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Published Date: 31 October 2008
THE Prime Minister today hit the by-election campaign trail for the second time in less than a week with a return visit to Glenrothes.
He did so as bookies cut the odds against Labour holding the seat, now putting them on even money while the SNP have moved to 8/11.

But the visit also came against the backdrop of a row over the Lloyds TSB-HBOS bank merger, with a Scottish financi
al figure accusing Mr Brown and the Chancellor of trying to "railroad" the merger through.

The campaign got off to a low-key start with a visit to the UK headquarters of window manufacturer Velux, which employs 450 in Glenrothes.

But the temperature was due to rise later on with an attack on the SNP.

Ahead of a private visit to the Brand-REX plant, owned by entrepreneur David Murray, which supplies cables to the MoD, Mr Brown said: "Labour knows Scotland is stronger as part of the UK.

"The SNP's commitment to divorce Scotland from the UK would put too many jobs at risk like those at the Brand-REX factory I am visiting."

During his visit to the Velux plant Mr Brown was accompanied by Labour candidate Lindsay Roy, 59, a local headteacher.

The Prime Minister and Mr Roy toured work stations in the company's contact centre.

The Danish-owned family firm makes roof lights and solar panels, and Mr Brown disclosed he had a solar panel at his home in North Queensferry.
He extolled Mr Roy to the assembled employees.

"We fought for this by-election to replace John MacDougall, an excellent Member of Parliament and very good friend of mine, we wanted someone who was not an ordinary politician," he said.

"Lindsay, as a head teacher, has huge experience of how to deal with anti-social behaviour, helping young people realise their potential, helping young people into jobs.

"That is why we chose him as a candidate – to send a different message about what can be achieved for the future."

The Prime Minister continued: "Our task at the moment, given that we have this huge set of global problems that we are trying to deal with, is to help people fairly through these difficult times and to do everything it takes to get our economy moving forward again.

"That's why I've tried to persuade the rest of the world to do some of the things we have done.

"That is why we also need people in Parliament to speak up for the concerns and needs in every community of this constituency."

Mr Brown joked that when he first became an MP in Fife in 1983, his election manifesto had emphasised the need to elect an MP with youth and fresh ideas.

"At the last election I put on my manifesto this constituency needs a Member of Parliament with maturity."

Today's visit came six days after Mr Brown paid his first campaign visit to Glenrothes, breaking with several years of Prime Ministerial tradition.

Tony Blair did not take part in by-elections after 1997, and initially this tradition was cited to explain Mr Brown's absence from Glasgow East and later the early stages of the Glenrothes campaign.

Today's visit ran the risk of being overshadowed by the row over the Lloyds TSB HBOS merger.

The accusation that Mr Brown and the Chancellor were trying to "railroad" the merger through came from Jim Spowart, founder of Intelligent Finance, who said today: "A merger with Lloyds TSB is not the best option.

"And with thousands of jobs in the balance I implore Mr Brown to think again."

Mr Spowart said the banking sector rescue package which took place after the initial merger announcement had changed the circumstances, and that HBOS could have a future on its own.

Mr Spowart, who signed an open letter in support of Labour in the 2007 Scottish election, said: "If a Labour Government presides over the decimation of the Scottish banking sector and the virtual disappearance of our oldest bank, it will cause a lot of people to question what the point of the union is."

Meanwhile, reports today suggested most of the top jobs in a merged Lloyds TSB and HBOS would go to Lloyds TSB executives, with only a few going to executives of HBOS or the Bank of Scotland.

The Glenrothes by-election, in which voters go the polls on Thursday, was caused by the death of John MacDougall, who had a majority over the SNP of 10,664 at the last general election.

At first the election was seen as utterly critical to the political future for Mr Brown after Labour's spectacular loss of Glasgow East to the SNP, but the contest has since been overshadowed by the world's economic woes.



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1

Resolutions,

31/10/2008 13:23:46
Sounds like increasingly desparate tactics are being used from headlines elsewhere!

