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Published Date: 26 March 2008
FIRST Minister Alex Salmond today challenged opposition parties to come up with an alternative to independence that could be put to the public in a referendum.
The challenge came when he launched the latest stage of the Scottish Government's National Conversation on the country's constitutional future.

The SNP hopes to stage a referendum in 2010 on whether Scotland should become independent.

Mr Salmond today suggested the referendum having two other options, more powers for the Scottish Parliament or no change in the present set-up.

And he said that voting in that referendum could be carried out on a system of one-two-three preferences, as used in last year's local government elections.

This differs markedly from what was set out in a document launched last August when the National Conversation began.

That envisaged a simple yes or no answer to the question of independence, although Mr Salmond said at the time he was "relaxed" about other options being included.

A spokesman for Mr Salmond today denied the First Minister was breaking new ground by talking of a preferential voting system.

"In all the many years the SNP have talked out a constitutional multi-option referendum it has always been on the basis of a preferential voting system," said the spokesman.

The First Minister's challenge to rival parties came when he addressed a gathering in Edinburgh of civic groups from Scottish society, including churches, unions and universities.

Engaging "civic Scotland" in the debate on Scotland's constitutional future forms the second phase of the National Conversation which began last August.

A separate commission, chaired by former chief medical officer Sir Kenneth Calman, is reviewing the powers of the Scottish Parliament ten years on from devolution.

That commission has the backing of Labour, the Lib Dems and the Tories – and independence has been excluded from its deliberations.

Mr Salmond argued today there was now consensus that the present constitutional framework did not give Scotland the opportunities it needed to succeed.

"The question is therefore not whether we should have more powers in Edinburgh but what powers and within what timescale?" he said.
The First Minister said he was "relaxed" about the commission set-up by the other parties.

But he said: "I have already said that as First Minister that I am happy to test support for enhanced devolution, along with support for independence for Scotland.

"And I say to those who oppose the restoration of Scottish independence that just as I respect absolutely their right to hold that view, so in return I feel able to require of them a clear alternative which can be put onto a ballot paper and held up to public scrutiny and be available for a decision by the Scottish people.

"I say that not as a Nationalist but as a democrat."

Mr Salmond said that unlike the commission, the National Conversation was intended to be inclusive of other views.

He pledged to look seriously at whatever suggestions were made as part of the National Conversation – with one exception.

And that was that some powers of the Scottish Parliament could be passed back to Westminster, as suggested by Gordon Brown, as part of a new devolution arrangement.

Mr Salmond declared: "There is no popular mandate whatsoever for such a diminution of Holyrood – the will of the Scottish people is for the repatriation of more powers and responsibilities here in Scotland."

Today's event in Edinburgh took place before an audience of around 120 people from bodies ranging from churches to universities, trade unions and business groups.

Mr Salmond declared: "We are entitled to have different opinions about the best constitutional choice for our nation – but as First Minister I today ask simply that those who oppose an independent Scotland assume also the responsibility of constructive opposition.

"This debate is bigger than all of us and bigger than any party.
"It goes to the heart of who we are and who we want to be as a country – a debate so fundamental and so important that it demands that the people of Scotland make the final decision in a referendum."

He later fielded questions from the audience on topics ranging from nuclear weapons to the economy.

It was during these questions that he suggested the possibility of a preferential voting system for the referendum.

"People managed to get their heads around voting one-two-three in STV (the local government elections last year) so I think we want one-two-three in a three-option referendum," he said.

"I'm pretty confident people in Scotland can manage three choices on a ballot paper."

A business questioner told Mr Salmond the business community believes Scotland has the capability to become independent but questioned whether this was feasible or advisable.

"It's about facts and figures, not political rhetoric, that the business community is interested in," he said.

Mr Salmond pointed to Scotland's long-term growth rate of 1.8% compared to 2.5% for the UK and 3.5% in some other countries and declared: "In a nutshell that is the argument."

Mr Salmond argued nothing in Scotland's history gave cause to believe that the country was intrinsically an underperformer, and the answer must lie in the way Scotland's economy was governed as part of the UK.

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Andrew Ireland,

Blackrock 26/03/2008 16:46:29
Scottish Government trusts people to decide for themselves shock horror!

Its so scary a concept it is no wonder that the Unionists are scrambling for a fixed process that denies people a vote.
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Nikostratos,

26/03/2008 16:49:29
Well thats your Independence referendum gone already......Dead in the water i should say..But Alex likes it in Bute house and so is quiet happy to stay as First Minister with or without more powers for the Scottish Parliament.

"I say that not as a Nationalist but as a democrat." which means if most people vote against the Independence option.... As 'Nationalist' he'll be sorry but as a democrat he will take any political position he can to stay in power.
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Phil C,

26/03/2008 17:04:06
But according to Bendy Wendy and her crooked commission\rigged review, independence isn't even an option!!! So that's that then.
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brownlie,

glasgow 26/03/2008 17:09:10
"Quiet" is quite an inappropriate word to use regarding Alex Salmond "QUIET" is the Review/Commission's advice to voters who would like some input into their futile deliberations.
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Peterb74447,

26/03/2008 17:11:23
Total indipendance sounds great, but my concerns lie in the country's economy. Surely if total seperation were to happen, all BRITTISH millitary forces would have to pull out of Scotland and head Back to the United Kingdom. So how many civilian jobs would be lost with the closure of all millatry installations in Scotland? Can the smaller towns like Lossiemouth handle a job loss like that? And what of the Civil service, The job centres, Inland revenue, and all other UK government offices and agency based in Scotland, will they close down. It seems stupid to assume that the UK government will just hand over its Scottish based personell and assets to a forigen government!
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26/03/2008 17:13:00
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Nikostratos,

26/03/2008 17:14:56
#3


Whatever way you cut it up the snp have now moved away from a Referendum on Independence (after campaigning for over 80 years) To a multi option ballot.

