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Prince Harry at war: An interview with the Prince as he carries out his day to day duties in Helmand province, Afghanistan
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Published Date: 29 February 2008
Read a full interview with Harry here

THE Ministry of Defence was considering last night whether to pull Prince Harry out of Afghanistan after news that he has been fighting the Taleban for the past ten weeks appeared on a website.
The revelation immediately sparked fears that Harry, nicknamed "the bullet magnet" by fellow soldiers, would be targeted by Taleban forces in the war-ravaged Helmand province, where he has been based.

The deployment had been cloaked in secrecy under a news black-out deal agreed across UK and selected international media to prevent details reaching enemy troops and endangering the prince – third in line to the throne – and his comrades.

But news of the deployment appeared yesterday on a well-known US website, the Drudge Report. Bizarrely, however, it has emerged that the Australian women's magazine New Idea actually broke the story on 15 January. It was subsequently reported in a German women's magazine, Frau im Spiegel, and picked up by the Germany daily newspaper Bild before it appeared on Drudge.

As part of the secrecy deal, a group of journalists visited the prince in Helmand on condition details would be published only once he was safely back in the UK. The deal was arranged after Harry's planned tour of duty to Iraq last year had to be cancelled after publicity created a security risk.

Sir Richard Dannatt, Chief of the General Staff and head of the army, said: "I am very disappointed that foreign websites have decided to run this story without consulting us.

"This is in stark contrast to the highly responsible attitude of the whole of the UK print and broadcast media, along with a small number overseas, who entered into an understanding with us over the coverage of Prince Harry on operations.

"After a lengthy period of discussion between the MoD and the editors of regional, national and international media, the editors took the commendable attitude to restrain their coverage. I would like to thank them for that, and I do appreciate that once the story was in the public domain they had no choice but to follow suit."

Defending the decision to send the prince to Afghanistan in the first place, Gen Dannatt said the past two months had shown it was "perfectly possible" for Harry to be employed just the same as other army officers of his rank and experience.

"His conduct on operations in Afghanistan has been exemplary. He has been fully involved in operations and has run the same risks as everyone else in his battlegroup," the general said.

"In common with all of his generation in the army today, he is a credit to the nation.

"In deciding to deploy him to Afghanistan, it was my judgment that, with an understanding with the media not to broadcast his whereabouts, the risk in doing so was manageable. Now the story is in the public domain, the Chief of Defence Staff and I will take advice from operational commanders about whether his deployment can continue."

He also appealed to the media not to report Prince Harry's "every move".

Speaking before his deployment was revealed, Harry said he could be a "top target" for terrorists in the UK after fighting the Taleban in Afghanistan. "Once this… comes out, every single person that supports them will be trying to slot me," he said. "Now that you come to think about it, it's quite worrying."

After the disappointment over Iraq, when Harry was prevented from serving as a Scimitar light tank troop leader, he retrained as a battlefield air con-troller, known as a joint terminal attack controller (JTAC), with a view to going to Afghanistan. He flew out on 14 December, two months into 52 Brigade's current winter tour.

He spent several weeks in Garmsir, in the far south of Helmand, only 500 metres from front-line Taleban positions.

Harry was part of a two-man tactical air control party, working with Corporal of Horse David Baxter, from Coleraine, Northern Ireland. The pair's role was to liaise with artillery and mortar teams to co-ordinate fire on the Taleban under the command of battery commander Major Andrew Dimmock.

Before any air strike on the Taleban, targets had to be positively identified – meaning the prince and senior officers above him had to be satisfied not only that they were enemy fighters being targeted, but that they presented a clear threat.

The process involved carrying out regular "pattern of life" studies of areas under enemy control – both to ensure there was no risk to civilians and to build up a picture of Taleban movements.

He has since left Garmsir to work in another part of Helmand, details of which cannot be reported for security reasons.

The prince had been due to complete a four-month tour without the standard two-week R&R break other soldiers enjoy.

There was no steer last night from the MoD on the future of his deployment. A spokesman said: "The operational chain of command is now looking at a variety of options."

The prince admitted just last week, in a media interview due to be reported on his safe return, that he could be a target for Taleban-supporting extremists in the UK on his return.

"Once this film comes out, there'll probably be every single person, every single person that supports them, will be trying to slot me," he said.

"Now that you come to think about it, it's quite worrying."

He added: "I think there's a lot of guys here who hopefully won't be targeted, but, as I say, now that this film has been made and now… people will know I'm out here, no doubt I'll be a top target."

Gordon Brown, the Prime Minister, said Prince Harry has been an "exemplary" soldier, adding: "The whole of Britain will be proud of the outstanding service he is giving."

There were also tributes to Harry from the other political parties. David Cameron, the Conservative leader, said: "Like all the troops currently fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan, Harry has been incredibly brave. He has pursued his desire to get on the front line and serve his country with huge determination and courage."

He added: "I applaud the British press for not breaking the story and risking his life and others around him."

FEAR DIVIDES THE COUNTRY

WHILE Prince Harry has been in action in the front line against the Taleban, it's been claimed military action has failed to unite the region.

On Wednesday, the US Director of National Intelligence, Michael McConnell, informed the Senate Armed Services Committee that the government of Afghan President Hamid Karzai controls just under one-third of the country.

He said that most of Afghanistan is under local tribal control, the rest under Taleban rule.


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1

AJ fae Fife,

29/02/2008 00:29:20
After being fed the latest contrived p*sh from the BBC, I have my doubts on the authenticity of the story. Harry might believe he's been doing a job of work, but it all looks suspiciously orchestrated for the media by the government. Using the Royal Family in this way is no new tactic, but the general public are a bit more sophisticated than Westminster give them credit for. The blue rinsed, shortbread eating Royal fanclub are either senile or deid and the rest of us, won't swallow this latest sugary sweet hero b*llocks!

Such is my scepticism, it wouldn't surprise me if the whole thing was filmed in Morocco!

Some time in the future, Harry will wake up and realise how he's been used by an evil and morally corrupt government! He may, however, already realise it!
2

J J MAROONER,

Ex WO1 29/02/2008 00:29:59
Was bored to death listening to Sky slavering over this earlier this evening, fair play to him though.

Sky made much of the fact that his Uncle Andrew and his Grandfather both saw active service, they forgot to mention Captain Mark Philips who was excused going to Northern Ireland, rumour in the Army was it was done saw he could compete in some posh horsey event, they then wanted us all to contribute toward a wedding present for them. Any oldish Soldiers remember that?
3

J J MAROONER,

29/02/2008 00:31:38
1#

Good morning AJ.
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Jock MacSprog,

29/02/2008 00:35:06
your a bunch of bitter little lefties arent you ? Obviously none of those above ever risked their skin for anything.
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J J MAROONER,

KIRKCALDY 29/02/2008 00:38:00
5#

I did.
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AJ fae Fife,

29/02/2008 00:49:21
Morning Warrant Office JJ,

It's actually jist aboot beddybys time, but I thought it important to make the cyber public aware, and get a post in early!
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J J MAROONER,

Ex WO1 29/02/2008 00:57:25
#9

No he is not - he is just a f***** idiot.
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J J MAROONER,

Ex WO1 29/02/2008 01:13:23
Harry is what we use to call an FAC - hope he is using the coloured side of the map - always worth checking with junior Subalterns.
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J J MAROONER,

29/02/2008 01:30:22
#12

Priceless!
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subrosa,

29/02/2008 02:00:24
Now this is in the media, bring this young man back here to his true lifestyle. The BBC have been with him out there I understand making a documentary. He has also had bodyguards 24 hours a day.

Bring him back right now. His presence there is a complete and utter liability to the life of my son and his men along with the rest of the military in operations there.
13

indune1,

Canada 29/02/2008 02:14:19
4 - Once again you demonstrate your gutless, myopic idiocy.

To wish the death of a person who has not caused nor called for the death of another, clearly demonstrates how shallow a human being you are.

Whether you are a traitor is debatable to some. But you sir, do your cause no honour or service. You are a petty, myopic waste of rations.

