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Published Date: 24 December 2007
ALEX Salmond has made it clear he wants to fight the British Museum for the return of one of Scotland's greatest artefact collections – the Lewis Chessmen.
The First Minister told Gaelic campaigners it was "unacceptable" that 82 of the 13th century figurines were not in Scotland and he vowed to campaign for their return.

Mr Salmond has not been slow to make demands of the UK government since he took power in May, but this is the first time he has chosen to make an issue of Scottish heritage and challenged the British Museum rather than Westminster.

The chessmen were found on a beach near Uig on the Isle of Lewis in the early 19th century.

Historians believe that they were probably made in Norway around 1200 AD and were originally bound for Ireland.

But, having spent most of their existence buried in Scotland, campaigners argue they should be returned here.

The pieces are beautifully carved figures of seated chessmen. The kings and queens have distinct features, the bishops have mitres on their heads and the knights are mounted on horses.

Of the 93 original pieces, ten remain in Scotland while the rest have been donated to the British Museum, where they remain.

Another piece has since been added to the Scottish collection, which is on display at the Royal Museum in Edinburgh.

Mr Salmond told Gaelic campaigners last week: "I find it unacceptable that the Lewis Chessmen are scattered around Britain and I will continue campaigning for a united set of Lewis Chessmen in an independent Scotland."

Yesterday, a source close to Mr Salmond said that the First Minister would step up the campaign for the return of the Lewis Chessmen soon after New Year.

The source added: "We are working on a series of options. We think this is an important matter, because they should be back where they belong and they could be a boost for the Western Isles economy."

Mr Salmond's plan was backed by Alex MacDonald, convener of Western Isles Council, who said: "It is very significant for us that the First Minister believes that the chessmen should be returned to the islands.

"My preference would be for some to be in Edinburgh, some in Stornoway and some in Uig, where they were originally found."

No-one at the British Museum was available for comment, but the response from the government in London was not positive.

A spokesman for the Department of Media, Culture and Sport, said: "By act of parliament, the British Museum is forbidden from disposing of any of its assets and to change that would require primary legislation. We have no plans to do that."

LONG HISTORY OF CONTROVERSY

THE Lewis Chessmen are not the only artefacts housed in the British Museum which are the subject of dispute.

The most controversial pieces held by the British Museum are the Elgin Marbles.

The sculptures originally decorated the outside of the Parthenon in Athens. They were brought to Britain by the Earl of Elgin in the early 19th century, a move which, he claimed, probably saved the sculptures from being destroyed.

Successive Greek governments have argued for the return of the Elgin Marbles, but the British Museum has never relented.

However, there have been some successful repatriations. The Lakota Sioux Ghost Shirt, believed to have been worn by a Sioux warrior, used to reside in the Kelvingrove Museum in Glasgow, after being given to the city in the 19th century. It was handed back to the Lakota Sioux tribe of Native Americans after they requested its return.

Another artefact, a statue of Aphrodite, believed to date from the 5th century BC, was bought for $18 million (£9.07 million) by the Getty Museum in Los Angeles.

The Italian authorities claimed it had been looted from Sicily and it is now due be returned.

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  • Last Updated: 23 December 2007 10:13 PM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Scottish National Party
 
1

Boy Wonder,

24/12/2007 00:26:48
The Lewis Chessmen belong to Scotland. The Parthenon Marbles belong in Greece. The British Museum has no right to hang on to them, unless it declares possession being 9/10ths of the law. Yeah ... well, let's argue that in an International Court since you can't trust the "British Courts".

If the BM wants copies, I have no problem with that. But the originals belong where they were found.


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Plodjfriss, Hammer of the Numpties,

Edinburgh 24/12/2007 00:47:17
Tricky. My understanding is that the chessmen were originally sold on the open market by the owner of the land on which they were found, who automatically became the owner of the chessmen according to the law current at the time. Thus there's no doubt about the legality of the BM's possession of the pieces, so the only hope of them being returned to Scotland would be if the BM decided to perform a sudden act of generosity. If they did this, then why not return all the rest of their holdings to their country of origin (and the same goes for the holdings of the Royal Museum in Edinburgh)? And if the chessmen did return to Scotland, what possible reason could there be to keep them in Edinburgh? Would it not be more logical to return every single piece to Lewis? Moreover, expert opinion is unanimous that the chessmen were actually made in Norway, so wouldn't we have to return them to the Norwegians?

I really would like to have them back in Scotland, but I'm not holding out a lot of hope.

3

Plodjfriss, Hammer of the Numpties,

Edinburgh 24/12/2007 01:13:04
Here's a solution that's both practical and philosophically interesting. For £100,000 or so they could have hundreds of exact copies made of the entire collection of chessmen and then every museum in Britain could have its own copy. To make it more interesting the location of the originals could be kept secret. I'm sure it wouldn't be too hard to make copies which would be visually indistinguishable from the originals, so why could it possibly matter whether you were looking at the real thing or not?
4

AJM,

24/12/2007 01:13:55
Headline in Shetland Today September 2007
"THE SCOTTISH government has refused to give its backing to the campaign to bring the St Ninian's Isle treasure back to Shetland"
Please tell me the difference with the Lewis artifacts apart from that great opportunist AS getting in on the act.
Well it has no chance of conflict with England.
It is cheap and nasty shot and he legion of his defenders will be out in force.
5

Miss Jean Brodie,

24/12/2007 02:38:42
Gie ‘go oot and come in’ back to the Eggwhites!

