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Published Date:
23 January 2007
CAMERAS to target litter louts look set to return to city streets after more than 150 people were hit with on-the-spot fines during a council crackdown.
The drive led to claims of over-zealous behaviour from the environmental wardens, who were backed by CCTV camera vans and charged with stopping anyone they saw dropping litter or cigarette ends.

But city council bosses say the move proved its worth and they are considering using the same tactics again.

The initiative ran for six weeks before Christmas.

During it, 152 litter louts were punished with fixed penalty notices and 146 businesses were warned for putting waste out for collection when they were not supposed to.

The council's tactics divided public opinion at the time after one woman was stopped for discarding the end of her sandwich, while wardens followed a man into his music class to reprimand him for dropping a cigarette.

A team of seven wardens patrolled the streets, supported the city's CCTV van, which was used to gather evidence.

On one day on George IV Bridge, two large pivoted cameras and several smaller ones on the CCTV unit were filming passers-by, while at least two pairs of wardens patrolled the streets.

Those who were caught littering were hit with £50 on-the-spot fines.

Councillor Sue Tritton, the Lib Dem environment spokeswoman, has called for the vans to be sent out again, suggesting such tough tactics could eventually save the council money on the cost of cleaning the streets.

She said: "Anything that stops the people of Edinburgh from dropping litter has got to be a good thing. It is incredibly expensive to collect litter and the sooner we can get rid of the problem the better.

"I would like to see this sort of thing elsewhere in the city, and there are still other issues that the wardens need to address, but it is a resource issue.

"The litter dropped by school pupils is a real issue across Edinburgh and this needs to be tackled as much as city centre litter."

The latest figures show the number of fines issued for littering fell dramatically over the summer months last year.

The statistics revealed that just 234 penalties were issued in the six months from March to September, compared with 321 in the previous half-year.

The drop comes despite the introduction of Scotland's smoking ban, and the problems of discarded cigarette ends on city streets.

A spokeswoman for Keep Scotland Beautiful backed the council's initiative.

She said: "Unfortunately, there is a minority of people who still drop litter and the council is to be congratulated on using the tools at its disposable to stamp out the problem.

"There is a lot of good preventative work in terms of education going on in Edinburgh but with that you also need the enforcement action to go with it."

Councillor Sheila Gilmore, the city's housing and community leader, said: "The Services for Communities safety unit is constantly reviewing its procedures to ensure a high level of service throughout the city.

"We will continue to assess the service need and target resources where required throughout the city in response to complaints, CIMS [cleanliness index monitoring system] scores and intelligence gathered through routine patrols.

"Edinburgh's community safety partnership has recently agreed to additional coverage to support the work of our environmental wardens."

The CCTV unit, which is operated in partnership by the council and the police, has been used on a weekly basis in the Capital since 2004.

The council has issued around 5000 fixed penalty tickets for littering and fly-tipping since October 2001.

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  • Last Updated: 23 January 2007 1:46 PM
  • Source: Edinburgh Evening News
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Litter
 
1

Angus Mcdonald,

Edinburgh 23/01/2007 12:48:34

WHAT IS THE ISSUE HERE?PEOPLE ARE EMPLOYED TO CLEAN THE STREETS UP. SURELY THE REAL ISSUE HERE SHOULD BE TO SORT OUT THE ROADS AND PAVEMENTS IN THE CITY AND SORT THEM OUT QUICKLY TOO.

2

Alan F,

Tollcross 23/01/2007 12:49:57

So what about using the same tactics to catch the idiots that spray huge amounts of grafitti around town in the middle of the night, or are they not as easy to catch, unlike the people who were followed for the hanging offence of dropping a cigarette end?

If they tried that with me they would get an earful of abuse. Police state?

3

A Friend of Fernando Poo,

Newington 23/01/2007 12:55:51

For once I'll congratulate the Council. It's about time these slobs were prevented from turning public spaces into the sort of pig sties they were undoubtedly raised in. Never mind fines. I'd have them eat their litter.