I wonder how many 'candidates' and their 'high visibility' supporters are actually speaking to voters?
2

Number 6,

Germany 31/10/2008 13:37:35
Both Brown and Darling are being constantly ridiculed within the financial world for their idiotic policies.
What sane person would vote for this useless article ?.
3

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31/10/2008 13:47:23
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JCA REID,

Annan 31/10/2008 13:49:50
It's a bit rich PM Brown saying jobs would be lost with the 'divorce' of Scotland from the rest of UK. He was elected to Westminster in 1983 on a Labour Manifesto that would have SCRAPPED the dockyards at FASLANE & ROSYTH, (is it in his OWN Constituency? If not it's damn close to it!). Scottish jobs have continuously & consistently been scrapped to 'go south'. We have subsidised them for long enough! Apparently the Republic of Ireland is attracting loads of jobs & work simply because they are divorced from Westminster. I can recall many years ago whilst studying Business that the Business Rates in Scotland were kept DELIBERATELY high so that businesses would set up in England & deliver to Scotland as this would make it cheaper than paying these high rates. This doesn't say much for his Green Policies either! Some 'Union', some Partnership, where one 'partner is constantly being cr*pped upon by the other!!
5

GM,

31/10/2008 13:50:15
Lets get one thing straight....
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Labour have a 10,000+ majority in this seat so they should be EXPECTED to win it.

Not Lose,
Not Scrape it by a few hundred votes

but win and win by a big margin.

The very fact that (and the Scotsman) seem to be reporting the chance of a narrow win as some kind of 'turnaround' in fortunes is frankly astonishing.
How can the loss of approx 10,000 votes in one of the safest seats in Scotland right next to the Prime Ministers patch be anything other than a disaster?
6

Queen D,

Glasgow 31/10/2008 13:54:01
Thanks to this story in the Scotsman, I thought I'd like to place a bet.
I am not familiar with bookies but I tried 4 different ones NONE of whom were taking bets.
One of the girls behind the counter of on betting shop asked if Glenrothes was about the US election!!
7

Queen D,

Glasgow 31/10/2008 13:56:23
So Scotsman WHERE can I place a bet eh?
Not William Hill , not Ladbrokes , not Betfred and not Totes.
8

Alan B,

31/10/2008 14:04:54
Cannot understand why anyone would vote for Brown the clown.


Brown is to chancellors as Bush is to presidents.
9

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31/10/2008 14:06:22
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Stephen_Gash,

Carlisle England 31/10/2008 14:13:03
Please vote SNP. We need to be rid of the ball and chain.
Look at all the jobs losses in the Halifax building society in Scotland. All those jobs going in Scotland just to protect English jobs.
Just think on that and PLEASE vote SNP.
11

Rufus T. Firefly,

31/10/2008 14:21:01
Worried bookmakers have stopped taking bets on aliens showing up on Earth.

It follows a flurry of bets amid internet buzz that a massive intergalactic spaceship will appear tomorrow.

Videos and messages on YouTube, blogs and UFO websites are buzzing with predictions that a vessel from the alien Federation Of Light will be visible in our skies for three days.

It may all sound more oddball than odds-on — but bookies William Hill are taking it seriously enough to temporarily suspend betting on proof of the existence of intelligent alien life.

A spokesman for William Hill said that if Alien Life does appear he fears the company will take a five figure hammering.

The spokesman also said he was grateful to Alex Salmond for advising the SNP activists to make bets on the SNP winning Glenrothes however.

All bets on this outcome are still being accepted.
12

Rufus T. Firefly,

31/10/2008 14:26:54
I see the email advising all the SNP losers to vote for the SNP had a scanned betting slip attached.

Such detail to attention is admirable.

Traquir Old Chap, see when Salmond sends out his tips for the X Factor and Strictly Come Dancing, could you forward them onto me?
13

Vivas,

Edinburgh 31/10/2008 14:27:37
Jesus ! If Superman arriving twice in Glenrothes for a flying visit can have such an amazing effect in the odds, then why doesn't he just stay there until election day and turn the 10K majority into a 20K one ?