Aye! Art - it’s no worth the stanes it’s carved oot! Or the canvas it’s painted on!

Planet earth will soon be rid of the humans and I can’t wait until the next life forms arrive - it may not be progress - but it can only be better!
6

somerferg,

oz 24/12/2007 04:39:59

#1 - another day, another stupid comment from you !

#5 - how annoying it must be for you to see Alex Salmond standing up for Scotland. It was so much easier when the monkeys in red rosettes were happy to tug the forlock and do as they were told wasn't it?
7

queen_sandra8,

24/12/2007 05:39:31

I, personally, believe that the Parthenon Marbles belong back in Greece. They never should have been taken out of Greece to begin with, supposed good intentions or not. The others that were left in Greece were still standing, and just fine.

Also, from what I have read, at the time the Parthenon Marbles were taken from Greece, many other items were taken - over 200 articles and artifacts over approximately a ten year period of time. There were stories that graves were dug up for the purpose of stealing gold, jewelery, and other precious items. And bones were left in piles, like rubbish. This is indeed very sad. ALL OF THE ITEMS SHOULD BE RETURNED TO GREECE.

The debate over the Lewis Chessmen seems petty compared to the issue of the Parthenon Marbles. At least the Chessmen are being kept somewhere in the UK. And as for the location, are they safe where they are being kept? That also is to be considered.

I don't care much for the idea of copying the originals. An old artifact is what it is, and should be able to be seen and appreciated for its uniqueness.
8

samhain,

no mans land 24/12/2007 05:50:51
Trust AM2 to make such a comment. Why bother if He hasn't got anything decent to say.
Why shouldn't we have the chessmen in Scotland?
9

Harris tweed and levi's 501,

Edinburgh 24/12/2007 06:03:19
Looks like Mr Salmond has yet again manoeuvred his pieces in such a position to be able to take the opposition Queen Wendy whenever he wishes.

The Brown King appears to be somewhat vulnerable from Salmond’s left flank attack
.
Despite having no bought and paid for Knights in his armoury, Salmond has sacrificed a couple of prawns in order to achieve his position of ascendancy.

It will only take the defection of one of the wavering Bishops to secure victory.

The end game is in sight.

Check!
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queen_sandra8,

US (formerly posted as The Forgotten Princess) 24/12/2007 06:11:26

And speaking of old artifacts, I believe I know where some precious items are buried here in the US - some that belong back in Scotland, and some that belong back in Greece.

I AM A DESCENDANT OF BRUCE AND I CAN PROVE WHO I AM. I believe that I am the only living Bruce descendant who knows the location of five spots where things were buried by my Great-Grandfather, Robert C. Bruce, on his old property in West Virginia, US. These are items which he brought with him on the boat when he immigrated to the US in 1881.

How would Alex Salmand like for very old BRUCE ARMOUR AND A BRUCE SHIELD to be returned to Scotland to be placed in a Scottish museum?

I am very serious. Can someone tell me who to contact, how to contact Alex Salmand, or get someone to contact me?

Before my father died he left me with a special "secret map" depicting five spots where things were buried on the property that once belonged to my Great-Grandfather, Robert C. Bruce.--------For many years I did not know what the map meant, or even think about or remember the map. There was separation amongst my father's family here in the US - and there were many things which I did not know. Over the summer, at 51 years old, I have learned many things about my family that I had not known before.

Just yesterday I spoke with an 83 year old Bruce cousin who lives here in the US. He remembers my father, my grandfather, and my great-grandfather, Robert C. Bruce. He was able to tell me that he knew Great-Grandfather Bruce brought with him to the US some BRUCE ARMOUR AND A BRUCE SHIELD. These items were never found. I SAY THAT I AM PROBABLY THE ONLY LIVING SOUL WHO KNOWS WHERE THEY ARE. Out of the five spots depicted on the map, my father pointed to one as "the best one". My guess would be THIS is the stuff from Robert The Bruce - because in his mind it would have TREMENDOUS SENTIMENTAL VALUE to him.

I also suspect that Grandfather Bruce brought and buried some of that stuff from Greece.
11

beeree,

Local (public bar) 24/12/2007 06:15:35
They are in their country of discovery, What is Salmond's problem? Apart from a rather inflated ego.

Think about it ....... slowly, "made in Norway around 1200 AD and were originally bound for Ireland."

He's the little nyaff who keeps annoying the big boys until someone slaps him down. Gordon please do it quickly he gives Scots a bad name.

12

Ross Fyffe,

Scotland 24/12/2007 06:18:43
if that clown wants the chessmen back then he empties the Scottish museums of all things not Scottish
13

Ross Fyffe,

Scotland 24/12/2007 06:20:26
11 away an bile yer heid
14

Mercutio,

FALKIRK 24/12/2007 06:25:00
This is the second day of this story about the Lewis chessmen, the FM has played "Alex Alekhine's" classic chess opener will the British Museum reply with the "Scotch Game".
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queen_sandra8,

US (formerly posted as The Forgotten Princess) 24/12/2007 06:27:29
The property is owned by the 83 year old Bruce cousin, and I have his permission to dig on the property.

