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Published Date: 24 June 2008
MORGAN Tsvangirai has taken refuge in the Dutch embassy in Harare as Zimbabwe teeters on the brink.



The leader of the opposition Movement for Democratic Change (MDC) went to the embassy on Sunday night after announcing he was withdrawing from this Friday's run-off election because of escalating violence.

A spokesman for Maxime Verhagen, the Dutch foreign minister, said yesterday: "He is temporarily at the embassy of the Netherlands in Harare. A request was made yesterday by his party, the MDC, and Minister Verhagen decided that, if he sought safety, it would be granted."

He said Mr Tsvangirai had not been granted asylum but had been told he could stay at the embassy for as long as he wished.

Robert Mugabe's government insisted Friday's run-off would go ahead. Patrick Chinamasa, the justice minister, told state radio it was too late for Mr Tsvangirai to change his mind and said the MDC leader was simply scared of losing.

In a bid to cement voters' loyalty, Mr Mugabe has ordered price cuts of up to 90 per cent in some areas. Truckloads of scarce goods are being sent from Harare to so-called People's Shops, which were inaugurated by Mr Mugabe during his campaign. These will be forced to sell bottles of cooking oil at Z$1 billion, or about 6p, according to the official Herald daily. Normally, a bottle costs Z$16 billion (£1).

As tensions rose, riot police swooped on the MDC's Harvest House HQ in Harare at lunchtime yesterday, bundling people, some of them badly injured, into a bus and taking them away. "Over 60 people, mainly women and children, victims of political violence, were rounded up," an MDC spokesman said. He described the raid as "an act of desperation and frustration after we made the decision not to participate in their electoral charade". Police told state radio "unhealthy" conditions at Harvest House prompted the raid.

Mr Tsvangirai announced his decision not to contest the run-off after scores of stick-wielding Zanu-PF supporters surrounded the venue for an MDC rally on Sunday. He said the poll would be a "sham" because voters had been told they would be killed if they voted for his party. More than 70 of his supporters have already been killed.

The MDC said Thamsanqa Mahlangu, a new MP, was battling for his life in intensive care at a Harare hospital after being assaulted by Zanu-PF militias.

Mr Mugabe's militias are now forcing terrified urban dwellers to learn – and chant – a new slogan: "WW, win or war". Some of the militias are as young as 16; a schoolteacher from Mutare told The Scotsman she recognised one of them as a pupil.

Mr Tsvangirai won the first round of voting on 29 March with 47.9 per cent – just short of the 50 per cent plus one vote he needed to avoid a rerun.

Friday's poll will not be the first time Mr Mugabe has stood as the only candidate. In 1996, his two rivals, Abel Muzorewa and Ndabaningi Sithole, both withdrew shortly before the presidential election.

Voting went ahead with all three names on the ballot papers and Mr Mugabe won with more than 90 per cent of the vote.

Brown: World must unite against 'criminal cabal'

GORDON Brown has urged world leaders not to give recognition to Robert Mugabe's "criminal cabal" in Zimbabwe, as he joined international condemnation of the brutal regime.

The Prime Minister and other Cabinet ministers joined calls for harsher sanctions on the Zimbabwean president's inner circle and their immediate family, as the UN Security Council prepared to meet last night.

Mr Brown said: "The international community must send a powerful and united message that we will not recognise the fraudulent election-rigging, violence and intimidation of a criminal cabal. The world is of one view – the status quo cannot continue. The current government, holding power only because of violence and intimidation, should not be recognised by anyone."

David Miliband, the Foreign Secretary, ruled out cutting off electricity supplies to the country, or stopping remittances of foreign currency to Zimbabwe. But he said there was a need to "consider urgently how we can put further pressure" on Mugabe and his allies.

Lord Malloch-Brown, the Foreign Office minister, said Britain may push for sanctions that force domestic firms to cut ties with Zimbabwe.


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  • Last Updated: 24 June 2008 12:06 AM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
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1

indune1,

Canada 24/06/2008 01:09:56

What a tragedy. Would it have been better to negotiste with Ian Smith?
2

Senga Jean,

24/06/2008 01:21:47
Iain Smith was an apartheid supporting small minded bigot. Those of us close to the realities in Rhodesia knew that land reform was essential. Smith preferred to listen to the Brit ex pats who coming mostly from poor areas of Britain did not wish to see the "kaffirs" as they called them get any improvement in education or occupations. The indigenous people were kept in their "place". There were no blacks with a stake in the future of Rhodesia. Smith could not see the obvious. (Just like Bush Brown and Blair)
3

Dekester,

Canada's westcoast 24/06/2008 01:22:52
What a nightmare. Was Rhodesia not known as the garden basket of Africa.

Now it will be the butcher shop. Pitiful, and yet the PC and socialist nutters will utter not a word.


All the best.

4

Dekester,

Canada's westcoast 24/06/2008 01:25:07
#2 maybe, However. He was political, not a cannibal.

Who would you rather deal with ??
5

Scullion,

Canada 24/06/2008 01:37:06
#3 This is simply another manifestation of colonialism. Yes, 30 years afterwards it is still being felt. If you rape a country then run out and leave a mob in charge that has been uneducated through your doing, what can you expect? If you put the blame only at the feet of that mob, that is sheer hypocrisy.
As Chou En Lai said when asked about the effects of the French Revolution 150 years after the fact, he correctly answered, "Too early to tell."
Colonialism has still not finished with Africa.
6

chippie lover,

och aye 24/06/2008 01:47:35
Do you think the place will be better off once the chinese have taken all the resources
7

Edward,

24/06/2008 02:13:28
David Miliband, the Foreign Secretary, ruled out cutting off electricity supplies to the country, or stopping remittances of foreign currency to Zimbabwe. But he said there was a need to "consider urgently how we can put further pressure" on Mugabe and his allies.
Milliband is a useless time serving weasel!
Robert Mugabe should be cut off at the knees for what he is doing to his country and to his people. Its a disgrace. Hard currency is what Mugabe and his henchmen rely on. Its a well known fact that he has been filtching off currency offshore. That tap should be turned off now! His movements should be restricted, if he lands in any country outside Zimbabwe, he shoul be arrested and taken to the Hague for crimes against humanity.
The man is currently blaming Britain and America for stories of brutality and killings, which he states are not happening. So thes pictures we see on TV are just made up? These people with bruises and cuts are all self inflicted. We need to act and we need to act in a firm manner. South Africa needs to get of its collective fat backside and stop giving support to Mugabe,its not smart and its not clever, times have changed Mugabe is no longer the freedom fighter, he is the tyrant and oppressor
8

jamtart,

Beechboro Western Australia 24/06/2008 02:15:24
Bush and Brown why are you not massing your troops for action to put an end to this genocide.
9

indune1,

Canada 24/06/2008 02:17:03

2- Those of us close to the realities in Rhodesia knew that land reform was essential. Thank you. How prescient of you.

"Smith preferred to listen to the Brit ex pats who coming mostly from poor areas of Britain". What utter rubbish!

What f*cking planet are you from?

5 - "If you rape a country then run out and leave a mob in charge that has been uneducated through your doing, what can you expect? If you put the blame only at the feet of that mob, that is sheer hypocrisy."

Rape? You are an idiot. Mugabe is the rapist.

What left-wing, revisionist tripe! It is to weep.
10

Huntly loon,

Aberdeenshire 24/06/2008 02:34:24
The Tory candidate for North Ayrshire and Arran has been suspended because he spoke favourably of Ian Smith. My goodness he might have spoken favourably about Robert Mugabe. The Tories should be thankful for small mercies.

This autumn Scotland and the rest of the world's footballing nations will commence the tournament which hopefully will take us to the final stages of the FIFA World Cup. This is scheduled to take place two years from now in South Africa. The way things are going I really don't think that country is fit to host such a games. Why is it that these prestige competitions fall into the lap of rather unsavoury countries. China, South Africa. I will resist the temptation of mentioning the 2012 Olympic host. This subject is no place for frivolity.

