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Published Date: 24 January 2007
CAMERAS targeting litter louts are set to return to the Capital after more than 150 people were hit with £50 on-the-spot fines during a council crackdown.
Environmental wardens in Edinburgh, backed by CCTV camera vans, were ordered to stop anyone they saw dropping litter or cigarette ends.

City council bosses say the move proved its worth and they are considering using the same tactics again.

T
he litter initiative ran for six weeks before Christmas.

During that period, 152 litter louts were punished with fixed penalty notices and 146 businesses were warned for putting waste out for collection when they were not supposed to.

The council's tactics divided public opinion at the time, after one woman was stopped for discarding the end of her sandwich, and wardens followed a man into his music class to reprimand him for dropping a cigarette.

On George IV Bridge, two large pivoted cameras and several smaller ones on the CCTV unit filmed passers-by, while at least two pairs of wardens patrolled the streets.

Councillor Sue Tritton, the Lib Dem environment spokeswoman, has called for the vans to be sent out again, suggesting such tough tactics could eventually save on the cost of cleaning the streets.

She said: "Anything that stops the people of Edinburgh from dropping litter has got to be a good thing. It is incredibly expensive to collect litter and the sooner we can get rid of the problem the better.

"I would like to see this sort of thing elsewhere in the city, and there are still other issues that the wardens need to address, but it is a resource issue.

"The litter dropped by school pupils is a real issue across Edinburgh and this needs to be tackled as much as city centre litter," Ms Tritton said.

The latest figures show that the number of fines issued for littering fell dramatically over the summer months last year, with just 234 penalties were issued in the six months from March to September, compared with 321 in the previous half-year.

The drop comes despite the introduction of Scotland's smoking ban, and the problems of discarded cigarette ends on city streets.

A spokeswoman for Keep Scotland Beautiful backed the council's initiative. She said:

"There is a lot of good preventive work in terms of education going on in Edinburgh, but with that you also need the enforcement action."

Councillor Sheila Gilmore, the city's housing and community leader, said: "The Services for Communities community safety unit is constantly reviewing its procedures to ensure a high level of service throughout the city.

"We will continue to assess the service in response to complaints, CIMS [cleanliness index monitoring system] scores and intelligence gathered through routine patrols.

"Edinburgh's community safety partnership has recently agreed to additional coverage to support the work of our environmental wardens."

The CCTV unit, which is operated in partnership by the council and the police, has been used on a weekly basis in the Capital since 2004. The council has issued around 5,000 fixed penalty tickets since October 2001.



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  • Last Updated: 23 January 2007 11:47 PM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Litter
 
1

Scaramouche,

24/01/2007 01:55:04

Brand them!!!

2

Stuart W,

Dundee 24/01/2007 02:24:36

This is typical of the official response in an increasingly anti-social country - they watch a problem developing for years (or are so out of touch that they don't realise what's going on), then they announce a 'crackdown', emphasising how they're riding to the rescue, then they either disappear again, wait a while before announcing another crackdown or continue with a level of enforcement that's little more than tokenism.

And while all this is going on the ASB complained being targetted has become so ingrained that the crackdown is invariably accompanied by complaints about over-zealousness, police state, little Hitlers etc.

3

Stuart W,

Dundee 24/01/2007 02:28:58

Not to mention the usual spin, soundbites and garbagespeak from officialdom:

"The Services for Communities community safety unit is constantly reviewing its procedures to ensure a high level of service throughout the city.

"We will continue to assess the service in response to complaints, CIMS [cleanliness index monitoring system] scores and intelligence gathered through routine patrols."

No doubt this makes them feel important and impresses some of the public, if they'd kept things simple then the country wouldn't be turning into a rubbish tip.

How about simple rules and enforcement thereof?

4

AB_R,

24/01/2007 05:49:44

Here's a radical thought, how about placing the litter bins in practical spots. Bins, should be placed at the front of the bus stop, where people actually get on the bus. Walk down Princes Street, on the Gardens side, and you will not see one bin in a practical position.

5

rpb,

24/01/2007 08:04:37

no 4. here's another radical thought. Do people at home/ in their garden just chuck things down because they can't be bothered to walk a few yards to a bin?

Seems to me to be an attitude thing here - having visited Hong Kong recently (1.5 million crammed in) there was hardly any litter.

Sadly number 4's view seems to be acceptable in devolved Scotland - its not the individual's repsonsiblity for clearing up mess/ fault for making the mess, even if that's the person who is the cause.

6

Agent 99,

24/01/2007 08:23:12

[5] Your point is well made. However, social responsibility cannot be instilled into people just by the threat of a so-called crackdown. [1] may be on the right track. Every week, publish the names of those nicked in a full page EEN spread. Huge font, no dinky little letters that won't get noticed. In medieval times they used the stocks, just do an equivalent of that.

It is unfortunate that this crackdown was only a trip round the streets for a couple of days. This is just like speed cameras in well known locations. Gesture politics at its least effective.

The "crackdown" should be every day for a long period; locations chosen randomly. Given the amount of litter out there, 150 fines would hardly have scratched the surface. To do it just once or twice is like taking antibiotics for one day. Totally useless.

7

Haggismaker,

Northern Bohemia 24/01/2007 08:24:27

4 & 5 - you're both right in your own ways - there WERE no bins on Princes Street and we ARE responsible for tidying up after ourselves.

