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Published Date: 21 October 2008
THE vast majority of parents – four out of five – think smacking their children is neither useful nor effective, according to research from a university.
The parenting report, published by the Centre for Research on Families and Relationships (CRFR) at the University of Edinburgh, found that

68 per cent of mothers and 59 per cent of their partners said they dealt with naughtiness among their nurse
ry-age children by ignoring bad behaviour.

According to the study, only 16 per cent of mothers smacked their toddlers, although 63 per cent admitted to raising their voice or shouting to tackle childcare problems.

Sue Palmer, an expert in child development and author of Toxic Childhood, said that similar studies backed up the finding that people with no qualifications were more likely to shout and smack, because that was the parenting they received.

Many parents were found to use techniques popularised by programmes such as Supernanny, with one device being the "naughty step", where children are sent to calm down when they are being disruptive.

Professor Lynn Jamieson, from the CRFR, said: "This report highlights interesting trends, but it is also important to remember that how parenting impacts on children is a complex matter and we need to look carefully at claims that there is a 'one size fits all' style of parenting."

The report is an analysis of data from the Growing Up in Scotland (GUS) study and comes only weeks after MPs voted against enforcing a UK-wide smacking ban.

The GUS study, commissioned by the Scottish Government, surveyed parents of 8,000 children about a range of issues affecting their parenting style.

REMOVE TREATS
REPORT SAYS:


Those who use reward systems are more likely to use this, with 51 per cent of mothers and 63 per cent of partners who mention having used a reward system having withdrawn privileges from their toddler. Withdrawing treats remains more popular.

EXPERT SAYS:

"You have to be consistent," says Margaret McAllister. "It's important not to set up a challenge. If you say, 'Don't do that again, or you can't go to the park', you have to stick to it. You cannot make idle threats. Parents have to be sure they will follow through every time."

TIME OUT OR 'NAUGHTY STEP'
So how should parents react when their children are badly behaved? We run the rule over five possible responses

REPORT SAYS:


Television programmes such as Supernanny have popularised certain techniques for addressing bad behaviour, particularly the concept of time out. This technique removes the child from conflict or disruption to allow them to calm down.

EXPERT SAYS:

"You have to keep repeating it until the child fits in with what you are asking," according to Margaret McAllister, a child psychologist and associate fellow of the British Psychological Society. "It can be quite effective, but you need to be careful to use it sparingly, otherwise it loses its value. It's only appropriate if the behaviour is really bad, like a tantrum or biting."

SMACKING
REPORT SAYS:


The majority of parents raise their voice or shout at some point, and a minority of parents thought smacking was useful. For both mothers and partners, there was an association between smacking and raising your voice. Those with no qualifications are more likely to see smacking or shouting as useful.

EXPERT SAYS:

Margaret McAllister says: "Smacking loses its effect by the time a child is about six or seven. Parents who get into the habit of smacking do it all the time. The child does not differentiate then between what is really naughty and what's not too serious. I think everyone should strive not to smack."

IGNORE IT
REPORT SAYS:


Parents were asked whether they used a range of techniques when children's behaviour was difficult. With young children, the most commonly used was to ignore the bad behaviour.

EXPERT SAYS:

Margaret McAllister says: "You just try the least invasive thing first. If it's something that is not serious, then ignoring the bad behaviour is fine. But gradually you can move to stronger tactics, such as removing the child from the scene for a short length of time. If the behaviour is repetitive you could deny the child a favourite activity."

REWARD SYSTEM OR STICKER CHART
REPORT SAYS:


Only a minority of parents of younger children remove treats and use a reward system such as stickers as a disciplining technique. Those who use reward systems are more likely also to use "time out".

EXPERT SAYS:

Margaret McAllister says: "Using a reward system or sticker chart is good. When a child builds up ten stickers, for example, they can get a treat. You can discuss with the child what they would like to do, so they're engaged. The aim is to help the longer-term behaviour. If you do this for three days then they get a treat, and you can extend the interval to a week with bigger treats at the end.





