbiased!
54

IainGlasgow,

12/11/2008 13:34:34
# 40

Perhaps he should pay attention to the opinion polls alluding to a landslide election victory for David Cameron. It is clear already that middle England doesn't want him, even though he is the super human genius who saved Planet Earth from financial meltdown. Scotland doesn't want him either even if Glenrothes does.
55

Shredder,

12/11/2008 13:36:30
#50 Teofilio: why deny a young player (such as Clarkson of Motherwell) the chance to showcase himself in a GB soccer team, all because of irrational fears which could surely be allayed by a binding agreement drawn up by a smart lawyer? It just doesn't make sense to me, but there again I don't come at every problem with a fixed nationalist mindset (thank heaven!)

Btw, my suggestion of proportionate allocation would lead to at least 2 Scots in the team and perhaps three, depending on merit. I would not be apportioning according to national population but equally amongst the four football associations within the UK.
56

IainGlasgow,

12/11/2008 13:38:59
# 55

In Rugby Union there is one Ireland team representing both the Republic and Northern Ireland. Perhaps they should do that for the Olympics since Northern ireland although part of the UK is not technically part of Great Britain.

I wonder how the Ulster unionists and the Orange Order would react to that idea.

The Lions BTW is infact the British and Irish Lions. Couldn't do that for the Olympics as Ireland has its own Olympic setup.
57

AJ Fife,

12/11/2008 13:42:28
I hoped Murphy was made of better stuff!

Another puppet dancing to the dispicable and anti-Scottish Brown's tune!

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Neil Waugh,

Old Strathcona 12/11/2008 13:43:04
The biggest "threat" to Scottish football is Jim Murray. And his equally treacherous boss the evil Broon.
It's all part of the big picture to crush the SNP and keep the Liebore trotters in the tough at Westminster.
Sickening, really.
Meanwhile Eck is at the UN trying to get a seat. Which would get us into the Olys as our own country.
C'mon, son.
59

The Federalist (the poster formerly know as NAUON),

12/11/2008 13:59:08
#60 Jim Murray?
60

brownlie,

12/11/2008 14:01:04
48 Mercian

I think you'll find that most Scots, not just the SNP, are completely against anything that would put the opportunity for a Scottish team to play in the European Championship or World Cup in jeopardy.

Any politician doing so would never be forgiven.

Incidentally, the poll by the Scotsman is flawed in asking an ambiguous question.
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Neil Waugh,

12/11/2008 14:06:36
#60

Yet another atempt by the Labour traitors to undermine the Scottish right to self rule. They're now inserting typos in blogs. Yes Fed, it should be Jim Murdock.
Yikes how did that happen? I key boarded Murphy and it came out Morton. No Monteith. Try again. Malcolm.
See what I'm saying.
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brownlie,

12/11/2008 14:07:45
Nikos(in his wisdom????) seems to think that all Scotland supporters support the SNP. He could well be correct - there is a first time for everything!
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The Federalist (the poster formerly know as NAUON),

12/11/2008 14:19:30
I have a lot of time for Jim Murphy - but he's got this one wrong. I believe it is right in principle to have a single team for the Olympics but the sporting politcial realities make it a non-starter. Unless FIFA gave a written assurance that it won't affect the Home Nations status the we are - to put it bluntly - p1ssing in the wind if we try to go ahead with Team GB.
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IainGlasgow,

12/11/2008 14:35:29
Jim Murphy's full time and pointless role as Scottish Secretary exists for one purpose - for him to attempt to establish himself as the top dog in Scottish Politics by upstaging and diminishing the public profile of the devolved administration.
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Alan B,

12/11/2008 14:40:37
#The Federalist

Lost any respect for Murphy after the dodgy expenses scandal, where he and a few other labour mps and msps were both claim consituency office expenses for rent I believe for the same office.

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4156/is_/ai_n13962936
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Alan B,

12/11/2008 14:43:56
#The Fed

Another link to the dodgy expense scandal

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2001/dec/03/scotland.devolution
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Lianachan,

Highlands 12/11/2008 14:53:27
I can't believe people are still talking about this. NOBODY outside of those connected with the Olympics wants this. Not the Scots, not the Welsh, not the English.
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Mercian,

UK 12/11/2008 15:00:59
#70 Jackie Priest

Quite a fantastic conspiracy theory that, Jackie. The national English and Scottish football teams were set up in the early 1890's - well within the union.
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English Bob,

England 12/11/2008 15:07:33
Team UK? No thanks.