Talk about journalists writing the story they were going to write anyway eh ... ?
14

Alastair the First,

31/10/2008 14:29:46
Labour are the ones who have been trying to rig the odds - has been going on for some time. However when someone suggests beating them at their own game, the Scotsman runs a story making out that it was SNP supporters who started it. Pathetic - Pravda had more truth in it than this pathetic rag.

I really hope Cyclops Quisling Brown gets a real kicking in Glenrothes. And loses the by-election too....
15

Calum10,

31/10/2008 14:31:35
The Brand-REX factory in Glenrothes has been steadily losing jobs for the last 5 to 6 years. Also there is company talk of factory rationalisation, with more jobs to go, as the UK economy heads into recession.

So for Gordon Brown say, "The SNP's commitment to divorce Scotland from the UK would put too many jobs at risk like those at the Brand-REX factory I am visiting" will be seen by the Glenrothes workforce as complete nonsense.

Methinks that Gordon Brown has shot himself in the foot on this one.
16

brownlie,

31/10/2008 14:32:23
12 daniel

I wonder if those who mourn loved ones who were killed due to soldiers/airmen being ill-equipped would be so willing to buy a drink for Gordon Brown.
17

Rufus T. Firefly,

31/10/2008 14:32:33
15 Jackie Priest,31/10/2008 14:23:35
#12

"He (Brown) is totally driven by his dream/obsession of being the big world leader".

Its not a dream Jackie Priest/Parcel/Spanners its a fact of life. Do you never watch the news? The national news that is, not Scotland Today or Reporting Scotland.

Salmond is the one with the dream. He is First Minister in a Mickey Mouse Parliament with no powers.

He mixes with the power houses of the Isle of Man, Jersey and Guernsey whilst Brown is being hailed the economic saviour of the world!

Not much difference there eh?

Salmond is good though for getting people to go into bookies and put bets on though. Thats his level.
18

brownlie,

31/10/2008 14:45:52
Red-face and bto

Why do you plead with God to save the Queen who does not give a monkeys for you?

She does not even know who you are - unless you're one of Edward's special friends.

I can imagine her saying to Philip "Darling, these dreadful little oicks are singing our tune - Aren't peasants revolting. Get the staff to boil a Corgi - I quite fancy a hot-dog".
19

Yeah1,

31/10/2008 14:50:08
#5

"The very fact that the Scotsman seem to be reporting the chance of a narrow win for labour as some kind of 'turnaround' in fortunes is frankly astonishing.
How can the loss of approx 10,000 votes in one of the safest seats in Scotland right next to the Prime Ministers patch be anything other than a disaster?"

It would be an achievement for labour to hold onto Glenrothes. Considering they are currently very unpopular and are trailing the SNP in Scotland it would be a great achievement to retain the seat.

Just because they won in by 10,000 votes in 2005 does not mean retaining it by 100 in 2008 would be a 'disaster'.

to use a crude example - say Celtic won the league by 20 points one season, and then the following season were trailing Rangers by several points before coming back to win by 1 point.

Would that be a disaster because they had won by 20 points the previous season? Or a great achievement because they had come from behind to win by 1 point?
20

Rufus T. Firefly,

31/10/2008 14:52:00
Hey BTO did you realise that that idiot 'Aberdeen Scot aka Kyle the Carrot aka Ayrshire Scot) was impersonating you on the forum this morning before it got pulled?

The really disgusting, puerile and infantile posts gave the clown away.
21

brownlie,

31/10/2008 14:53:14
29 yeah1

Hey, yeah, you will alienate Rufus and bto with your example - irrespective of how crude and infantile it may be.
22

Yeah1,

31/10/2008 14:54:14
#28

"Why do you plead with God to save the Queen who does not give a monkeys for you?"

Just because they are unionists does not necessarily mean they support the Queen.

It is possible to be a unionist and a republican too, just as it is possible to be a supporter of independence and a royalist as well (as presumably Alex Salmond is, since he wants to retain the Queen as the monarch even if Scotland becomes independent).
23

brownlie,

31/10/2008 14:55:01
30 Red-face

If the impersonation was disgusting, puerile and infantile then it was spot on.