As I have already said Nelson Mandela is coming to Britain this week. It is time he made a comment on what is going on in Zimbabwe, as Desmond Tutu has a done. He needs to condemn the atrocities and the despotic nature of Mugabe's regime. How did Mugabe manage to get to Rome last month to spout his bile?
11

Matt there,

somewhere 24/06/2008 02:40:27
Brown does not care, really. Why? No oil.
12

Dekester,

Canada's westcoast 24/06/2008 03:00:45
Well said #9.

Let the idiots believe. How does the saying go " idealism increases in direct proportion to one's distance from the problem"

They are in Mars.

All the best.
13

indune1,

Canada 24/06/2008 03:30:07

12- Thanks mate. The revisionst tripe that you read on this subject makes my blood boil.

Cheers.
14

KampungHighlander,

Jakarta 24/06/2008 03:51:04
#5 Scullion

Most of the African colonies achieved Independance 40 years ago, the same time that Malaysia and Singapore achieved their independance. To blame colonialism as the cause of poor governance after 40 of managing their own affairs is ridiculous.

Before the European colonizers arrived in Africa life was short, ugly and brutish. Now that after 40 years of independance it has come full circle, should not surprise anyone.
15

Tatties ower the side,

Johannesburg 24/06/2008 06:15:47
#5 Scullion

Up until 2000 Zimbabwe was prosperous, the people were the best educated in Africa (including South Africa) and the black and white populations lived easily together as friends.

What happened? Mugabe's position as an unchallenged leader was threatened and he has wreaked havoc on the country for the past 8 years!!!

To blame the current mess on colonialism is naive in the extreme.
16

Tatties ower the side,

Johannesburg 24/06/2008 06:18:43
By the way, Mr Scullion, Mugabe is not "uneducated". BUT, he was educated in Marxist Russia and had his head filled with "Trotskyite" ideas. And,just like Pol Pot, he thinks that the population should remain as peasants and be ruled over by a small elite!!!!!!
17

ianmcg,

Cullinan 24/06/2008 06:23:39
Mugabe has been a stalinist dictator from the day he was violently elected in 1980. As usual in any "revolution" the party hacks are the new elite and tough luck to the ordinary punter. A curious reverse racism prevents the leader of SADC from doing or saying anything negative against the man who kicked the white mans *rse out of the country,mostly to the detriment of the economy. God had better be quick in removing him!
18

Itchy,

24/06/2008 06:44:57
"In a bid to cement voters' loyalty, Mr Mugabe has ordered price cuts of up to 90 per cent in some areas"

That's a good one. Wonder how many people that will put out of business.

"2 Senga Jean,
Iain Smith was an apartheid supporting small minded bigot. Those of us close to the realities in Rhodesia knew that land reform was essential. Smith preferred to listen to the Brit ex pats who coming mostly from poor areas of Britain did not wish to see the "kaffirs" as they called them get any improvement in education or occupations. The indigenous people were kept in their "place". There were no blacks with a stake in the future of Rhodesia. Smith could not see the obvious. (Just like Bush Brown and Blair)"

Robert Mugabe is a racist bigot whose Marxist 'Land Reform' has starved the country. You are a moron.
19

Itchy,

24/06/2008 06:46:47
#5 wrong. This is nothing to do with colonialism. Zimbabwe was Africa's breadbasket and the fact that is now starving is entirely down to Mugabe's idiocy.

You are a cretin for blaming the British for this tragedy.
20

TimW1234,

Ottawa, Canada 24/06/2008 06:56:22
Are any of us surprised by these latest developments?

A country ruled by a lunatic old man verging on insanity - if he is not there already - will eventually destroy itself until the international community intercedes and rids Zimbabwe of the murderer and rapist Mugabe and his equally sadistic and subhuman troops.

Good riddance to bad rubbish - hopefully by the end of the month if the CIVILISED world combines its efforts and rids that beleaguered country of that verminous piece of smelly, oozing, worm-ridden sh*te.
21

Charles.D,

Johannesburg 24/06/2008 07:53:17
#2 You write the biggest load of rubbish I have ever seen! How close were you to Rhodesia?
#9 100% with you.

Put the screws on Pretoria, take away the 2010 W.Cup unless South Africa stops helping that animal.
22

Paul Spencer,

Glasgow 24/06/2008 07:55:02
But I want to know who Mugabe's tailor is, I suspect he is as florid as Mugabe!!
23

fife runner,

24/06/2008 08:00:49
#5 it is high time like Mugabe people stopped using colonialism as an excuse. Now China, Russia and South Africa have criticised Mugabe in the UN. Mugabe had a country which was so efficient at agriculture that it fed its neighbours. He wanted to keep power so how better to do it than pay off his cohorts with land grab.

There is no excuse for killing his own people.
24

Trade-wind,

USA 24/06/2008 08:10:11
#8 because you and people like #2 would then scream that they were war mongers and only wanted the riches of Zim. You want other to do the dirty work, then you can feel good about yourself, while bad mouthing Bush and Blair for any action. I have read to many American
slash Bush bashing slack jawed jackdaws here to ever want our country or England to ever help another soul outside of our own countries.
25

carrottop,

Dumfries 24/06/2008 08:10:57
Is the world full of cowards now, all shallow talk and even ageing left wingers coming out of the closet to start whining their drivel.
Where are all these people who marched against Rhodesia and picketed the South African embassy in Trafalger square now with their self righteous smarmy faces looking for recognition, answer: they dont take responsibility for their actions only applause.
Rhodesia was a GREAT country with the one mistake of being too slow to let the black people try to fulfill their aspirations. I had a lot of friends from Rhodesia of all races now down to a hand full as none of the people who stayed got past their fifties.
On the day of reckoning in Zimbabwe will all left winger please line up with the traitor Mugabwe and we can be done with them once and for all.
26

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24/06/2008 08:59:17
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27

Banana Heid,

Ayrshire 24/06/2008 09:14:22
Give the MDC Supporters Kalashnikovs and let them turn the tables on Mugabe. Mao Tse Tung said "change may come through the barrell of a gun"...Alabama 3
28

Silence of the Yams,

24/06/2008 09:33:49
Mugabe might think he's won but his rag tag country is just about finished. Even his friends in the ANC can't save him from what's coming!
29

Media 1,

cape town 24/06/2008 09:34:42
Senga #2

Nobody can deny that apartheid was wrong, but it came about because that is how the world works. Man strives to explore, hence our visit to the moon. Had there been a race on the lunar surface we would surely have colonised them such is our need to be in control. At the end of the day the world has different race groups and that is just the way it is. In terms of colonialism it just so happened that one race group was more advanced than the other and they decided rightly or wrongly to colonise. They owned those systems of education they didnt steal them, so whilst they should have shared their knowledge, we all know that they didnt. Again you can argue whether they were obliged to share their knowledge or not.
Ian Smith was merely protecting his people, much the same way that Zanu came along to protect theirs. The difference was that one man offered "his" people a quality of life, systems and competent leadership, whereas the other offers "his" people starvation, chaos and murder.
Ian Smith governed, Mugabe is trying to RULE! There is a difference.
You cannot compare the two races and their approach to workable societies, the two are at different ends of the scale.
30

Wise Man,

glasgow 24/06/2008 09:47:20
If Mugabe was white the whole world would be up in arms and no doubt bob geldof and bono with nelson mandela in toe would have some sort of rally or free zimbabwe concert. He's black so I suppose it's acceptable to rape, murder and destroy his own country. Hypocrisy of the highest order!!
31

Media 1,

cape town 24/06/2008 09:52:31
Wise Man

There is no doubt that what is happening in Zimbabwe is apartheid and discrimination of the highest order. There is no doubt that any white leader behaving in the same manner would be removed from the scene effectively immediately. But then again, we have come to expect higher standards from white leaders. So it is not hypocrasy, it is merely our understanding of white and black leadership, we expect less from Africa because she delivers us the same failure on a regular basis.
32

Rabhairt,

Cannons Creek AUSTRALIA 24/06/2008 09:54:48
I second your comment number 12, WELL SAID NUMBER 9
33

Phil the Flooter,

24/06/2008 10:22:21
#2 What a heap of left wing ,revisionist sh...te.
So WTF is Mugabe, a nice man who doesnt Murder, rape or maim his opponents?

