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Published Date:
12 January 2008
IT IS one of the best-known destinations in the United Kingdom, and yet most visitors who endure the long and winding road spend only ten minutes there.
The famous signpost at John O'Groats: the village is hoping to attract thousands more visitors as a result of a facelift Picture: PA
The famous signpost at John O'Groats: the village is hoping to attract thousands more visitors as a result of a facelift Picture: PA
About 170,000 people a year head to John o' Groats. Many, who go expecting a large town or themed village, are left wondering "is this it?", while guidebooks can be less than complimentary. The Lonely Planet guide to Scotland describes the village as the country's "worst and most embarrassing tourist attraction", where the main draw is "a car park surrounded by shoddy craft and souvenir shops".

"It's not worth the trip here and it's hardly worth including this text about the place," the guide's author says dismissively. But a new start is beckoning for the "end of the road" destination, The Scotsman can reveal.

In the next few weeks, a public open day will be held to outline a way forward for the area, and a master plan for its redevelopment is expected in the spring.

The aim is to make John o' Groats a flagship development for the north Highlands, with a revamped hotel, quality shops and tourism interpretation on its history and Viking heritage.

The landmark has a curious public standing. Its status is based on the false premise that it is the most northerly point on the British mainland (that's actually Dunnet Head). It is also the subject of countless tales of disappointment, bad weather and dodgy service, but still retains an iconic status.

Coach parties and day trippers make it a regular stopping point in tours across the top of Scotland or to Orkney, and on a trail which takes in other attractions such as the Castle of Mey.

Some just want to say they've been there, and retreat from the wind coming off the Pentland Firth as soon as they arrive. Others may be delayed by a walk along the cliff paths or a visit to the small cluster of shops, offering knitwear, pottery, wedding favours and candles outlets.

The biggest disappointment is the area's most famous landmark, the John o' Groats Hotel, a once striking white Gothic building, now run down and functioning only as a public bar: it is half a mile from the only other hotel.

Roy Kirk, who helped lure Donald Trump to Scotland, believes the location has great potential.

He was a senior executive with Scottish Development International, which encouraged Trump to bring his proposed £1 billion golf resort and housing development to Balmedie. Now, as an inward investment executive with Highlands and Islands Enterprise, he is manager of the Caithness Regeneration Partnership, charged with attracting new investment to the far north.

He sees parallels between the Trump plan and that for John o' Groats. "There is no doubt at all, whatever individuals think of Trump, that it is a brilliant name to have in Scotland," he said. "Equally, if we can bring investment into John o' Groats, what a tremendous thing for the people. But it has to be sympathetic and won't be imposed on the community. It's about bringing something that otherwise wouldn't be there."

He believes John o' Groats has a lot going for it – its spectacular location and wildlife, fascinating history, harbour, archaeology linked to Orkney and, above all, it is already very famous. "I believe John o' Groats is a fantastic name," he said. "Look at the number of different companies and areas that are trying to get branding, trying to get their name up there. John o' Groats already has that name, but it's fair to say that, sadly, a lot of visitors just now are disappointed.

"We need to give people a reason to spend their time there. The average stay time at present is about ten minutes. At Land's End, the average stay time is four to six hours."

Mr Kirk said retailing of the kind found at House of Bruar on the A9 and Mohamed al-Fayed's Falls of Shin centre in Sutherland should be the benchmark.

"About 170,000 people a year come to John o' Groats. The numbers going to Falls of Shin are about 230,000 and at Land's End its about 350,000," he said.

Heritage GB, which also owns Land's End, took over the John o' Groats Hotel in 1996 and is keen to be part of the regeneration. Dudley Westgate, its operations manager, said: "Everyone is in agreement that the whole area needs to improve.

"It is an iconic destination, but unfortunately the delivery of the product is at the moment very poor. Therefore, any individual going in there and investing would be taking a major risk."

Mr Westgate said a similar situation faced Land's End 25 years ago – Heritage GB now owns 115 acres there and controls the marketing. He said it could take about three years to begin to see action at John o' Groats. He went on: "

But we have to make sure we get it right. Forget the Disney-type attractions, we need to have quality hotels and a retail village; the whole thing needs to be upped in terms of quality."