BTW Are you talking to yourself?
24

Yeah1,

31/10/2008 14:55:08
#31

"Hey, yeah, you will alienate Rufus and bto with your example - irrespective of how crude and infantile it may be."

Why do I care if I would alienate them? And how is my example 'infantile'?
25

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31/10/2008 14:55:27
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brownlie,

31/10/2008 14:56:53
32 yeah1

Have a look on the football threads and you will see what I mean. They forced the Scotsman to abandon comments on the "Old Firm".
27

Yeah1,

31/10/2008 14:57:28
#35

"Thanks for the invitation to dance, but
I am afraid I don,t dance with Unionists"

You only dance with your 'own kind' do you?

Perhaps you think there should be segregation too, so you don't have to come into contact with unionists on public transport or in restaurants...
28

Yeah1,

31/10/2008 14:58:16
#36

"Have a look on the football threads and you will see what I mean. They forced the Scotsman to abandon comments on the "Old Firm"."

And as I've said, I don't care if my example alienates them or not...Now why is my example 'infantile'?
29

brownlie,

31/10/2008 14:58:34
34 yeah1

Infantile because you cannot equate politics with how well or how badly football teams play.
30

Rufus T. Firefly,

31/10/2008 15:01:23
"28 brownlie,31/10/2008 14:45:52

I can imagine her saying to Philip "Darling, these dreadful little oicks are singing our tune - Aren't peasants revolting. Get the staff to boil a Corgi - I quite fancy a hot-dog"."

Hey Brownlie, you need to cut back on your medication, or maybe increase it. One of the two.

What on earth are you talking about?
31

brownlie,

31/10/2008 15:02:35
40 Red-face

Demonstrating that others can print nonsense as well as you.
32

Rufus T. Firefly,

31/10/2008 15:03:51
For any SNP drones that are on and are just about to head down the bookies, get a double on with Figurita at
Uttoxeter in the 15:10 Mares Novice Hurdle
33

Rufus T. Firefly,

31/10/2008 15:04:29
41 Brownlie you superceded me at my best.
34

Yeah1,

31/10/2008 15:05:58
#39

"Infantile because you cannot equate politics with how well or how badly football teams play."

I said myself that it was a crude example - I was not equating politics with football, I was using my example to illustrate that just because a large victory is achieved on one occasion, it does not necessarily mean that a small victory on the following occasion is a 'disaster' - particularly if that victory is achieved by coming from behind against the odds.
35

Yeah1,

31/10/2008 15:07:22
#44

"Hey, it's Rufus, Bring them on and Yeah 1

A unionist troll fest!"

I'm confused, why do you think I'm a unionist? Just because I disagree with some of the stuff the SNP does?

Unlike you I don't blindly follow the 'dear leader' and think everything he and his party does is sparkled with gold dust.
36

brownlie,

31/10/2008 15:11:20
45 yeah

To follow your example. Celtic win the league 10 years running - I really don't know how long its been a labour seat - and then they have a league match against East Stirling who have just come into the SPL. Who would you expect to win?
37

Yeah1,

31/10/2008 15:19:04
#47

"To follow your example. Celtic win the league 10 years running - I really don't know how long its been a labour seat - and then they have a league match against East Stirling who have just come into the SPL. Who would you expect to win?"

Thats not really a relevant example. You are equating winning the seat with winning the league, but then you are also equating winning the seat (in this by-election) with winning just one league match. It doesn't make sense.
38

brownlie,

31/10/2008 15:20:42
43 Rufus

It's actually "superseded" and you're right for once.
39

brownlie,

31/10/2008 15:23:13
48 yeah1

It makes sense in that it's a "one-off" - it is not a general election. Some-one with such a massive lead should always beat some-one who was not even second the last time round.
40

Yeah1,

31/10/2008 15:27:45
#51

"It makes sense in that it's a "one-off" - it is not a general election. Some-one with such a massive lead should always beat some-one who was not even second the last time round."