34

Rednose Harry,

Wallasey 24/06/2008 10:56:17
#2 Did colonialism spawn the Taliban in Afghanistan a country which has seen off every attempt at takeover?
Mugabe's regime isn't too far removed in terms of denying large numbers of his people their basic rights to a decent life.
#35 Absolutely correct from someone in a place to judge.
35

MisterN,

Scotland 24/06/2008 11:02:14
34

And rightly so but if he were a Muslim and expressed criticism of Israel then both the US and the UK would have invaded years ago.
Now we have the right wing on here talking up the Smith regime as if it were any better give me a break the only difference between Mugabe and Smith is one of subtlety. Rhodesia may well have been the bread basket of Africa but it only benefitted the White supremists. People were still dying of stavation and malnutrician in Rhodesia and South Africa under aparteid, Black people. There was nothing absolutely nothing beneficial about the aparteid dogma and to suggest otherwise because of Zimbabwe today is to live in the worse kind of denial.
Smith created Mugabe Smith is just as much responsible for the state of Zimbabwe today as Mugabe is.
Being "White" is no guarantee of good government is it?
W*nkers!
36

Media 1,

cape town 24/06/2008 11:13:11
MisterN

You are attempting to compare apples with oranges. I lived through apartheid and I understand the dynamic of this country...During those times I went to work on a daily basis with many black people and all of them earned money. Not much money, but they did earn and they did have homes. Much the same as Scotland except those who earn less and scrounge are supported by tax payers, thus their accomodation is slightly better in Scotland.
Nowadays, the black masses are genuinely struggling because whereas the white man provided jobs and food whils oppressing them, their new black government are stealing money from the fiscal, raping the economy, providing no jobs, little food and little hope whilst oppressing them.

Being white is of course a better guarentee of sustainable governmemt and if you disagree then let us compare the following nations with eachother.

Denmark - Nigeria
Finland - Chad
Germany - Somalia
Austria - SA
Switzerland - Ethiopia
USA - Ghana
Canada - Ivory Coast
Wales - Zambia
Scotland - Zimbabwe
Russia - Burundi
Latvia - Mozambique
Australia - Angola
New Zealand - Uganda

Need I go on?
37

El Sabio,

Sibbertoft 24/06/2008 11:36:48
Can anyone imagine any real steps being taked to oust that criminal - Mugabe - and his thugs? Talk is cheap.

Ask yourselves. I cannot see anything positive being done. The downward spiral will continue unabated. It has done so fro years
38

El Sabio,

Sibbertoft 24/06/2008 11:40:26
Incidentally, Mengistu Haille Mariam is holed up in a suburb of Harare. He, for those who do not know, was the murderous dictator of Eithiopia and was given assylum by his 'brother' dictator and murderer, Mugabe
39

MisterN,

Scotland 24/06/2008 12:00:09
41

Did any earn as much as you?
Talk about comparing apples and oranges right enough.
Better still lets compare individuals

Hitler- Ghandi
Stalin- Mandela
Thatcher- Bhutto
G Brown - Any third world leader.
Chichescu - Sedar
Milosovic - Sirleaf
Sirkoski - Selassie
Tito - Chissano
Nixon - Lumumba
Bush1 - Nkrumah
Bush2 - Obama
Reagan - Nyerere
Foot - Nzingha

Need I go on?




40

MisterN,

Scotland 24/06/2008 12:02:33
42

Start a rumour he is Muslim thats a death sentence for any world leader today.
41

TimW1234,

Ottawa, Canada 24/06/2008 12:04:29
45 MisterN

VERY clever. I could not have done better myself.

My compliments to you, sir.
42

MisterN,

Scotland 24/06/2008 12:07:08
43

I am not trying to support Mugabe the man is a despot but to suggest the people of Zimbabwe would be better off under a White supremist regime instead is quite frankly mind boggling. How would you like to live under Black supremists? or Islamic fundamentalism? even though you can still go to Asda and buy your groceries?
43

Erchie Broon,

24/06/2008 12:11:33
* 2 Senga Jean
You are so wrong.Smith could see the obvious and he told the British so -that Mugabe would destroy Rhodesia. You know nothing about apartheid judging from your comments and it is an undeniable fact that Africans were much better off economically and educationally under the former anti Communist Governments than they are now. You Liberals who know stuff all about Africa get right up my nose. Where is the great hero Mandela amidst all this drama? In London having a birthday party and he hasnt said a peep about his "brudda" in Zimbabwe. They are all of the same hue.Only interested in lining their own pockets and couldnt give a stuff about the man in the street. Colonialism was the best thing that ever happened to Africa and if the US/UK had stood up to the Marxist thugs such as Mandela 20 years ago there might still have been hope for the region.
44

MisterN,

Scotland 24/06/2008 12:16:38
49

Excellent example and an ex ally to the so called West next in line of course is Ahmadinejad. No worse than Mugabe so why target them and leave Mugabe in peace?
45

MisterN,

Scotland 24/06/2008 12:17:51
50

Aye right like to see the result of the poll you conducted in order to post that little opinion or do you think its fact?
46

MisterN,

Scotland 24/06/2008 12:23:18
50

Aye for the colonists not the indiginous populations I bet you say the same think for the indiginous Indian tribes of the US eh? do you think they are better off because of colonisation?
47

MisterN,

Scotland 24/06/2008 12:31:55
41 and 50

Have either of you lived or experianced the wrong side of Apartheid? or is your so called experiance only gained from living on the right side of it?
48

MisterN,

Scotland 24/06/2008 12:42:12
43

I see so the only options available for Black countries is to live under White supremist regimes or Black despots there is no middle ground is that whats being suggested on these blogs?
49

MisterN,

Scotland 24/06/2008 12:44:35
55

I suggest you tell the Israelli government of your discovery.
50

Busymale,

24/06/2008 13:07:36
Time to send the troops in!
51

Media 1,

Cape Town 24/06/2008 13:09:03
MisterN

In answering all your questions I would say that sadly, there is no solution to the crisis. It is either despotic black governments or one party state democracies in which the ruling party run amok. Or they can ask the white man to come back and help them, but that wont happen. So sadly there is no hope!

In terms of the right side of apartheid, I am not sure there was one. I remember those days, SA was a peaceful place and white and black people in general got on just fine, the system was unpallitable but the people were in essence in agreement about the system. We didnt like it, as was proved when over 90% of the white population voted for a change to full democratic change in 1992.
And also remember that in this country white people are made up from what we call English and Afrikaans. I remember during apartheid how the traffic police would give you a much harder time if you were English speaking as opposed to Afrikaans speaking. I remember how I was bundled into the back of a police van by two very Afrikaans army officials because I refused to go to the army and fight the ANC and their Russian counterparts during the cold war times.
I remember being deported by that old government and I remember how they swore at me and pointed fingers at me and called me a traitor Brit. But sadly those days were better in terms of safety and security, they were better in terms of litter, they were better in terms of schooling and pride in communities, they were better in that incompetence was something you only came across now and again whereas now it is a commonality in all areas of SA life. It was better because kids werent exposed to violent rape and murder and it was better because hi-jackings and murder were uncommon.
It was better because aids was nowhere near the pandemic it is now, it was better because motorists were assisted by a proper traffic department as opposed to some sub standard excuse for a police department. It was better then because when I
52

Media 1,

24/06/2008 13:09:55
It was better then because when I went to a police station to report something I was met with a friendly smile and a willingness to assist me, whereas now I am met with an angry black man who cannot write and is adamant that he is not doing all the paper work because he is tired today.
I cant expect you to understand this continent, it is impossible for you to even imagine the levels of incompetence we must endure here.
It is impossible for you to understand our pshyche. We live in a world that is beautiful and our lifestyles the best in the world. But we also live in constant fear and hear horror stories everyday about gruesome murders and rape. We hear our politicians speaking about taking up amrs and killing for Zuma and we must endure our alcoholoc minister of health telling the masses that garlic and beetroot will cure aids.
In the end I am convinced that black societies fail because as a community and as leaders they are incapable. I DONT simply make such statements based on some juvenille dislike of other races, I base it on my daily frustrations at the hands of African systems that just never seem to work.
53

heidbanger,

Edinburgh 24/06/2008 13:38:17
As there is no oil in Zimbabwe, no one in the UN will do anything about this nutter.
54

MisterN,

Scotland 24/06/2008 13:46:37
60 61

How about mixed governments with white black asian oriental Christian Muslim Jewish Hindu etc is that impossible in Africa?
Your simplistic view of our way or no way is simply idiotic in the extreme.
And dont generalise situations by giving single examples

"I went to a police station to report something I was met with a friendly smile and a willingness to assist me, whereas now I am met with an angry black man who cannot write and is adamant that he is not doing all the paper work because he is tired today."