8

Grumpy,

24/01/2007 08:29:12

We need to also fine the companies who contribute to the litter problem - take-aways, chip shops, burger bars, and shops who bag up rubbish and leave it for the foxes to rip up and spread about. And fine the chewing gum droppers £150 a time - it's so maddening trying to get this stuff off shoes & clothes.

9

Haggismaker,

Northern Bohemia 24/01/2007 08:37:13

Grumpy - yes I'm tempted to agree. But no cameras please. It really is beginning to look like Brave New World. Wardens fine, though. Healthy job creation. Hang on, where's all the boys in blue on the beat?

10

paulr,

24/01/2007 08:57:49

City council bosses say the move proved its worth .
Of course it did, 150 * £50 =£7500 a nice little profit, should pay for a junket or two.

11

paulr,

24/01/2007 08:59:37

I have to agree with haggismaker,
the money wasted on so called wardens would be far better spent increasing the number of police on the beat

12

Messalina,

24/01/2007 09:31:17

I was in Peterborough last year ........ and I couldn't believe how CLEAN it was!!! Honestly, there was little or no litter, sparkling clean streets ..... well, 100% cleaner than Edinburgh, Glasgow, Dundee and Aberdeen!

Send a couple of Councillors down there to see how they've acheived it. NOT A POSSE .... A COUPLE!

Then come back and implement what they've done!

13

mv,

24/01/2007 10:05:15

Cannot believe the attitude from some people to this story, the litter problem is caused by lazy people dropping litter where ever its suits them. Its not the fault of the council, the fast food places, the schools etc etc....its caused by lazy selfish people!

The council are forced to do this because the people in Edinburgh are too lazy to walk to the nearest litter bin....Tourists must be shocked to discover this dirty city of ours.

In other European countries the streets are vastly cleaner to ours (its the British Isles culture of someone else will clean my mess up seen in all areas of life these days!)

14

Jack the lad,

24/01/2007 10:09:47

"146 businesses were warned for putting waste out for collection when they were not supposed to."

Did that include Burger King who regularly stink West Register Street with their rotting rubbish? Didn't think so. Why are they allowed to continually do this?

15

mv,

24/01/2007 10:14:16

#14, "Did that include Burger King who regularly stink West Register Street with their rotting rubbish?"

And thats just the fumes from the Kitchen!

16

Mallory,

24/01/2007 11:09:58

Rather than fine them why not force two hours of supervised litter clearing up or every offence?

17

Swilly Tisher,

Loch Maree 24/01/2007 11:32:21

Auld Reekie, your cameras would be better deployed along the Devon coast.

18

Al,

24/01/2007 12:08:37

Why can't we have this initiative in Glasgow?

19

Jimbo's flats a mess,

Mintrouse 24/01/2007 12:59:27

My problem is people letting their dogs shit all over the streets (and my garden) these people should be made to clean up dogshit all day as a punishment. And re- trained by rubbing their noses in it.

20

Billy,

Germany 24/01/2007 13:12:36

No excuses Scotland, we are the worst in Europe for dropping litter. Maybe people think it is normal for the streets to be so filthy, well let me tell you it is not.
If a country of 80 million( Germany) can keep their streets clean , why not a tiny nation of 5 million ?.

That also goes for our public transport, Scotland's is disgusting compared to over here. The people are the problem and the solution. Why not remonstrate with anyone you see dropping litter. Let them know it's socially unacceptable.

21

Jimbo's flats a mess,

Mintrouse 24/01/2007 13:39:45

Know what you mean Jennifer, I dont fancy bein beaten to a pulp by some ned or savaged by his staffy pit bull type thing for the sake of a sweetie paper,or dogshit. But people attitudes need to be changed. (perhaps we should carry baseball bats and club the offenders to death?)

22

Guga,

Rockall 24/01/2007 14:14:44

It might help the problem if you could actually find any litter bins.

23

George Bruce,

edinburgh 24/01/2007 14:56:38

Why not send these cctv vans and wardens out in the early hours of Saturday and Sunday mornings when drunks (local and tourists are dumping their carry-outs...also is vomitting littering..mind you these wardens would require a LARGE police presence.

24

Stuart W,

Dundee 24/01/2007 15:24:53

Guga #25

The lack of bins is a red herring - most if not all of these people will drop their litter on the ground irrespective of the presence of a bin. They probably see putting litter in a bin as a mark of weakness.

25

Stuart W,

Dundee 24/01/2007 15:31:39

#13 mv

You're correct that ultimately it's the fault of the litter droppers, but there will always be people who break rules and thus the authorities always need to keep a lid on these things and from what I see the authorities have neglected to do this for a generation at least, as with most other types of minor crimes. Thus the authorities should be held to account.

You're also correct about it not being the fault of fast-food outlets, but some LAs make it a condition of license that such businesses clean up outside their premises. This is shifting the blame, and of course just panders to the litterers and means that we either pay to pick up other litter or it just lies where it's dropped. For years.

Blame-shifting, tokenism, soundbites, management speak, gesture politics - this issue is just the same as so many other issues that our politicians simply can't get a grip on.

26

Stewarty,

24/01/2007 15:32:04

"Rather than fine them why not force two hours of supervised litter clearing up for every offence?"

I agree #16. And whilst doing it they should be required to wear enormous dunces hats.

27

Pete39,

Tassy 25/01/2007 09:07:14

I think that it is very unfair to the younger generation. They should be given the option of a one hundred a fifty pound fine or a caning. In the bad old days, we were always given the option of lines or a belting. I do not think that the wee guys opted for the lines.


 

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