Local businesses are keen for something to happen but say it has to be done sensitively.

Walter Mowatt, who runs a craft shop, said: "When people see the hotel looking dilapidated, it reflects on the rest of John o' Groats. Our difficulty is we are a geographical extremity, so anything that would extend the season would be beneficial."

Billy Stephen, who runs a caravan site, said: "Visitors don't want it too commercialised, like Land's End, which is under the control of one owner. Here, there are a lot of individuals involved."

Terry Levinthal, director of the Scottish Civic Trust, also warned the emphasis should be on quality. "It's not the quantity of the investment that's important, it's the quality," he said.

And he added: "To put significant regenerative resources into a place as iconic as John o' Groats carries with it a potential danger that you miss the mark when it comes to badging what the place is all about. You need to be extremely sensitive about what you are doing."

He said the last time he visited John o' Groats, it was "one of the most spectacular let-downs that any Scottish destination could provide you with".

Last year, a community group considered a buy-out of the hotel after becoming frustrated at a lack of progress. Rhoda Grant, a Highlands and Islands MSP who has been working with the community, said: "I still believe that with the drive and commitment of HIE and those businesses and other stakeholders involved, plans will progress to deliver a tourist attraction fitting to John o' Groats' unique location."

Scotland's tourism gets target for growth

SHÂN ROSS

VISITSCOTLAND has a target to "grow" tourism by 50 per cent by 2015.

The agency has identified five "drivers" to prompt growth in the industry which earns £4.1 billion for the economy every year.

They include extending attraction opening hours, increasing the length of the season, and persuading businesses to promote each other's goods.

But Philip Riddle, chief executive of VisitScotland, has warned the target is unachievable without a dramatic improvement in skills, motivation and year-round attractions.

Improving the offer at high-profile locations such as John O'Groats is clearly part of that.

This is especially true at a time when the pound is strong against the US dollar, making Scotland an expensive destination for those across the Atlantic.

However, the weakness of the pound against the euro could help encourage more tourists from the rest of the European Union.

'There is a tacky theme park on the site'

JOHN ROSS

LAND'S End has already seen a massive change in the number of attractions for visitors over the last 20 years.

The landmark presently boasts 35,000 sq ft of undercover attractions and shopping facilities.

Among the attractions is a Dr Who exhibition, the 'Last Labyrinth' – a "multi-sensory theatre show" telling the myths and legends of the area – a film about local air sea rescues and Greeb Far – a Cornish farmstead – as well as shops, amusements and an adventure plan area.

But not everyone is enthusiastic about the site. The travel site wikitravel says: "There is a tacky theme park on the site. A professional photographer takes photos of you in front of the signpost showing your hometown's distance. He will charge you around £5 for the photos.

"Unfortunately you can't do photos on your own, since the signpost is surrounded by a small fence, preventing you from getting too close."

FACTS AND FICTION

JOHN o' Groats is named after a Dutchman, Jan de Groot. In 1496 King James IV granted him the ferry franchise between the harbour and Orkney.

It is said that de Groot gave his name to the silver coin, the groat, which was the fare for the crossing.

De Groot also started development of the area, building a house at a site near the hotel. It is marked by a mound and flagpole.

Legend has it the house was eight-sided to avoid rows between himself and his seven sons. The house had eight doors and an eight-sided table so that no one occupied the head of the table. De Groot is buried in Canisbay churchyard.

The village is the furthest north on the British mainland. It is 874 miles from Land's End. John o' Groats is usually regarded as the most northerly settlement of Great Britain, but the actual most northerly point is at nearby Dunnet Head. The community has a population of about 300.

As well as the famous name, it is also renowned as a haven for wildlife with seals and whales spotted off the coast and a variety of birds, including puffins.

It attracts many people who want to make the marathon trip to Land's End, usually for sponsored events. They are known locally as End-to-Enders.

The famous "journey's end" signpost at John o' Groats, like its counterpart at Land's End, is private property and owned and operated by photographic firm.

The location has been attacked for its rundown appearance on many occasions.



Locals mount a spirited defence, saying the authors have obviously never visited the area.