4

Concerned of Stockbridge,

23/01/2007 12:56:11

The cameras should be backed up with Loudspeakers to name and shame the litterer and request that they pick up what they've just dropped, if that fails, then remote controlled paintguns would ensure that their crimes don't go unnoticed.

5

mv,

23/01/2007 12:57:38

#1, Typical comment from todays selfish society (not my problem), whatever faults the council have ,and its a long list, they do not cause litter, the public are the cause of the litter problem. The streets of Edinburgh are full of litter mainly caused by smokers and chewing gum...

You also have a problem with your caps lock!

6

Grumpy,

23/01/2007 13:00:19

Just think though - the council will probably get £250 each for showing the videos on You've been Framed. But I'd rather they spent their time trying to catch muggers, car thieves, rapists, and drunks who insist on wakening the whole neighbourhood at 4am with their loutish yells and shouts.

7

Andy Th,

Edinburgh 23/01/2007 13:01:32

The simple fact is, people shouldnt litter the streets - they get all they deserve. Why should my council tax be spent cleaning up other people?

8

Jakey Rowling,

23/01/2007 13:06:33

Instead of calling it a crackdown, why not make it the norm for a year or so, then you might get people to change. A few weeks of enforcement now and again is pointless.

9

God Bless you Mary Poppins,

23/01/2007 13:11:32

Agree with the Jake.

People need to show a lot more personal responibility.

If the do it too often they should have their faces rubbed in Dog Muck.

If they still insist after that , dog muck should be put in their bed and inside the pillow cases.

10

petrol head,

Edinburgh 23/01/2007 13:12:31

Another example of over-zealous enforcement. Do people realise that these wardens do not have the power to demand personal details? Only the Police have that power. If they follow you around they potentially leave themselves open to charges of harrassment. They also do not have the power to enter premises.

Whilst I agree that Edinburgh's streets should be kept clean, nit-picking and harrassing people is not the way to go about it. I've always said that the law should be enforced by the Police, not by jumped up "wardens". Like many other "enforcement" schemes, this is designed to make money.

The real problem lies not with traders leaving rubbish out a couple of hours prior to collection. It lies with the fact that some people have little or no consideration for the consequences of their actions. No 5 mentioned smoking debris. I agree that this has got worse recently and we all know the reason why. When people smoked inside pubs, their ash and butts generally went into the ashtray and there wasn't a litter problem. Yet another rreason why we need to see the ban reversed.

11

K,

23/01/2007 13:17:22

Yet again, another excuse to squeeze money out of the public.

Why not use the money and effort to get the neds and criminals off the streets and make Edinburgh a safer place to live? Have wardens follow THEM around with video camera'!

Having said that, I wouldn't be surprised if us taxpayers end up having to pay compensation when this kind of enforcement results in breaches of human rights..

12

Nai,

23/01/2007 13:19:05

Let's hope they crack down on people who spit their chewing gum out on the pavement too. There can't be a square metre of central Edinburgh pavement that doesn't have at least one piece of used chewing gum stuck to it.

13

inter alia,

the capital 23/01/2007 13:21:14

#1: Angus McDonaldson: you're bawling again. Steady tiger.

14

John Knox for First Meenister,

High ST, Edinburgh 23/01/2007 13:28:08

#10 don't pubs have receptacles outside for butts? Let me get this right – you think that the fact that smokers dump their rubbish in the street is an argument for letting them smoke in pubs? As their reward for their bad behaviour? Weird.

15

The Judge,

23/01/2007 13:38:41

I called the cleansing department today about items dumped at the gates of the city councils dump on Dalkeith Road, they have been there for 5 days so far. I have counted at least 20 refuse vehicles drive past them when I was out walking the dog.

I have reported a burned out stolen motorbike in the same area almost 4 weeks ago, its still there.

When the council can't even pick up dumped items right outside one of their own depots then what chance have they got in changing peoples attitudes to dropping litter.

16

Martin.,

23/01/2007 13:39:15

This strikes me as a totally sensible approach to preventing the streets becoming filty. Why should we all to put up with this selfish behaviour? Why should we have to pay to clean up after those too selfish or lazy to correctly dispose of their own garbage?