I for one will be cheering the opposition if that happens.
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Warden An' All, Reborn,

12/11/2008 15:13:37
I hope a UK football team is a threat to our hopeless home teams, what a joke. If we can fly the flag for Hoy on his push bike then we can do the same for a Great British institution like football.
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john z,

edinburgh 12/11/2008 15:20:54
We are in a recession, people are losing their jobs, and the under achiever Jim Murphy spends his time f*rting about trying to create a UK football squad.

Anything, anything to destroy Scotland, its people, culture and history. Jim Murphy like Gordon Brown has truly sold his soul to the devil.

Get the message, Brown, the people of Scotland DO NOT WANT A British football team.

As for Jim Murphy, how about doing something useful to help the working people of Scotland, instead of f*rting about with nonsense like this, which nobody wants or needs.
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john z,

edinburgh 12/11/2008 15:25:16
I support Scotland and anyone who plays against England or UK. I will never support a UK football team.

I bet celtic fans would just love to see their players, with union jacks on the strip. Jim Murphy is quite literally opening a can of worms, and someone needs to have a quiet word in his ear about recent Scottish history.

I believe they fly a union Jack over Ibrox.

To many Scots, england is just another foreign country that happens to speak english.
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Mercian,

UK 12/11/2008 15:30:47
#79 john z: "To many Scots, england is just another foreign country that happens to speak english."

Yeah, right. Whatever, whatever...
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Warden An' All, Reborn,

12/11/2008 15:34:11
The people of scotland want a successful football team, if it has to be a British team then so be it. It's better than being ever the losers.
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The Federalist (the poster formerly know as NAUON),

12/11/2008 15:35:10
#70 Just to educate you a little - we actually played as a Great Britain team at every Olympics (or Olympic qualifying) between 1900 to 1972. The Great Britain team won the gold no less than 3 times - in 1900, 1908 and 1912.

Great Britain stopped entering teams in 1974 when the FA Council abolished the official distinction between "amateur" and "professional" footballers in England. This put an end to the practice of "shamateurism", whereby players claimed to be amateur but still received irregular payments from their clubs. At that time the Olympics were only open to amateur sportsmen and women, so the British Associations were no longer able to enter a football team.

With the rise of federations such as CONCACAF, the traditional powerbases such as UEFA and the International Football Association Board (where the Home Nations are the only countries represented) has been challenged. The likes of Warner have used the Home Nations as an excuse to attack bodies like FIFA and the IFAB.

The issue of Team GB is not one that is about nationalism but one that is mired in the politics of world sport.

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john z,

edinburgh 12/11/2008 15:36:45
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Glad you agree.
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big is the new small,

12/11/2008 15:40:33
interesting that in this very paper today, Jim Murphy's office insist that Sport is a devolved matter:

http://thescotsman.scotsman.com/latestnews/Football-chant-row-reaches-Westminster.4683966.jp

make your mind up!
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IainGlasgow,

12/11/2008 15:46:34
# 85

The reason Jim Murphy was appointed was to interfere in develoved issues.

Lindsay Roy was elected on the basis of a smear campaign against the council on local issues.

Hardly suprising really. When it comes to reserved matters no one on the Labour party has a leg to stand on which is why there will be a landslide victory for the tories at the next election. The question for Scotland is do we want SNP MPs which will fight to get the best deal for Scotland in Westminster or Labour MPs who are only interested in their own ideological hatred.
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danbob,

12/11/2008 15:51:07
No Scots would get into the team anyway.
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Raymond Thomas Brooke,

Leven England 12/11/2008 16:01:43
we are four separate countries and should be reperesented in whatever sports or competitions there are. asfar as the olympics are concerned they have devolved into a highly expensive circus with competions for any obscure sport that someone dreams up. for most of the events there is very little interest and sadly football is one of them and anotable other is tennis.
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Tom R,

12/11/2008 16:02:48
It looks as if Brown simply does not care if the Scottish football team continues to exist.