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  • Last Updated: 11 January 2008 11:27 PM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
 
1

Rosie,

Edinburgh 12/01/2008 00:32:20
I visited John o'Groats and agree it is very bad and not worth visiting... but I didn't go there for the visitor centre only to say I had been there - I'd still have gone if there had been nothing. I also visited Lands End and was greeted by Scottish music playing over the tannoy............. I didn't go there for the visitor centre either.
2

Aussie tourist,

West Aust 12/01/2008 06:22:13
We stayed for less than 10 minutes on the two
occasions we were at John o'Groats. It may be the
furthest northerly settlement but we stayed longer at Dunnet Head, the most northerly point of the mainland.
I wasn't at all impressed with John o'Groats. I thought it was touristy, very badly so, and claiming to be something it is not.
3

Continental,

12/01/2008 06:43:26
#1 - agreed. Did the same in New Zwaland - drove for hours to Cape Reinga because I wanted to go the far tip of the country, there is nothing there either. It's a landmark.
4

Ernie,

Olivos, Buenos Aires, Argentin 12/01/2008 06:44:10
I've been there twice. People forget that half the fun of getting to John O'Groats is in the journey!!

I missed:

1. A Masonic Lodge
2. A good pub
3. A good B&B

Sincerely,

Ernie Reid
Buenos Aires
Argentina
5

another expat,

the real world 12/01/2008 08:03:57
Hold the front page !!!!

John O'Groats is a piece of land next to the sea.

What's the big deal? Are there not spectacular sea views and bracing weather?
6

Schiehallion,

Monifieth 12/01/2008 08:43:26
This is the way I think John O Groats should stay, it would be a farce if it was developed into a "visitor destination". A decent cafe or restaurant would struggle to survive year round due to overheads. Desolate can be beautiful too.
7

an interested party,

12/01/2008 08:51:58
ben nevis is equally as bland, but its a hill and walkers dont expect to much from it.

i do wonder at what ppl expect to find at a land mark
8

bonspeil,

12/01/2008 09:09:56
Yeh, I hear at the top of Everest it's just a jaggy bit of rock - there's not even a toilet! It's rubbish. Lonely Planet wouldn't like it at all. Much better to make these natural places like Niagara Falls and build Ripley's Believe It or Not Museums everywhere to enhance the natural splendour.
9

Kipling,

12/01/2008 09:13:17
Very obviously noone has looked around them.

There are a few ancient forts in the area which were interesting to visit, although one was too dangerous to actually get into. Indeed when I visited them I must have been so unique that I was stalked by a helicopter, which spoilt the morning with its loud whirring blades, and a fighter jet, which turned just beyond me and zapped in so low that I was caught in the breaking of the sound barrier, an enormous whooshing sound wind. I had to crouch down to avoid being lifted off my feet. Weird, but it may have done this to warn me of the state of the cliff by the fort which I was then approaching.

In attracting more visitors to stay it would be nice to retain such isolated parts: I found this attractive. Otherwise as the writer above says, it could develop into a theme park with little to distinguish it other than its name & the surrounding area damaged by too many tourists.
10

james 1st,

hamilton 12/01/2008 09:14:14
#4 we stayed in a very good b&b in john o groats, got our picture at the sign, and took the ferry to orkney.the souveneir shops were not up to much ,we just bought some postcards and posted them.
orkney was fabulous,we will return there this year
11

sceptic,

12/01/2008 09:23:08
2 Aussie tourist,
Exactly my sentiments. I can foresee a replica of the tacky Lands End site on the horizon.
12

MacMerrynoon,

Torino 12/01/2008 09:27:52
I hope there will be no Trump project about Dunnet Head
13

fegan,

Northern Ireland 12/01/2008 09:39:31
I love Scotland and visit most years, but have to agree that John O Gronats is not worth the trip.
Every thing is far to Expensive you would not pay the rip off fee to have your photograph taken and the famous land mark.
Hotels in the Area are very basic and rather tired and expensive for what you get.
On the other side the People are so friendly and helpful and the views stunning even in a wet day.
I motorbike there as often is I can in the passed several times a year but with the cost escelating I will have to make do with once a year or may be every other year.
Compared to the rest of Europe it is poor value, you now get charged for short stay Parking,Toilets,Inflated Fuel Prices,Expensive Food.
I really Love Scotland and its people but unfortunately it is Pricing its self out of the market.
14

MWM,

Argyll 12/01/2008 10:26:35
So they will build a visitor centre to show what it looked like before they built the visitor centre!!!
15

Upbeat,

12/01/2008 11:23:01
It's a place on the map. It does not have to have any development there. When Capt Scott was raing Amundsen to the south pole he knew there was nothing to be seen there.