Perhaps if this sort of enforcement became more of a permanent feature then we'd all be living in a much better environment and spend less on cleaning up after these slobs.

17

Martin.,

23/01/2007 13:43:37

#10. Reverse the ban on smoking because of the additional litter created by smokers? Crazy! It actually sounds to me like the inconsiderate, selfish and anti-social behaviour of these smokers freely littering our streets with their butts actually makes a stronger case for banning smoking in public places full stop.

18

Jakey Rowling,

23/01/2007 13:48:17

#10
Don't agree with the over zealous comment. Ideally people would take personal responsibility but don't, so they need to be forced. The city's streets are a disgrace in many parts.
Agree the enforcers are a bit of a joke but they're hardly profit making if the previous info on fines handed out were accurate. This area needs to be addressed though.
What's wrong with fining litter louts and making a profit, it's easy enough to avoid the penalties and eventually the role would disappear.
Why not extend the role of the parking enforcers ………

19

K,

23/01/2007 13:55:47

Yet again, another excuse to squeeze money out of the public.

Why not use the money and effort to get the neds and criminals off the streets and make Edinburgh a safer place to live? Have wardens follow THEM around with video camera'!

Having said that, I wouldn't be surprised if us taxpayers end up having to pay compensation when this kind of enforcement results in breaches of human rights..

20

ddmc,

23/01/2007 14:05:38

#1 I stuck up for you in another thread but you need to stop shouting. Your point about roads & pavements is also valid, the council deliberatly allowed them to fall into ruin & then use the congestion charge to pay for the repairs, they didn't have a plan B when they were told to get on their bikes (no pun intended).
If you go to Wester Hailes shopping centre they (enviro wardens) hang around there in a gang of 6 usually avoiding the druggies & picking on the school kids.

21

d smith,

Edinburgh 23/01/2007 14:20:54

BIG BROTHER IS WATCHING YOU
wonder how many times in a day you are caught on camera?????

i think its targeting the smokers yet again, there is much more in this country that decent money should be going to

22

bikerider1,

23/01/2007 14:22:42

the litter problem though caused by lazy people , it is exascerbated by the council doing away with the old style street cleaners. they may occasionally send a truck up and down the street to clean the gutters, but that does nothing to clean the pavements where the litter lies

23

edin_man2006,

moredun 23/01/2007 14:23:32

I am disgusted by the way the council in this country behave.The government are wrong to beleive that they can spy on people whenever they want. They already rule enough aspects of our lives without us having to worry about them breathing over our shoulders everytime we go for a walk.The amount of cctv cameras in this country is appaulling and we should be doing something about reducing that number rather than praising the camera happy facists for once again intruding into our private lifes.We were put on this world as equals so why is tis allowed?

24

Xena - Warrior Princess,

Nannyland 23/01/2007 14:32:32

#11 and #19 I am in complete agreement with you. In fact I really like that idea of following the real criminals about their daily life. It just seems to me that the powers that be pick on easy targets instead of the ones that really matter to people, like being able to walk the street safely (littered or not).

25

God Bless you Mary Poppins,

23/01/2007 14:38:14

If it happens a third time they shold be made to eat the dog muck, and if they throw up they should have to eat it all again, ad naseum.

26

K,

23/01/2007 14:47:49

#23 - Have you ever been the victim of crime whilst going about your rightful business? Ever been mugged/raped/beaten up in broad daylight? Ever had property damaged or stolen? Ask any person who has been affected by any of these crimes and they will whole heartedly agree with "Big Brother".
If you expect to live in a civilised world, you are expected to behave in a civilised manner.

What on Earth do you do from day to day that makes you feel threatened with the thought of a CCTV camera catching sight of you?

If we have the resources to "spy" and catch people that are disposing of litter, the same resources can be used to catch the REAL criminals who deserve to be punished.

27

rab, glasgow,

23/01/2007 14:51:32

17. Martin. / You are an idiot' with a problem' full stop.

10. petrol head, Edinburgh /Well said.

28

Rod,

Kirkliston - The European Village Jewel 23/01/2007 14:51:33

#9 If the do it too often they should have their faces rubbed in Dog Muck.