To take any risk for an Olympic football tournament is foolish and selfish of him. Although I used not to mind the description "British" I do now as Brown has politicised it for his own ends.
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Calum10,

12/11/2008 16:23:43
I am sure that the Tartan Army will give Jim Murphy a VERY WARM WELCOME if he were to turn up for the Scotland game against Argentina. (I wonder what rhymes with Murphy?)

As an ardent Celtic fan Jim Murphy might have some difficulty in recognising what colour of tops Scotland actually play in but I'm sure those around him will put him straight.

We don't want the Scottish Secretary to be supporting the wrong team, do we?



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57vintage,

12/11/2008 16:41:57
"As a football fan, Murphy"

Does anyone know who he supports?
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Calum10,

12/11/2008 16:59:29
#97

Jim Murphy supports Celtic so his knowledge of the Scottish national team is limited.

Jim Murphy has his own blog, so if you want to make your feelings clear on this matter here is the link,

http://www.scotlandoffice.gov.uk/secretary-of-state-blog/
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Observer. 1,

Glasgow 12/11/2008 17:47:18
Has the Kirsty Squawk programme been on yet ?
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murren59,

Isle of Arran 12/11/2008 17:48:48
No wonder other nations have trouble seperating England from Britain when England use the supposed BRITISH National Anthem, GSTQ, as their seperate England football national anthem...and are always belting out Rule Britania...while of course, sad little NI dutifully follows suit.
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Alan B,

12/11/2008 17:57:12
Given that Brown has just virtually bankrupted the uk should we not be withdrawing our application to hold the olympics.
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erchie,

at hame 12/11/2008 18:10:34
the only fans in scotland that will get dewy eyed about team GB are some rangers fans ,are we really goin to jepardise our national teams identity to satisfy the fans of one club (and we can all remember how they behaved in manchester).The whole idea is a non starter
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murren59,

Isle of Arran 12/11/2008 18:18:43
110 Red Etin
>Simple answer. It's because there are 4 different nations. Educate the diddies at FIFA.<

'4 different nations' with the same controlling London government, the same monarch, the same armed forces, the same olympic team, and two of the '4 different nations' playing the same National Anthem before their football matches?
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arc of insolvency,

12/11/2008 18:27:31
As a Tartan Army member if there are agreements in place to protect the four home nations ouwith the olympics then I see no problem.

It pretty pathetic that this is an issue really. These things happen daily under the SNP's watch. Very sad.
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brownlie,

12/11/2008 18:49:02
115 Arc

As a member of the Tartan Army, do you sing Flower of Scotland?
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arc of insolvency,

12/11/2008 18:58:06
Yes, and your point is this somehow makes it impossible to support a UK team?

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Observer. 1,

Glasgow 12/11/2008 19:32:27
108 Wilhelm - I haven't even bothered registering. I don't agree with premoderated comments.
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chico y,

12/11/2008 19:46:13
It's all hypothetical anyway, Scotland probably won't be part of the UK come 2012. It's a bit presumptious of Murphy to think otherwise.
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Sunrise,

Fife 12/11/2008 19:55:12
I wonder if Jim is foolish or if he thinks we are fools.

FIFA will make decisions based on whatever they want to do at any given time. And these politicians will use what ever data there is to support their view at that time. EG Some future proposal for Scotland to lose an independent international team would be voted on by the Member National FAs based on their current view. This would not be a decision for the general secretary of FIFA nor would he have the right to Veto it, assuming it was the same guy or if cared at that time.

Jerome Valcke has no power to make this call, just as it would not be his call to accept a new member nation.

The SFA knows this too.
Unfortunately, what would happen if we were to allow ourselves to suckered into this, would be that at some time in the future it would/could be used as precedent that proves we no longer should have international recognition. This idea of one UK team has been floated about FIFA for many years.

If you care about a Scotland Football Team it is not worth the risk

Jim Murphy knows all this, I’m sure. So why is he doing this? Is it for political brownie points with his boss or is it to show the Scottish people that he has fixed something when few in Scotland care about a UK football team at the Olympics.