In my day, you wouldn't qualify as a barrack-room lawyer - the type we always ran into. No, you are the type when challenged would try to talk himself out of the situation or deny the views expressed.

You are a disgusting coward. A 40-mile sniper. Stay downwind from the human race for you are not part of it.
14

Neil Waugh,

Old Strathcona 29/02/2008 02:35:19
Behold the future King of Scotland. When he was out in Alberta training at Suffield his raid on Cowboys did us proud.
The lad's got an eye for the pneumatic breast. Those rapacious Calgary shooter girls were clearly good training for the Taliban.
Up the Stewarts. He is a Stewart, isn't he?
15

indune1,

Canada 29/02/2008 02:49:45

So, black-hatter (aka zipper-head): did any of his shenanigans betray the everyday desires of the average soldier?

So often we hear the Royals are divorced from "normal" society - whatever that is - and the first sign that that the Princes are are full-blooded and normal - then we get your perverse doggerel.

Good thing you are a former Strath and probably not a former "Royal Canadian".
16

Neil Waugh,

Old Strathcona 29/02/2008 03:00:45
I meant all this to be a complement. I think Harry is doing a great job. Just for the record, I'm not a Strath. I live there. Whyte Avenue, the Strathcona Hotel, the Black Dog, Go Oilers Go. The Lord Strathcona Horse is the finest horse regiment in the world. Although I have a buddy who is a major in the South Alberta Light Horse. Who might disagree.
17

Dboy,

Japan 29/02/2008 03:13:14
#15 'To wish the death of a person who has not caused nor called for the death of another, clearly demonstrates how shallow a human being you are.'

So he won't be shooting at anyone while on the front line then? While I don't wish the lad any harm while he is out there, the irony of such a high profile figure being injured or killed would go a long way to making the public realise that the 'war on terror' is a huge sham.
The Afghanis do not want foreign soldiers in their country and have been trying to kick them out for around two hundred years. What makes you think that we will have any more success than the last lot?
This recent excursion into the region is another folly and the sooner we all realise this the better for everyone involved.
18

williamx,

Canada 29/02/2008 03:33:50
Who gives a damn. At any rate, if he is out there and stops one at least it is not a Scot who has departed early. Other than that, who other than the Monarchist League and the BBC gives a damn.
19

W Smith,

Middle East 29/02/2008 05:11:14
Only three nations 'recognised' the Taleban:

1) Pakistan

2) United Arab Emirates (which includes Dubai)

3) Saudi Arabia

The view held by these nations is that the Taleban government was 'legal'.

It also meant that drug money could be laundered in banks of those nations that 'recognised' the Taleban government.

It also meant weapons could be legally shipped throught these countries to Afghanistan.

That kind of puts the SNP's Osama Saeeds view into perspective when he says the war in Afghanistan is 'illegal'.

Now we know what this little numpty calls 'legal' and 'illegal' he should consider himself fortunate not to be booted out of the UK.

Bottom line is Prince Harry isnn't upsetting Scots like myself and for those of you who think that the invasion of Afhganistan is 'illegal' kindly stop expressing your views as if you're speaking on behalf of all Scots - because you'r not!

The British Army did a good job in the Malayan Emergency and the Korean War and now they're doing a great job fighting the so-called 'legal' Taleban.

Get right in a about them Harry!

BTW
So Moira Salmond would have a better lifestyle in Afghanistan living under the Taleban than if she stays in Scotland under Westminster rule then, eh Alex?

Absolute bull****!
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Black & White Triumph,

Greenhill Road.....soon 29/02/2008 05:21:18
He's a serving soldier, but he is high profile, on balnce if he is endangering those around more than they normally would be in the circumstances then he should be brought out.
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dave A,

nz 29/02/2008 05:44:05
A taliban slotter' I love it.In an earlier life I had to do the same job.
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MR.CYNICAL,

a happy place 29/02/2008 06:06:50
harry should get an oscar for pretending to be in the army
23

Cappo Del Monte,

29/02/2008 06:18:16
I dont know whats worse, the inane comment like #4
Or people biting to the clowns comments.
As for the article, well done Harry
And its good to see you can trust the yanks to put peoples lives at risk by breaking stories like this.
Its little wonder with blue on blue and killing innocents and putting other peoples lives at risk, the world luves u ( NOT )
24

NemarketNDPer,

Taipei, Taiwan 29/02/2008 06:49:52
Had Diana lived she would never have allowed Harry-the-Brat to become such a baby killer. I was never anti-Royal until they began supporting this evil bloody crusade.

Meanwhile, shame on you Harry. Think what your mom would have wanted.
25

paul o,

Wodonga 29/02/2008 06:55:21
I'm not suprised that the story originally appeared in an Australian publication. Ever since the Indonesians shot five Australian journalists in Timor during the 70's all Aust media sources have been virilantly anti-military (any nation) and seem to take perverse joy in undermining the Defence Forces at every opportunity.
If the five unfortunates killed in Timor in the 70's were a couple of plumbers and three carpenters on humantaniarian service they would have been forgotten about in less than a week. Being 'journalists', the news "media" have never forgotten and take every opportunity to deride the Defence Forces (any nation) that help ensure they can 'file a story'.
26

cleaning the bathroom,

in bed with cold 29/02/2008 07:12:38
A royal member of the family actually doing his duty and protecting his mates? - good on him!! we watch them all the time in the media ( reluctantly) so hats off to Harry for looking after him - Get behind the lad - well done.
27

TREV,

Poland 29/02/2008 07:33:04
Typical, some hack with a desire to break the story does so without considering the lives of the ordinary soldiers who'll now be targetted. I wonder if they'd have behaved differently if it was US soldiers in the firing line.
28

DGR,

Coolangatta 29/02/2008 07:42:28
Bin Ladin's chief information provider, Richard Murdoch, certainly let him down
29

Gordon A.,

Vancouver, BC 29/02/2008 07:43:47
Time to bring the young Prince Home and
for #4 I guess Edinburgh has some form of parasite with the likes of you.
You probably are the most pathetic breath of foul hot air in all of Scotland. Do us all a favor and don't ever travel out of your ghetto.
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steve 1511,

aberdeen 29/02/2008 07:51:01
harry gets more coverage playing at soldiers by the bbc sky etc in one day,than the thousands of brave men who fight on a daily basis get in a month,good job the there was a gurkha present to advice him on how to aim a heavy machine gun
31

Trade-wind,

USA 29/02/2008 07:59:09
Sound as if some have it right, while others are more romantic about the lad. All the military has to do is not advertise him. Put him in a uniform and ship him out to hinterland. Don't take pictures, don't make a fuss, just go about business as you would if it were anybody else. How is it that anybody would know where one lone soldier was. Hell you could lose anybody in the military, but no it seem to many besides his mate's and his commander knows his whereabouts. Easy to get him out when it gets to hot.
32

Silence of the Yams,

29/02/2008 08:07:10
Get right into those terrorist ragheads my son!
33

Gusto,

29/02/2008 08:12:26
No matter how you twist this, or slaver over it, or whatever you do with it, he is a prince, and always will be - he will never be an enlisted soldier - he will always be protected. No harm will come to this "soldier", except perhaps by accident.
He got what he wanted - he's living his dream - let him sleep.
34

voltaire's janny,

29/02/2008 08:28:17
Not only a Stewart but the great, great, great....x27 grandson of Robert the Bruce. Ginger will out.

But seriously. You either want monarchy or not. If you want it then all the sycophancy and toadying go hand in hand. If you want it abolished then campaign & vote. Either camp should allow Harry to soldier as appears to be his calling. He didn't choose to be conceived in the most famous womb in history, whether by Chazz or not. Good luck son, but you'd better get a cyanide pill in case of capture, otherwise you'll be getting your head hewn off on t'internet.