Why anybody should think that every landmark in these islands needs an " Interpretive centre" a tearoom , and a expensive infratructure is a mystery. Som eplaces are far more Iconic because they are what they have always been.

I echo post#3 ..at the other end of New Zealand, on the south Island is Slope point. There is nothing between there and Antartica. You walk for half an hour down across open fields to get to it. Its a magic place. A signboard tells you where you are, and how far it is to other places on the globe. Just the sea and the cooling wind ! Unspoilt, and magical.
16

pehman,

sussex 12/01/2008 11:24:58
1, Rosie, yep I did the same thing, just to say I been there.

Down here I'm only a couple of miles from Beachy Head, There is a pub/restaurant an old, disused lighthouse and ice cream vans.

I've worked out why so many people come here to commit suicide------- there's bogger all else to do
17

Evan Owen,

Upper Gumtree 12/01/2008 11:31:28
If it's so far away from everything else then what do you expect to find there? Disneyland?
18

westview,

No longer ruled by Labour , Renfrewshire. 12/01/2008 12:11:40
If you travel to the north of Scotland then factor in a short stay in one of the atractive wee towns in the area. Wick or Thurso. Much more to do than at John o'Groats, which you can visit in a small detour, just to say you have been there. BUT please clean up the site , it is ugly, and like any beauty spot in our lovely country it can be spoiled by lazy rubbish dumpers.
19

Fern.Lindsay,

Insch 12/01/2008 12:14:45
Visited J'O'G a few years ago. Remeber some of it. Would love to see it have a wee facelift, then i might return!
20

Andrah,

Embrugh 12/01/2008 12:36:14
How about opening a Wetherspoons? You can then have up to two drinks with the weans.
21

Angus Ogg,

Argyll 12/01/2008 12:44:06
Good thought provoking Artical John Ross. Thankyou.

In fairness to the folk at John O'Groats who must get a little peeved at criticism, I have always found the reception very friendly and helpful. Literally a small community on the edge. The very edge. What are they to do?

Exactly what they are doing. Stimulate a debate.

I share the view of Scottish Civic Trust. Not quantity but quality.

Do it right, and with some style.

Less tacky. More substance and detail, with a touch of something special. The X Factor at the Edge (Not the tv program). But to find something that can define and interest the people who have made the effort to travel to visit what is in fact a very beautiful area.

Also don't forget the Orkney Islands and the SHetlands farther north. They are well worth the effort to visit.
22

Angus Ogg,

Argyll 12/01/2008 12:54:22
#15 Col Blimp thankyou.

Lol, am doubled up as I have THAT photo, especially with the strange horizontal haircut. Very windy place !!

Also, Col., with regard to the Orcadian connection, there is a great wee website that gives live detail of what is going on over the Pentland Firth....

http://www.aisliverpool.co.uk/currentmap.php?map=Orkney

Cheers,

Angus
23

E.A. Swimmer,

12/01/2008 12:57:05
#25 Angus Ogg - well said. It is all about striking the right balance. As it is at the moment, 10 mins just about sums it up - unless you take a stroll to the fairly adjacent sea stacks to do a bit of bird watching, and marvel at the power of the sea.
24

william john,

ayr 12/01/2008 14:18:25
John o Groats Highland Games doesent get a mention .