But I need help with this. Too many people already know about this. I think my father told someone he told me - and word got out before I ever said anything to anyone.

I want these items returned to Scotland, and Greece respectively. I am not able to just go dig myself. And I do not want hoarders, treasure mongers or collectors getting in on this and stealing it if items are found.

Also, I want the items to go back to Scotland, especially items of Bruce. I don't want to see things like this end up in a collection OR some museum in the US.

Who can help with this, tell me who to contact, or have Alex Salmand (or one of his staff) contact me? (Yes, it is possible I am wrong. But several factors say that I just might be right.)

CONTACT ME: queen_sandra8@comcast.net
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queen_sandra8,

US (formerly posted as The Forgotten Princess) 24/12/2007 06:30:03
POST 16 IS CONTINUED FROM POST 11.

THEY WERE NOT MEANT TO BE SEPARATED. PLEASE SEE BOTH.
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24/12/2007 06:58:07
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Beth Boyle,

24/12/2007 07:00:44
I would like to see them all back in Scotland. I was a little disapointed in August that only a few were on display in the national museum. They are so amazing. Let the British museum display replicas.
19

Mercutio,

FALKIRK 24/12/2007 07:00:45
Aye what about the Stone of Destiny???
20

Beth Boyle,

24/12/2007 07:26:02
I thought it had been returned Merctio?
21

Breezy,

Argyll 24/12/2007 07:51:30
Get them back Alex before they get lost like everything else !
22

Harris tweed and levi's 501,

24/12/2007 08:02:50
#20

The Stone of Destiny was never lost, therefore never returned.

It has always been here..

Alba ghu bragh!
23

Mercutio,

FALKIRK 24/12/2007 08:05:59
#21 Read the history of the Stone.
24

GrahamH,

Edinburgh 24/12/2007 08:21:56
With this and the firearms, looks like Salmond trying to pick fights to show a growing divide. I would normally think a fair tactic BUT there are just too many Scottish issues to be getting on with to just raise the separatist stakes at the moment.

SNP should remember still got a country to run and stay focussed on that. Playing political games is for when you are in opposition and don't think SNP quite got that yet.

Trams for instance, they rubber stamped it when could have stopped it but happy to sit back and say was all other parties voting for it, when they could still have stopped. Now Edinburgh council selling off land and buildings held for centuries to pay for some of it and SNP sitting back watching.

Being in Government is about taking unpopular decisions too and getting to grips with what is really important and Chessmen are when you have sorted much more important things out. I would like them back, but I understand what priorities are!
25

Border Scot,

Hawick 24/12/2007 08:24:32
It is hilarious that people are on here demanding that items not made in Scotland and not meant for Scotland should be returned to Scotland because tey are part of Scotland's cultural heritage. It's abject nonsense, of course.

But if we are all about returning stuff can someone point me in the direction of any Alex Salmond quote demanding that Scottish museums and galleries return artefacts to where they originally came from?
26

Dug the bug,

Brisvegas 24/12/2007 08:37:57
GrahamH,
Edinburgh 24/12/2007 08:21:56
"SNP should remember still got a country to run and stay focussed on that. Playing political games is for when you are in opposition and don't think SNP quite got that yet"

er, Graham, are the SNP not in in opposition to Westminister?

It's games when the SNP do it but protecting cultural heritage when the British museum do it.

You couldn't really make it up
27

connaughtboy,

stonehaven 24/12/2007 08:55:06
#1 AM2 You give the strong impression of being a philistine. You don't seem to see this from a cultural point of view, instead you (wrongly) see everything as having a political motivation. I don't think you have an artistic bone in your body which is reall quite sad.
28

thinking,

Scotland 24/12/2007 09:23:33
History is rife with items being removed, rightly or wrongly, from their place of origin. This has been going on for centuries and many items have been preserved by doing so.
The chessmen do not belong to anywhere in the UK if you go by where they were made. If you go by who bought them, or were given them, they belong to the British Museum.
Any campaign to bring them to Scotland will divert time, attention and, most of all, money (taxpayers) from things that really matter - NHS, Education, policing etc.
29

Boy Wonder,

24/12/2007 09:33:41
#21 & #24. The Stone originally came from Egypt ... so do you think it remotelt resembles that lump of rock in Edinburgh Castle?
30

Dug the bug,

Brisvegas 24/12/2007 10:04:07
32 Rules but no troubles

I am sick and tired of the line of 'blaming everyone else for our troubles'

It is a pile of bull$hit.

Please provide some evidence or examples of this national blight.

I don't blame anyone other than ourselves for our situation, unionists in particular.