Despite the fair play argument and 10 weeks of deployment, I am a bit dubious that the Government and the fourh estate can collude so successfully for so long. Even breaking the news yesterday prompts one to wonder what is being hidden behind the hotspur story.
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Geoff,

sa 29/02/2008 08:30:56
26 and 38-both fair comment. No matter whether one is a monarchist or not, he is a British soldier worthy of our support. As to his special protection, well the son of a President would probably get the same-covert or overt. Whether these wars are justified-that is for another forum.
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somerferg,

oz 29/02/2008 08:33:28

Oh goodness it would bring a tear to a glass eye thinking about that poor wee lad all alone fighting (and no doubt) beating the Taliban single handedly. All said to the strains of "Rule Brittania" no doubt
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Kate,

Zurich 29/02/2008 08:38:43
Brilliant and brave of Prince Harry to follow his duty and take a posting to Afghanistan. It was super that the British and "selected" foreign press kept quiet about it.

Did the Australian, German and American tabloids stop to consider the consequences of their actions when they broke the very honourable and praiseworthy silence? No, they most certainly did not and now, not only is Prince Harry in more danger but also all the soldiers and civilians in Afghanistan, with whom he comes into contac.

SHAME ON THE STUPID ATTENTION SEEKING FOREIGN PRESS FOR BREAKING THIS STORY!
38

jdships,

29/02/2008 08:38:58
4 Ard Righ,The Rock Of Edinburgh
"Lets hope the usurping german nazi gets shot dead."

What a sad person you must be I genuinly feel sorry for you !
The "Rock of Edinburgh " I take it is your brain ?
I have no great love for the "Royal " set up but the lad is of Royal blood by accident of birth : he is his mother's son and entitled to the good wishes as are given to all young men and women who are serving abroad.

You talk of Nazi's - have you researched your family and know who you are related to ? - Atilla the Hun , possibly
Remember there is no such thing as a "pure bred Scot "
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J J MAROONER,

ex WO1 29/02/2008 08:45:31
41#

The media no doubt have hyped this, as what used to be known as an FAC Harry will possibly never have to "fix bayonets", however he is at the sharp end, and credit to him for standing his ground - he did not have to go, and I suspect General Dannatt would rather he stayed at home.
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Helmut Smegma,

Edinburgh. 29/02/2008 08:47:37
Don`t be fooled by Harry`s war "heroics".He`ll be guarded round the clock by the SAS,disguised as fellow soldiers.
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Evan Owen,

Snowdonia 29/02/2008 08:55:01
I wouldn't want to be within 300 miles of that idiot, he threatens the lives of decent squaddies paid less in a year than he spends on wild nights out in a week.

I could swear but it wouldn't solve anything.

Get our boys out of that lousy country ASAP.
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Amani_Bunduki,

Canberra 29/02/2008 08:58:51
#45 Helmut -a MoD leak has revealed that several SAS close-protection specialists were in careful training around the Hereford area disguised as small copses of Opium poppies which were later to be liberally dispersed around Harry's F.O.B., a further team will be disguised as innocuous bright red telephone booths to themselves also be liberally scattered around the desert F.O.B.

lighten up folks... this bird has flown the coop... everyone knows... he had his 'fun' and now out of regard for the safety of the rest of the troops he should get his ass back home again... he's proved his manhood...

http://emeraldsandash.blogspot.com
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Jock ex 45Cdo RM,

THORNHILL 29/02/2008 08:59:52
Arry, come back to the UK soonest before we have a 'Saving Private Ryan' type of scene where other lives could be endangered.
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K McDonald,

Paranoid Glasgoid 29/02/2008 09:08:01
>>>Despite the fair play argument and 10 weeks of deployment, I am a bit dubious that the Government and the fourh estate can collude so successfully for so long. Even breaking the news yesterday prompts one to wonder what is being hidden.....<<<


The meeja blackout is all a big conspiracy, they are also hiding the fact that the moon landings were faked, Harry's mother was murdered by MI6, 9/11 was an inside job aided by the Jews, 7/7 was an inside job, MMR jab causes autism, there was another shooter on the grassy knoll....


Thanks to our agenda driven journalists, who would just love our mi8litary to be defeated by the Taliban, lots of young men will today face even greater danger than they did yesterday. I wish we could send them to live in the kind of society Harry and his comrades are trying to ensure never returns to Afghanistan.

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Gothic Rose,

29/02/2008 09:11:36
37# Gusto, says it as it is.
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Gothic Rose,

29/02/2008 09:13:26
Indune 1 canada.
Any relation to TimW1234?
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Rob7,

England 29/02/2008 09:16:26
I am very Proud of the Princes commitment to the Army etc. The negative point I have is the fact that the Americans broardcast this story. I thought the Americans were on our side. Maybe we should change sides and fight with the Teliban to oust the American
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Watson,

Irvine 29/02/2008 09:18:00
So we are all to believe that The Chocolate Box Soldier is doing a soldier's job in a war zone? Don't make me laugh. He wont be suffering from any equipment shortage, he will have his bodyguard which will be real soldiers, he won't see and angry bullet and he'll never get to within sight of a Taliban cave.
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Amani_Bunduki,

Canberra 29/02/2008 09:18:48
Hey - apparently it was the fault of a magazine here in Australia "New Idea" - which is a piece of crap rag... we should send the entire editorial staff to negotiate peace with the taliban wearing nothing but some solar-powered electric nipple clamps...

*lol*

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Helmut Smegma,

Edinburgh. 29/02/2008 09:24:37
#47 - LOL.
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commonsense,

Fife 29/02/2008 09:28:11


And to think,like Germany and Yugoslavia, we will all be going there for our holidays soon.
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Morgan-LynnGriggs Lamberth[skeptic griggsy],

Blythe,Ga. 29/02/2008 09:36:11
Would he become a general! He is doing as he wants: all the power to him and the other fine lads and lassies!
The House of Windsor isn't all ceremony!
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Clive Hamblin,

Sussex 29/02/2008 09:37:52
Why are republicans so rude? Has no one explaind that civilised arguments are won by reason and debate?

Perhaps the suggestion could be made that they're not civilised-or don't they like payment in their own coin?

As far as the Prince is concerned, as one of his ancestors said, 'let the lad win his spurs.'




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Linda,

Edinburgh 29/02/2008 09:47:28
Did Des Browne leak this story yesterday to bury the good news that the SNP Scottish Government has abolished student tuition fees.
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Richard Lionheart,

29/02/2008 09:59:28
The question is, if we had our current media and current politicians in Westminster during the Second World War, would our main language be German?
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K McDonald,

29/02/2008 10:05:42
#62 Linda,Edinburgh
>>>Did Des Browne leak this story yesterday to bury the good news that the SNP Scottish Government has abolished student tuition fees.<<<<

Of coarse he did. In fact the SNP and their humanity-saving brand of nationalist socialism are so well known worldwide that the only way to truly bury the news was to farm out the scoop to Drudge.
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29/02/2008 10:10:33
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29/02/2008 10:12:21
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McMillar,

Fife 29/02/2008 10:23:42
ZZZzzz. As if there were not enough distractions in Afghanistan without dealing with the bureaucracy that goes with this nonsense.
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Joe M.,

Edinburgh 29/02/2008 10:24:36
So Harry's a great British hero for Ten Weeks on the frontline, yet people are coming back from this conflict in body bags every day.

This is the job he signed up for when he joined the Army. Unlike most soldiers though he is no danger of ever being killed.