They have been blown of course by the 'Unionist' commission. Some wiser Nationalists said this would happen if the snp were seduced by Governing from a devolved Parliament.
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Miss H,

26/03/2008 17:17:15
DaveK - sad stuff.

Peter - Scotland has paid for her proportionate share of those assets and will retain her proportionate share.

Niko - I have often wondered if you fully understand the concept of the sovereignty of the people. It is clear from your silly remarks that you don't. You are incapable of seeing beyond the individual level and you are incapable of seeing that individuals can be motivated by anything other than personal avarice. That says more about you than it does about those you criticise.
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Alan B,

26/03/2008 17:18:52
Atleast we have one democratic party in scotland that is willing to give the people the choice one way or the other.

How anyone could vote labour a party mired in corruption is beyond me.

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DaveK,

Edinburgh 26/03/2008 17:21:29
Yes but Salmond is promising the earth, only to jump from one union to an ever increasing Union with Europe - small country syndrome will be a reality in a Federal Europe, will the Fisherman, finance workers teahcers and Doctors and Military staff thank him when the money dries up long before the oil - nope! And besides they wont let him have his face on the euro, but he'd call for that too he is so in love with himself.
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Andrew Ireland,

Blackrock 26/03/2008 17:27:23
Dave K - keep taking the tablets - but even you get a vote in a multi-option referendum.

Niko on the other hand seems to have been disenfranchised by the unfortunate fact of living on a different planet...
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DaveK,

Edinburgh 26/03/2008 17:32:45
I have no need of tablets but my country will need a big shot in the arm and then a reality check with Salmond at the helm, unless of course you have those dillusion pills the nats keep taking.
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Resolutions,

26/03/2008 17:35:45
DaveK
There seem to be a lot of small countries in Europe pefectly happy to have their input into the system which is considerably more than Scotland enjoys now.

You seem to have a pretty high opinion of yourself and your beliefs. Pity that you cannot respect everyone else before you type your ill-informed tripe.
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DaveK,

Edinburgh 26/03/2008 17:40:20
So any opinion contrary to yours is tripe! Curious.
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Worried Scot,

26/03/2008 17:45:08
I'm a Unionist and I fully support a referendum - what's the problem? 3 options 1 choice by the people - who can argue against that? Bring it on I say.
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Jock "The Teuchtor" McGraw I ken were ane history,

26/03/2008 17:52:43
What a buffoon!

This is bait and switch and tactics, the man a complicit liar.

Bait people into agreeing to a referendum.

Then switch to a series of wording and questioning not on the cards when at baiting stage.

Here is an option for you! Do nothing!

Radical eh? Two legs good, four legs bad.

Does Alex Salmond have a referendum on whether to where pants and socks in the morning? Is there a viable alternative to underwear? Should we ask people every manky little detail of their lives every other day?

No.

Get some work done porky, the union stays.
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Media 1,

cape town 26/03/2008 17:54:13
Well done Mr Salmond, now you are speaking my language.
A referendum on independence is what we all want, so well done in that regard.

I want a yes or no referendum! Yes to independence, No to independence.
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Jock "The Teuchtor" McGraw I ken were ane history,

26/03/2008 17:56:31
Only 23% of Scots want independence.

I bet out of those 90% would vote.

Out of 77% I bet only 40% would vote.

That is the reason parties don't want a referendum.

Seperatist Nationalist = militant voter.

Ordinary decent UK citizen = got better things to do than be dragged to the polls every other day by some rebel group.
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Resolutions,

26/03/2008 17:59:20
DaveK
It would appear that Alex Salmond (who is not a cult)and his cabinet are making quite a good job of running the country and giving it confidence,as well as dealing with the 'Unionist initiatives' but your expression of your concerns, leaves a lot to be desired in the manners stake.
#18 Worried Scot I am glad that you would like to express your democratic concerns via a referendum. Perhaps you could persuade your Unionist friends to that way of thinking too. At the moment it appears that 'asking the people' is the last thing on their minds.
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Nikostratos,

26/03/2008 18:00:01
#8 Miss H

the sovereignty of the people. was given to the elected msp at holyrood (under the Westminster parliament within the current constitution)


The snp in their manifesto said
http://www.snp.org/policies
"we will trust Scots to take the decision on Scotland’s future in an independence
referendum. The choice will be yours. That is the fair and democratic way."

No mention their of a multi option ballot...

As for 'Avarice' I have accused no one of financial greed........Greed for power that is another question and I have no doubt the snp will settle for power in a devolved Government as easily as a Independent Government.


as for silly comments what is a life worth without silly comments..........

#16 Jackie Priest,

Yes after eighty years of campaigning for a independent Scotland the snp will now accept staying within the 'Union'

Brilliant strategy for achievement of their stated aim of an independent Scotland
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Jim P,

26/03/2008 18:03:57
As I have proposed before, the SNP should run a few candidates in marginal English constituencies in the next general election. This will give people south of the border, Scots and others, an opportunity to have their say on Independence.
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Jock "The Teuchtor" McGraw I ken were ane history,

26/03/2008 18:06:16
22

Empty vessels make the most noise and the squeekest wheels get oiled.

This is common and true. But not over political decision as important as the union.

The SNP are deluded. They will never get a referendum, never get independence. Why? Because people don't want one.

Why is it so hard for you to accept that?

The reason you have so much trouble in getting your referendum is because democracy and the will of the people hate your guts and don't want one.

Now why doesn't he do some work?

Instead he argues for a referendum on whether it should be a sausage or a bacon roll. He is happy at this stage just to get a referendum "in principle" on any old crap.

Bait and switch.

Get some real work done fatty/
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The Master,

26/03/2008 18:11:06
#16 Priest: everyone knows that Salmond’s backing a loser with the independence policy and, if a multi option referendum is ever heard, voter indifference will be such that any result will be rendered meaningless. You Nats really are stuck in your own little world if you imagine otherwise.
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New Town Resident,

26/03/2008 18:21:48
two points.