The SNP is asserting our interests first and foremost. This is not anti anyone but pro scottish - people like you are a little scotlanders
31

Harbinger,

elgin 24/12/2007 10:14:34
Oh dear, Salmond's lost his marbles.
32

Njal,

Edinburgh 24/12/2007 10:39:29
Aye, give the people of Elgin their marbles back!
33

livilion,

livingston 24/12/2007 10:45:58
11 queen_sandra8
Sorry your Grace, but I'm sure Lord Bruce the Earl of Elgin and Kincardine has usurped your Royal Stuart claim by the Bruce line to the Scottish throne, as has The Duke of Albany and Elizabeth Windsor the current encumbent.

I'm sure you were your daddy's little princess but if you want your name in lights then I suggest you use your daddy's treasure map now and go dig up your royal nest-egg before nature and chemistry take their toll.
Why haven't you done so already?

I presume you are familiar with the provenance of your 'treasures', eg The Bruce's famous battle axe 'used at Bannockburn' is equally famous for the number of new shafts and its replacement heads.
34

d.j.,

24/12/2007 10:47:25
Nach iongtach gur ann mu nithean a thainig bho dulchas na Gaidhlig a thathar a togail fianuis. Cumaibh oirbh a' bhalachaibh.
35

Kipling,

24/12/2007 10:54:56
See the postings in the Scotsman on Sunday.

These chessmen belong to Norway, if you're following the logic of sending the Elgin marbles back to Greece. (qv. also above & on Sundays postings). All that Scotland provided was a 'temporary' stone shelter. How do we know it wasn't an intelligent Viking/Norwegian who hid them in the first place? (My reasoning is the advanced state of religious buildings in that part of Norway where similar chessmen existed, ie, stone hideyholes would be a possible mental extension). Would Lewis have been inhabited then?

Why not ask the Norwegians first what they feel and establish the SNP as a government that returns to its owners that which is rightfully theirs, or arrange a permanent loan (possibly in this case with the National Museum of Decorative Arts, Trondheim?).

To wrap up the return of these with the ideal of an independent Scotland is plain silly & sounds desperate. They don't signify talents of the early 'Scottish' any more than the Assyrian monuments in the British Museum (883-859 BC) signify early Celtic ability.
36

Neil,

Glasgow 24/12/2007 11:01:05
I could wish the SNP would put less effort into picking fights with London than into building our "Celtic Lion" economy (ie equallying Ireland's 7% growth rate) or determining why we have to spend $4.2 billion on a bridge which previously cost £0.3 billion or where a tunnel, which the Norwegians regularly build for under £40 miliion, could serve equally well.
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livilion,

livingston 24/12/2007 11:06:41
#32 Rulesbutnotrulers,Federation, not separation 24/12/2007 09:40:22

The Cultural connection, if you'd cared enough to check, is that these pieces were produced when Lewis was part of the Norse Kingdom of Mann and the Isles, before The Hebrides returned to Scottish hands.ie When Norway, the Hebrides and Dublin were all ruled by the same peoples.

I am curious to know how the British Museum can be sure that these pieces were not intended for Lewis but on their way to Ireland?

Is resistance to returning these pieces to where they were found and had lain undisturbed for over half a millenia simply because the First Minister of Scotland has lent his support to the locals' campaign and just happens to also lead the SNP?

Why not flog off the Crown Jewels and save the security costs of keeping them in the Tower, no-one uses them and we've sold off everything else, why not these?
38

Memyself&I,

24/12/2007 11:26:52
Does Wee Fat Eck not have more important things to do?
Another ridiculous fight to pick. Why?
Truely pathetic.
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MtnKat,

Santa's Sleigh 24/12/2007 11:36:13
Historians "believe" they were made in Norway and bound for Ireland.
Alex will continue to "campaign" for their return to Scotland.
I doubt he plans to drop everything and put this at the top of his priority list. As FM there are thousands of issues within his remit. This is a side issue, but that doesn't hinder Hamish from blowing it out of porportion.
Hamish, at least you are consistent. Lump of coal for you, laddie.

Merry Christmas all and may your holiday be safe and full of joy.
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pwd,

Hawick 24/12/2007 11:39:54
5 AJM

''....a cheap and nasty shot...''

Not surprising because AS is a cheap and nasty man. The fact that he is able to get nationalists to dribble and go giddy with excitement speaks volumes for their state of mind.
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Liberal for life,

Dunblane 24/12/2007 11:50:00
Yet again Salmond is displaying his tendency to create a storm in a teacup to serve his selfish political ambitions. I'd think more of him is he suggested they be returned to Norway where they were actually made in the first place, similar to the Elgin marbles.

So Stop Nationalist Prpgaganda and get on with getting rid of MRSA in Scottish hopsitals (for example), as thats exactly the kind of thing we are paying you for Mr Salmond.
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livilion,

livingston 24/12/2007 11:54:02
What's up with this new set up?
I've tried upteen times to post responses here and they've all just evapourated into the ether
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Memyself&I,

24/12/2007 12:09:25
#13 - just about sums it up perfectly.
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livilion,

livingston 24/12/2007 12:13:51
45 Liberal for life,Dunblane
Salmond's tendency to create a storm in a teacup, or the Scotsman's?

The First Minister by all accounts is winning praise from friend and foe alike for standing up for Scottish interests, his personal and party approval ratings appear to bear this out.
He and his party has never ever been so popular either at home or abroad.