Unfortunately it is all spin on Jim’s part. Having met the guy, I thought he was better than that
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Media 1,

cape town 12/11/2008 20:09:40
FIFA has no jurisdiction over the olympics - none at all.
Blatter is a little fa#cking destroyer of football, he should be hung out to dry for completely failing to do his job. He is without doubt the most destructive force that football has ever known -
A Great Britain team would be fine and there aint a thing FIFA could do about it.
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brownlie,

12/11/2008 20:11:13
121 Arc

No point, just idle curiousity. Don't make assumptions or jump to conclusions.
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tearortwo,

Burton on trent 12/11/2008 20:11:36
Jim Murphy, Secretary of State against Scotland!
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Ewan M,

12/11/2008 20:14:29
#123 I had a giggle when you said it would be "presumptious" to think Scotland would be part of the UK in 2012. A little ironic your sentiments.

Does polls that no one else has seen tell you otherwise? Maybe Glenrothes gave you cause for optimism!
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brownlie,

12/11/2008 20:23:05
128 Ewan M

Increasing the vote by 13%, as in Glenrothes, in every constituency would be cause for optimism especially when the other no-hope unionist voters decided to switch to Labour.
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Nevsky,

Moscow 12/11/2008 20:25:09
128 Ewan#

Well i wouldn't giggle to hard as polls have shown that 40% of Scots will vote for independence when the Tories come to power with lots of undecided voters, personally i think 2014.

However you being a unionist will be comforted in the fact that Scotland will be part of the uk that will be the country most hit by the recession in Europe.

It must make your little unionist heart swell with pride.

Scotland should be proud to be failing within the union..now there is a giggle!
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bully wee alba,

Edinburgh 12/11/2008 20:26:55
Arc of hard of understanding writes:-

“As a Tartan Army member if there are agreements in place to protect the four home nations ouwith the olympics then I see no problem.”

Who is this “agreement” with?

Will the advocates of your position publish this “agreement” and explain why this “agreement” binds all the members of FIFA in perpetuity to accept the existence of an independent SFA as a member?

Are you aware of FIFA members who already object to Scotland, Northern Ireland, Wales and England all having separate membership of FIFA?

Does this “agreement” you refer to, have the support of all those members who oppose the current situation?

Do try harder than your previous feeble responses.
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Nevsky,

Moscow 12/11/2008 20:29:03
125 Media 1#

SFA have said no and that should be an end to it. Hold on, maybe Brown could put it on his Calman agenda..now there is a thought!

Maybe the Scottish football player selected would get a free goodie bag from the olympics as that is about all that Scotland can expect from it.

A fair union? 1.2% of contracts awarded to Scottish firms and 98.8% not?

Another boost for Scotland in the union!

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murren59,

Isle of Arran 12/11/2008 20:44:41
118 Red Etin

I am 100% for Scotland having it's own team in both WC and Olympic games...but we are on very shaky grounds trying to argue our seperate nation status.

119
I missed France 98 but attended Germany 74, Argentina 78, Spain 82, Mexico 86 and Italy 90. I also attended a few games in England 66 and USA 94 when Scotland failed to qualify.

How about you?.

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brownlie,

12/11/2008 20:54:10
132 Nevsky

We should all give up on the Scottish, N. Irish and Welsh football teams so that England can, at some time in the future, run another Olympic Games. This should be a token of our gratitude to Gordon Brown saving the world. If we are going to sacrifice our money, our livelihood and our elderly, we might as well gladly sacrifice our football team too.
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brownlie,

12/11/2008 21:01:03
"Yon Murphy has a lean and hungry look. I like him not - such men are dangerous"

Fred Shakespeare
Jim "Cassius" Murphy
Act 111
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arc of insolvency,

12/11/2008 21:01:54
Oh no it's the "it's the UK's fault" brigade. Round in circles ring in any bells?

You can be part of Alex's one man band. Tell me does California blame America for their recession, or Cork blame Ireland for theirs, oh that's right it's just Scotland that blames the UK.

Blaming the UK for everyhting will never get the SNP anywhere as proved last week.
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Westfield Bairns,

falkirk 12/11/2008 21:28:02
arc of insolvency

Having a debate about GB football team not the SNP or are you just going to be a Gordon Brown e*se licker all your life.