Harry is already a multi-millionaire, maybe he could just play cowboys and indians at home in his big house rather than pretending to be a soldier in insulting propaganda efforts like this.
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Jock ex 45Cdo RM,

THORNHILL 29/02/2008 10:26:27
#s 65 & 66
Peace be with you.
Get to the nub. UK sevicemen should not be there, and the 3rd in line should ge at home.
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Yane,

29/02/2008 10:34:08
#28 Undermine the military? Only by accident I reckon. New Idea is a silly, trivial magazine they would have had that story because Harry is a Prince & Now he's Even Hotter cos he's in a Uniform.
It was six weeks ago they had that story. I guess in future the Defence Ministry will have tae trawl through all the celebrity pages & ads for diets & makeup to get to the bits about where their troops are - quicker.
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an interested party,

29/02/2008 10:50:41
good to see our media being fair and reporting the news impartially, i wonder what else they have agreed behind close door to keep out of the public domain.

on the main thread of the story

'soldier sent to war shocker'
so f***en what
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Red Tower,

Dunoon 29/02/2008 10:52:08
Now that the Queen has shown the way by supporting Harry's visit to Afghanistan perhaps Tony Blair will follow suit and have a son don khaki and do a stint in Basra. After all since he was the who invented the crusade in Iraq it seems that he would be jumping at the opportunity.
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Deeno,

Edinburgh 29/02/2008 11:05:57
I am not an anti-Royal but why was Prince Harry, or Prince William for that matter, allowed to join any of the Forces when the Government/MOD knew they would be kept away from "danger zones" in case they were injured/killed. In some respects I feel very sorry for the way thier lives are led for them by simpering, lettuce-handed, desk Johnnies.
Prince Harry put his foot down and got what he wanted. Lets hope he manages to bag a few skins before he is flown home to Blighty before the lives of his colleagues are put in any more danger than they already are.
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Boab,

Glasgow 29/02/2008 11:12:08
These are essentially media wars that we're fighting in the middle east. They're supposed to be for freedom and democracy, but are actually to do with the control of oil supplies, in Afghanistan as much as Iraq.

If HRH gets captured it will be a PR disaster; at the end of the day, one white western casualty (especially a Royal) carries way more weight than the millions of dead Muslims in both these countries.
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Ayegudyin,

29/02/2008 11:21:40
wow, so harry is out defending our country? wait... no... thats not right, he's out fighting for peace! ...no... no... he's killing terrorists! hmmm...I dont think thats really true either, is it?

so how is this potential king doing a service for Great Britain? in fact, how are any of the army doing a service for Great Britain? they are stuck in a country where they should never have been, exchanging bullets with an unidentifiable enemy (its not a country, or a state, but a group of civilians enraged by our presence in their land... I would be if a bunch of oil hungry megalomaniacs came and started killing my friends and family in the name of peace and freedom for a country 10,000 miles away).

the only service harry is doing is draining billions from our pockets and presenting himself as another statistic. well... we dont really need a Royal family anyway, one less doesnt really matter, does it?
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kimba,

29/02/2008 11:24:51
AJ. You really are a synical son of a bi-ch, dont be so stupid, the government don`t want him there, the royal's have said they don't want him there in case any harm comes to him or people around him. He has fought every inch of the way to be treated like all the other soldier, and now finally he is. don't take away his accomplishments because of your anti english crap!
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Joanna,

Cambs, England 29/02/2008 11:27:42
Red Tower @ 73

If we had conscription in this country you can guarantee that Tony Blair and the rest of his ilk would find a way to get their kids excused. Failing that, they'd find them some nice, safe job in the MOD, the chances of any of them seeing active service are zero.

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Ayegudyin,

29/02/2008 11:29:57
oh, and I agree with AJ fae fife, he's probably done f-all in terms of contribution to the 'war', but we want our Royal to be a hero so the media feeds us this garbage, so eat up my little royalist right wing fools, there is plenty more where that came from...
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AS Well,

Oxford 29/02/2008 11:36:26
#56 "The negative point I have is the fact that the Americans broardcast this story. I thought the Americans were on our side. Maybe we should change sides and fight with the Teliban to oust the America".

The Drudge is not American broadcast news. It is a right wing opinion weblog.
The first in-print publication of Harry's whereabouts came from the Royal Commonwealth nation, Australia. And then again from Germany. The Brits exposed it first, if Australia is still British?
Any reason you are not swatting them down as well?

Wonder how a limited circulation women's magazine in Australia first got the story? There's some investigative reporting going on...

I agree with Harry's view that the military life may have saved his own life by giving him a sense of purpose and normalcy. For even a brief time it has gotten him out of that artificial world that was doing more to destroy him... more than any war zone could.
I hope he can continue to pursue a military career and stop being the nation's Bad Boy for their own entertainment.


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AJ Fife,

29/02/2008 11:44:44
Kimba#78,

My "anti-English cr*p"???? Where have you read any attacks on English people as race?

I do however, like to attack the following -

British Govt
Scottish Unionists
AM2
Royal Family (mainly Charlie Big Lugs)
Labour Party (mainly wee wendy and foulkes)
Tory Party
Ranger FC
Celtic FC
Westminster/Whitehouse Foreign Policy

and so on!

But I must emphasise, I never attack the English public. There are some individuals who deserve a caning, but it's nothing to do with their nationality!


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Joanna,

Cambs, England 29/02/2008 11:53:37
Kimba

AJ... is not anti-English at all, I think you misunderstand him sometimes.

He has a wry sense of humour and is a realist. He is correct about the Prince Harry and the media story. It is being over publicised and intelligent people are bound to wonder what they are hiding. Lets face it, this government will not go down in history for being truthful, will it?
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K McDonald,

Glasgow 29/02/2008 11:57:36
82 AJ Fife,

I do however, like to attack the following -
British Govt
Scottish Unionists
AM2
Royal Family (mainly Charlie Big Lugs)
Labour Party (mainly wee wendy and foulkes)
Tory Party
Ranger FC
Celtic FC
Westminster/Whitehouse Foreign Policy<<<<<<

AJ could you please add me to your hate list. I am a republican, Celtic supporting unionist son of a Rangers supporting died in the wool royalist mother who votes tory. I also support the young men and women who volunteer to put their asses on the line for my benefit - i.e. they do the job parliament sends them to do. I do not and will never see the English Welsh and Northern Irish as foreigners. I particularly loathe nationalist socialists who cuddle up to, and sympathise with, Islamists, such as Osama Saeed, and other such "progressives".
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kimba,

29/02/2008 11:57:43
AJ. Must be a coincidence that all your attacks are English based,apart from scottish football;you are one of these scots who when England are playing football would support ANYONE rather than England
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AJ Fife,

29/02/2008 12:02:38
#84,

I'd suggest you get some counselling, you're aw f*cked up! :D

Kimba,

Correct, I forgot about all English international sport teams! Thanks for that!:D
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Allan(handofgod137),

29/02/2008 12:03:13
Well done to the boy, and to all the whining leftist out there with their snide comments, STFU, the country is sick of you cowardly whining parasites. Harry's done more for his country in 10 weeks than you've done collectively in your lifetimes.
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kimba,

29/02/2008 12:03:37
joanna, Excuse me, you may think AJ is gods gift to women,but please, he is so anti english infact anti GB it beggers belief. This guy may be a royal but he just wants to be treated as "one of the lada"
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kimba,

29/02/2008 12:04:36
87. Well said.
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AJ Fife,

29/02/2008 12:04:47
Joanna#83,

Thanks for the support :) Sometimes that Kimba can be a right bully! :DD
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kimba,

29/02/2008 12:06:02
AJ. seems you are in the minority,LOL.
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AJ Fife,

29/02/2008 12:06:56
#88,

What? He wants to be treated like a "lada"???

Does the poor boy breakdown a lot?
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kimba,

29/02/2008 12:08:52
92,Don't start!
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AJ Fife,

29/02/2008 12:09:20
Kimba#91,

Read the rest of the thread and come back with the results of who's in the minority. You might be surprised!
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AJ Fife,

29/02/2008 12:09:50
#93,

Did you mean that? :DDD
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kimba,

29/02/2008 12:12:31
AJ. Read 84&87,that says what people think of your bilious cr-p.
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AJ Fife,

29/02/2008 12:19:47
OK Kimba, that's two objectors and one isn't entirely serious. Add your efforts, and we have a score of 89 -7!

Another victory for true Scots!
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Red Tower,

Dunoon 29/02/2008 12:20:48
#87
The history books don't record many Royals fighting in Spain against Franco. Whereas the "Lefties" were there in their thousands.

Fascism was subsequently to pose a greater threat to the peace of the World than the Taleban does today.

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Ratman,

29/02/2008 12:23:11
Lets place that tallish, ginger haired fellow amongst the Gurkas. No one will notice him.
Who assigned hime, Harrod's Human Resources Dept.?
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kimba,

29/02/2008 12:25:03
AJ. maybe we should let the taliban loose on scotland,you are a disgrace to scotland and the scottish soldiers who protect your liberty.
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kimba,

29/02/2008 12:26:58
98. If you believe that you are a prize numpty!
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Red Tower,

Dunoon 29/02/2008 12:34:12
#101

If you are capable of serious argument please try and come up with it. Calling folk names doesn't really advance any discussion.