First its not possible to judge unless you know the answers to the EU position. No way would I want independence if it meant ditching the Pound and signing up to Schengen (i.e. border controls with England). In theory all new EU members have to sign up to both Schengen and the Euro, so its not really something you can duck, although of course the SNP does precisely that!

Second, while I'm relying on AM2 postings here, he says that polls show that while 23% want full independence, actually 11% still say they want Holyrood binned altogether. If we are going to be fair and include all the options, then how come this option is also not included as a fourth question?
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Highland Mighty,

26/03/2008 18:28:30
"Mr Salmond argued nothing in Scotland's history gave cause to believe that the country was intrinsically an underperformer, and the answer must lie in the way Scotland's economy was governed as part of the UK."

Seeing we have exactly the same economic, trade and employment policies in place throughout the entire UK, which in turn is Europe's strongest economy and favourite place among multinationals to do business, it is worrying that the SNP has conceded it has no idea how to improve on that, yet expects us to give him more power and responsibilities?
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Highland Mighty,

26/03/2008 18:29:43
30. 23% want independence yet 22% want things left as they are.

Where is the latter's option being catered for?
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dido-bendigo,

Argyll 26/03/2008 18:52:32
Here we go again! There is no box for 'Non Of These'! Such is the spin with the people of power! It reminds me of the old days of school when we returned from some stupid event only to be told to write an essay beginning with "I enjoyed my visit to the factory because" ! Alex the 1st is trying to steal the limelight from the French State visit because he knows that nuclear generated power-stations are going to be discussed. Will England, Wales and Northern Ireland rely on Scottish windpower? Not on your sweet Nelly!
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The Master,

26/03/2008 18:53:22
#29 Priest: well, that’s funny: I seem to recall there was a staunchly pro status quo administration in power for some time in the parliament and that Labour had a resoundingly large representation during those years. This may have failed to kill off nationalism, but similarly, there’s no way on Earth that you Nats will ever kill off unionism in Scotland. In any event, the parliament’s voting system was specifically designed to prevent your lot from ever achieving an outright majority, so you’ve been sold a pup if you think the parliament is a vehicle through which separation will one day be achieved.
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26/03/2008 18:56:50
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jimbob82,

Calgary 26/03/2008 18:58:36
Are the Scots people so insecure that they believe their economy is totally dependent on England and that the loss of military jobs and government jobs would be totally and utterly devastating. Is Scotland's education system inferior to England's. Are Scottish resources (oil, gas, coal, wind power, wave power, water resources) inferior to England's. We all know this is not the case. Does Scotland rely on the London Makerts for capitalization and funding, you better believe it. Thus, Scotland knows its weakness and this must be overcome. It can be overcome and will create jobs. Government jobs will be created. Unless I'm out of date, all cash collection etc is undertaken in Newcastle England. This would transfer to Scotland. Many jobs undertaken in England on behalf of Scotland will transfer. Oil and gas head offices, currently in London will have to transfer to Scotland. Opportunity KNOCKS, unless the Scottish trait of inferiority is too overwhelming.
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Nikostratos,

26/03/2008 19:02:26
#23

"But the pro-independence or more power for devolution votes will win. Either way, it will amount to independence "


So finally devolution = Independence jackie give it up for tonight have a go tomorrow you might be on the ball.

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A Scot in America,

New York USA 26/03/2008 19:15:34
Oppressed Scots came to America and freed themselves from a German king and an English Parliament over 200 years ago. Its long past due for Scotland to do the same. Hear Hear for Independence.
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Nikostratos,

26/03/2008 19:23:18
#44

do you know how many Oppressed Scots fought for the English( British) Against the Continental Army willingly 200 years ago............read your history
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26/03/2008 19:23:19
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Media 1,

cape town 26/03/2008 19:27:12
danielrober

I have been very critical of Salmond in the past. I see him as a freedom fighter, not a politician. I dont particulary like the SNP, they fill me with dread. I see in them the traits that most liberation movements possess, Zanu PF included. What is promised is freedom, we already have that. They agitate and fill the masses with national fervour using the most obvious and conscious issues to create the hysteria, which in Scotland's case is England.
But all that aside, I want a referendum on independence. That way I can say NO to independence and have my say, and so can everyone else. But whatever the outcome I will respect it, although I wonder if Salmond will do the same if the result is contrary to his agenda?
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26/03/2008 19:34:46
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Resolutions,

26/03/2008 19:34:56
#25
"Empty vessels make the most noise and the squeekest wheels get oiled."

How well you describe yourself! Well done!
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Nikostratos,

26/03/2008 19:38:47
#49

and the nail that stands out gets hammered....Japanese proverb
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Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 26/03/2008 19:42:55
From all the comments above I get the general impression that unionists are against the idea of asking the people what they think.

They appear to be quite content to be dictated to by the likes of Alexander, Goldie and Nicol. A Ragman band if ever there was one. The harmonies are just as bad as the singers, songwriters and groupies.
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boudica,

Glasgow 26/03/2008 19:43:29
I`ll say this Wee Eck as more front than Brighton Beach ...He wants a Referendum and he wants to use the same Dodgy System that threw out over 147.500 votes ...
...Everybody shouted about the Fiasco that was the Scottish Elections last year and now Wee Eck wants to use the same Dodgy system again ..Why ? Is their something Wee Eck aint telling us ? haha
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Jock Tamson,

Media1 watch 26/03/2008 19:44:34
Get a grip and try something innovative in the cloning department
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26/03/2008 19:47:13
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boudica,

26/03/2008 19:52:00
Media 1 ...Salmond already answered that question ..he was asked by a BBC reporter in the Run up to the Election ..What if there was a referendum and it was No too Independence what would you do ...We would just have referndums till we got the right answer ...in the same interview he came out with ..." We could rejoin the Union if it doesnt work out " ...Yep ...Thats Wee Eck who listens to the people of Scotland that is Himself the Wife and their deluded friends not to forget the Sheep ... as for The rest of us ...Nah !!! we dont sing from his hymn sheet so we will be ignored ...or So he thinks ...
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A Scot in America,

26/03/2008 19:52:07
Nikostratos

Divide and conquer has always been the English game in its relations with Scotland but the outcome of 1776 was different. Those Scots who fought with the Continental Army gained independence for their new country. Those who fought with the "British" army did not.......
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GalacticCannibal,

Murrieta, CA...bye Bush -Cheney..u. evil leaders. 26/03/2008 19:52:33
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Nikostratos,
26/03/2008

Dude, That Japanese proverb is for Japanese only .