Yes, it would certainly encourage them to turd a new leaf.

29

<*((((((><,

on cctv (probably) 23/01/2007 14:52:32

Did the amount of money raised by the fines cover the cost of the Hitler Youth (sorry wardens) and the cctv van?

30

Martin.,

23/01/2007 14:56:57

#27. Would you care to qualify your badly punctuated and childish insult?

31

B.B.John,

Lothian 23/01/2007 15:03:41

Martin #17

I smoke. I don't litter. I am not selfish.
I am not lazy.

32

Ham Shank,

Edinburgh 23/01/2007 15:14:09

I knew someone who was fined £50 because they were outside the pub, chatting to their mate, having a cigarette. They stubbed it out in the flower box outside the pub cause there was no container to put the cigarrette into and as the flower pot was already full of cigarrettes assumed this would be okay.

These environmental wardens then followed him into the pub and gave him a £50 fine, the week before christmas.

If you cause noise pollution for playing your stereo too loud on a thursday night you are liable for a £40 fine under the Civic Govt (Scotland) Act. If you drink on the streets and refuse to give the police your alcohol you are liable to be charged the same amount under the same legislation. But god forbid you drop a fag butt outside the pub. Have these people heard of PROPORTIONALITY. It is a joke.

Additionally, I for one am sick of this nanny culture and police state. Give it 20 years, George Orwell will be pretty near the mark

33

A Friend of Fernando Poo,

Newington 23/01/2007 15:34:14

#32 Ham Shank: offers us the man who put his butt into the flowers.

That's worse still than just dropping it into the street. Flowers brighten up the place - what have they done to deserve being poisoned by someone's old butt?

Ah, but everyone else did it too? Well I'm sorry, but "They did it too" ceased to be a valid excuse at age about two and a half.

Your pal can ask for one of the little packets the Rxecutive provide for storing his butts for later disposal. They not only don't cost fifty quid. They don't cost anything.

34

Colin G,

Edinburgh 23/01/2007 15:39:25

Why would anyone give their name or address to a litter inspector?

Not as if they can be traced through their car numberplate as for parking tickets etc.

35

God Bless you Mary Poppins,

23/01/2007 15:44:48

True Colin. I would try not to litter in the first place, but If I was apprehended I would snigger and run off.

36

Darren,

Edin 23/01/2007 15:57:45

Actually, they can't do a thing! Without police, they do not have authority to detain, question, search or fine you as they do not have the authority to caution you under ANY act.

Edin council wanting more money..... dont get enough with the blue meanies or council tax do they?

37

Jakey Rowling,

23/01/2007 16:12:25

#32
" Have these people heard of PROPORTIONALITY."
Have you heard how much it costs to go around cleaning up after people like you.
It's not a difficult thing to do, too many people think the street is their personal bin. Ironic thing is half these people probably moan about the mess wondering why it's not cleaned up better.

38

Martin.,

23/01/2007 16:18:42

#31. Good for you, but I didn't accused all smokers of being lazy, selfish or litterers, so it suprises me that you feel the need to defend your behaviour to me.

39

fife twosie,

Fife 23/01/2007 16:31:09

~6 Grumpy - I think you'll find that the offences you list are generally dealt with by the Police and not the Council.

40

Jakey Rowling,

23/01/2007 16:42:25

#40
Proof of what exactly.
1. That it costs a fortune to try and fight the losing battle to keep our streets clean.
2. That people just dump thing on the street without thinking or caring.
3. The actual percentage who think they can dump their litter where they want and that someone else will deal with it.

1 and 2 are self evident, the % in #3 is debateable, hence the probably, but the point stands IMO.

I take it you think the streets of Edinburgh are OK and that nothing is needed to tackle it.

41

rab, glasgow,

23/01/2007 17:00:07

30. Martin. /You talk about puncutuation, what about your get out of what you did not say post ,39/ not making sence?And in case you havent noticed smoking is allready banned in public places, there was no case for the ban it was forced on the public by joke mcnumpty and his bullying executive with false reports of passive smoking killing one thousand people a year.