WTF has that got to do with the price of cheese?

I can go into any shop in Princes street and see either miserable looking assistants or cheerful ones on any given day and all white.
You dont have to be white to smile although you probably have a lot more to smile about.

Get real.
55

MisterN,

Scotland 24/06/2008 13:50:20
58

One with a predominatly Black population I suppose not PC but then I am trying to disguss reality as I see it.
56

Gere,

Scotland 24/06/2008 13:51:37
Please remember Democracy was the result of the development of a form of governnance by the tolerant, literate Pagan European mind. Pericles of Athens refined and instituted this concept circa 400BC.

It worked because the ancient Greeks evolved to a level of a literate civilization. As a homogenous population they did it all themselves, not waiting for a superior techniological culture to come and colonise and educate them.

If South Africa did not introduce separation it very probably would have gone the same way as Zimbabwe long ago. In time, South Africa will go the same way as Zimbabwe and other Black African Governments. There is no reason to believe otherwise, a study of black African Governments on the African continent strongly indicate this prognosis.

Even after generations of Black Africans having been born and educated in Britain it was found necessary to creat a special British Police Task Force to expressly deal with attempting to stop British born Blacks from murdering each other. This Police task force is known as Operation Trident. No other race, as far as I know, has ever needed a special Police task force to prevent what could be described as a form of self-inflicted genocide in the community's adopted country.

This could help explain what is happening in self governing Black African countries.
57

MisterN,

Scotland 24/06/2008 13:54:40
58

Saddam Hussains credentials with Israel and the West changed with the political agendas of the respectives countries even though he has always been a murderous b*stard. They didnt give a sh*t as long as he murdered his own or Iranians they did however feel the need to do something when he went after the Kuwaiti oil and started shouting about a Jihad against Israel.
So you see being a murderous despot isnt enough to get you depossed you have to be a threat to Israel or to natural resourses before the US takes an interest in your demise.
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MisterN,

Scotland 24/06/2008 14:01:30
65

Your are talking about a continent which hasent had a chance to develope its indiginous peoples during colonisation and apartheid regimes. An indiginous population deliberately kept down and away from basic human rights such as equal education, travel, equal wages. They were also denied training, promotion, in fact everything we take for granted. And you wonder why they struggle to run their own countries?
Our governments are all run by educated sophisticated world wise politicians and they still f*ck it up and are equally corrupt if better and more subtle about hiding it.
Dont make the mistake of glorifing what we have in comparrison to what is happening in Africa.
Like somebody said earlier its apples and oranges.
59

Gere,

Scotland 24/06/2008 14:02:02
Post #63

Having read your post I am forced to arrive at the conclusion that you have done little reading covering the reality of life in Africa under a Black Government.

No comparison can be even remotely drawn between shopping in Princess Street and the stark reality of life in Africa. I also believe ther is a prescribed bribe to be paid at Police stations over there before the receipt of service.
60

Gere,

Scotland 24/06/2008 14:06:02
Post #66
MisterN

What clarity of perceptual thought you display!

Few people are able to call on the level of discernment you have shown in your post!

Advise the Zimbabwian oposition to convert to Judasim and sit back, America will not be long in invading and liberating the Zimbabwian people!!
61

MisterN,

Scotland 24/06/2008 14:06:45
68

Oh get a grip and read it again the comparrison isnt between shopping in Princes street and life in Africa.
What are you on?
62

MisterN,

Scotland 24/06/2008 14:09:05
68

The comparrison is about making simplistic statements to cover general situations.
would you no be better reading comics?
63

MisterN,

Scotland 24/06/2008 14:13:44
69

Many a true word spoken in jest.
I wonder why the phrase is used so often?
64

Gere,

Scotland 24/06/2008 14:17:13
Post#67

MisterN

I refer you to my Post#65. Please take note of the fact that the originators of Democracy did it in 400BC.

No Black African country was colonised at that time!

Why did they fail to attain the evolution of a written language by the time the first colonisers who incidently were Arabs arrived????

The Black Africans had the same time that the Greeks had to acheive this!!
65

MisterN,

Scotland 24/06/2008 14:18:17
68

Oh aye and the Police in this country are way above bribery ask any crime boss.
66

MisterN,

Scotland 24/06/2008 14:22:42
73

According to archeologists Human life evolved first in Africa and moved on so its safe to say that Africans are responsible for all human acheivements.
Now how is that for simplistic thought?
Anybody can use it to avoid the real issues in a discussion and is that any less relevant to the point your trying so hard to make?
67

Gere,

Scotland 24/06/2008 14:23:03
Posts #70,71,72 refers
MisterN

I notice no comment from you regarding Operation Trident!

After reading your intellectually myopic and obtuse comments I recall a truism, goes something about casting one's pearls before-------!

You are in a state of denial about something!!!!
68

MisterN,

Scotland 24/06/2008 14:24:18
74

Hmm so is white on white trouble on the UK tribal as well?
69

MisterN,

Scotland 24/06/2008 14:27:44
77

Dont see any relevance this so called operation Trident has to the blog and I dont see how it has any relevance in the defence of white supremacy maybe you can eloborate how this makes the white man superior to the black man?
70

MisterN,

Scotland 24/06/2008 14:29:10
77

I am in a state of denial about your intellect and objectivity.
71

Gere,

Scotland 24/06/2008 14:32:08
Post# 76
MisterN

Problem with what you stated in your post #76 is;

Pericles was not a Black African, Hipocrates was not a Black African, Galen was not a Black African, Socrates was not a Black African, Aristotle was not a Black African, Pythagoras was not a Black African, the list simply goes on and on and on!

The invention of placing a tyre around someone's neck and setting them alight is a a distinctively Black African innovation, originating in South Africa I believe.
72

MisterN,

Scotland 24/06/2008 14:33:31
81

genetically he was as are we all.
Simplistic in the extreme.
73

C.U. Jimmy,

24/06/2008 14:37:44
What these posts illustrate is yet another form of apartheid. This is the one that separates:

People who actually live, or have lived, in Africa, and can claim to know from first-hand experience what they are talking about;

AND

MisterN and the other ignoramuses. These sad but presumably well-intentioned folk, to quote a phrase from my childhood, "open their mouths and let their bellies rumble".
74

All Politicians are the same,

Scotland 24/06/2008 14:39:00
#79

African tribes have been killing each other for thousands of years and they still divide along tribal lines when put into government. It can't all be the even colonialists fault, we generally left a pretty good infrastructure which they then destroyed. we didn't suddenly stop buying their goods yet they stopped making them. We must help and support them but we are not even allowed to do that as its seen as colonial interference. What are we meant to do? Lots of criticisms here no answers or solutions.
75

Gere,

Scotland 24/06/2008 14:42:46
Post#79
MisterN

Operation Trident demonstrates that even after generations out of Africa someone has to keep Black Africans from killing each.

The need for the existance for operation trident graphically illustrates that Black Africans remaining in Africa will remain in dire need of protection from their own for generations to come!!