Its old and outdated.

Here in the US

The nail that sticks out ;

Gets pulled out and replaced with a chem. coated, high tensile screw that will not corrode, in Ocean sea-salt spray..

Get a grip Dude
GC
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26/03/2008 19:57:24
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Nikostratos,

26/03/2008 19:58:01
#51 the subversive


"Thoughtcrime does not entail death: thoughtcrime is death."

From the 'Good Unionist Hand Book'

That has probably cost me my life
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Nikostratos,

26/03/2008 19:59:00
#57

Not in this mans army..........
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boudica,

Glasgow ... 26/03/2008 20:00:15
Media ....and what if they were ? people with big bellies and big derieres cant have opions ?....talking about Ar$es ...and the fact that you talk out of yours with such Panache....
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26/03/2008 20:03:06
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Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 26/03/2008 20:08:38
Hey Gal, 57

Read your earlier online utterings about people who live in foreign lands deserting their country of birth. Is that why only 10% of Americans have passports and the rest are totally dependent on TV stations for an outside look at the world unless they join the military?

You got a passport, dud?

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boudica,

Glasgow 26/03/2008 20:09:19
Media 1 ... Thats right blame the poor threadworms ...dont you think they have enough probs being were they are ......
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Media 1,

cape town 26/03/2008 20:09:41
Boudicia

Please refrain from using my name media. And use my fans name med!a.
You must understand, I am hot property on this forum, people want to be me. This is not the first time it has happened, I have a large following of fanatical fans.
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26/03/2008 20:12:31
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26/03/2008 20:21:03
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Media 1,

26/03/2008 20:22:25
danielrober

Yeah Braveheart is a good film. There is not one ounce of truth in the movie, but its a good ficticious movie!

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GalacticCannibal,

Murrieta, CA........Hillary for Pres....Barack Hus 26/03/2008 20:23:36
Dudes,

Ur leader Alex .S, is at it again . But a little more squirmy this time around, don't U think.!!

His emotional rhetoric will be no match, for the reality of an independent Scotland. Its all a dream, a pipe dream, that could turn into a nightmare for all Scots.

Still there is always the beggars bowl, and possible pocket change, from the ex mother country England, or the EU Bureaucratic controllers.

Unless or Until 3/4 of the Scots, want and vote, for independence from the mother country . It will remain a pipe dream.

Right now 32% of the Scots vote for SNP and SNPs fanatical quest for independence.

In the new global economy ..BIGGER is BETTER,...BIGGER is SAFER,....BIGGER has CLOUT.

Examples
China vs Tibet..Ti = poverty
England vs Scotland ..Sc = beggars bowl
EU vs England...En = isolation
US vs Iraq...Ir = tribal killing

Ch = massive economy
EU = massive economy
US = massive economy.

Now if SNP were to get independence, the example would be ;
Scotland vs Tibet..Sc + Ti = poverty /beggars bow!!!!.

So long as the SNP keep dreaming, the rest of the Scots 68% , will do just fine.

Relax dudes and chill out

GC
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boudica,

Glasgow 26/03/2008 20:25:30
Jock so what if only 10% of Americans want to travel ...maybe they prefer to see their own country first its a big country ..plenty to see and lets face it so do millions of people all around the World would jump at the chance to live there..people can shout about the USA but no matter what ..if they had the chance to live there they would do so in a heartbeat ...me I prefer the United Kingdom .....
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Media 1,

cape town 26/03/2008 20:26:58
#70 Galacticannibal

Agree completely!
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Dr Cloth,

Edinburgh 26/03/2008 20:27:18
#13 Andrew Ireland

Why must every Unionist be "on tablets" or "living on another planet"? There are rather a large number of sane, hard working Scots who would rather remain in the union than gamble on Mr Salmond's vision of a land of milk and honey and (incredible though it may seem) they have as much right to comment on the future of their country as the nationalists.....

The whole movement seems to me to be based on nothing but 'small man syndrome'. No-one has ever given me a good argument for independence. We are a small but proud nation who benefit from a very successful union with England (and Wales and NI - oddly these nations often seem to be ignored during discussion of the topic. Surely that couldn't be because the whole argument is based on a childish hatred of the English, could it?!) I simply don't see the need for it - things are going along just fine thanks.

Another interesting question is who will pay for all the wonderful things that Mr Salmond is offering us? That £100,000 to change the sign on the Scottish Executive building at Victoria Quay to "Scottish Government" was definately money well spent. I'll happily pay more money each month for that sort of progressive move...

Finally, for all I disagree with Mr Salmond's politics, he is a clever man. Surely a multi-option referendum would serve to split the unionist vote, while the nationalists would all vote for option one.... I worry about the results
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26/03/2008 20:27:25
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26/03/2008 20:31:32
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Nikostratos,

26/03/2008 20:32:00
#70

AMERICA................the 50 stone nation
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Media 1,

cape town 26/03/2008 20:32:43
Dr Cloth

Your post is an inspiration! Well put.
You are 100% correct in all that you say.
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FS,

Stirling 26/03/2008 20:33:52
Let's hope it goes through, always nice to actually have a say in politics - between the four year wait that is. Surely opponents and supporters of indepedence can be "united" in agreeing that the people's say on this issue is long overdue (300 years I make it).
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Nikostratos,

26/03/2008 20:34:18
My brother sat on the fire guard and farted..whoosh one big flame..... nearly died laughing
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GalacticCannibal.,

Murrieta, CA........Hillary for Pres....Barack Hus 26/03/2008 20:39:13
Hello, my name is ______. I’m taking American Accent Training. There’s a lot to learn, but I hope to make it as enjoyable as possible. I should pick up on the American intonation pattern pretty easily, although the only way to get it is to practice all of the time.