42

RB2,

City Centre 23/01/2007 17:46:01

Having been away from Edinburgh for a few years, I was been shocked and disgusted by the state of this beautiful city's streets. Every inch of pavement in the city centre is littered with cigarette ends and chewing gum. No amount of money spent by the council on new paving slabs ( just LOOK at South Bridge already!) or bins (I watch smokers regularly stubb out on the tops and then chuck their ends on the road....and who wants giant ashtrays on the street anyway??) can ever replace the need for good old-fashioned pride - in oursleves, our city, our fellow human beings and our environment.

43

shooter,

23/01/2007 17:49:59

30 Martin / get a life

44

keit011,

edinburgh 23/01/2007 17:57:01

i think the council sit in the offices and laugh at us all i have not been in edinburgh city for a while because i couldnt park but all the cleansing guys are usually found at the shops at sighthill having a bacon roll before the have to rush around to westerhails centre for a steak bake

45

keit011,

edinburgh 23/01/2007 18:04:10

why did the council take the litter bins away from the streets in the first place it wasnt as if they werent being used they were usually overflowing because the council werent emptying them

46

Martin.,

23/01/2007 18:11:52

#43. Very well then, I take it from your response that you're not prepared to qualify your earlier insult. Hey ho, can't say I'm suprised.

Incidentally I think you'll find the ban on smoking only extends to enclosed public spaces.

47

Martin.,

23/01/2007 18:12:17

#45. Already got one thanks. ;-)

48

Repton,

edinburgh 23/01/2007 18:25:49

High time we set about the louts who spit their chewing gum out.That filthy stuff is near impossible to get off your shoes and the pavements.

49

KWC,

Liberton, Edinburgh 23/01/2007 18:43:53

This is great news. I would like a camera in my street. If this is the only way to educate people, so be it.

A few weeks ago I asked a lout why he didn't use the bin a the bus stop we were standing at, in stead of just droping his chip paper. The bin was only three feet away. I got the usual reply.

They need eduated if this is a typical action.

(If there had been no one else at the bus stop, I would have hit the guy. Perhaps I need educated!)

50

Meredith Baxter,

23/01/2007 18:49:00

Yet another crap EN 'poll' (above right). TWO options that knock the Council position, and just one agreeing with it. Wonderful fair objective journalism as usual. Well done Evening News, for maintaining your usual standards of disgusting bias.

51

petrol head,

Edinburgh 23/01/2007 18:54:25

#48 Martin. When you have decided to actually think before posting rubbish please let us all know.

To everyone else it is blindingly obvious that if you force people to stand outside a pub and add beer to the equation then a mess is going to result. I know that smokers shouldn't drop their fag-ends in the street. I know there is no excuse for it.

However, the fact of the matter is that it happens and moaning about it is not going to stop it. The smoking ban was introduced under false pretences as Rab has pointed out. There is no need for it. It is having no positive effect on public health. It marginalises people and cause people like you who are too lazy to think to discriminate against others.

Segregated areas would be the solution. In that way, those who don't like the smell of tobacco smoke can stay in one area and those who smoke plus those who aren't worried about tobacco smoke can share the rest of the pub.

They have this in Canada already and they usually find that the smoking area (behind a glass screen and ventiated properly) is packed whereas the non-smoking area is almost empty. doesn't that tell you something? Also, they don't have problems with piles of fag-ends littering the street.

52

rab, glasgow,

23/01/2007 18:54:49

48. Martin. / If you are suggesting that the numpty pc prats at folyrood extend the ban to satisfy idiots like yourself , then you are too late , they have tried and failed in that dept.

53

Jakey Rowling,

23/01/2007 19:11:58

#50
Is that why you have been down the GUM clinic so often :)

54

Stuart W,

Dundee 23/01/2007 19:38:22

The problem with measures like this is that littering has been a creeping problem for decades but it's only when it's become ingrained in a section of the population that the authorities take action, then it's easy for people to wail about over-zealousness and the like.

#1 demostrates the attitude of some people, who expect just to drop their litter anywhere then the rest of us pay council orderlies to clean up after them.