Actually the SNP were second in the seat last time.

Your example would be better if you said: Celtic win 10 matches in a row, then are playing a team who finished quite a few points below them in the league - they would be expected to win. However Celtic then go 2-0 down with not long left, but come back to scrape a win 3-2. Is that a disaster, or a good comeback?
41

brownlie,

31/10/2008 15:35:24
50 daniel

I knew a lot of active servicemen/women in Iraq and would always want them to have the best of equipment.

If you mean would I ask them if they are happy with the equipment they have I know what their reply would be.

Do you know why the UK government wants inquests on military personnel to be held in secret?

Do you know why they want to hold military inquest in an area where the coroner is less likely to be critical of the Government?

Personally, I believe that the actions in Iraq and Afghanistan are breeding more terrorists and that one day we will reap the whirlwind.
42

brownlie,

31/10/2008 15:44:57
54 yeah1

It would be a disaster for their supporters if a team that they had dominated for years went 2 up irrespective of the final result and the crowd would be critical of the manager.

Anyway, catch you later!
43

Yeah1,

31/10/2008 15:52:15
#56

"It would be a disaster for their supporters if a team that they had dominated for years went 2 up irrespective of the final result and the crowd would be critical of the manager."

They may well be critical of the manager for going 2 down, but I can assure you as a football fan that the supporters would be delighted with coming back from 2-0 to win 3-2, regardless of who they were playing.
44

John S,

31/10/2008 15:57:40
#5:GM,You are correct when you said:-Lets get one thing straight....The Labour Party are EXPECTED to win.
Gordon Brown is the PM and is the MP for Glenrothes until a new one is elected, he is also the MP for the neighbouring constituency of Kirkcaldy & Cowdenbeath.
Gordon has visited Glenrothes personally two times and the result is expected to be narrow from a 10,664 Labour majority ?
We can only judge results by comparing this by-election with the GE in 2005.
If the SNP reduce that 10,664 majority or increase there percentage of the total votes cast it will show progress by the SNP.
45

Yeah1,

31/10/2008 16:03:27
#59

"We can only judge results by comparing this by-election with the GE in 2005.
If the SNP reduce that 10,664 majority or increase there percentage of the total votes cast it will show progress by the SNP."

Well no, you can also judge the result by looking at the polls for Scotland, which currently show the SNP in the lead, and by looking at the 2007 Scottish Parliament election for virtually the same seat, which the SNP won.

If labour's majority is cut then it will definitely show the SNP have made progress since 2005, but it will nonetheless be a disappointment for them if they fail to win the seat - considering their Glasgow East victory, the current polls and the fact that they won virtually the same seat in the Scottish election in 2007.

Its interesting that SNP supporters seem to be playing down their chances of winning, and saying labour are expected to win - it looks like they are running scared.
46

John S,

31/10/2008 16:14:14
Labour was expected the win the Glasgow East by-election, the bookies had them 1/3 on election day with the SNP at 2/1.
Now at Glenrothes, Labour have "The Gordon Brown Factor" Gordon didn't visit Glasgow East and Labour lost narrowly, mark my words "The Gordon Brown Factor" will make the difference.
Gordon hasn't been called "the raised magician" or "the saviour of the world economy" for nothing.
47

brownlie,

31/10/2008 19:37:37
61 daniel

So you think the government wants inquests in secret to protect the interests of the dead person?

It would, therefore, not have anything to do with the Oxford coroner, in particular, being scathing about the inadequate way soldiers/airmen are being armed and protected by the Government.

I was told in Iraq that some soldiers had to borrow their comrades' boots because their supplied footware was inadequate. Is that not a disgrace which reflects badly on all of us?
48

livilion,

livingston 01/11/2008 15:36:54
When the polls are looking poor for the PM get him involved in a war, preferably one we can't lose.

Oh what's that the DR Congo is having some bother with local militias?
No problem, send in the British army! Surely plenty of opportunities for cabinet ministers to look statesmanlike?

Just so long as you keep the squaddies too busy to complain about poor equipment and re-supply issues.

 

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