76

MisterN,

Scotland 24/06/2008 14:45:38
83

How do you know I have never lived in Africa?
What we are seeing is people who have experianced one side of apartheid but not the other and its given them the mistaken belief they are somehow better human beings than those who have had to endure the wrong side of apartheid.
Self delusion at its worst and then there are the morons like yourself just dustbins willing to take anything in if it fits your own ignorant predudices.
People like you are so easily led by the nose with no effort whatsoever. Something to be proud of.
77

Gere,

Scotland 24/06/2008 14:45:53
Post #85
Apologies, the word "other" is missing at the end of the first sentence of my post
78

MisterN,

Scotland 24/06/2008 14:49:21
85

No it doesnt it was simply a one of Police operation.
Should have been used in the 50s in the Southern States of the US to stop the KKK from killing Black Americans for the crime of being black.
Didnt see or hear of any local white police forces used effectively for that did you?
Do you think a black American police force could have done a better job protecting the black American popultion of the southern states during the 50s and 60s?
79

Gere,

Scotland 24/06/2008 14:49:25
Post #86
MisterN

Have you considered the fact that without what you refer to as apartheid one of your own would have killed you before you left Africa?????
80

C.U. Jimmy,

24/06/2008 14:53:01
86, I know from the twaddle you write that you have never lived in Africa. Prove me wrong.
81

MisterN,

Scotland 24/06/2008 14:54:43
89

One of my own what?
Fact or wishful thinking? do you actually know what a fact is?
82

MisterN,

Scotland 24/06/2008 14:56:45
90

I lived in Algeria for just over a year?
And my wife is Black from Zimbabwe been there twice. Hence the interest. How about you? where does you dearth of knowledge spring from?
83

Allan(handofgod137),

24/06/2008 15:02:26
#76, So how do you account for the fact that those who "moved on" achieved progress while those who stayed didn't. Why don't you go there and help the people, or would that entail you actually doing something?
84

MisterN,

Scotland 24/06/2008 15:03:18
90

Come on Jimmy dont give up so easily show us how clever you think you really are.
85

georgia,

outside chicago 24/06/2008 15:03:18
Bush, Broon, and others of their shameful ilk will not intercede in African affairs because, in the grand scheme of world supremacy, China has already been granted sovereignty over Africa. The USA will get the Middle East, and Russia will get India and some of its surrounding neighbor countries. If you think this is farfetched, take a look at how things are getting divvied up already, bank-wise and resource-wise, etc. Of course, I have nothing scientific to prove this, but I believe the handwriting on the wall clearly showed itself with Chinese-backed murder in Darfur, for instance, which has been allowed to continue unabated for years and years. Why? Because Africa is going to the Chinese eventually, and no other of the major powers wants to/needs to intercede there. Just as no one will seriously intercede in other problem areas, like Israel and its neighbors....

The Bushies have pulled a double whammy on the world, going it pretty much alone in the Middle East because they really want to, but letting the other side criticize them for it as a fault - we liberals are just banging our heads against what is a very well-orchestrated "spin" organization, which has no collective conscience and is almost automotonic in its total outlook.....we are as screwed as the Zimbabweans, although we still don't always own up to it.....
86

Gere,

Scotland 24/06/2008 15:06:47
Post# 91
MisterN

How do you cope with everyday life with the hatred you harbour for people with white skins????

It must be a living hell for you to be able to contain that hatred when you are surrounded by white people!
87

C.U. Jimmy,

24/06/2008 15:07:22
92, I'm ahead of you. Lived in East Africa for almost 3 years, served as honorary consul there for a European country, worked with the locals, spoke the language, had the authentic African experience.

Also, saw many dead bodies on the street, witnessed shocking behaviour between locals of different tribes (e.g., my secretary saying in all seriousness: "I could happily kill someone from the [such and such] tribe", saw the infrastructure crumbling - raw sewage bubbling up along the street, experienced daily brown-outs despite the power being hydro-electric, had a friend shot dead when he refused to hand over the keys to his aid agency's Land Rover, etc, etc.

Get the picture? By the way, what relevance is your wife's colour to any of this?
88

jouster,

perth 24/06/2008 15:07:39
Media1: "...the system was unpallitable but the people were in essence in agreement about the system..."

Sure, if by that you mean "forced to comply with the system by some of the vilest laws in human history."

I'm not particularly left-leaning in political terms, but to claim that those most affected by apartheid essentially agreed with it is ludicrous, presumptive and insulting.
89

MisterN,

Scotland 24/06/2008 15:08:00
93

There is severe poverty outside of Africa as well or didnt you know that?
Some Africans are better off than some Europeans or didnt you know that either?

Why dont you? youre obviously one of those who thinks they are incapable of helping themselves not me.
90

MisterN,

Scotland 24/06/2008 15:11:28
97

Aye and I had the same experiances in Bosnia over the 2 years I spent there with the UN.
They even invented a whole new description for tribal warfare "ethnic cleansing" remember that wee gem.
And funnily enough the UN put Black African troops in to protect the White minorities from killing each other. Kind of makes your arguements look a bit silly doesnt it?
91

Gere,

Scotland 24/06/2008 15:13:18
Post #94
MisterN

I look forward to reading your reply to Post#93
by Allan(handofgod137)

Just try to keep your anti-white race hate out of it, it does somewhat detract from the comedic nuance!
92

MisterN,

Scotland 24/06/2008 15:15:58
101

See post 99 now when are you going to make an effort to answer any of my points? or are you going to turn out to be just another troll?
93

MisterN,

Scotland 24/06/2008 15:16:34
101

I am white you w*nker.
94

C.U. Jimmy,

24/06/2008 15:18:04
100, and what arguments would that be, exactly?
95

MisterN,

Scotland 24/06/2008 15:20:27
104

All of em but especially 97.
96

C.U. Jimmy,

24/06/2008 15:30:39
105, You have the gift of being able to read arguments where none was written. I am bored. Goodbye.
97

MisterN,

Scotland 24/06/2008 15:32:39
106

He took refuge by prior agreement thats all I know did he tell you why he went to the Dutch and not any other European embassy? Maybe it was the closest to his house? be a bit daft crossing over to another embassy if its further away from where you are at the time eh?
98

MisterN,

Scotland 24/06/2008 15:39:11
106

Or maybe he went because he thinks white people are superior to black people? is that your implication?
99

Gere,

Scotland 24/06/2008 15:48:44
Post#103
MisterN

Whatever hue you happen to be is not relevant, you are filled with hatred for people with white skins.

This hatred of white people permeates your otherwise amusing posts. Your hatred also blinds you to the points contained in my posts, please read them with comprehension, the answere sare all there. incidentally, the Kosovarians and other adherents of the Muslim faith in the Balklands are of Turkish extraction, not European!

I would continue to amuse myself by reading your white hate filled posts but I do have more serious issues to concern myself with.

Cheers for now, thanks for the laughs!
100

Erchie Broon,

24/06/2008 15:49:32
Mister N
If Ian Smith or any South African leader had ever once perpetrated one single act of racist agitation that Mugabe and his mates like Mbeki are guilty of, the Western Governments would have declared war on Rhodesia/South Africa. Instead they erect statues to black communist terrorists and celebrate the day they infected the planet - they are equally as complicit in the carnage that is Zimbabwe today and that is engulfing South Africa.
The liberal left wing brigade need to apologize universally to the white victims of black terrorist genocide, brutalisation and mayhem and they need to declare that Apartheid was in fact not a human rights violation but an attempt at self preservation by Southern African whites that expressly excluded the annihilation of the blacks that are today raping, murdering, plundering and pillaging Southern Africa with abandon.
101

MisterN,

Scotland 24/06/2008 15:52:29
110

And that contribution was simply idiotic.
What a tool.
102

MisterN,

Scotland 24/06/2008 15:58:17
111

Apartheid an attempt at self preservation?
Well I can safely say I have read it all.
Now when I can read that statement again written by a victims of apartheid then I will acknowledge its validity.
Black injustice doesnt excuse white injustice any more than white injustice excuses black injustice.
Injustice isnt ethnic its criminal.
You people cant honestly be this blind and stupid.
103

MisterN,

Scotland 24/06/2008 15:59:38
113

Aye maybe so instead of speculating why dont you send him an email and ask him? then come back with something a bit more relevant to what we are trying to discuss.
104

MisterN,

24/06/2008 16:02:49
117

So? does it say why he went to the Dutch embassy and not any of the other embassies African or otherwise?
105