And of course a major problem is that only certain areas are cleaned regularly enough to look anything like pristine, thus the rest of the country is slowing turning into a rubbish tip.

The problem with the likes of Angus at #1 is that no local authority will stomach devoting enough resources to keep the whole of their area pristine, and why should they merely to pander to the likes of Angus?

We're pandering enough to that attitude as it is.

55

Stuart W,

Dundee 23/01/2007 19:54:44

Petrol head #10

The police simply aren't interested in things like littering, hence the current mess (both literally and metaphorically!)

And if the police did take action as you would like then you'd be moaning "what about the real criminals" and still characterising any fine as revenue raising and the like.

You seem bothered about littering but also bothered about enforcing, but you really can't have it both ways because it's self-evident that the lack of enforcement over decades has caused the problem.

You also say:

"It lies with the fact that some people have little or no consideration for the consequences of their actions. No 5 mentioned smoking debris. I agree that this has got worse recently and we all know the reason why."

You then blame this on the smoking ban but in fact the real reason is stated by yourself at the outset of the passage I quoted.

If you look at pubs with bins for fag ends outside them most of smokers still drop their doupies on the pavemente.

I'm not a big fan on the smoking ban, but excusing littering on this basis is about as logical as excusing an underage driver's dangeous driving on the fact that he's banned from driving legally.

56

I'm no really here,

23/01/2007 20:09:46

A very expensive camera system. I hope they use it for more than just litter

57

NorT,

Edinburgh 23/01/2007 21:15:59

It is about time that the little hitlers and the gestapo also know as environmental wardens were disbanded.

58

florence f,

Edinburgh 23/01/2007 22:55:48

I wish they'd bring these cameras, and the wardens, out to East Craigs. The kids from Craigmount make the most disgusting mess every lunchtime when they go to Somerfield's and the chip shop for lunch and i would love to see some of them get done for it, as the school doesn't seem to care or be prepared to do anything at all to clear up. And BTW there are bins, they just prefer to chuck their rubbish on the ground.

59

Arthur,

23/01/2007 23:13:20

This has been tried in other places where the operaters can also talk to the offender and ask him to pick it up it nearly always shames them into doing so.
The point raised about chewing gum which is a filthy disgusting habit, is quite correct. It's horrible stuff
which sticks to everything and should be banned.
Theother point about smoking is obvious, If you have a totally unneccessary ban which marginilises people
and discriminates against 25% of the population then even a halfwit would realise that more smoking is going to happen outside. Not all pubs have external ash trays and not all councils provide sufficient and appropriate litter bins to get rid of the ends in.
Since it is apparently an offence to drop them down a drain, which is what I try to do, in the absence of an appropriate recepticle, what else do you think is going to happen. Personally I no longer care about what the non smoking fraternity think of my pleasure and I will drop my fag end where I like
if no bin is available. You make regard this as a protest, which is what I would still purport is what most other smokers are doing either conciously or not.
In any event fag ends are a small proportion of the problem, which the ban it brigade have brought on themselves, and so have no right to complain, ther are far mor serious littering issues in need of rectification, so for once get of the smokers backs
you have your fatuous ban, Let's sort out graffitti,
chewing gum, used condoms, hypodermic needles
animal excrement, fly posting, leafleting, etc. etc.

60

Statsman,

23/01/2007 23:49:33

#33. A Friend of Fernando Poo

Ash is a fertiliser.

PC twit.

61

scottishcoffindodgerno1,

Edinburgh 24/01/2007 08:17:22

well named petrol head, says it all.More Wardens 24/7 are what is needed untill all petrol heads get the message.

62

scottishcoffindodgerno1,

Edinburgh 24/01/2007 08:20:53

KIDS WHO WERE BORN IN THE
>


> 1940's, 50's, 60's and 70's !!
>
> First, we survived being born to mothers who smoked and/or drank while they carried us.
>
> They took aspirin, ate blue cheese dressing, tuna from a tin, and didn't get tested for diabetes.
>
> Then after that trauma, our baby cots were covered with bright colored lead-based paints.
>
> We had no childproof lids on medicine bottles, doors or cabinets and when we rode our bikes, we had no helmets, not to mention, the risks we took hitchhiking .
>
> As children, we would ride in cars with no seat belts or air bags.