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Truely English,

26/03/2008 20:40:04
I fail to understand the problem with holding a referendum as the Scots that I meet would not want to break away from England, Wales or Northern Ireland. After all, we are all British and have been for many centuries sharing the same values aspirations culture and way of life.
It is unimaginable to see Scotland being torn out of the Union and away from the rest of Britain. What a thought.
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GalacticCannibal.,

Murrieta, CA........Hillary for Pres....Barack Hus 26/03/2008 20:41:12
Betty bought a bit of better butter.

Beddy bada bida bedder budder. The boot in the car
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GalacticCannibal.,

Murrieta, CA........Hillary for Pres....Barack Hus 26/03/2008 20:42:39
Remember the sentence you imitated at the beginning of the analysis? Let’s try it again. Try to sound as much like me as you did the first time
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GalacticCannibal,

Murrieta, CA........Hillary for Pres....Barack Hus 26/03/2008 20:43:30
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Jock Tamson,
Scotland, Caledonia,
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Yep Dude . I sure have a passport . And has nothing to do with the US military, dude.

Hey Dude when an American drives from San Diego California, to Montpelier in Vermont,

It would be a longer drive, than if U drove from London to Cairo in Egypt .

Enough said Dude.

Chill and relax

GC
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GalacticCannibal.,

Murrieta, CA........Hillary for Pres....Barack Hus 26/03/2008 20:43:37
You’ve now completed the American Accent Training diagnostic analysis. Your results will be sent to you in a comprehensive report by email.

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GalacticCannibal.,

Murrieta, CA........Hillary for Pres....Barack Hus 26/03/2008 20:45:21
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Jock Tamson,
Scotland, Caledonia,
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Yep Dude . I sure have a passport . And has nothing to do with the US military, dude.

Hey Dude when an American drives from San Diego California, to Montpelier in Vermont,

It would be a longer drive, than if U drove from London to Cairo in Egypt .

Enough said Dude.

Chill and relax

GC

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GalacticCannibal,

Murrieta, CA....captured from Mexico 1845 26/03/2008 20:50:42
Attention Moderator

If u check the IPA
#'s 75 ,08, 82, 83 U will find they were not posted by me ..

GC

Still its funny that an unknown poster, likes to ape me GC.

Chill dude.

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GalacticCannibal.,

Murrieta, CA....captured from Mexico 26/03/2008 20:52:14
Attention Moderator

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Nikostratos,

26/03/2008 20:52:23
G C

is this your army

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GalacticCannibal,

Murrieta, CA........captured from Mexico 1845 26/03/2008 20:54:37
#90 contd:

Moderator

The poster of #'s 85, 86, 88 were not posted by me

GC
84

democracy,

Scottish Borders 26/03/2008 20:55:47
The uneducated 'Jock the "wBanker" tattie shaw MacGraw, a dinnae ken whit am taukin aboot'.

Before May 2007, it was the accepted view that the SNP would never win an election.

They won.

It was the accepted view that they would never survive as a minority government.

They did.

It was the accepted view that they would never get their budget through Parliament.

The SNP budget was passed.


Now the accepted view is that they will never achieve their pledge of having a referendum.

Wait and see, all you stupid little Unionists, as you obviously learn nothing from history, even when it jumps up and bites you on the nose you STILL cant see!!! and I LUV it!!
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GalacticCannibal.,

Murrieta, CA....captured from Mexico 26/03/2008 20:57:21
93
hope that peice of shi t gets killed by a road side bomb!!!!!!! you got to be fucke d in the head to do somthing like this! just no respected for anything!!! whats wrong with people now days......?
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GalacticCannibal,

Murrieta, CA....Bye Bye Bush -Cheney..u. evil lead 26/03/2008 20:57:24
93
Nikostratos,
2

NO dude ..not mine

GC
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walter,

26/03/2008 20:59:02
This debate is bigger than all of us and bigger than any party.
"It goes to the heart of who we are and who we want to be as a country – a debate so fundamental and so important that it demands that the people of Scotland make the final decision in a referendum."

But will it be the final decision, if the majority of the votes cast do not support independence will that be the end of the SNPs campaign for independence, I think not they will continue to push for independence in the future.

Mr Salmond pointed to Scotland's long-term growth rate of 1.8% compared to 2.5% for the UK

The growth rate for Scotland, England, Wales and N.Ireland is 2.5% but for Scotland it is 1.8%.
What is it for Wales, N.Ireland and England is their growth rate the same as the UK as a whole or is it more/less.


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GalacticCannibal.,

Murrieta, CA....Bye Bye Bush -Cheney..u. evil lead 26/03/2008 20:59:07
93
Nikostratos,
2

yes dude ..its mine

GC
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GalacticCannibal,

Murrieta, CA...bye Bush -Cheney..u. evil leaders. 26/03/2008 20:59:22
#97

Was not posted by me .. but I agree with its comment

GC
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Nikostratos,

26/03/2008 20:59:56
#98


G C i agree...........
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GalacticCannibal.,

Murrieta, CA....Bye Bye Bush -Cheney..u. evil lead 26/03/2008 21:00:44
#90 contd:

Moderator

The poster of #'s 85, 86, 88 were not posted by me

GC

HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA
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GalacticCannibal.,

Murrieta, CA....Bye Bye Bush -Cheney..u. evil lead 26/03/2008 21:03:05
John McCain is determined to carry out four more years of George Bush's failed policies, including an open-ended war in Iraq that has cost us thousands of lives and billions of dollars while making us less safe. Barack Obama will change our foreign policy and renew America's leadership by responsibly ending the war in Iraq, finishing the fight in Afghanistan, and focusing on the 21st century challenges that conventional Washington has ignored for too long - al Qaeda's core leadership and nuclear proliferation, poverty and genocide, climate change and disease.