What the tourist board appears to want is Donald Trump and theme park dont be so saft. What is needed is the place straightening out without any of this nonsense..What about a lottery grant to improve the hotel and facilities

The highland games might not be as good as the neighbouring one at Halkirk and nothing like the crowds and competition at Braemar and the like.
But John O Groats games has Rolls Royce sponsership
Vintage cars appear, Pipe Band, Running Races , Caber tossing Hammer Throwing all hotly competitive and contested. Beer tents and hot dog vans. Wind and Rain Man theres nothing like it. Most of the visitors I met were from Europe, Germans, Dutch , French. They and the locals like it all and so did I in company with a work colleage who was a Dane. Our visit which lasted considerably more than 10 mins and we enjoyed it all Anybody spending only 10 mins Must be a right Wimp Why not go for a walk along the coast or go down to the harbour

Where is the Tourist board support at local events as this ??? .

Then of course there is the wind and rain to add to the spectacle.

Nothing like between there and Cape Horn.


25

william john,

ayr 12/01/2008 14:27:18
I forgot to mention the austere beauty of the place.
Sea Sky Land & Ships, Miles and miles from anywhere .
26

hud of sleat,

Yorkshire 12/01/2008 14:30:27
I think I have only been to John o Groats twice. And I can honestley say that 10 mins is far too long for nothing. Take a look at the other end Cornwall. Landse end has gone a bit ott but it fetches in the tourist and the stay a lot longer than 10mins. Now take a look at the Lizard Point, like John o Groats there's nought there, its more of a dead end than John o Groats, but they have made it more interesting, and poeple do stay there a lot longer than 10 mins. They have a couple of cafe. the RSPB has a place there. there's even a sovenir shop, walks, toilets, need I have to go on.And that's only for starters. Anybody who's been there will know what I mean and it's something to go on. If some one wants to bring the tourist to John o Groats, then they will have to look at The Lizard and other places for examples.
Good luck, anyway.
27

BrianHill,

Edinburgh 12/01/2008 15:11:22
This is very welcome news especially as Scotland is getting more worldwide publicity than at any time in history. We must spend money to attract more money.

And in Edinburgh we can begin by cleaning the Scott Monument and having it floodlit at night. The castle is fantastic these days, the Balmoral is also terrific even Calton Hill has some effective lighting. These are some of the things that tourists remember and lead them to telling friends and returning themselves.

So come on Edinburgh, let's get our act together, demand some money from the National Lottery or from BP or some other huge concern making a fortune out of Scotland. Bottom line:
Get that monument cleaned and floodlit. The current situation is unacceptable.
28

Sandra S,

Padua, Italy 12/01/2008 15:51:51
We visited John O'Groats last summer and liked it fine, a nicer café might have been a good thing.... but please, NO THEME PARK!
29

Hunky Dorey,

Glasgow 12/01/2008 15:56:27
#4..... Why don't you just stay in Argentina. We don't want you or your masonic lodge! Who said that John o Groats was a backward place? A place without a masonic lodge is what many people would call,a progressive place.
30

Bob McPherson-Roney,

North Carolina, USA 12/01/2008 16:23:10
John O'Groats is one of the few places I wish to visit in the British Isles. There should be a monument erected to it most famous visitor: the Naked Rambler, Steve Gough.
31

Upbeat,

12/01/2008 16:56:36
ref #33

"Anyway for a well run opportunity of this nature see the three point site of Germany Belgium and Netherlands , but it is by no means as remote."

And then go on from there over the hills nearby, for a few kilometers and look at Henri Chapelle cemetery...and reflect on the true price of Freedom of speech !

http://www.peachmountain.com/5star/American_Cemetery_Henri_Chapelle_Belgium.asp

But all of this is to miss the point. John O'Groats is a place on the map, and does not require a tourist infrastructure at all. If Vistit Scotland simply inspires Quality assessed infrastructure surrounding all the remarkable sights and sites in Scotland we will wreck the vital spark and essence of the place. That this place and many others still appear to vistors as it always has appeared is good. Scotland has a reputation as being : Wild ,windswept and at the end of the road up the country. Why spoil that ?

32

dundee8cologne1,

Broxburn 12/01/2008 17:02:58
Reminds me of a visit I made to Stonehenge. One of the great ancient structures of the world...behind me, one tourist commented 'Is that it?....'.

Presumably some of these people expect a theme park or Disney Shop/Starbucks in the middle of nowhere!