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  • Last Updated: 20 October 2008 10:13 PM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Smacking ban
 
1

Scullion,

Canada 21/10/2008 01:47:50
When my mother was just about to clip my brother and I on a Toronto street just after emigrating from Scotland, my aunt stopped her with the odd reproach, "Ye cannae dae that oot in the street; they love their weans ower here." We still laugh at that 40 years on.
Although I have never struck my own kids, I'm not panic stricken when I see a brat get a quick tan on the backside for his/her insolence.
2

Helter Skelter,

21/10/2008 02:40:26
Attitudes have changed a lot...in the tudor period royal children , including henry viii , were regularly beaten severely on the most frivolous of pretext...what harm did it ever do them ...henry lived a fairly quiet life, not a disruptive peronality or anything like that.Ahem.

A gentle tap on the back of the hand for very naughty defiant behaviour is acceptable for me. After about the age of 6 one has to be more tactful and skilled in negotiation.
3

james 1st,

hamilton NZ 21/10/2008 04:46:25
I THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE LIED TO YOUR SURVEY
AND I THINK MOST CHILDCARE EXPERTS NO LESS THAN FAIRLY AVERAGE PARENTS, BUT PROBABLY A LOT MORE THAN POLITICIANS
4

Royster,

21/10/2008 05:01:56
#3. Henry VIII got some very good results at school though. He argued his divorce case in Latin and was an accomplished musician. Yes, he had to dish it out from time to time but what's an English monarch to do with the Scots and the French out to shaft him as soon as his back is turned, the church damaging his cash flow and the lack of a male heir turning him into a lame duck. Of course he had a few incentives to help him such as hanging, drawing and quartering.
5

Royster,

21/10/2008 06:50:41
Sounds like a crime of passion to me. There's more to it than meets the eye... mark my words. You wouldn't believe what goes on at those Saga Holidays.
6

Royster,

21/10/2008 06:52:04
Oops. Wrong article. Thought it was the granny who smashed the old geezer.
7

nabodican,

Rural Scotland 21/10/2008 07:12:16
And just who is going to openly admit to breaking the law ?
Personally I see nothing wrong with smacking a child who does wrong.
8

SouthernSkye,

21/10/2008 07:17:45
...."68 per cent of mothers and 59 per cent of their partners said they dealt with naughtiness among their children by ignoring bad behaviour....."

Aye, I've seen it being ignored on the streets, in shops, in restaurants, at airports, on trains......Just how does ignoring it teach them that the behaviour is NOT acceptable?!
9

eric,

21/10/2008 07:32:10
One will find that most of the pc brigade are very bored houswives that dont have children.
10

Douglas,

Bathgate 21/10/2008 07:36:14
Partners then.
11

LAM,

Edinburgh 21/10/2008 07:52:38
Ignoring a screaming child in public is so wrong... So you think putting up with the whaling and kicking etc should be tolerated by all of us poor people that happen to be in the same place. This attitude amazes me. Remove the child from the public domain, back into your home and then ignore them all you want. I would prefer seeing that though then the low lifes that use verbal abuse and swearing towards their child along with the beating...and this in a loud voice so we can all hear what "Those with no qualifications" AKA uneducated morons ...are swearing at their child. Have to admit that's when I feel real sorry for the little dears.. generally their bad behaviour only a result of the wholesome home life they are having. My boys definitely had the odd paddle on their rump not a beating nor verbal abuse... they new I was really annoyed with them. But beyond 6-7 when apparently you are able to reson with a child you have to devise some other dastardly way of making them tow the line..like NO POCKET MONEY.
12

Angoos,

21/10/2008 08:15:42
"THE vast majority of parents – four out of five – think smacking their children is neither useful nor effective, according to research from a university."

They're obviously not doing it correctly then !!!!
13

Boy Wonder,

21/10/2008 08:31:08
My late mother always maintained that the buttocks are particularly fleshy for the sole purpose of being smacked when you have unruly kids! And sometimes it IS necessary to smack.