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kimba,

29/02/2008 12:41:47
102. ok,if you think the taliban is not putting the free world in the utmost danger you must be in denial!
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John south of Soutra,

29/02/2008 12:44:51
I think that Harry has been used as pawn by this Goverment, if this was so secret was their a BCC reporter and cameras with him in the desert, anyone with half a brain would realise there was something up when a camera crew are following his squad.
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indune1,

29/02/2008 12:48:24
53 - once again you infer incorrectly!!
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kimba,

29/02/2008 12:49:59
104. As he was born in England and supports the English footy team big time,have a guess!
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Joanna,

Cambs, England 29/02/2008 12:50:29
"joanna, Excuse me, you may think AJ is gods gift to women"

Well, honey, I've seen him, you haven't. God was surely thinking of us women when he gave us AJ :))

As for those who say "Harry has done more for his country in 10 weeks, blah, blah". How do they know what anyone of us has done. We're hardly likely to retell our life story on here.

I've nothing against Harry, my complaint is with the overkill by all the media.

Big story, hot press: "Soldier goes to War". He's not the only one out there and the media would do better to castigate and confront this government about why the rest of the armed services have been let down so badly by them.
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Allan(handofgod137),

29/02/2008 12:51:50
#102, I'm waiting for you to put up a serious argument, if you truly believe in socialism, the why not emigrate to cuba or zimbabwe, where the live the leftist dream, starving in their own sh*te, injstead of staying here running down your country and it's insitutions and burdening society. Franco took Spain from a nation of peasants to a modern country in30 years.
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kimba,

29/02/2008 12:54:30
105. For the love of god,has common sense gone out the window,the camera crew were there to film harry,and the film was to be shown when he and his men returned home in april.
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Stirling Sentinel,

Stirling 29/02/2008 12:54:32
Perhaps Drudge will tell us where Prince William is now. I'll give you a clue. Indian Ocean - Navy/Airforce perhaps. You'll have to wait for the next PR structured disclosure to find out !!
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kimba,

29/02/2008 12:58:42
JOANNA,YOU SAID IT HUN,YOU ARE FULL OF BLAH BLAH,AND WOULD SELL YOUR COUNTRYMEN OUT AS SOON AS LOOK AT THEM.
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Joanna,

Cambs, England 29/02/2008 13:02:07
Yeah, whatever, Kimba.

Now, do us a favour and take your braincell for a walk - the grown ups want to talk.
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Hunky Dorey,

Glasgoiw 29/02/2008 13:04:26
#9 The lancer. Gibraltar belongs to Spain. The six north easern counties of Ireland belong to Ireland. The Malvinas islands belong to Argentina. So! why boast about stolen property?
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Hunky Dorey,

Glasgow Phoblacht na Alba go brugh! 29/02/2008 13:08:26
Who amongst the royal scroungers has red hair! Haaaa Haaaaa Haaaa. What a waste of space these royal parasites really are.
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kimba,

29/02/2008 13:09:03
JOANNA. AT LEAST I HAVE A BRAIN CELL,SEEM YOU ARE DEVOID OF BOTH BRAIN CELLS AND COMPASSION!
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Hunky Dorey,

29/02/2008 13:09:50
#114 that should have been "north eastern counties" oops sorry!
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kimba,

29/02/2008 13:11:11
115. Not as much as you, maybe we should put you in the front line,your all gob!
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Joe M.,

Edinburgh 29/02/2008 13:28:19
Is there any other soldier who enters a conflict for twelve weeks and then is sent home hailed as a hero?

This army lark is obviously easier than I thought.

Pity about the other poor sods who are still dying there but they are not as important as the glorious Harry, certainly not for propoganda purposes of HM's British state anyway.
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Joe M.,

Edinburgh 29/02/2008 13:29:09
I think even Harry Flashman did more actual fighting...
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Hunky Dorey,

Glasgow 29/02/2008 13:29:37
118 Kimba....... Oh dear! Its that common little royalist again!
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Hunky Dorey,

Glasgow. 29/02/2008 13:37:23
I wonder will he wear his nazi uniform and give us a few fascist salutes before he comes scurrying home.What a gang of wasters these royals really are.
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Hunky Dorey,

Glasgow 29/02/2008 13:41:02
It is clear to all that you are now running scared,so I am off to my lunch.
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Hunky Dorey,

29/02/2008 13:42:38
# 124 Was for Kimba.......
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Red Tower,

Dunoon 29/02/2008 13:48:39
#109

Unlike you I've been to Cuba and whatever the weaknesses of that system its people are not starving. They are among the healthiest people in the World. This is in spite of that champion of the "Free World" , America, having done its damnedest to wreck this tiny country's economy.

As for Zimbabwe I have yet to meet a "Leftie" who sees that country as a Socialist state. And I would point out that it was Thatcher's government that set in motion Mugabe's takeover of that country. And Thatcher was not known for her leftwing sympathies.

I am not a burden on this country. I am now retired after having spent a lifetime in public service. Public service in the service of this country.

I cannot even guess why you might conclude that I am against the war in Afghanistan. The war in Iraq is a different matter. The Iraq war could not even be justified on the basis that the country was a haven for Al Quaeda. In fact the opposite was true. Sadaam was a monster but he was no friend of Bin Laden or vice versa. Nothing is more abhorrent to Bin Laden than anyone trying to govern a Muslim country as a secular state.

One thing Sadaam and the Taleban have in common though is the fact that neither came/comes close to invading this scountry. The same could not be said of Hitler's Germany in 1939

As for the Royals they like the Left pick their wars.I repeat they were not many Royals in the International Brigade. And similarly it would be wrong of you to conclude that there are no "Lefties" fighting alongside Prince Harry in Afghanistan. Many Royals saw Hitler's Germany as ideal especially prior to WW2. Some even after the war had started.

But I forget. You are an admirer of Fascism. Maybe you are in denial. Maybe you believe that Buchenwald and Belsen did not happen? Should we introduce a similar type of government in Britain today?

Just one final word. Please note that I do not resort to expletives. I don't need them to add weight to my arguments.


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Allan(handofgod137),

29/02/2008 13:49:57
#113 + #125 Still waiting for a response from any of you leftist oxygen thieves to my post at 109, as for 125, why don't you go back to ierland and take your paedo priests with you and starve in the next tattie famine you soap dodging scrounger.
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kimba,

29/02/2008 14:01:16
Joanna, why don't you take your no good attitude and drown it in your toilet, where you have just taken your tongue from, Your location says you are in England, but I find that highly unlikely, infact i think you are the 27th wife of Osama bin laden. How you have the nerve to laugh and scoff at our soldiers fighting for ALL OUR FREEDOMS, the freedom to walk down the street and not get blown up, the right to free speech which you are so fond of exercising. Why don't you ask the families of the people who were killed in London during the terror bombing if they find your attitude so funny, ask the grieving families of troops who have died if they find you so funny, infact, who does find you funny, only the sickest of the sick would find you funny, so that will be hmmmm hunky dorey then.
Our troops deserve our respect and our thanks, not your stupidity. No doubt you are going to come up with some more crap, about "you didn't ask them to go to war" and "theres no need for them to fight the taliban" but thats where you are wrong there is every need for them to fight. The Taliban are the biggest threat to us all since Hitler, no one did anything about him when he first came on the scene and look what happened 6 MILLION JEWS EXECUTED, MILLIONS OF ALLIED TROOPS KILLED, COUNTRIES INVADED, need I say more.
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Allan(handofgod137),