33

Moder8,

EDINBURGH 12/01/2008 17:04:29
The area is fine. It is a typical North of Scotland beach and should not be changed into something else like Lands End where one is charged to enter the area. If anyone wants to explore the area, get out and walk along the shore or along the edge of coast, even to the the most Northerly point of the Scottish mainland viz Dunnet Head.
The cafe is something of a disgrace in terms of service, quality and eating area. I suggest the owners should plough back some of their earnings from a captive market and develop their property. I'm sure this would pay for any investment in a relatively short term through increased turnover and satisfied customer recommendation.
34

Gordiedoonsooth,

Engerland 12/01/2008 17:11:20
What does anyone want shops and fast food and gimmicks at places like J O G or L E. Give us a break.
If you want that, go to Disneyland (any of them) etc. etc.
Doh!
35

Crewedaddy,

Not quite the most south-easterly part of Kent 12/01/2008 17:19:30
When you go to Land's End (not the furthest south, either - Lizard Point is) or John O'Groats surely what you wish to experience is the fact that there is nothing else! No more land - that's the furthest you can go on this island before getting wet. There is nothing to see except the scenery I hate this idea that everything has to be "themed" for idiots without imagination. What the hell is wrong with our society nowadays that they need everything served up on a plate for them. And Donald Trump should be thrown over the effing cliff if he ever turns up. Believe me, he doesn't care one iota about the location, just watch those $$$ flick around his eye sockets - that's all he's ever been interested in. The whole attraction is the desolation and bleakness, there are plenty of other places to see artificial attractions. I resent what they've done to Land's End. All it needed was a lick of paint and a decent cafe. It didn't even have a purpose like JOG does with the ferry. Tidy it up, make the hotel decent and there's your attraction.

36

Douglas Eckhart,

Edinburgh 12/01/2008 17:29:41
I enjoyed John o' Groats for the desolation and the windswept beaches of Duncansby Head. I liked the fact it was right on the edge.

Some people appreciate raw nature, others don't. If you don't then don't bother turning up.

I dont want it developed along the lines of Lands End.
I have visited Lands End and it is very tacky.... no thanks
37

Gdgy,

dndy 12/01/2008 17:48:54
John o'Groats was horrible and the locals could not care less.
But turning it into Lands End is not the answer Dunnet head and Duncansby Head were worth a visit!
38

Kilted Hulk,

Lacey 12/01/2008 18:30:06
Never having been there and reading the comments I would love to go, sounds great, will look it up and visit through the "tube", thanks and are there really "Games".
39

marmalade sandwich,

running a tourism business 12/01/2008 18:49:56
Land's End is a complete dump and best avoided. Scotland can learn lessons from the way that has gone, and we don't need or want that here.

John O Groats visitor centre is not too great, but there are some great walks around - Dunnet Head for instance is thrilling.

40

Hugh,

Edinburgh 12/01/2008 19:10:22
Land's End - John O'Groats are not the furthest North and South. They are roughly the furthest two points apart on the British Mainland.

Dunnet Head furthest North.
The Lizard - Furthest South.
Ardnamurchan Point - Furthest West.
Lowestoft Ness -Furthest East.

If you want a theme park, try Disneyland or Alton Towers.
41

HEN BROON 5,

ALBA GU BRATH 12/01/2008 19:11:05
Shocking, yet more Eth En Pee Bwoken Pwomises, Salmond will regret this, where's Trump.
42

Peter Rietvelt(Dutchmen),

Edinburgh 12/01/2008 19:36:15
I've been there and seen it. Ten years ago I've cycled in 17 deays from End to End with my wife. The picture took 10 seconds and then we cycled of to Wick.
What a disappointment it was. At the and of such an achievement you want to relax, a healthy meal, a drink and a good night sleep. How about a healthy SPA Hotel!.
43

girnie wifie, Okanagan, BC,

BC 12/01/2008 19:56:13
# 40 Crewedaddy.