93

GalacticCannibal.,

www.barackobama.com/blog 26/03/2008 21:04:43
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About me:
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GalacticCannibal.,

VOTE OBAMA 26/03/2008 21:07:15
Senator Clinton has voted to send tens of billions of dollars unconditionally to Baghdad to prop up that regime, apparently unconcerned about the well-documented reports of death squads being run from the Interior Ministry that have killed many thousands of unarmed Sunni men.

In Senator Clinton's world view, if a country is considered an important strategic ally of the United States, any charges of human rights abuses – no matter how strong the evidence – must be summarily dismissed. Indeed, despite the Israeli government's widespread and well-documented violations of international humanitarian law, Senator Clinton has praised Israel for its "values that respect the dignity and rights of human beings."

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GalacticCannibal.,

VOTE OBAMA 26/03/2008 21:08:42
LA TIMES - To fuel her rise, Clinton has relied on the controversial funding device known as "earmarking." The earmarks enabled her to win favor with important constituents, many of whom provided financial support for her campaigns. . . Since taking office in 2001, Clinton has delivered $500 million worth of earmarks that have specifically benefited 59 corporations. About 64% of those corporations provided funds to her campaigns through donations made by employees, executives, board members or lobbyists, a review by the Los Angeles Times shows
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GalacticCannibal.,

VOTE OBAMA 26/03/2008 21:10:06
IN 2007, A Pakistani immigrant who hosted fundraisers for Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton became a target of the FBI allegations that he funneled illegal contributions to Clinton's political action committee and to Sen. Barbara Boxer's 2004 re-election campaign. Authorities say Northridge, Calif., businessman Abdul Rehman Jinnah, 56, fled the country shortly after being indicted on charges of engineering more than $50,000 in illegal donations to the Democratic committees
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GalacticCannibal.,

VOTE OBAMA 26/03/2008 21:12:40
Now GalacticCannibal (who claims to be from the USA) can post crap about Scottish politics so to even the scores up i have now taken a great interest in the politics of the USA.

Under Clinton America will be for ever under a cloud of sleaze
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GalacticCannibal.,

CLINTON = SLEAZE 26/03/2008 21:14:07
Clinton's proficiency in this innermost sanctum has unnerved some of the capital's most exalted religious conservatives. "You're not talking about some tree-hugging, Jesus-is-my-Buddha sort of stuff," says David Kuo, a former Bush official in the Office of Faith-Based and Community Initiatives, who worked with Clinton to promote joint legislation and who, like Brownback, has apologized to her for past misdeeds. "These are powerful evangelicals she's meeting with
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Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 26/03/2008 21:15:19
Chill, Gal lactic, chill and drink your milk. How much more shroom do you need? You think driving 2000 miles through homogenised territory is travel?

boudica. I've been to America. Plenty of space between the ears.
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GalacticCannibal.,

VOTE FOR OBAMA 26/03/2008 21:16:36
Barack Obama raised a record-breaking $32 million (£16 million) last month as a new national poll showed him pulling within six points of Hillary Clinton before the 22-state Super Tuesday contests next week.

David Plouffe, Mr Obama’s campaign manager, said that the Illinois senator had attracted 170,000 new donors since the New Year, allowing him not only to advertise in 20 of the Super Tuesday states but, with the Democratic race expected to drag on, also in Louisiana, Maine and Virginia, which vote after February 5.

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Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 26/03/2008 21:27:55
GalacticCannibal and GalacticCannibal.

Hey Dudes,

Ha ha fecking ha. So you can clone. Wow!

Would we not rather see the original make a wally of himself without the clone making a wally of himself as well?

It was done before you know and is no longer original.

Now about this referendum?
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Jock Tamson,

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walter,

26/03/2008 21:41:45
This multi choice question is not what I would say is the way to go.
There should be two voting slips or one slip split in two.
The main question should ask,
1. Should Scotland become an independent state.
2. Should Scotland remain with in the UK.
People can then tick the box next to whatever their choice is.
Then the secondly question should ask if Scotland is to remain in the UK framework in what form should that take, more power, less power, status quo or hand power back to Westminster.
That way those who wish to remain in the UK will have a say in what form devolution take and those who wish independence (if it goes against them) will still have a say in which form devolution takes.
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obeone,

26/03/2008 21:54:40
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So Salmond wants to bore the pants off us all for the next 2 years taking rubbish, stirring things up and wasting everyones time when he could be doing something useful. :(
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Dr Cloth,

Edinburgh 26/03/2008 21:55:25
#104 Jackie,

I appreciate that most other countries are independent but I'm not sure I see your poing. Are you implying that living conditions are better in every other country? I can think of a number of examples, particularly in Africa and Asia but also in Europe where this is not the case. Surely the large number of European migrants flooding to Scotland (and the rest of Britain) would suggest this is actually rather a good place to live as things stand.

Furthermore, there is absolutely no reason to assume that things will improve with independence - the most likely result so far as I can see would be the exact opposite. We would undoubtedly suffer from a major public funding shortfall. We receive more public money per head than the rest of the UK and substantially more than we actually raise. Where would this money be found? North Sea oil is not a consideration (as things stand we receive a substancial amount of that money anyway and why on earth would the UK government just hand Scotland the rights to this oil?!). We have to realise that if we cut ourselves out of the union we will have to take the consequences, this means raising substancial amounts of money through further taxation...