MisterN,

24/06/2008 16:05:18
116

Do you have a problem with the French as well?
Not very socialable are you?
106

All Politicians are the same,

Scotland 24/06/2008 16:05:19
#100

Which black african troops were in Bosnia? That was a NATO/EU led a mission and I didn't see any African troops at all. Never mind in sufficient numbers and equipment to protect themselves as darfur proves let alone anybody else. Look what happened in sierra Leonne we had to send in UK troops to get it sorted.
107

sarnian paul,

Canada 24/06/2008 16:10:41
THe reason that a run off is required was due to the lack of 50% plus 1 vote. In the run off, if over 50% of the electorate do NOT vote due to not wishing to vote for Mugabe and having no alternate to vote for thereby giving Mugabe a majority but with less than the required 50% + 1, does this mean they have no President or another run off?
108

MisterN,

Scotland 24/06/2008 16:14:49
120

Kenyan troops were in Knin under UNPROFOR before NATO/EU took over the mission.
Three battalions in total.
109

MisterN,

Scotland 24/06/2008 16:16:19
122

Then read and learn.
110

Media 1,

cape town 24/06/2008 16:18:57
Jester

Read what I said again! None of us liked it......
You are what my black mates would call "the nobody clan" You know everything but nothing and you attempt to put forward your ideas about something you know little about.One thing that black people and white people in SA have in common is that they are all South African and people like you make us laugh..
111

MisterN,

Scotland 24/06/2008 16:19:10
120

Part of the deal was the UN supplied them with any equipment supplies they required which they do with most of their UN battalions.
112

MisterN,

Scotland 24/06/2008 16:22:24
125

And my black Zimbabwe mates have plenty stories to tell about Rhodies and "white settlers" in SA and their real feelings about them.
Do your "mates" still call you Bwana?
113

All Politicians are the same,

Scotland 24/06/2008 16:35:02
#123

Ah yes the ones that were selling fuel to the Serbians.
114

MisterN,

Scotland 24/06/2008 16:37:00
128

Aye thats them they served alongside the Czechs who were selling information weapons ammo and fuel.
115

MisterN,

Scotland 24/06/2008 16:39:44
129 contd

to the Serbs Croats and Muslims. These guys could teach you lot a lesson in being non discrimitory.
116

MisterN,

Scotland 24/06/2008 17:14:00
131

White loyalties? How do you possibly deal with somebody who thinks such a thing is real?
Is this your way of telling us youre a troll without having to actually admit it?
117

Allan(handofgod137),

24/06/2008 17:19:06
#99 Poverty in Europe is only relative, the media does not bombard us with images of starving children in Glasgow or Bern. I am quite aware that some Africans are better off than some Europeans, usually because they have created the poverty their people live in, by bleeding their countries dry. As to helping Africa, forget it, I'm more concerned about our own country's problems, Africa wanted to go it alone, the experiment has failed. Also I'm still waiting for an answer to my origional question, not a bunch of condescending tripe from a self loathing leftist nonentity.
118

MisterN,

Scotland 24/06/2008 18:00:21
133

You are of course referring to the politically controlled media and not a free press?

Its not an experiment its their basic human right
WTF is wrong with you?

What original question? and where are the answers to my questions?
119

MisterN,

Scotland 24/06/2008 18:09:32
135

Aye well dont you strain yourself trying to keep up.
Better stick to what youre used to keeping your head in the sand.
120

MisterN,

Scotland 24/06/2008 18:13:01
133

Self loathing as opposed to loathing everything and everybody else that doesnt fit into your perception of who and what you think you are?
I have nothing but loathing for poor deluded fools like you.
121

Rednose Harry,

Wallasey 24/06/2008 18:43:10
Who the hell are we to comment on anybody else's problems?Didn't we practce a form of religious apartheid particularly in N Ireland & Scotland?I'm still not convinced that the NI situation is permanently sorted.
Do people still get asked at job interviews in both countries "what school did you go to?"
Let's sort our own mess out before we go preaching to others.
122

Gere,

Scotland 24/06/2008 19:13:58
Hello MisterN, I have now dined and briefly return to your anti-white race-hate posts for a few after dinner laughs.

You have digressed so far from the content of my posts that it is necessary to repost them.
Post#65
Please remember Democracy was the result of the development of a form of governnance by the tolerant, literate Pagan European mind. Pericles of Athens refined and instituted this concept circa 400BC.

It worked because the ancient Greeks evolved to a level of a literate civilization. As a homogenous population they did it all themselves, not waiting for a superior techniological culture to come and colonise and educate them.

If South Africa did not introduce separation it very probably would have gone the same way as Zimbabwe long ago. In time, South Africa will go the same way as Zimbabwe and other Black African Governments. There is no reason to believe otherwise, a study of black African Governments on the African continent strongly indicate this prognosis.

Even after generations of Black Africans having been born and educated in Britain it was found necessary to creat a special British Police Task Force to expressly deal with attempting to stop British born Blacks from murdering each other. This Police task force is known as Operation Trident. No other race, as far as I know, has ever needed a special Police task force to prevent what could be described as a form of self-inflicted genocide in the community's adopted country.

This could help explain what is happening in self governing Black African countries.
123

Gere,

Scotland 24/06/2008 19:22:16
Post# 76
MisterN

Problem with what you stated in your post #76 is;

Pericles was not a Black African, Hipocrates was not a Black African, Galen was not a Black African, Socrates was not a Black African, Aristotle was not a Black African, Pythagoras was not a Black African, the list simply goes on and on and on!

You see, the Europeans did not sit around and wait for somebody to arrive, colonise them and give them the gift of education. Instead they set about inventing education. Erestostenes, another naughty European actually worked out the circumference of the earth Circa 300BC.

What were the then uncolonised Black Africans doing at that time????

The invention of placing a tyre around someone's neck and setting them alight is a a distinctively Black African innovation, originating in South Africa I believe!

Also, what is the necessity for the establishment of Operation Trident got to do with the American Deep South???

The hook is bated, please bite! I do not come back tonight I promise I will come and play with you tomorrow!!
124

MisterN,

Scotland 24/06/2008 19:34:12
139

65

Your are talking about a continent which hasent had a chance to develope its indiginous peoples during colonisation and apartheid regimes. An indiginous population deliberately kept down and away from basic human rights such as equal education, travel, equal wages. They were also denied training, promotion, in fact everything we take for granted. And you wonder why they struggle to run their own countries?
Our governments are all run by educated sophisticated world wise politicians and they still f*ck it up and are equally corrupt if better and more subtle about hiding it.
Dont make the mistake of glorifing what we have in comparrison to what is happening in Africa.
Like somebody said earlier its apples and oranges.
125

MisterN,

Scotland 24/06/2008 19:36:31
140

81

genetically he was as are we all.
Simplistic in the extreme.

I didnt feel any need to go over this again but what the hell its raining outside and I have nothing better to do but entertain trolls pretending to post arguements.
126

Rednose Harry,

Wallasey 24/06/2008 19:50:41
#142
Aye!but arguments I always understood to be exchanges of ignorance - discussions being an exchanges of intelligence.
127

MisterN,

Scotland 24/06/2008 20:06:13
143 Hello AM2

Must be your 4th account on this blog tonight.

No doubt you could write on the back of a stamp everything you understand.

144

Well if we are going to follow your logic to its conclusion then it seems you are suggesting we are all inferior to the yellow man if you wish to judge the worth of an individual by "civilisation" standards.
Is your inferiority complex no conflicting with your superiority complex?
128

MisterN,

Scotland 24/06/2008 20:21:54
146

I just did but heres a wee bit more

http://wysinger.homestead.com/kerma.html

Now maybe now you would like to explain exactly what point it is youre trying so hard to make?
129

MisterN,

Scotland 24/06/2008 20:27:49
148

No your not your changing your position by 180 degrees.
What a f*cking troll. P*ss off and stop wasting my time.
130

Dekester,

Canada's westcoast 24/06/2008 20:44:07
Mr N,

Have you travelled much past the holiday spots of Spain or Portugal.

Your defence of lunacy is commendable. However you do appear to be a real fool.