Hear! Hear! You've said what I've been thinking and said it better than I could have. I went there in 1980 with my youngest son who was 12 at the time. We stood for more than 10 minutes just watching the ocean and the view. I'm not sure what the "Theme Park Brigade" expect at a place like that.
44

celtickat,

USA 12/01/2008 20:18:08
Funny how often people miss the beauty of a place. Maybe if they would visit a place to see what it is and not what they want it to be they would have a better chance of appreciating it. John O'Groats is sweet and lovely as far as I'm concerned. Whether I left from that point to go to The Orkneys the first time I was there or whether I stayed and wandered around the second time, I loved the place. There's a wonderful photographer with a store front there. I purchased a photo of a puffin from his wife. His name is Keith Parkes; email: highlandeye.com - I wish I'd purchased one of his Northern Lights photos as well. They were stunning! Guess I'll do it next time. Scotland's magnificence resides in it's landscapes, it's people and it's stories, not in looking like yet another tourist trap.
45

steve green,

preston 12/01/2008 21:28:13
Been to Land's End and hated it,way too commercial and just a theme park.
Been to John O' Groats many times, love it, the ambience, the cafe,(great bacon butties and a brew) the experience is what I refer to as 'soul food'.
Looking forward to my next 'fix'.
46

steve green,

preston 12/01/2008 21:31:50
P.S.
Who has nicked the sign post?
47

QE2,

John O Groats 12/01/2008 22:48:56
I wake up to these spectacular views everyday. Don't need disney on my doorstep, but a bit of investment wouldn't go amiss. Why not get the 60 minute makeover lot up? That should do it.

And there is the Witherspoons in Wick, but no more than 2 if youre bringing the bairns......
48

GalacticCannibal,

Murrieta 12/01/2008 23:14:37
They come, they look, they leave in 10 minutes
------------------------------------------

Change that Headline Dudes.

They came , they saw , and the left.

Unlike like Caesar.

GC
49

Nellie,

Liverpool 12/01/2008 23:45:40
On the trip to JOG, and the view of the island beyond .. seeing the sights of many deserted old crofts, sits there to remind us that it was not just in Bosnia that ethnic cleansing has taken place ...
50

TartanDave,

Kawerau upwalk from London 13/01/2008 06:01:18
Aw, what a lot o' ba' heids! John O'Groats is a magical name, and it denotes a place that must be visited at least once in a lifetime, and preferably as part of a marathon trek or two!
I'm looking forward to accomplishing a walk that has been in the planning since 12 February 2000, and it starts in London and is then along the eastern side of Britain to John O'Groats. Now that I've read this article and so many postings, it seems to me that we'll (at least 3 of us) have to camp overnight as close to that signpost as possible, and do as much researching there as possible. Thinking of the statements that the signpost is just a signpost - how many remember the M*A*S*H episode when the homesick 'campers' made their own signpost? Such a signpost is akin to a totem pole - magical!
But, hey, we're not stopping our walk there. No, we're then going down the west side of Britain to Land's End, where we'll be able to judge for ourselves the benfits of commercialisation compared to the 'starkness' of J O'G. And then eastward to finish back at London, a charity walk of over 4,000 kms and five months to raise funds for The British Heart Foundation and the Rett Syndrome Association (U.K.).
Anyone wanting to join us for part or all of that lovely adventure walk, or wanting to help us by way of a free meal or camp site for a night can contact me at davidpaterson.paterson@gmail.com.
We are a couple of older guys who have undergone heart bypass surgery, and a volunteer driver/caregiver. We're still looking for that driver! We hope to set out about 15 May 2008. Any takers?
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TartanDave,

Kawerau, New Zealand 13/01/2008 06:03:06
Aw, what a lot o' ba' heids! John O'Groats is a magical name, and it denotes a place that must be visited at least once in a lifetime, and preferably as part of a marathon trek or two!
I'm looking forward to accomplishing a walk that has been in the planning since 12 February 2000, and it starts in London and is then along the eastern side of Britain to John O'Groats. Now that I've read this article and so many postings, it seems to me that we'll (at least 3 of us) have to camp overnight as close to that signpost as possible, and do as much researching there as possible. Thinking of the statements that the signpost is just a signpost - how many remember the M*A*S*H episode when the homesick 'campers' made their own signpost? Such a signpost is akin to a totem pole - magical!
But, hey, we're not stopping our walk there. No, we're then going down the west side of Britain to Land's End, where we'll be able to judge for ourselves the benfits of commercialisation compared to the 'starkness' of J O'G. And then eastward to finish back at London, a charity walk of over 4,000 kms and five months to raise funds for The British Heart Foundation and the Rett Syndrome Association (U.K.).
Anyone wanting to join us for part or all of that lovely adventure walk, or wanting to help us by way of a free meal or camp site for a night can contact me at davidpaterson.paterson@gmail.com.
We are a couple of older guys who have undergone heart bypass surgery, and a volunteer driver/caregiver. We're still looking for that driver! We hope to set out about 15 May 2008. Any takers?
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Andrew D,

13/01/2008 10:32:47
Needs a MacDonalds. Welcome to John O'Groats, do you want fries with that?