29/02/2008 14:06:32
#126 I seem to remember that the left were the one's who howled for sanctions against rhodesia and indeed started them after smith declared UDI. Mugabe is a moscow educated marxist. If Cuba's so great then why do so many risk their lives to leave the socialist paradise for the USA? Please enlighten me as to what your public service job was. Was it a real and necessary one, or was it a leftist jobs for the boys and girls in some micky mouse arts dept, or social work? Remember the only real public service jobs are the ones that also exist in private industry. I also nhotice that there's no comment on Franco's modernisation of his country. As to admiring Fascism, my belief is that the best form of government is the least government, and the rights of the individual should be paramount in any society. As for Buchenwald and Belsen, I believe a lot of people died there, but the how of how they died is still open to debate. I also do not need to use expletives to get my point across, but when I'm making a point to the ignorant I try and limit my language to that which they understand.
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kimba,

29/02/2008 14:18:09
127. THE ONLY SICKO IS YOU,THE MASTER HAS NOTHJING TO DO WITH ME,AS GOD IS MY WITNESS.
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AJ Fife,

29/02/2008 14:18:30
Kimba#129,

Wow....keep taking the acid....it's groovy when hallucinate and post at the same time!:DDD

Methinks Joanna will now rip you up for *rse wipe paper!
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kimba,

29/02/2008 14:32:19
AJ. JOANNA IS A TROLL, SHE HAS NO RESPECT FOR OUR SOLDIERS, BRING IT ON JOANNA!
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AJ Fife,

29/02/2008 14:38:20
Kimba#133,

With that statement you've just confirmed to me how unaware you actually are!

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kimba,

29/02/2008 14:49:21
aj, oh I'm aware, both you and miss thing seem to think our soldiers fighting for our freedom is some kind of joke,until you have faced the awful cr-p our soldiers face day in day out you should shut your ignorant clap-trap.
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kimba,

29/02/2008 14:49:29
aj, oh I'm aware, both you and miss thing seem to think our soldiers fighting for our freedom is some kind of joke,until you have faced the awful cr-p our soldiers face day in day out you should shut your ignorant clap-trap.
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kimba,

29/02/2008 14:50:33
so good they posted it twice!
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Willie Bruce,

Knoxville USA 29/02/2008 14:51:44
Maybe Prince Harry can swap war stories with Al Gore and John Kerry when he gets back. They all have similar service to their countries.
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AJ Fife,

29/02/2008 14:55:07
Kimba,

Are you ready for this.....what are our troops fighting for in Afghanistan?
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Martha,

29/02/2008 14:56:46
#25-- you anti-American git, Harry's story was broken first by an Australian magazine (or was it Austrian?) and then by a German. The US just found out about it early this morning. Why don't you read the article and check facts before deciding "the yanks" did it? Incidentally, the term "Yank" and "Yankee" is worn with pride by us. I won't print what we call you, but I think a synonym is "nancy-boy."
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kimba,

29/02/2008 15:20:03
139. You ignorant tw-t, they are fighting for the freedom of the afghan people and the freedom of the free world to stay that way,without being threatend or bullied into their evil beliefs.
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kimba,

29/02/2008 15:23:01
140. Print away,how many British soldiers killed by your "friendly fire" with friends like you we don't need enemies!
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John south of Soutra,

29/02/2008 15:26:59
Kimba you ask me if common sense has gone out the window, I would say YES. Why apart from a publicity stunt does a BBC camera crew have to be involved in the operation that Harry was fulfilling. Oh yeah because it's news you will say, yes it's news but that does not mean that they have to make a documenatry about. If the guy had been allowed to go there without any of the circus that followed him, he probably would have been able to finish his tour of duty
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Red Tower,

Dunoon 29/02/2008 15:27:28
You do tend to talk in genaralities.
Many who called for sanctions against Rhodesia were Liberals rather than Lefties.Or do you adopt the American position and see these terms as synonymous?
The fact that Mugabe is a Moscow-trained Marxist does not mean he is a socialist today. In fact he is now as much a socialist as Papa Doc was in his day. I repeat, I know of no Leftie who sees Zimbabwe as a socialist state.The history books are littered with examples of people hopping from Right to Left and vice versa. Take President Mitterand for example.

As for those who want to flee Cuba.I found the greatest fear when I was there was that, with the demise of Castro, an American-backed Batista government might follow.

I notice you despise social workers. I do not agree. Many to my certain knowledge do a first class job. I was not a social worker. I have no intention of telling you anything about my working life but it was in one of the core professions.

As for Franco's modernisation of Spain. This was equalled by Stalin's modernisation of Russia.(The Russians did put people in orbit for example.) Now, now don't jump the gun. I deplored both their systems of government.

I am sorry to see that you question the fact that millions of people died in the gas ovens of concentration camps in Nazi Germany.

Less government is best government? Some argue that it was Thatcher's war on regulation that resulted in the BSE crisis and the mini bedrooms in present day houses. And I can think of no governmant in British history that surpassed hers in centralising power.

I am glad you have abandoned expletives
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Laxdad,

Connecticut 29/02/2008 15:28:34
This story illustrates why so many in the military across the free-press world distrust the media. The vast majority of the press respected this brave young man's desire to serve his country and pursue his chosen profession. Some women's magazines and a sleazy blogger thought it was more important to drive their readership.

Some stories that go outside military press guidelines can serve a purpose if they expose wrongdoing or misinformation, but breaking this story only hurts the young Prince Harry. You can't even claim that it serves an ideological or other anti-war purpose.

Makes me sick to my stomach.
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northeast,

29/02/2008 15:29:44
He's doing what he wants to do, and it is not his fault that he has all this attention. It was not his choice to be born into the royal family, and I bet most of the time he is sorry that he is.
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AJ Fife,

29/02/2008 15:38:21
Kimba#141,

So it's nothing to do with a pipeline running straight through Hellmund Province?

It's nothing to do with the American Oil and Gas industry then?

Do you think it's just goodies vrs baddies, black and white hats etc?

Perhaps you should catch up and read Ahmed Rashid's The Taliban, for some real background. You might even stop making an *rse of yourself with a wee bit of knowledge planted into that heid o' yours!

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Joanna,

Cambs, England 29/02/2008 15:42:44
Come on then Kimba - what have you done for our soldiers?

Try to keep it clean.

AJ

The Kimba troll is just trying to disrupt the comments board, because he/she/it is too thick to have a coherent conversation with anyone.

Pathetic rant at 127 btw, now then, I'll just give Osama a bell and see if he's free for dinner.





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Allan(handofgod137),

29/02/2008 16:11:08
#144 I'm no more talking in generalities than you are. Mugabe is a textbook example of a socialist, preaching for a fairer society when he wasn't in power, and filling his boots now he is, just like blair, prescott and martin. Franco certainly did not kill 40 million spaniards in his modernisation of spain, and socialist russia regularly went cap in hand to the usa for grain to feed the people, not to mention the atrocities thier troops committed in germany. As to despising social workers, well I'll put my hands up to that, given that the rapist who did a runner from castle huntly was only there in the first place because some social worker decided he was sorry he'd been a bad boy and promised not to do it again. your statement regarding working in one of the "core professions" needs clarification, as the leftist definition of "core profession" is certainly different from mine.
I presume by gas ovens, you mean gas chambers, the existance of which is debateable, particularly with regard to the stories of how the zyklon b crystals were dropped in through the hatches in the roof, which would certainly have resulted in the deaths of those dropping the crystals as well. You will of course be aware that the "confessions" obtained for the nuremberg trials were obtained through torture, or are you arguing that the end justifies the means? I have no doubt that a lot of people died in the concentration camps, but given the emaciated state they were in, isn't it likely that this was due to starvation and disease? As to bringing up thatcher, well it's a testament to the way she improved this country that the left still keeps bringing her up.
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Gothic Rose,

29/02/2008 16:26:46
106#.
Liar,Liar,Liar.
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Joanna,

Cambs, England 29/02/2008 16:29:48
Just found this on another news website:

"But Harry, third in line to the British crown, didn't seem overly happy with his homeland's press, who have given generous coverage in recent years to his partying escapades in the nightclubs of London and elsewhere.

"I don't want to sit around in Windsor," he said, referring to his barracks near a royal residence outside London in a pooled interview in Afghanistan last week, released after the blackout on his whereabouts was broken.