Also, we do not "depend on others for pocket money allowances to live our lives." We, as a nation, are actually very heavily represented at Westminster

I repeat that I am a proud Scot (and Brit) but I would not gamble my standard of living or that of my family on some romantic notion which belongs in the Victorian era
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Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 26/03/2008 22:21:49
Dr Cloth, Edinburgh@120.

The romantic notion of the Victorian era was that everyone should be beholden to mother England.

Can you not come to terms with the fact that it is you who still lives there?
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OscarMacApfel,

Dumfries 26/03/2008 22:22:02
#120 Dr Cloth, you appear to be touching cloth.
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The Strategist,

26/03/2008 22:35:41
#120 Dr Cloth

Your standard of living is already under real threat. Do you not read the papers or watch the news? Have you not heard about problems arising from the so called credit crunch which in turn was caused primarily by the Govt's laissez faire attitude to the financial services sector?

Read the report on the FSA's handling of the Northern Rock saga. It's horrifying.





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Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 26/03/2008 22:44:13
122, Oscar

Think you'll have to explain that one to the Doctor.
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Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 26/03/2008 22:48:13
By the way, Oscar, nearly had the t-shirt once in that respect. The office was on the other side of the dam at Dalwhinnie when I got caught short. 500 metres of a waddle, sweating.
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monkey man,

26/03/2008 23:09:29
Only an idiot recognises the joke that is Holyrood as a legitimate "Parliament." The fat fraud and failed Westminster politician Salmond is also fond of his referendums /i when it suits, but not one that the nation really wants on the abolition of our sectarian apartheid schooling system. Why so silent on this, Alex.?

Salmond = the David Icke of British politics. Yes, little comical Brigadoon Bravehearts, BRITISH politics.
112

Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 26/03/2008 23:15:21
Night, night, monkey man. I'm off to my bed.

How's your tree?

The earth has cooled, you know.
113

connaughtboy,

stonehaven 26/03/2008 23:15:59
Watching Salmond on Newsnight Scotland a few minutes ago made me realise how bad it is for the opposition parties. Even Gordon Brewer seemed convinced.
114

Highland Mighty,

26/03/2008 23:20:00
128. A fat bloke repeatedly scoffing arrogantly at anyone who disagrees with him is not really that impressive to a non-devotee!
115

Senga Jean,

Scotland 26/03/2008 23:26:21
The SNP is being VERY democratic and have included the matters which concerned the Unionists the day before. The SNP however respect the Scottish people and do not patronise them and therefore include an option the opposition were getting "het" up about. The three question poll is not ideal since I would prefer a straight Independence question but the SNP are being very considerate to the Unionist Opposition.
116

DaveK,

Edinburgh 26/03/2008 23:31:10
Will the SNP disband when they lose the referendum? In fact why wait until then?
117

DaveK,

Edinburgh 26/03/2008 23:35:59
#128 Agreed
#129 peeved?
118

Conan the Librarian™,

Unimpressed 26/03/2008 23:37:40
129
Are you fat, High and Mighty?
119

Highland Mighty,

26/03/2008 23:43:41
130. Independence is a dead duck. it has ceased to exist. There is almost complete apathy from everyone about it.

99.5% of people have not bothered to download the White Paper.

99.999% of people have not posted anything on the National Conversation.

The SIC's much-publicised worldwide petition has only attracted 395 signatures. So 99.999%+ have not bothered with that either.

Two long-running petitions on the No.10 website have only scraped 32 signatures between them. (A petition to elect Jeremy Clarkson as PM has 42,000 signatures which just highlights the almost complete lack of interest in your 'cause'.)

Support for independence is down to 23% despite many long months of Salmond and co trying to make us resent the UK.

Support for the UK is up to 76% despite many long months of Salmond and co trying to make us resent the UK.

See any pattern there?
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Conan the Librarian™,

26/03/2008 23:51:08
135
AM2 used to keep repeating almost meaningless stats for hours and hours and hours Ad Nauseam.
But he was reasonably polite about it.
You, on the other hand, post agressively from the start, then mock and abuse posters who disagree with you.
Are you Hyde to his Jekyll?
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26/03/2008 23:52:13
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Highland Mighty,

26/03/2008 23:55:02
http://www.gopetition.com/petitions/let-scotland-decide.html
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OscarMacApfel,

Dumfries 26/03/2008 23:57:09
#135 I do declare, the feller is pi-bolar, Conan.
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Highland Mighty,

26/03/2008 23:58:24
136. "meaningless stats"? LOL

138. Oh look, it's up to a whopping great 406 signatures now! What % of 5m is that (not that only Scots have signed it)?
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Highland Mighty,

27/03/2008 00:00:36
And yet again, our nation's most deluded actually think their insults discourage me.

Such a waste of eggs.
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Conan the Librarian™,

27/03/2008 00:05:25
139
Evening Oscar, remember the meaningful stats that AM2 "proved" that there would never, ever, be a Scottish Government?
After digging themselves out of pieces of the Unionist sky, AM2 and HM(3?) now start on the idea that there will never, ever be Scottish Indpendence...
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OscarMacApfel,

Dumfries 27/03/2008 00:07:01
#141 Yes, AM2, such a pity your mothers didn't remain unfertilised.
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27/03/2008 00:08:36
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Conan the Librarian™,

27/03/2008 00:09:34
141
I know another Unionist who claims he has a brass neck.
Were you never chosen at sports first as a child?
Highland "Mighty"?
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Highland Mighty,

27/03/2008 00:10:00
143. Ah, you can do better than that, HEN BROON.