I have no truck with idiots who beat children however. They have no boundaries either!

It appears the Hootsmon believes that "s p a n k" is a potentially unsuitable word. Geezabreak, eh?
14

MikeT,

21/10/2008 09:02:22
Even Estha Ranson, founder of 'Childline', now admits that PC has gone too far.
15

Boy Wonder,

21/10/2008 09:19:46
#19. Who's Estha Ranson?
16

MikeT,

21/10/2008 09:33:09
#19 and #20 Sorry, should read Esther Rantzen, who encouraged children to report parents for smacking them.
17

Voldemort,

Edinburgh 21/10/2008 10:01:39
Firstly kids have got to be in no doubt who the pack leader is. Secondly they need this leadership in order to develop into fully rounded and secure individuals.

Giving that leadership involves giving praise and the occasional 'cuff round the lug' or smack on the hands it's natural and expected.

The PC brigade are the biggest abusers of children because they would have effective discipline removed. When discipline is ineffective or nonexistent it really stifles the poor kids development. Namby pampy parenting leads to insecure and belligerent kids who have no self respect.

Spare the rod and spoil the child - was a victorian saying and though I wouldn't go to the extremes of 'the rod' the principal is sound - if you kids formative years are without good but strict discipline they will turn out to be dysfunctional and soft parenting may seem like a great idea but it is just plain lazy and your kids will end up despising you for being so weak.

They need strong characters and good examples to follow ...
18

james 1st,

hamilton NZ 21/10/2008 10:05:56
22 TOMMY TOMMY
i think that you must be a right t it im sure i would have got a smack as a small child although i dont remember it, it certainly didnt do me any harm and i know full well that both my parents loved me.
to many of the pc brigage confuse a smack with someone who beats the living christ out of their kid, which of course should not be tolerated
19

james 1st,

hamilton 21/10/2008 10:06:34
beats
20

james 1st,

hamilton 21/10/2008 10:07:18
twit
21

Ewan Oosami,

21/10/2008 10:08:30
Spot on #23.
These so called experts probably never had any kids, they are pure theorists anyway comfortably placed in non-jobs. They've tried it their way and it has failed .
Dr Spock book was great for disciplining children - if you hit them over the head with it.
22

james 1st,

hamilton 21/10/2008 10:11:52
sorry folks just expirementing with posts 25 & 26
apparently you cannot post the word t i t even though it is a common expression in the context that i was using it for a person who is a fool as tommy tommy appears to be
pc brigage gone mad or perhaps some woman somewhere in the world may object,although i must admit that i have heard some women use the word, even some quite mature women
23

james 1st,

hamilton nz 21/10/2008 10:15:31
funnily enough we had a couple at thelocal university that were childhood experts and made all sorts of pc announcements about how to raise children, turned out that they had none
24

Clive Hamblin,

21/10/2008 10:19:53
I am to propose the Motion, 'We should smack our children,' at Brighton & Hove Debating Society's october meeting this evening (21.10.08)

tommytommy 22 above.

Either you have led a very sheltered life or you're being 'economical with the truth, if you don't know the difference between smacking and hitting. On the basis of your piece, when two boxers climb into the ring, they smack each other!

Doubtless you are one of those who wish to criminalise honest and decent parents who are trying to bring thier kids.

Even the last occupant of No 10 went on record as saying that neither he, nor his government intendd to do tha.

Shame upon you!






25

Clive Hamblin,

21/10/2008 10:22:45
Sorry - should read, 'bring up thier kids,' and 'nor his Government intended to do that.

0/10 for spelling!



26

MikeT,

21/10/2008 10:23:25
A few days ago, there was a report of an unruly boy, at school, being put in a 'detention room', similar to the 'naughty step'.
The mother is now suing the school.
27

Corrennie,

21/10/2008 10:31:42
As a child, I was rarely smacked but my father used his voice and then the silent treatment if I disobeyed, which was far worse ( and more damaging) than a smack. As a result, I feared my father.