Could it be that for once local councils in Scotland and Scots in general now have a champion who will stand foresquare with them in disputes with the powers that be in London, and who is not afraid that his ladder to political honours would be taken away for not towing a Westminster party line?

Face it, where is the alternative? Alexander, mortally wounded with multiple 'red on red' stab wounds in her back and self inflicted bullet wounds to her feet?
Tavish Scott the Liberal leader, aye right! Bella Goldie's Tories, or sticking needles in your eyes?
45

TSynicto the core,

Saltireland 24/12/2007 12:16:00
Yes,#3,the owner of the land on which they were found.
There's the rub. A hell of a lot of families and individuals have hived off hundreds of thousands of acres of Scotland for their own private domains strictly off-limits to the peasants. One individual even put the Cuillin mountain range in Skye up for sale,at £10m cheap at half the price, and when he
didn't get a bidder proposed we taxpayers coughed up. Hopefully someday Scots will shake off the spell.
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Highland Mighty,

24/12/2007 12:22:46
Just run the country, Salmond! Ye patheticly bitter little man!

There's a huge difference between 'standing up for us' and making us all look petty.

Stop trying to pick fights with that nasty olde Londone Towne over anything and everything and just get on with the job you were elected to do!

They're not even Scottish, they were made in Norway and were shipwrecked in Lewis on their way to Ireland!
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Highland Mighty,

24/12/2007 12:23:55
Aw, it's Christmas dammit! Why am I back on here with all these daft SNP cyber-activists??
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Steve,

Bo'ness 24/12/2007 12:43:41
Has Salmond actually said he wants "to fight" anyone?
No, didn't think so.

He remarked at a meeting that he'd like to see the Lewis Chessmen repatriated (To Lewis I hope). It's hardly the stuff of headlines, but this is the weird and wonderful world of the Scotsman.
49

ACS,

St Andrews 24/12/2007 12:45:14
Mr Salmond was speaking to an audience of "Gaelic campaigners" last week but the article doesn't say what they were campaigning for, their language, their culture, their heritage? Perhaps they were cmapaigning on a wide range of issues and the only thing they had in common was that they all spoke Gaelic. In any event, I'm sure Mr Salmond like the slick politician that he is would have gauged his audience and tailored his rhetoric accordingly. I'm sure that he will be campaigning on more important issues in the New Year. As a Gaelic speaking Lewisman, I'm perfectly happy that the chessmen are on display in the best museum in the world, bar none, and visited by millions each year.
50

Football Superiority,

24/12/2007 12:48:40
"originally bound for Ireland," on what is that assumption based?
How on Earth can any historian say they know where these pieces were bound for?

"probably made in Norway," again on what is that assumption based. If its the materials then how do they know that they weren't carved on Uig from Norwegian materials?

What we know for sure is where they were found, and that is where they should be.

If its about visitor numbers why not put them on a permanent tour of the World where even more people will see them.

In short why London?

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Steve,

Bo'ness 24/12/2007 12:53:57
Of course the article doesn't tell you anything credible, but what do you expect? The entire lengthy debate on Gaelic was shown on TV, and it's pathetic that the Scotsman has singled out one small remark and turned it into a negative headline.

And if, as a native Gaelic speaker, you dont think Gaelic language and culture is an important issue, then no wonder it's in been in decline for centuries!
Good greif.

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Denise,

Shetland 24/12/2007 13:17:04
Scotland's museums must be stuffed with things from around the world, so what's the point?
I really couldn't care less where the Lewis Chessmen are kept, but isn't it amazing how the Scotsman pounces on the slightest little remark, and turns it into a "FIGHT with England". Sigh.
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Memyself&I,

24/12/2007 13:24:42
#53 Finally, the voice of reason from a SNP supporter (presumably).

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Ghengis McCann,

Edinburgh 24/12/2007 13:29:32
Aye, c'mon Westminster - give us back the Duke of Edinburgh while you're at it. And Elgin want their marbles back. And Scotch Corner should be repatriated brick by brick. And from now on, we want a royalty on every jammy Scone eaten south of the border.

King Alex the First of Scotland and his Gnatobites are certainly focusing on the things which matter to Scotland. Och aye. A chess set made in Norway, headed for Ireland and bought fair and square.
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Walter Ego,

Durness 24/12/2007 14:05:00
Lewis Chessmen? What about the Lewis Council Tax freeze?
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24/12/2007 14:05:57
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24/12/2007 14:13:59
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Calum Crubag,

24/12/2007 14:14:14
#62 - mind an take yer pills.

SALMOND IS MASONIC MAOIST SHOCK
by TheWitless
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Banana Heid,

Ayrshire 24/12/2007 14:37:50
Why don't the SNP challenge westminster to a game of chess? And the greeks can get in on the action by challenging Westminster to a Discus or Javelin comp.