You are naive in the extreme..Cheers Gere you are right on the money. Let the fools believe..the are entertaining.
131

chico y,

Alba 24/06/2008 20:44:54
Mugabe - not democratically elected, corrupt, runs dodgy elections, doesn't know when to give up power, wrecks his country's economy.

Seems to remind me of someone.
132

MisterN,

Scotland 24/06/2008 20:49:27
150

They didnt invent or develope WMDs, They didnt invent Biological or Chemical warfare, They havent contributed much to global warming, They havent tried to dominate the rest of the world.
Its seems their biggest contribution to the world is basically relative to the rest of us they havent interfered with anybody eleses way of life.
Now what do you think our biggest contribution has been to the world? Global warfare or WMDs?

133

MisterN,

Scotland 24/06/2008 20:51:56
151

Now tell us why?
134

MisterN,

Scotland 24/06/2008 21:01:07
150

Are you still there or are you off sulking?
135

indune1,

Canada 24/06/2008 21:04:39

Mister N - you have been at it for almost 12 hrs.

I suppose that this is due to the fact that you said it was raining and you had nothing to do.

Nah, go and wash the car in the rain. Very eco-friendly. Collect rainwater for your garden.

If you do, it might clear your head and cause you to realise that for the past 12 hours you have been working quite assiduously at making a fool of yourself.

And you said you had nothing to do: silly, stupid boy.

When you have dug yourself a thirty foot hole mate, let go of the f*cking shovel.

This might stop you

136

MisterN,

Scotland 24/06/2008 21:05:55
150

Come on troll I gave you an even easier question to answer you have a 50 50 chance of getting it right has our greatest contribution to the world been global warfare or WMDs?
137

KampungHighlander,

Jakarta 24/06/2008 21:07:03
#86 MisterN

"How do you know I have never lived in Africa?"

Its apperant from your posts, the closest you have been to Africa is when you rented a copy of the Lion King.
138

MisterN,

Scotland 24/06/2008 21:08:15
156

Why are there so many trolls posting from Canada on a Scottish blog? have you given up abusing the Quebec French?
139

MisterN,

Scotland 24/06/2008 21:09:55
158

Aye and the closest youve been to the highlands is a rented copy of Braveheart.
140

indune1,

Canada 24/06/2008 21:12:53
150 - Pete - "What do you propose as black Afica`s biggest contribution to the world in the last two hundred years, (I`ll start you off, 1)Blues music......your turn.. 2)"

Since Mister N ( N for Numptie) doesn't want to come out and play on this one, I'll offer up two suggestions

2. A great board game called "Spot the Dictator!"; and

3. A reason for the UN to justify its existence.

141

MisterN,

Scotland 24/06/2008 21:16:24
161
I answered:
Its seems their biggest contribution to the world is basically relative to the rest of us they havent interfered with anybody eleses way of life.
Now what do you think our biggest contribution has been to the world? Global warfare or WMDs?

Now why dont you try and answer what your other troll pal couldnt?
Global warfare or WMDs? the white man at his best.
142

indune1,

Canada 24/06/2008 21:19:41

My word! It has just occured to me that AM Twa has changed his moniker to Mister N and developed an interest in international affairs. One has to admire his passion for such matters.

Despite being turned down by Open University for an undergrad degree, he has forked out 2 quid to take his degree by correspondence.
143

MisterN,

Scotland 24/06/2008 21:22:34
163

Cant answer either eh? like to come on these blogs gob off with nothing to back it up time and nothing of substance to contribute there is obviously a rock lying around somewhere with nothing under it.
144

indune1,

Canada 24/06/2008 21:25:53

Wonder what you said when the wee wifie when she came home after a hard day at work?

After listening to you explaining away 12 hours of delusional behaviour, she probably stood agog and said, "You left NASA for this? And no, for f*ck's sake, there was nothing in the post for you from the Nobel Committee".

145

MisterN,

Scotland 24/06/2008 21:26:52
165

You forgot to add cybertrolling should have been top of the list.
146

MisterN,

Scotland 24/06/2008 21:28:33
166

And no doubt your misses just gave you your usual "Sieg Heil" followed by F*ck me Herman not another tattoo?
147

indune1,

Canada 24/06/2008 21:29:38
165 - Pete - idune 1?

Give me credit, I've done more than 1 in my time!!!
148

MisterN,

Scotland 24/06/2008 21:37:38
170

Well I am no archaeologist nor a anthropologist so I may be wrong but my best guess is they didnt they all seem to have one head 2 arms 2 legs and a torso most of em anyway or are we comparing parallel universes now? Is your inability to deal with reality a defense against having to live in a diverse world?
149

Erchie Broon,

24/06/2008 21:38:12
Mr N
Africans in Southern Africa do not refer to Whites as "bwana." Maybe you have been watching some old DVD's of Alf Garnett? They generally call them "baas." In your particular case you would be referred to by Whites in Southern Africa as a "meid naaier."
150

MisterN,

Scotland 24/06/2008 21:40:49
173

Ah probably better than being called a munt or Kaffir though eh?
151

indune1,

Canada 24/06/2008 21:44:22

Night, night Mister Numptie.

Must get back to work after taking such an amusing break.

Don't take yourself so seriously or eitherwise you'll end up arguing with yourself.

Try to learn the following phrases:

Yes, I never thought about it that way.

You have actually been there?

Oh my, yes, I just might be ill-informed or just plain wrong.

Yes, Marx and Lenin were proper gits.

Being white doesn't mean you have to be a professional apologist.
152

MisterN,

Scotland 24/06/2008 21:49:23
175

Night Night Herman if it gets too dark you can always white over your windows.
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KampungHighlander,

Jakarta 24/06/2008 22:02:33
Mr.N

"Your are talking about a continent which hasent had a chance to develope its indiginous peoples during colonisation and apartheid regimes. An indiginous population deliberately kept down and away from basic human rights such as equal education, travel, equal wages. They were also denied training, promotion, in fact everything we take for granted. And you wonder why they struggle to run their own countries?"

You could say the same thing about all the former colonies, how do you explain that it seems to be that the sub saharan African ones have failed to develope. Where as other former colonies, that suffered under colonialism for much longer, Zimbabwe only 80 years of it, have been able to throw off the colonial legacy and progress.
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MisterN,

Scotland 24/06/2008 22:07:00
177

Why dont you tell me why? do you think it may be related to skin pigmentation? Do you think it may be related to the position of the sun relative to the Earths tilt on its axis?
I would really like to here your explanation.
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Erchie Broon,

24/06/2008 22:09:00
#KampungHighlander,
If you research Prof Richard Lynn you will find the answer you are seeking.His research showed that SubSaharan Africans have IQ levels averaging around 67( maybe thats why Mr N's wife married him).
156

MisterN,

24/06/2008 22:13:51
179

Considering IQ tests consist of questions on subjects only learned in School its hardly surprising maybe if IQ tests were designed to show ability to survive under adverse conditions there would be a higher score than acheived by Europeans and Americans.
No doubt one day even you may acheive a score of 67 or more if you take the test often enough
157

Erchie Broon,

24/06/2008 22:23:13
Mr N
Go and read the research and see what it consists of instead of posting guesswork. Your Mother must have nightmares wishing she'd had an abortion.
158

MisterN,

Scotland 24/06/2008 22:24:20
179

Prof Richard Lynn aye he's the c*ut who said IQ levels are relative to national GDPs so you are only as clever as your politicians ability to control their national economies. I am only surprised this guy was never committed.
159

MisterN,

Scotland 24/06/2008 22:26:09
181

I bet your mother still believes she did abort you.
160

KampungHighlander,

Jakarta 24/06/2008 22:26:17
#178

I think it is they had no of the basics of a civilization prior to colonialism. Where as a most other colonies had developed beyond rudimentry agriculture, had written languages, had cities and some form of political organization. Africa did not.

The reason they have made such a poor go of things is that colonialism was not around long enough to pass on the benefits of civilization.

To blame colonialism for Africas problems is mistaken. Unless you are blaming us for creating States that the indigenous population is too incompetent to run.