The only time I had a hiding when at the age of 8, and fully aware of right and wrong, I vandalised a neighbour's flowers because I didn't like her. She complained, I got a smacked bare bottom, and then had to go round to the neighbour and explain why I had destroyed her flowers.

I certainly didn't do such a thing again.

Nowadays, the parents don't care/ can't believe their brats would do such a thing/ say that the kids 'are misunderstood' or some psychobabel/ blame the victim.
28

Alternative (High-Octane) Fuel Head,

Edinburgh 21/10/2008 11:05:10
Once kids are old enough to be able to properly understand what you are saying to them, smacking probably is unneccessary and possibly even counter-productive.

Far better to explain the reasons WHY a kid has done something wrong and also the consequences of their actions. That is the only way they will learn.

I don't agree with "naughty steps" or any other dumbing-down measure described here. At the end of the day, treat people like kids and they will behave like kids. Far better to encourage kids to start thinking like adults instead.
29

CS,

Edinburgh 21/10/2008 12:00:28
Real parent with real children. Real children can be real bad; do not suitably chastise them when they are real bad, they continue to think that real bad behaviour is ok. Result, real bad adults and over full jails, ring a bell somewhere oh politically correct ones? Solution, fairly disciplined children equals disciplined adults and emptier jails
30

MikeT,

21/10/2008 12:23:42
Children should be rewarded when they behave. The Daily Mail today tells the story of a thirteen year old girl who is involved in sex, drugs and alcohol. When the girl 'behaves', the mother rewards her by giving her a cigarette. Sex, drugs and alcohol OK, but not cigarettes?
31

Bongo35,

Livingston 21/10/2008 13:22:40
I disagree with Parents giving their children smack.
32

Ghost Of Scotland Past,

21/10/2008 13:42:24
Look up the thread on man fined £1250 for beating dog.
Why is that there is general acceptance that this lunatic
got what he deserved, because it is deemed quite rightly
wrong, to use violence against animals, but there is still much debate about using violence against our own children. It makes no sense to me
33

TimW1234,

Ottawa, Canada 21/10/2008 13:47:46
# 21 Mike T

Esther Rantzen sounds like some kind of lunatic do-gooder and troublesome meddler in other people's parenting skills. She also sounds very dangerous.

This is because she gives the power to out-of-control children to report their parents and have said parents fined, jailed, or have their children taken away from them.

A good and very brief sp*nking will work wonders to control some of these out-of-control brats that terrorise their parents, care-givers, school teachers, wait staff, store clerks, ad infinitum.

Where is this woman now and what are - or were - her qualifications for issuing such a pronouncement?

By sp*nking I DO NOT mean beating and causing physical injury but just a short but firm tap on the posterior will get the attention of the child and impress on them that their behaviour is unreasonable and unacceptable.

What IDIOT at the Scotsman declared that sp*nking is an unsuitable word? Boy, are some of those in charge of this newspaper overly politically-correct.

Perhaps they thought a deluge of stories about S*&M sp*nking sex-tales would overwhelm these threads.

Get over it and grow-up you "processors" at the Scotsman.

Ridiculous because what is the difference between the act of smacking (acceptable to the Scotsman) and sp*nking (beyond the pale for the nervous nellies there).

34

Mcsnagpile,

21/10/2008 15:13:04
I found an addiction to a 6Gb MP3 player and the WiFi internet, solved the problems with the wife and the kids.
35