Ha you thought I was gonna say game of marbles!!! WRONG!!!

just can't think of a sport the greeks are good at...
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John S,

24/12/2007 15:06:30
I have not read anywhere that Norway wants the Lewis (Trondheim) Chessmen back ? neither does Iceland ?
The walrus ivory pieces were made in Iceland or Norway in the second half of the 12th century. The group is known as 'The Lewis Chessmen.' - Scottish Museum
The Lewis Chessmen are made of aalrus ivory, and are probably Scandinavian - British Museum
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yoric,

24/12/2007 15:28:24
What a stupid argument, if this was toxic waste travelling from Norway to Ireland and it was washed up on a Scottish beach, would Salmond lay claim to it then?
Made in Scandinavia, on route to Ireland, Scotland has no more right to it than England.
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Ross Fyffe,

24/12/2007 15:38:50
69 Brilliant analogy ,...............
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Football Superiority,

24/12/2007 16:09:30
70 So if the chessmen belong to Norway as it was a Norwegian colony presumably you believe that the Norman castles across England actually belong to the French?
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Liberal for life,

Dunblane 24/12/2007 16:21:03
#48 - Highland Mighty#50 is absolutely right.

And your assertion that he supports councils I suspect will come apart at the seams once they disocver the only way they can stay within the Swinney imposed straightjacket is to cut services, vital or otherwise.
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Bill St. James,

Florence, Massacusetts 24/12/2007 16:22:12
Mr.Salmond has, in my opinion, made a bit of a political joke here. He seems to be eager to get on the front pages during the usual Christmas bye, but a story about some Norwegian chessmen which were buried in a Western Scotland beach? Please.

Now the Stone of Scone (which I have seen both in Westminster Abbey and back where it belongs in your beautiful country) - now that was a story worth the front page anytime.

But if Mr. Salmond wants to stay with the Chessman, he should also point out that, unlike in the 13th Century when these pieces were carved, women now have rights. Therefore the Queens shouldn't be called Chessmen. They are Chessladies. Or maybe Chesswomen. How about Chessgirls? No, wait, I've got it: Chesschicks! Yeah, that's it. CHESSCHICKS !!

You go, Mr. Salmond!

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WL,

livingston 24/12/2007 16:43:10
Does everything that is found on Scottish beaches automatically belong to England?
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pwd,

Hawick 24/12/2007 16:56:47
55 Steve

''And if ..... you dont think Gaelic language and culture is an important issue, then no wonder it's in been in decline for centuries!''

Gaelic language and culture may be an important issue to a few thousand people in the Highlands and Islands, and that is their right, but it is not in any great sense an important Scottish issue. English is our language. It and the lowland culture which used it defined Scotland long before the Union and has continued to do so since.


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queen_sandra8,

US 24/12/2007 17:01:44
#37

Boy, are your feathers ever ruffled! Jealousy will get you nowhere.

Yes, I do know exactly what I'm talking about. And I know about Lord Bruce, The Earl of Elgin and Kincardine. I also know just a few years back that they had a special ceremony, at which Charles Edward and his son James carried the Bruce sword. THEY DO NOT HAVE THE SHIELD TO GO WITH THE SWORD - OR THE ARMOUR.

Oh, the Scottish throne.....yes I do know who has the claim to it. But I also DO KNOW THAT MY GREAT-GRANDFATHER WAS A PART OF THE BRUCE FAMILY. And for whatever reason HE DID REMOVE SOME PRECIOUS ITEMS THAT NEVER SHOULD HAVE BEEN TAKEN OUT OF SCOTLAND.
********Don't you get it? I don't know what all exactly is buried up there. But Great-Grandfather Bruce did bring to the US armour and a shield. I COULD BE RIGHT. AND IF THAT IS WHAT IS BURIED UP THERE I WANT TO SEE IT RETURNED TO SCOTLAND.

I am not able to go up there and dig myself. Just over the last several months some pieces of a secret got put together, with the help of family members. There are people hanging around me - because they know what I know. I knew where, but didn't know what. Some others knew what was buried, but did not know where. I DO!

And you can stuff your comment about the "battle axe" 'used at Bannockburn' being famous for the number of new shafts and replacement heads. You are d#*n right that I am proud of being directly descended from Robert The Bruce. It is also true that in my life I have suffered harassment and much bullsh##* because of this secret - FOR YEARS I HONESTLY DID NOT KNOW WHAT IT MEANT. (I was kept out of this family because of my American Indian blood - and also my mother's parents were German/Austrian. Some people did not understand that my Austrian grandparents were in the US way back in 1910-had nothing to do with Hitler and his ugliness) I WAS TERRORIZED OVER THIS AND DID NOT EVEN UNDERSTAND WHY!

And I do not mean to offend anyone. But I've had to suffer in
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queen_sandra8,

cont'd from 78 24/12/2007 17:26:23
But I've had to suffer in my life because of this, NOT EVEN KNOWING WHY FOR MANY YEARS. AND I WILL TEASE ABOUT THIS IF I DA#* WANT TO.

Speaking of replacement heads, maybe I'll pull out an old crown. I've got the blood, if I have the clothes........
does this make me queen?
(STOP FUSSING I AM JUST TEASING)

#37, and the rest of you. Don't you get it? I want help to find out IF I AM RIGHT about what is buried up there. Some of my comments have been crass and my jokes rather crude - but I don't want to hurt the Bruces, or Scotland.............I WANT TO HELP.