"But I generally don't like England that much and, you know, it's nice to be away from all the press and the papers and all the general sh*te that they write." said the Prince."

Can't say I blame him.

Btw: I had to amend the Prince's swear word, because the moderator didn't like it. Quite ironic really.

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kimba,

29/02/2008 16:47:52
aj/joanna. Grow up,you both are a disgrace to our soldiers fighting so that you both can talk a load of p-sh, rememder what goes around comes around, and it could not happen to a better pair.
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okanaganguy,

kelowna b.c. canada 29/02/2008 17:31:36
#149 hand of god. Are you from Fife too.
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kimba,

29/02/2008 17:32:13
joanna. you are the one that's crude, I support them which is more than you do,as for your total lack of support for our troops, you are one of the many arrogent tw-ts that this society has bred!
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Laxdad,

Connecticut, USA 29/02/2008 17:32:15
#126 Red Tower,
I honor your service, even if it didn't include time in the military (perhaps it did). So don't get me wrong on this question: How do you think historians will view the two sides in WW-II another 150 years in the future ... after the history "as written by the victors" begins to be revised more "objectively," as it always is? And how will they view the U.S. choice of which side to support?

On one side, there was the truly odious Nazi regime in Germany (to which you allude), Mussolini's buffoonish Fascist regime in Italy, and the rapacious militarist regime in Japan. Bad actors all, but all relatively small countries ... and at least in Japan's case, with some legitimate complaints about their pre-war treatment by the Western colonial powers.

On the other side, there were the four largest colonial empires on earth (British, French, Dutch, and Belgian) that cumulatively held about a third of the world's population in abject thrall, despite espousing personal liberty and democracy in their tiny home countries. Add to that, Chiang's inept, though successfully kleptocratic, Koumintang regime in China and Stalin's Soviet Union. Truth is, even by the U.S. entry into the war, Stalin was responsible for more Soviet deaths than Hitler. Cumulatively, even before the entry of the U.S., the Allies were suppressing upwards of half the world's population. Often in hideous circumstances. Add to the Allies the United States, reviled on the Left as the worst hypocrites of all. It is objectively difficult to discern a moral superiority for either side. Both could be considered to have been reprehensible.

And what of the U.S. choice between the two sides? It was always in America's economic interest to support the Allies, but aside from FDR's problem of convincing the U.S. population to fight, there are those who suggest that he "managed" WW-II brilliantly in our favor. We waited until both sides were bled white ... providing just enough support to Britain
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Laxdad,

Connecticut, USA 29/02/2008 17:35:47
#126 Red Tower, ... continued ...
And what of the U.S. choice between the two sides? It was always in America's economic interest to support the Allies, but aside from FDR's problem of convincing the U.S. population to fight, there are those who suggest that he "managed" WW-II brilliantly in our favor. We waited until both sides were bled white ... providing just enough support to Britain and later the Soviets to keep them in the war while making sure their resources were drained ... and then entered the war and reaped most of the rewards of victory. Immediately after the war, the U.S. accounted for perhaps 70% of cumulative world GDP (I've even heard 90% thrown around). Even a decade later, that number was at least 50%. Even in its current declining state, the U.S. is still benefiting from that war.

So economically, the American Isolationists were wrong from 1898 through 1941 to oppose American military extension overseas, even if they were right morally. Similarly, even though today's American Neo-Isolationists of Move-On.org, etc., may be right morally to urge that the U.S. military downsizing and disengage from the "world policeman" role (shades of the American Right's objections in the 1990's to involvement in the Balkans, Rwanda, Somalia, etc.), that is not practical until some other less reprehensible regime is ready to take it on. Perhaps the Chinese Communists in your world view?
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kimba,

29/02/2008 18:00:31
158. Don't worry,this so called English woman would sell England out for a night with a scotsman! i.e AJ From Fife.
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kimba,

29/02/2008 18:00:48
158. Don't worry,this so called English woman would sell England out for a night with a scotsman! i.e AJ From Fife.
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kimba,

29/02/2008 18:05:18
So the majority think this was a staged stunt by the westminster government,Mmmm yeah right, and little green men are going to invade the earth tomorrow,morons or what!
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Queen D,

Glasgow 29/02/2008 18:06:59
I really feel sorry for Harry when I read these comments.
He's damned if he does and he's damned if he does'nt.
I would much prefer we had NO soldiers fighting illegal wars anywhere in the globe.
I would like them all back safe and sound , sadly not to be.
We are fighting people who believe that we should NOT be in their country, for the imbecile who thinks we are preserving the homeland.
We are fighting people who have absolutely NO chance of invading this sceptred isle.
So , why are we there?
Because George Bush and Tony Blair said so , notably neither of them have been in the arena of war and neither have their offspring.
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Hardrations,

Canada 29/02/2008 18:54:11
He enlisted to be in the army. The army has spent a small fortune in training him like many other officers. He wants to earn his way. Let him have a go at it. At least now he can look his fellow soldiers who have served in these locations in the eye.
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Lady Golightly,

29/02/2008 19:06:07
"Don't worry,this so called English woman would sell England out for a night with a scotsman! i.e AJ From Fife."


Wouldn't we all Dear! What a pleb you are.
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jdships,

29/02/2008 19:51:49

157 scothighland,
this thread is peppered with even more t*ssers than usual!!!

Agree totally with most of them claiming to be among the intellgencia who criticise this newspaper for poor journalism.
Hands up those who managed to debate without name calling - not many sadly
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WMSART,

MUSSELBURGH 29/02/2008 19:59:06
RWPLY TO THE LANCER

ENGLAND. WHAT HAVE THEY GOT TO DO WITH IT/ SCOTLAND ARE WAITING FOR YOU, AT MURRAYFIELD.

WELL DONE THE FUTURE MONARCH OF THE UNITED KINGDOM OF GREAT BRITAIN AND NORTHERN IRELAND. YOU CAN MOVE OUT ANY TIME YOU LIKE LANCER, OR WAS IT CHANCER.
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Brit-Utopia,

29/02/2008 20:08:09
Remember the rights of the savage, as we call him.

Remember that the happiness of his humble home, remember that the sanctity of life in the hill villages of Afghanistan among the winter snows, are as sacred in the eye of Almighty God as are your own.

Remember that He who has united you together as human beings in the same flesh and blood, has bound you by the law of mutual love, that that mutual love is not limited by the shores of this island, is not limited by the boundaries of Christian civilisation, that it passes over the whole surface of the earth, and embraces the meanest along with the greatest in its wide scope.
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Red Tower,

Dunoon 29/02/2008 20:09:46
The big difference between you and me is that you are a black-and-white man and I am not. I am of the Left but I am also critical of it. There is no way for example that I would be an apologist for Stalin’s Russia. You on the other hand are completely uncritical of the Right. Even to the point of treating the fantasy-writing of the discredited David Irving as Holy Writ. It is nit-picking for example to quibble about whether the majority of the 6 million slaughtered in the concentration camps died as a result of being starved to death or gassed. Incidentally many did die in the ovens. The weak who could not walk and who were too enfeebled to struggle were often bundled, still alive, into the ovens.

As to your criticism of the Social Workers. No one doubts that they occasionally make mistakes with tragic results but a whole profession cannot be damned as a result. Crippen, Mengele and Shipman were all doctors but the medical profession as a whole cannot be written off as a result.

And where do you get the notion that Blair was ever a socialist? He is as much a son of Thatcher as David Cameron will ever be.
And as far as some national leaders salting away money in foreign banks are concerned, this is not just the habit of the corrupt Left. Show me an ousted Right-Wing dictator who has ended up broke in exile.

As to my erstwhile profession. I was in a profession that even Thatcher would have described as a “core” profession.

Your big problem is that you are inclined to jump to conclusions, you think in stereotypes and see odd examples as defining the conduct of the many.
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Red Tower,

Dunoon 29/02/2008 20:10:58
My #170 is an answer to #149
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Sunburned,

Calif. USA 29/02/2008 20:13:05
I think that who ever first revealed the location of Harry, thereby, not only endangering him but all of his mates should be dragged out to the Sahara desert, chained to a rock and left till the next ice age.
Not wishing anyone any harm......Hah
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Red Tower,

Dunoon 29/02/2008 20:32:36
#155

I thank you for your involvement into this discussion. It is thoughtful and balanced and if it serves no other purpose it reminds us Brits that not all Americans are Red Necks.