Ghost Of Scotland Past,

21/10/2008 16:30:18
42) I doubt you will get much response from the abused turned abusers, they are in denial that they were abused or that they abuse now. A tap on the knuckles, a slap on the face, or a smack across the buttock is a question of degree to them, and wholly justifiable as it never did them any harm, and aren't they all good upright pillars of society today, so of course it must be right.
You and I however recognise violence for what it is, there is no question of degree.
Those who use violence upon their children would probably agree with the sentence meted out to the animal abuser in that other thread, in this they obviously hold their pets in a higher regard than they
do their children.
The Abusers cannot accept that violence breeds violence
and resentment, and they closest example I have of this
is the difference between my Mother and late Father.
My Father never raised a hand to myself or my brothers
whilst my Mother was always shouting and lashing out at us. The result in my case was that there wasn't anything I wouldn't do for my father, whom I adored and respected, and even in adulthood is still the exemplar
for my life. Sadly I spent most of my early life resenting my mother for her controlling nature, her ignorance, and unfairness. This was also true of other
adult authority figures who wouldn't even attempt to understand. Resultant adult tries his best to treat
children fairly, to listen, try to understand and advise and guide, without violence.
36

MikeT,

21/10/2008 16:39:52
I suppose the reason that kids are going about killing others is because their parents killed them?
Years ago when children had real discipline, they never went around killing others like they do today.
37

Alternative (High-Octane) Fuel Head,

Edinburgh 21/10/2008 16:41:15
Tim:

"Esther Rantzen sounds like some kind of lunatic do-gooder and troublesome meddler in other people's parenting skills. She also sounds very dangerous."

That's quite an accurate description considering that you probably wouldn't have ever seen her during her TV heyday! She presented a "consumer affairs" program during the late 70s/early 80s called "That's Life".

Some of the causes she championed were fair enough---things like cowboy builders etc---but she often moved on to personal vendettas if things didn't go her way. As a viewer, one got fed up with hearing her pontificate on one thing or another and thinking she was always right.
38

Ghost Of Scotland Past,

21/10/2008 17:04:25
45) You are probably right in that children didn't kill
other kids when you were that age, they were taught right from wrong, they were taught that violence was wrong and that is done by good example not by beating it into them violently. Then when that was done they were drafted into the forces to go and fight the adults wars for them to kill and be killed and exhaust any violent tendencies which may still be left over from their indoctrination by the self same adults who sought to control them in the first place.
39

Benjamin,

Dresden 21/10/2008 17:10:04
From personal experience, having been a child myself at one point, I know for a fact that a surprising little smack to the bum can knock a bit of sense into a waywardly thinking child. It never hurt me. I used the same practices on my own children and they are very well adjusted indeed.
40

MikeT,

21/10/2008 17:41:12
Kids today learn the violence from their peers.
41

Voldemort,

Edinburgh 21/10/2008 17:48:56
42 & 43 - What utter tripe ....

Nobody is talking about child abuse here except YOU. Like all PC cotton wool buds you'd have everyone pussyfooting about scared to say boo to a kid in case they were reported.

The escalating violence amongst youths in our society today is a DIRECT result of lack of discipline and lack of corporal punishment. The two are unquestionably linked and only a fool would disagree.

The fact that you were of such fragile character that you couldn't deal with a wee smack should never be used as precedent for anything other than the downside of not allowing natural selection to take it's course !

The really sad and dangerous thing is that you are so completely convinced that you are doing good when you whinge about their being no difference between punching a kid in the face as hard as you can and giving them a little smack on the hands.

Your inability to act and your rabid intolerance for other people to act has helped create one of the most violent and disrespectful generations that has ever stalked the planet.

As for violence breeding violence - that is entirely unfounded ... 'violence' is intrinsically within kids (it is in all of us, rightfully, as a protective instinct though that needs to be nurtured) and they need to be taught when it is appropriate and when it is not ... by ignoring that everyone has violence within them to one degree or the other is like ignoring Hitler's build of forces in circa 1937 - snip it at the bud - short sharp shock - then you don't have to fight a world war later !!

In short it is the PC brigade that have blood on their hands through developing a generation of parents, teachers and even law makers who are too scared to discipline kids .... every stabbing, every time some granny is beaten up by the undisciplined youth - you have a little more blood on your hands ....