How sad would it be - if I were right - and stuff like this got dug up and fell into the wrong hands??????

I'm done posting for now because Wonder Boy and some others are fussing. Any of you are welcome to contact my email. queen_sandra8@comcast.net

And Merry Christmas!
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d.j.,

24/12/2007 17:36:50
#77
pwd is quite correct when he/she says that English is the Scottish language, after all the English speaking Scots have been instrumental in ensuring English was spread throughout the world through religion, the universities industry, etc., and they should be proud of what they have achieved.

They also played a crucial role in killing the Gaelic language in Scotland again through religion, the education system and through government at many different levels. Once again congratulations.

What this has done is leave an accent among the former Gaelic areas which can only be described as comical and right enough one that is continually derided and laughted at as should be the case.
What is so sad that we only got a strange accent in English little or no culture of any standing in return and get laughed at. Some reward indeed.

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cataibh,

Bo'ness 24/12/2007 18:29:04
When are the these Westminster politicians going to calm down and stop picking fights with our elected goverment in Scotland?
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queen_sandra8,

US BAKING THE BEST COOKIES IN THE WORLD 24/12/2007 18:50:25
#29 Connaughtboy

Merry Christmas!

Don't you think the shield oughta go with that sword?

c and i do. Let's pray we can get this worked out, and at least find out - if I might be right. i serious. if i am right i want you guys to have this stuff, not have it fall into the wrong hands. sandy
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Pilrig,

Livingston 24/12/2007 19:13:03
62 - "All o' God's chillun got to have their freedom"

Arthur Lee - "The Red Telephone"
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Pilrig,

Livingston 24/12/2007 19:18:22
53 - the same millions who cant be @rsed making a trip to Scotland to see them.
Nothing in life is worthwhile without some effort being put into it.
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Pilrig,

Livingston 24/12/2007 19:23:50
63 - Workers rule ya bass, comrade.
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Pilrig,

Livingston 24/12/2007 19:30:24
76 - some of the previous posters thinks so. But you forget that the universe revolves around London.
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Pilrig,

Livingston 24/12/2007 19:31:49
77 - a North Brit writes ......
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Kipling,

DoomRay Liberation Front 24/12/2007 19:40:58
The conclusion that the chessmen are from Norway is that there were similar chessmen found there.

Why should the chessmen be important to SNP? Looking at Lewis's history (courtesy of Wikipedia), you've got the original inhabitants who had a very successful construction industry, for example the building of Callanish. Then about 1AD -- 2 millenia later! -- they were settled by the Scots, then 6th-9th century the Picts, then from 9th century the Vikings (known as the foreigner-gaels), until 1266 when they were ceded by the Norwigs to the Scots. Since then they seemed to have been owned by one clan or another, and not always in their best interest.

I say give the Lewis folk their independence! revive crofting, fishing, weaving, & building nice stone monuments!

and throw the chessmen in with it.
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cataibh,

Bo'ness 24/12/2007 19:46:11
84# No longer is there 'yes' politicians in Scotland who bend the knee to Westminster. Just accept that fact.
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Pilrig,

Livingston 24/12/2007 19:58:29
Ach I'm off to watch the prog aboot Ken Dodd, the taxman's friend.
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Football Superiority,

24/12/2007 20:57:12
93 So perhaps Lewis was the centre of chessmen production and exported them to Norway.

The FACT is that no one knows where they were made, or if they were "bound" for anywhere.

They turned up in Lewis and should go back there.

Why London?
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Aslan,

Edinburgh 24/12/2007 21:29:30
Usual tokenist SNP nonsense.

Free the Lewis Chessmen, and it'll make a HUGE difference to the Scottish economy. A bit like ditching the Forth Bridge Tolls - wow, what a barrier to north/south trade those swingeing ONE POUND fees were!

Alex - gonnae try something DIFFICULT for a change, eh?
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Conan the Librarian™,

24/12/2007 22:02:23
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Space

Happy Christmas™
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scoobie,

ici! 24/12/2007 23:20:25
The majority of oil produced from the north sea is between Norway and Scotland not much if any can be English. However all the oil is managed and sold via Brent in London. I have been told that all the oil transactions and gains are English. There are some wells that are not even being used they are said to be closer to the Scottish coast and North ward. Conservation.
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walter,

24/12/2007 23:21:00
I am not going to comment on this article, I am working in the morning so I am off to bed and would like to wish every one no matter where they are a Merry Christmas.
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d.j.,

25/12/2007 00:26:07
I have never understood why the Scots are so proud to be English other than they are ashamed of who they are.
No wonder the Brits like the Scots as they are putty in their hands shaping them at will. After all it comes from having a shared language and culture. Being a second class citizen through not having the correct accent or way of speaking is always difficult if you have nowhere else to turn.
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d.j.,

25/12/2007 00:35:09
Why are the Scots such poor organisers, you would have thought that they could have a large number of names already on a petition plus a committee pushing to get the Lewis Chessmen back to Lewis but oh no that is far too difficult to for them to organise.