144. Just where are these polls?
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OscarMacApfel,

Dumfries 27/03/2008 00:10:02
#12 What ho Conan, yes I remember those woeful page after page of fantasy stats that HM3 used to post. I was so bored glancing at them that at one point I swapped my willly for a penknife and gouged my eyes out to avoid reading them.
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OscarMacApfel,

Dumfries 27/03/2008 00:12:11
Ha ha Hen Broon, I've got Joe's physique, the bairns curls, Daphnes jawline and Maggies boobage. I presume you have Gordon's mouth breathing problem with a smattering of Asbergers?
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Highland Mighty,

27/03/2008 00:12:41
145. Have you got a stutter? Look at the petition.
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Conan the Librarian™,

27/03/2008 00:16:36
148
Careful Oscar.You will get Imaginary boots complaining about us again.
He thinks Niko is a Nat LOL.
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Conan the Librarian™,

27/03/2008 00:20:02
149
I've got Granpaw's beard and Paw's virility.
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WeThePeople,

Glenrothes 27/03/2008 21:27:08
#23 Nikostratos

'the sovereignty of the people was given to the elected msp of holyrood (under the Westminster parliament within the current constitution)'

That is ABSOLUTE NONSENSE.

ADVICE: Make sure that you know for certain what you're writing about before you rush into print.

#117 Jock Tamson

'Now about this referendum?'

- 'greater power can only be granted to Scotland by the UK Parliament and here there is potential for conflict. To take the extreme example, constitutional matters are reserved but it is hard to see how the Scottish Parliament could be prevented from holding a referendum on independence should it be determined to do so. If the Scottish people expressed a desire for independence the stage would be set for a direct clash between what is the English doctrine of sovereignty and the Scottish doctrine of the sovereignty of the people.'

- 'The Operation of Multi-Layer Democracy', Scottish Affairs Committee Second Report of Session 1997-1998, HC 460-I, 2 December 1998, para. 27.

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Brian Hill,

Edinburgh 29/03/2008 22:58:30
Prime Mister Salmond has vision. Prime Minister Salmond is offering a level of hope which has never been seen before in modern Scotland. Prime Minister Salmond is already delivering the goods.

Brown could deliver an unscripted speech in his underpants, swinging from a chandelier by his toenails and it wouldn't dent the growing optimism and confidence which will lead inevitably to a YES for Independence Referendum vote.
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clan_mackay,

scotland 14/06/2008 20:40:42
It's Scotland's Oil
Westminster has variously claimed over recent years that only about 30% of oil resources in the North Sea would actually belong to Scotland. This is based on an assumption that the Scotland/England border would continue out to sea in a north-north-easterly direction. This is typical propaganda and complete nonsense.

In fact, Westminster already recognises that the North Sea north of the 55th parallel falls under Scottish jurisdiction, and international convention decrees that this would be the dividing line. Some 90% of the UK's oil and gas reserves lie within Scottish waters, and this percentage is set to rise as new fields to the west of the Shetland Isles and into the Atlantic are explored.

Since 1975 some £120bn ($180bn) of Scottish oil revenue has flowed to the London Treasury. Meanwhile some 30% of Scots live in cold damp housing, below the official European Union poverty line. It is a disgrace. Scotland is the most energy rich country in Europe, yet is probably the only country to discover oil and get poorer.
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clan_mackay,

scotland 14/06/2008 20:42:09
London are Subsidy Junkies
There is a myth, started in the London media, and perpetuated by both Conservative and Labour Party apologists, that Scotland is heavily subsidised by England. The general basis for this accusation is on Treasury produced statistics of "identifiable Government Expenditure".

On 8th Oct 95, co-incidentally the day before the Conservative Party Conference started, the Scottish Office released figures for 1993/94, claiming that Scotland ran a budget deficit of some £8.1bn ($12.2bn) in that year.

There are several flaws in the figures produced in both cases.
1. Can we trust the Government to produce impartial statistics that do not serve it's own political ends ? (The Conservatives are totally against the principle of Scottish self-determination). Bear in mind how many times unemployment figures have been manipulated for political reasons. Why should this be different ?
2. If the economy is as poor as the Scottish Office would suggest, who is to blame ? Surely this is the result of 16 years of Conservative mismanagement in Scotland ?
3. The figures ignore the fact that for the UK as a whole, the budget deficit for 93/94 was £53.5bn ($80.2bn), Scotland's pro rata share would therefore be approx £5.3bn ($8bn).
4. The figures ignore oil and gas revenue (why?), which by Treasury accounts amount to £1.2bn ($1.8bn) in 93/94, and £2.2bn ($3.3bn) in the current year. In fact Scots oil revenues have contributed some £120bn ($180bn) to the London Treasury since 1975.
5. The figures ignore Scotch whisky duty (currently 66% of the price of a bottle) which for 94/95 raises some £2bn ($3bn) in the UK.
6. The figures ignore higher public spending in Scotland. This is mainly as a result of poorer health, greater poverty and more widespread rural communities, leading to inevitably higher costs.
7. The figures ignore substantially greater defence expenditure in the South-East of England, cost of Foreign Office expenditures, London weighting
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clan_mackay,

scotland 14/06/2008 20:44:25
Part 2

allowances and public subsidies to Canary Wharf and the Docklands area in London.
8. The figures ignore the disproportionate amount of Mortgage Interest Tax Relief paid to a much greater percentage of homeowners in the South-East.
9. The figures ignore that Scots pay proportionately more in VAT for domestic fuel (the average bill in Aberdeen is 40% higher than the equivalent in Bristol, consequently VAT paid is 40% higher).
10. The figures ignore that a Scots resident, employed by a company registered in London will have his income tax considered as if it was being paid in England.

In fact, the Scottish Office figures show that while Scotland has 8.9% of the UK population, she contributes 9.3% of the income tax !! Scotland is actually subsidising London to the tune of at least £10 per week !!

Taking all these factors into account we find that far from running a headline deficit of £8.1bn ($12.2bn) as claimed by the Scottish Office, relative to the UK, Scotland is actually some £200m ($300m) in surplus. Who really subsidises who ?

Looking at other similar small European nations, Norway and Denmark have budget deficits (1993) of around £7bn ($10.5bn) and trade surpluses of around £4.7bn ($7bn). Contrast this with the UK's trade deficit (1991) of £33.5bn ($50.2bn).
NOW WHO NEEDS WHO ??????

 

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