The judgement of history is too much a crystal ball exercise for me. I am on this earth now and can only judge things as they unfold.

For me the Iraq War was a turning point. After 32 years as a card-carrying member of the Labour Party I cut up my card and sent it to Tony Blair, the then Labour Prime Minister. He had sold out all the principles on which Labour was based. Ours was a party that believed in international law and he had flouted it with murderous consequences. He took us into that war too on the basis of information he knew to be false. He claimed to have gone into that war to establish democracy in Iraq and yet he went into that war when the vast majority of the British people were against his doing so.

And what we found equally deplorable was he took us into Iraq to curry favour with George Bush, the most dangerous man ever to inhabit the White House. A man backed by the oil conglomerates and in whose pocket he most assuredly was. There was nothing selfless in this excursion. Bush went into Iraq with Iraq oil in mind.
If he was truly out to spare human suffering he would have an army in Dafur and countless other areas of human tragedy.

I hate to say it as I have many American friends but I can fully understand why your country is so universally disliked at present.
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Nellie,

Liverpool 29/02/2008 20:50:03
Two points:

1. So, what else have the media hidden from us at the bequest of the Government?

2. It is about time Harry realised he a Royal and not an ordinary Joe. He selfishly CHOSE to go to Afghanistan, putting at risk the lives of other soldiers who CANNOT CHOOSE where they will be sent or who will be their officers! It is time he stopped playing at soldiers and acted more responsibly before some of his colleagues die because he is a target.
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rod8,

Dunoon 29/02/2008 22:32:44
Dear Red,

Sad isn't it.

You have to worry when the academic requirement for admission to HMF are 2`O' levels. If they were any brighter they would not join. About the same as admission to the white house and the BBC's news editors post. Admission to the Royal Family does not require any academic achievement.
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Yane,

29/02/2008 23:45:08
#140 It was Australian Martha. Austria & Australia are very different places even though the words look really similar. But it's quite easy to remember in a bumper sticker way - Austria isnae home to the kangaroo.
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AJ Fife,

29/02/2008 23:52:06
Rod8,

It's worse than that......one of the O levels has to be completed by your art teacher!!! Painting by numbers was a step too far!
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AJ Fife,

29/02/2008 23:56:25
There'll be a lot of relieved troops now Prince Harry has been removed. The brave troops deserve, at the very least, to have Officers of a certain calibre leading them!

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Laxdad,

Connecticut, USA 01/03/2008 01:10:16
AJ Fife #179, what makes you think Prince Harry is not a competent officer?

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AJ Fife,

01/03/2008 01:52:59
#180,

Given his disclosed academic record, it all points to one conclusion - he's thick as mince!
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indune1,

01/03/2008 02:52:51

181 - And you are so clever? Let's see your academic record. Judging by your posts you are thick as an elephant's foreskin.
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indune1,

01/03/2008 02:55:39

176 - rod8 - and what pray tell have you achieved? Admission to any family requires no academic achievement - a fact best displayed by your moronic posting.
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McHoot,

Australia 01/03/2008 03:10:19
I'm sorry that one of our scandal sheets, "New Idea" broke the story about Harry. Our women's magazines are regrettably our version of the Fleet Street scandal sheets and we are not proud of them either. However, one wonders was the Australian media asked not to mention Harry's presence in Afghanistan as was the British?
"New Idea's" editor clearly did not understand or care about any possibly dangerous ramifications of her decision to print. Must have been a quiet week for Britney Spears and the Beckhams?
Apologies to Harry and his mates for our nitwits putting them in harm's way.
By the way, reading some of your more extreme comments, some half-witted, I have to conclude that poor Harry was (is) damned if he did and damned if he didn't. Will he be hounded to an early grave like his mother? Hope not.
Australian media should give the lad a fair go which is what this wonderful country has always been about.
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indune1,

01/03/2008 03:37:17
MCHOOT- where the hell have you been? Chasing down wee moose on our highways?. Dunnie here.
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McHoot,

Australia 01/03/2008 09:25:46
Gooday Dunny, old mate
Well kind of. Have patted tigers and cobras and pythons and ridden elephants in Thailand and crossed US by car. Loved it but found the Freeways of Miami, Dallas and LA scarier than the above. Waved towards Canada and the meece butit was a wee bit chilly even for a Scozzie. But I'm back!
Ooroo the noo
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kimba,

01/03/2008 10:43:44
AJ.RE:179,YOU SHOULD KNOW DONUT BOY!
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kimba,

01/03/2008 10:54:44
AJ. What about the neds that join the army,harry is head and shoulders above them so you see, you don't have to be a memder of mensa to be a good army officer.
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McHoot,

australia 02/03/2008 00:12:32
187
Clearly you do give a 'flyingshite'(whatever that is), you poor sad, bitter, ignorant, envious, xenophobic, foul-peeceed, lemon-livered wee bilious bolshevik festering somewhere in a dark hole hating everybody, mostly yourself. Shall I go on?
Get a life, mate.
Do the Berwick people realise that when they return to Scotland they'll get a 'true friend' like you, sad sack? If they did they'd stay well away. Thank God 99.999% of Scots are good-hearted folk and popular everywhere they go. Do the rest of the world a favour and stay in your parochial wee hole, though. You might give the rest of us a bad name.
By the way is there to be a statue erected to Scotland's great hero, John Smeaton? Hope so. How many free beers did he end up getting?
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Joe M.,

Edinburgh 02/03/2008 03:49:09
12 weeks on, 18 months off. Any soldier would love that billet. This story has shown that the whole basis of the 'Royal family' is a joke. This guy is no better tha any other soldier in fact he's hardly seen any combat at all yet he is hailed by the British establishment and the tabloids as an all conquering hero. This would have worked in the 18th or 19th centuries but it won't wash now.

Let's have a republic. Every man is equal and everyone can stand for election to be head off state. We don't need this family of snobby upper class twits to lead us.
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Joe M.,

Edinburgh 02/03/2008 03:52:28
As to the foreluck tugging Brits (above) who are still cooing 'cor, he's just like us innee, he's a real hero that lad, oh and anyone who says otherwise should be shot' your days are over and you're actively showing us why.
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kimba,

02/03/2008 10:48:10
#187, grow up unlike you harry was not home for xmas he was with his troops, like hundreds of other soliders across the world who could not go home for christmas, he has not once asked for special treatment, can the papers and everyone leave him alone to do the job that he has trained for. Like he has said a thousand times he just wants to be treated the same as the rest of them.

wow you have unlocked the fact he has had sex, what a great job you did,why dont you name me a young lad his age who hasnt had sex...

#188 love your post
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kimba,

02/03/2008 11:21:23
189.YOU ARE THE JOKE,YOUR BILLIOUS BABBLE IS A FCUKING JOKE.
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02/03/2008 14:06:41
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02/03/2008 14:15:38
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kimba,

02/03/2008 16:03:36
192,As opposed to your bilious cr-p,we don't need nerds like you in GB, you son of a scottish bi-ch.
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McHoot,

australia 02/03/2008 23:40:49
193 'Voice from Scotland' When was it that you first noticed these feelings of total inadequacy? Have you sought orifessional help for it? cos, mate, you realy need it.
Aa a matter of fact I was born and bred in Scotland, and have never, to my best recollection, rooted a kangaroo. Their huge tail tends to get in the way and they can kick you from a***hole to breakfast time if they don't fancy you back. But the hairy-nosed wombat, now there's a fetching wee beastie. No wonder it's nearly extinct it's been rooted so much.
Actually my family, like many of those Scots with get-up and go, got up and went, while the wee sleekit timrous beasties like you, who hide their viciousness and pettiness in a cloak of anonymity, stay huddled in their leprous wee holes and fester.
Voice from Scotland? Hah! Venomous bile from Scotland more like.

 

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