If Rhodes had not colonized Zimbabwe and left the rudimentry trappings of statehood. Mugabe would have grown up a cattle herder. Not a vile vile dictator and mass murderer, may that is the fault of colonialism, giving evil people the technology needed to oppress large numbers of their fellow Africans.
161

MisterN,

Scotland 24/06/2008 22:32:20
184

Oh wrong there sunshine see my link I posted at 147

never mind here it is again to save you the bother

http://wysinger.homestead.com/kerma.html

I bet it was apartheid that filled Mugabe with hate what do you think? is it possible?
Its the same old question of what did the Romans do for us? but I bet everybodies happy we dont all speak Latin eh?
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MisterN,

Scotland 24/06/2008 22:37:54
185

The Romans offered the world civilisation and all its trappings and all it asked for in return was total obedience and subjegation.
Sound familiar?
163

MisterN,

Scotland 24/06/2008 22:47:34
Anyway I am done tormenting the white trash night night all and remember the black man and the Arab are out there just waiting for you to close your eyes.

Whoooaaaaaaaaaa
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Erchie Broon,

24/06/2008 22:48:27
Mr N
OK so you cant comprehend Lynn.Try Nobel Prize Winner Albert Schweitzer:

“I have given my life to alleviate the sufferings of Africa.
There is something that all White men who have lived
here like I have must learn and know: that these individuals
are a sub-race. They have neither the mental or emotional
abilities to equate or share equally with White men in any
functions of our civilization. I have given my life to try to
bring unto them the advantages which our civilization must
offer, but I have become well aware that we must retain
this status: White the superior, and they the inferior. For
whenever a White man seeks to live among them as their
equals, they will destroy and devour him, and they will
destroy all his work. And so for any existing relationship
or any benefit to this people, let White men, from anywhere
in the world, who would come to help Africa, remember that
you must maintain this status: you the master and they the
inferior, like children whom you would help or teach. Never
fraternize with them as equals. Never accept them as your
social equals or they will devour you. They will destroy you.”



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MisterN,

Scotland 24/06/2008 22:58:01
188

Did he win his nobel prize for writing that gem?

"All men are created equal" Thomas Jefferson in the Declaration of Independence didnt win the nobel prize for it though.
166

MisterN,

Scotland 24/06/2008 23:02:27
I really have to go F*ck me what a world we live in.
167

oder,

Scotland 25/06/2008 00:31:36
2 Senga Jean

"Iain Smith was an apartheid supporting small minded bigot. Those of us close to the realities in Rhodesia knew that land reform was essential."

you were not very close to those realities Senga Jean the word Apartheid is a Afrikaans word from South Africa which was the policy of the National Party from 1948 and was not the policy in Rhodesia. (for some one in the know can`t understand how you missed it)

"kaffirs" interesting word! do you know what it means? is not English its Arabic, the Arabs were using for years while enslaving Africans hundreds of years before white men ever saw Southern Africa.

Mugabe believes he is a democrat obviously you believe it as well! how else does a tyrant who commits "theft" and claims its land reform! you really need to study the African, the majority of African nations/tribes are "cattlemen" not farmers! from the Masai in Kenya to the Zulu of South Africa.(suggest you read "A Tribal Identity" by Dr Pieter Becker)

"The indigenous people were kept in their "place". There were no blacks with a stake in the future of Rhodesia."

and now under Mugabe 2 million fled to South Africa! how many are now starving in Zimbabwe another 2 million
not to mention thousands killed.

The indigenous people are still kept in their "place".
there are still no blacks with a stake in the future of Zimbabwe, under Smith millions of Africans had food to eat! Ian Smith said Mugabe would destroy Rhodesia.
He has done a good job has he not? as some other poster said you are on another planet!
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MisterN,

Scotland 25/06/2008 09:31:14
192

Oh aye thats so so obvious.
169

MisterN,

Scotland 25/06/2008 10:20:22
191

The origin of the word Kaffirs is irrelevant to the fact that it was no is used by White South Africans to insult Black South Africans the SA equivalent of the word "ni gger" as used in the US.
Nobody believes Mugabe is democratic and nobody has tried to defend him or his regime if you cant keep track of whats under discussion then go find an adult who can.
And the price for that food under Smith was their freedom dignity and right to live as human beings.
Like I said what did the Romans ever do for us?
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oder,

Scotland 25/06/2008 10:51:08
186 MisterN,Scotland 24/06/2008

The Romans offered the world civilisation and all its trappings and all it asked for in return was total obedience and subjegation.
Sound familiar?

Yes! and after 400 years of "Romano Pax" with a few minor arguments here and there the natives of this island when on to become a country called "Great Britain" the natives learned from the Romans how to run, operate and organise a country and then built an empire greater in extent than the Romans had, the point being made here is there is good as well as bad in being colonised, unfortunately for the Africans they learned nothing from the experience, unlike many other countries that were colonies they kept the good and progressed, I could accept the argument that its the fault of the white man if all the other colonies were in the same state as Africa! which obviously there not!
the British set up the same structures throughout their empire, and all moved on to become successful independent nations, except Africa.
the problems of Africa today are created by Black Africans themselves, when white Africans ran the countries no one starved, but they didn`t have a vote!
now they have a vote the problem is they may die of starvation before the next vote, its debatable whether thats an improvement or not.

when civilisation is moving forward human dignity is always trampled on, clashes of culture always result in the natives being subjugated, out of that rises a new mixed culture for better or worse, if you read the post again I did not raise the word "Kaffirs" I was answering poster 2 I can keep on track just fine you appear to have the problem suggest you work on it!
Your one year in Africa you haven't learnt enough!
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MisterN,

Scotland 25/06/2008 12:09:25
195

Unbelievable how much historical fact did you have to leave out in order to make history fit your arguement?
How about all of the blood war death and resistance to the Roman incurrsion how about the brutal repression and the massacre and total destruction of the indiginous religions.
Colonisation by force unwelcomed and unwanted.
We are not where we are today because of the Romans but because of the resistance we put up to the Romans.
Scotland isnt Scotland because it caved in to continuous English incursion and expansionism it remained Scotland because it resisted and still does.
Its so easy to accept colonisation and subjegation when your the one colonising and subjegating try living on the A*se end of it then come back and argue for it.
You are the one speaking from a position of ignorance and until you yourself experiance the indignity of being treated less than human dont tell us its all for the good.
F*cking clueless.
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oder,

Scotland 25/06/2008 14:24:59
you really need to get your emotion out of the way! the Roman empire was a fact right or wrong is irrelevant it happened! get used to it! the worlds first super power in modern times was Great Britain and a direct consequence of Roman subjugation life is a learning experience for all! Africans have suffered no more than any one else who were colonised. yet the only ones that have failed to make their independence work! I make no argument for the right or wrong of colonisation however using the situation to your own advantage is the wisest thing to do, as indeed many did the Africans didn`t
get used to it!

F*cking clueless? No argument from me that you are!
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MisterN,

Scotland 25/06/2008 16:52:44
197

Hardly the point though is it? people on these blogs are not saying Africans should have learned from their degrading experiances under aparthied they are saying they should still be living under apartheid for their own good. Never mind the fact that its not for anybody elses benefit to live under apartheid but then we are not untermench.
Like I said before stick to the discussion.
174

oder,

Scotland 25/06/2008 20:08:55
198 MisterN,Scotland 25

you don't understand very well do you? "Apartheid" the brainchild of Dr Hendrik Verwoerd he was from South Africa, Afrikaans speaking! Apartheid is an Afrikaans word it isn't English, it was and never had been the policy of Rhodesia no matter how many times you and senga jean and other apologists say that it was! you assume that two are the same they are not! I repeat Rhodesia did not import Apartheid from SA.
like I said you have a lot to learn!

you said

Like I said before stick to the discussion.

No problem! if you could tell the difference between the two.
175

MisterN,

Scotland 25/06/2008 21:38:35
199

Thats the first sensible post you have made on here so far.
176

MisterN,

Scotland 25/06/2008 21:39:49
200

Aye ok if you say so lets just call it abuse of basic human rights then.
177

oder,

Scotland 25/06/2008 22:41:20
202 MisterN,Scotland 25

well you understand the difference good for you!

 

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