I don't mind that you have your arty, impracticable and rose tinted opinions just don't tell us with common sense we are
42

Voldemort,

Edinburgh 21/10/2008 17:52:32
cont ... we are 'abusing' when we are in fact better and more loving parents by miles than you will ever be ...



43

MikeT,

21/10/2008 18:25:47
#48.
Why do children smoke? Because their friends do.
Why do children drink alcohol? Because their friends do.
Why do children take drugs? Because their friends do.
Why do children carry knives and use them? Because their friends do.
Why do children carry gums and use them? Because their friends do.
Don't blame the parents for their children copying their friewnds. Parents cannot keep an eye on them all the time. Would I be wrong to punish my children if I knew they were carrying a knife or gun?
44

MikeT,

21/10/2008 19:08:10
Sorry about the gums and friewds. Should read guns and friends.
45

Ghost Of Scotland Past,

21/10/2008 21:51:29
I did start to write a lengthier response to 51) but apparently I was timed out while I broke off to have dinner with my disrespectful, dysfunctional, criminal family.
Be that as it may, I cannot be bothered reconstructing it and quite possibly it is serendipity telling me that he is just not worth it, for this poor deluded emotional pygmy, moral cripple and psychological inadequate cannot possibly appreciate the harm which has befallen him, nor the harm he perpetrates on others.
His manner of communication, displays the traits of the supremely arrogant bully, who attempts to bully and browbeat other into submission using insult based on wrong assumptions, where he cannot offer physical violence. He cannot accept that all physical contact
with another who does not want it, and cannot defend against it is abuse of that other, degree has nothing to do with it.
He is in denial of that which is obvious from all that is happening in the world around him which cleary displays that violence breeds violence.
He is clearly in denial of all that he is and does not wish to even consider another way, for he is right and cannot be reasoned with.
I cannot even bring myself to pity him, but I do pity his family, and others like them who are destined to
perpetuate the cycle of violence, believing as he does
so vehemently that there is no other way.
46

Voldemort,

Edinburgh 21/10/2008 23:25:08
55 - You sound like a beaten man - pardon the pun !

If I am in denial then I'd rather that than be a clueless fantasist! To say nothing of your brand of communication which is smug, vain, egotistical and self righteous ...

'The Cycle of Violence' ! - where did you get that from ? - 'Neil' from the young ones, your guru or was it your local militant 'PC' cell ?! Still it gave me lots of laughs ...

It is refreshing to know that the vast majority of posters here today beleive in proper discipline for their kids rather than your brand of substanceless crud ...

PC twirps like yourself should be consigned to history as engineers of one of the most violent youth era's in history. Whilst meaning good - as I am sure you do - you fertilise and allow to flourish the very thing you hope to destroy.

You think that people like me who love our kids enough to tell them right from wrong and will back that up with the occasional smack on the backside to reinforce our words are 'perpetuating the cycle of violence' .... ?

I do smile with great pity my friend when you call me a 'moral cripple' when it is you that cannot see, nor move, nor understand, nor have any sense that it is your kind that has created this monster and us 'neantratals' who will have to put it back in its box firmly !

You live in your world for as long as you like ... but give me a shout when it goes breasts up and I'll still come and help you like the bully I am !
47

james 1st,

hamilton nz 22/10/2008 05:34:02
#43 ghost of scotland.
i presume that after you turned 16 that you had nothing more to do with this horribe cruel mother of yours and that you allow such a terrible person no contact with your own children.
if your mother was so bad then your father wasnt up to much as he allowed her treatment of you to go on.
hopefully now you are an adult so its time to grow up and stop whingeing.
the majority of kids will push the boundaries as often as possible, they know when they step over even at a relativly young age,and might even scream i hate you when they get a smack,but normal kids quickly forget such a statement and get on with growing up.
i do agree that over many people get more upset by dogs or cats being seriously injured than appear to when same serious injury happens to a child and whilst i dont condone seriosly injuring animals i bdo think that seriously injuring a child s worse. you will note that i use the word injuring not smacking
48

MikeT,

22/10/2008 08:37:41
Violence leds to violence. Look at princes Williams and Harry. They go over to other countries and kill people. Their parents must have been really violent to them.
49

MikeT,

22/10/2008 13:27:07
'The Childrens Act of 1989' has a lot to answer for. It is now illegal to restrain a child. If a drug dealer or pimp is standing outside the childrens home or nearby and a child want to go out and meet them, the carers cannot prevent those children from going out.
50

Voldemort,

Edinburgh 22/10/2008 14:23:09
59-60-61 -Tommy ....