Fantastic.
53

Andrew D,

13/01/2008 10:34:58
Serious comment now.

I've been there several times including with my Australian (then) girlfriend and er... beforehand with an American girlfriend (so I'm cosmopolitan) and every time, including with two foreigners the stay was at most 15-20 minutes.

There's not a lot to see and what there is is run down.

Yes, you are going just to say you've been there but at least not having tacky looking run down slapdash hovels would help.

Nothing but a cairn and a sign would be WAY preferable to the rubbishy stuff there is there now. Not saying that's the way to go, just that it's the truth as I see it.
54

Scotrodg,

Auchtermuchty 13/01/2008 18:18:54
I was at John o' Groats a couple of years ago and was disappointed to the point of being almost embarrassed!
The hotel was derelict, the "retail experience" was another centre for excellence in the art of the rip off which can be experienced all over Scotland and the car park was litter strewn with untidy surrounds. It's no wonder people only stay for ten minutes!
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Cathie Christie,

Arroyo Grande 13/01/2008 19:07:03
to #26, a thank you for the interesting web-site you gave us.
Visited many areas all around the British Isles on a Princess Cruise, 2 years ago...loved especially the day in Orkney...visited Skara Brae...
John O. Groats sounds like a good place for nature at it finest...wind in your hair, and great scenery. Suck a change from here in California.
Next time in Scotland
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TippyAndBibbi,

Edinburgh 13/01/2008 22:58:34
Agree with #5. I see no reason for disappointment -- surely there remains something oddly authentic in such places remaining nondescript and thus authentic; though tourism itself may be generally a modern concern, when we seek geographic limits we are not seeking for anything comfortable or contemporary, and to find such things would be at best a distraction. I'm put in mind of James Bruce's fantastic "Travels to discover the source of the Blue Nile." He found it - a latter day John O'Groats. And after his initial disappointment, he recognised it as such, and valued it for what sprung from such humble beginnings. That was in 1790 ...
57

Azmi,

Manila 14/01/2008 00:50:13
Been there once & would love to go back there.
but if they turn it into another circus... forget it!!
58

Numpty Heid,

14/01/2008 08:09:39
Why sould it have bloody fun fairs, shitty burger bars and rubbish everywhere? Every 'beauty spot' in the world is ruined by crappy corporate trash. Leave it alone!
59

Lynn Burlbaw,

College Station, TX 14/01/2008 13:59:22
I've been to both ends of Interstate 35 - a sign saying end of freeway and nothing grace the ends of the highway but I can say I've driven the whole freeway. I've been to lots of places because that is where they are, not expecting any glitz or amenities.

Never been to John O'Groats but would go if given the chance - lots of places are underwhelming once you get there other than the being there. Pike's Peak in Colorado is brown, rocky, windy, cold and short on air but you got there and the view can be spectacular.

Sometimes you do things just because they are - spare us the Disney-like money extraction projects.
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Richard Lionheart,

14/01/2008 15:14:31
“VISITSCOTLAND has a target to "grow" tourism by 50 per cent by 2015.”

Excuse me, but we are heading for the end of the planet due to people travelling all over the place. Where is this 50% growth to come from?

We want to close our airports, stop people cruising so no more P&O and we certainly do not want people travelling by car, coach or train! We don’t even want all these extra people breathing in our Country. This would play havoc with our Co2 reduction targets.

In any case, will John O’Groats not have disappeared under the rising tide by 2015 any way?

Furthermore, this article appears when the Scotsman has joined with the Scottish Government in a bid to stop Global Warming. Hmmmn.

 

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