>
> Riding in the back of a van - loose - was always great fun.
>
>
> We drank water from the garden hosepipe and NOT from a bottle.


> We shared one soft drink with four friends, from one bottle and NO ONE actually died from this.


>
> We ate cakes, white bread and real butter and drank pop with sugar in it, but we weren't overweight because......


> WE WERE ALWAYS OUTSIDE PLAYING!!


>
> We would leave home in the morning and play all day, as long as we were back when the streetlights came on.


>


> No one was able to reach us all day. And we were O.K.
>
> We would spend hours building our go-carts out of scraps and then ride down the hill, only to find out we forgot the brakes. After running into the bushes a few times, we learned to solve the problem .
>
> We did not have Playstations, Nintendo's, X-boxes, no video games at all, no 99 channels on cable, no video tape movies, no surround sound, no cell phones, no text messaging, no personal computers, no Internet or Internet chat rooms..........WE HAD FRIENDS and we went outside and found them!
>
>
&g

63

mv,

24/01/2007 10:11:02

I assume the people that see this as a problem are the very ones causing the litter, smokers and gum chewers. Hopefully you will get caught soon, fined and learn a lesson.

Then the rest of us can look forward to a cleaner city!

64

Haggismaker,

Northern Bohemia 24/01/2007 10:40:03

No cameras please. Visions of Brave New World...

65

Als,

THE MOTHERLAND!!! 24/01/2007 11:22:30

IM IN UR STREETS
STALKING UR SMOKERS. =)

66

A Friend of Fernando Poo,

Newington 24/01/2007 12:47:58

#62 Statsman informs me that ash is a fertiliser, by way of excusing slobs who put their butts into potted plants.

I have news Statsman: shit is a fertiliser too, but regardless of how you've been raised, you could also expect a fine if you shit into someone's potted plant.

Social graces: they're not just a good idea, they're the law.

67

edin_man2006,

moredun 24/01/2007 19:31:36

"26" K

I dont disagree completely with the use of cctv cameras, but i think the number of them in this country is far more than needed.

Oh and on a day to day basis i just like to take advantage of someting i have rightfully been given e.g PRIVACY without it being interrupted by cctv. whether or not im doing something wrong doesnt matter i should be aloud the right NOT to be watched if i want.This is what you people need too get through your heads, wake up and stop letting people watch us and strip us of our rights.

If we have the resources to "spy" and catch people that are disposing of litter, the same resources can be used to catch the REAL criminals who deserve to be punished.----------------point taken but soon we will find this situation will be a big problem as more and more cctv cameras are integrated into our lives, our freedom and privacy will slowly diminish until one day we become so helpless as to do anything about it.Its people like you, no matter how good intentioned you are who are inevitably leading us in this direction.

Also maybe some of us dont want to live in a civilized world, especially one based on greed and consumerism, but like many others it is the life forced upon us.

68

simply the best....,

edinburgh 24/01/2007 21:38:16

doin someone else out of a job . thats the job they wanted.

69

Starburst,

Borders 24/01/2007 23:05:03

#64 you are spot on
trouble now is all the political correctness and pampering thta goes on
Using a mobile phone while driving became illegal with a fine , now points as well , whats next Jail ? or should I say hotel
sorry no room
and now litter cameras - eventually jail
think we need to turn all our grand hotels into jails to house everyone in the manner the do gooders expect

We could of course send the real villains and scumbags to Afghanistan to act as cannon fodder for the troops killing 2 birds with 1 stone

70

hughie 2,

Logan City Queensland Australia 25/01/2007 06:09:27

Good for the council, I wish our state government would bring it in and

ENFORCE IT

perhaps the slogan should be

"PLEASE DONT RUBBISH OUR CITY"

The last time I was in Edinburgh my memories are of streets that had had lots of rubbish and persistent beggers

And the bus was dirty on the inside the grimey seats left my clothes filthy
And I love Edinburgh

so good on the council "keep up the good work.".


 

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