Scotland has a football team, IT'S CALLED SCOTLAND
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john z,

edinburgh 12/11/2008 21:40:44
Where is this magical land called 'britain'?? Is it like Narnia?????

136,

Please note, california is not a country, Scotland is.

There is only one team that wants to run on to a pitch wearing a union Jack, and that is Glasgow Rangers. That's fine by me, but just don't expect anyone else in Scotland to join in.

Why don't england just get on with having their own squad at the London Olympics, as frankly neither I nor anybody else in Scotland cares if they call the team GB/UK or not, it is irrelevant. Brown and Murphy need to get a grip on the hatred they are causing in Scotland. Utter fools.
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john z,

edinburgh 12/11/2008 21:42:08
I've an idea why don't we have a EU football team for all the countries of Europe. Just think of the talent.

Or is it just to destroy Scottish pride????
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Scotsman in Dublin,

12/11/2008 21:55:53
#136, that you compare Scotland which is a nation to a city in Ireland just sums up your ignorance and comtempt for Scotland.
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Scunnert,

12/11/2008 21:57:52
Boycot the London Olympics.
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Scunnert,

12/11/2008 21:58:31
Boycott the London Olympics. Aye.
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Scotsman in Dublin,

12/11/2008 22:11:39
This obsession by Tory Coe and Labour Broon and to force a team GB is purely politically motivated. It has been made very clear by Blatter, Will and the SFA that Team GB will endanger the future of a Scotland as an independent team. Why then do they continue to try to force the issue? Simple, Coe-Broon and their ilk want to see the end of Scotland as an independent football team - they fear the upswelling of national identity that comes with an independent football team.
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Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 12/11/2008 22:22:13
Can you imagine the horsedoo in the media if Scotland wanted an independent football association after being part of a uk one?

Too poor, too small, cannae dae it.

What does it remind me of?

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Shamus,

Glasgow 12/11/2008 22:27:45
Personally I think a British Team is a good idea. But it would probably end up mostly consisting of second rate English players as most Scottish players are overpaid diddies. Baxter,Crerand,Jinky and Wullie Henderson were great players also low paid but wore the Scottish jersey with pride. Bunch of wimps now moaning about to many games. Time they worked for a living.
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dude,

wishaw 12/11/2008 22:56:09
Its pretty clear what would happen if this went ahead and Jim Murphy must know that, how can he go on record and drop this Valcke dudes name and think thats it. The guy is a total imbicile, big sebb would have have us by the balls, it would be the end of the Scottish national team at some point in the future after the event.

I think after all the lies they were telling in Glenrothes, and it worked, that they can say anything and get away with it people and will believe them.

At least we know that the SFA are against the idea and will put up a fight to protect our status, same with the other FA's. Just more of the same tactics from labour, scare tactics and Gordon Browns sense of Brittishness.
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Conan the Librarian™,

12/11/2008 23:15:17
135
He waxes desperate with imagination.
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Scunnert,

12/11/2008 23:23:07
147 Conan the Librarian™,12/11/2008 23:15:17

A witty mother! witless else her son.
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Shamus,

Glasgow 12/11/2008 23:31:56
146# Dude. You sound like another Irish benefit seeking immigrant into my country.
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Conan the Librarian™,

13/11/2008 00:05:40
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Get thee to the Herald, Asses are made to bare, and so are you.
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Conan the Librarian™,

13/11/2008 00:08:50
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Sorry Scunnert, distracted, by the witless mother****er
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Edward,

13/11/2008 09:17:14
Jim Murphy - The Yes man who will do anything to please the dear leader
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AJ Fife,

13/11/2008 10:31:15
Chich Young 1 Murphy 0

The BBC Scotland reporter tore the latest anti-Scottish minister apart last night. The hapless Murphy came over as a complete fool, out of his depth and verging on criminality, with his attempts at an excuse. The sooner these traitors are ousted, the better for all proper Scots!
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Number 6,

Germany 13/11/2008 15:38:32
Let's not forget, and this includes you too unionistas, that the English feel the rest of the sides in the "Union" are not worth playing, so why do they want a team comprising players from nations they refuse to compete against ?.

 

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