I love when the PC brigade start producing European claptrap .. it is infact the biggest advert that we have not to join the mother of all Jobsworth organisations. Listen just because you've got somebody with a foreign accent that has the same delusional and pathetic beliefs as you do doesn't mean you are right - it just means some other PC clown agrees with you !

Do you honestly think a crowd of individuals who want straight bananas and jails that are pseudo hotels are in any position to dictate common sense to us ?

What is really interesting is that you haven't even read my post ... so for your benefit ... I said (this time highlighted in KAPITALS so you understand better )
---
"As for violence breeding violence - that is entirely unfounded ... 'violence' is intrinsically within kids (it is in all of us, rightfully, as a protective instinct though THAT NEEDS TO BE NURTURED) and they need to be taught WHEN IT IS APPROPRIATE AND WHEN IT IS NOT... by ignoring that everyone has violence within them (THAT IS WHAT YOU ARE DOING) to one degree or the other is like ignoring Hitler's build of forces in circa 1937 - snip it at the bud - short sharp shock - then you don't have to fight a world war later !!"
---

You have an incredibly warped perception of abuse - you put a child who has been punched in the same category as a child who has received a corrective smack ... that is just plane insane - not just a little insane but certifiable! The fact that you can't get over that little but obvious hurdle says alot about your malfunction ...

Britain has been without Corporal Punishment in Schools for approx 20 years - since then we have seen a steady increase in teacher assaults, and a steady decline in literacy and numeracy reaching epidemic proportions today. The cherry on the cake is that we officially have the most violent generations of youths and children in the last 20 years ... the latest batch being completely out of control.

Tel
51

Ileach,

22/10/2008 20:13:06
I'm a confirmed non-smacker, and have only once in my life strayed from that path when my only son, then 7 years old, tortured a substitute teacher who had me coming to the school every day for negative reports. She was a reasonable person, so after all attempts at "negotiation+rewards+withholding treats" came to naught, I promised my son a lick with the belt upon another negative report. Sure enough, he did bring the negative report, and I had to stand firm and give him the belt on his naked bum. I was shaking for hours after. The wee darling then arrived home with yet another negative report (2 licks), and another (3 licks), and another - you can imagine. When I got to 5 licks on Friday, I was so unnerved with my own actions that I promised to start afresh on the Monday. Monday, thank the gods, brought a positive report, and the poor substitute was never abused by my bratty son again. It's still the worst time during all of my child-rearing years. My son, now 33, claims he remembers none of it. So - was it effective, or not?
52

MikeT,

23/10/2008 14:19:14
REWARD YOU CHILD.
The story of a thirteen year old girl. Often had sex, drugs and alcohol and her mother rewards her with cigarettes.
53

Dragonhead,

Dalian,China 26/10/2008 01:21:10
#27 Ewan Oosami. You mentioned a clout with the venerated, almost Messianic figure of Dr Spock's book.The very same man who is still followed slavishly by many. He,after 40 years of advocating,'Reason with the child',admitted HE WAS WRONG!Yet the stupidity persists in today's society.Spock and those PhD theorists are responsible in no small way for the crime and violence on our streets.They should be crucified upside down on a Saltire Cross for their crimes against society. Spare the Rod, spoil the child was never more needed than it is now. Not savage beatings, but a sore backside has pointed many an errant child in the right direction. To the namby,pamby,hanky wringers, your way DOESN'T WORK ours did and will again,guaranteed.

 

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