Leave it to the politicians and you will find that anything important takes years to achieve any success.
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AJM,

25/12/2007 00:44:41
#111 Happy Christmas

Free the Lewis 18 or how many there are.
Point at the top of the thread is that they were sold legally, if so what is the claim. The SNP believe the claim is that they have ended up in the British Museum which is nothing to do with Scotland. If it was AS and the US, he would be asking how much do you want? Take it all, we want to be independent. They are the good guys lest not you forget. They had nothing to do with Iraq it was all the fault of the English Blair.
Last week the SNP posters were proclaiming that the story of Trump was a diversion by this newspaper from Labour. Where are they now when this is patently a diversion by this newspaper to steer us away from Trump.
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Tobe ornot,

Canada 25/12/2007 08:49:14
Does he have nothing else to think about other than
chess!!! give me a break - he'll pick on anything to cause a stir.
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Yok Finney,

Ross-shire 25/12/2007 11:54:24
-- While they are at it, how about returning the land to the people of Uig.

Government for the people by the people?

This would be a liberating scottish initiative.

"Landlordism, first woven into the fabric of everyday life by royal fiat and thousands of years of legal process precedent, has become an accepted cosmic phenomenon as seemingly inevitable as the weather. Humans have learned to play many of its games. Land "ownership" and its omni-dependent comprehensive thing-ownership involvements and their legal-documents-perpetuations constitute the largest socioeconomic custom error presently being maintained by a large world affairs-affecting segment of humanity.

Humanity has gone as far as it can go with this significant error and is in final examination as to whether it can free itself from its misconditioned reflex straightjacket in time to pull out of its greatest-in-all-history, error-occasioned tailspinning into eternity."

The Islands of Scotland are our starting points.
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Ard Righ,

The Rock Of Edinburgh 25/12/2007 12:04:05
118 AM2,Glasgow 25/12/2007 11:03:19
Any of you crazy nats want to meet later in no man’s land for a game of footy?

This comment tells you all you will ever need to know about AM2, perpetually warring, well, on the propaganda side of things.
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Ard Righ,

The Rock Of Edinburgh 25/12/2007 12:05:41
119
Yok Finney,
Ross-shire 25/12/2007 11:54:24

An enlightened man.

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Ard Righ,

The Rock Of Edinburgh 25/12/2007 12:21:19
Lets get to the real issue.

The enforced seizure of all records, artifacts and archives of Scotland not just from England but from all colonial countries.
The monarchy can be returned too. The Cymry can keep theirs.
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tomislav,

home 25/12/2007 12:58:06
Since we are British, how can you return something thats already home
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kimba,

25/12/2007 13:02:43
merry christmas everyone, Salmond is a sh-t stirrer, he will get his big time, I just got a English passport holder for xmas, seems the English are getting ready for independence!
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kimba,

25/12/2007 13:18:34
122. what dream was that in, get a grip, we are all British! wether you believe in it or not, you are as British as the rest of us,'cause a Scotsman in westminster says you are! lol.
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kimba,

25/12/2007 13:38:12
Scotland is still part of GB, YOU MAY NOT LIKE IT,BUT IT IS FACT.
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morris,

edinburgh 25/12/2007 13:41:07
26 GrahamH,Edinburgh

You say the SNP could have stopped the Trams.Could they?They were already a minority government(47 seats) when at full strength,and the elected member for LIVINGSTON was on maternity leave ,and consequently they were minus one.
The combined Tory Labour and Lb DEm seats were 79.
How can 47 defeat 79?

Do you mean Edinburgh Council perhaps where the coalition depends upon the LIb DEms who supported the trams.They are even less in control there!
If you are opposed to the TRAMS then attacking the party who agrees with you seems a most curious thing to do?
If you favour of the Trams then why are you attacking the party who has been defeated? You won !

Its obvious you attack for the sake of it,and whenever this happens it just shows many how weak and vulnerable the Unionist argument is when they resort to this .It has precious little to do with the topic anyway (unless they are being returned to the airport on a tram).
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Lundavra,

Scotland 25/12/2007 13:43:09
Does he propose to send them to Stornoway Museum or is a new museum going to be built at Uig?

I suspect neither.

I was told that when they were put on display in Uig a few years ago the National Museum of Scotland would not allow any of their chessmen to leave Edinburgh whereas the British Museum were prepared to loan some of their chessmen for display locally. So it could restrict access to the chessmen.

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kimba,

25/12/2007 13:51:11
WHEN SOTLAND LEARNS TO SHARE, THEN AND ONLY THEN CAN WE MOVE FORWARD!
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morris,

edinburgh 25/12/2007 13:57:52
127

We are a multi national state comprising of countries called England Wales Northern Ireland and Scotland.

Our nationhood was never diminished in any way.The United Kingdom and Great Britain are not even one of the same, and the fact that both exist simultaneously clearly defines us as a multi national state.(ie Great Britain is part of the United Kingdom)

We are British only in the sense that such a term has definition and that must clearly be belonging to Scotland or England or Wales. Northern Ireland is in the United Kingdom but its not part of Great Britain !
It cannot be,because the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland is our correct title.Northern Ireland is of course in the British Isles,but so is the Republic of Ireland since they occupy the same island (formerly Eire).

The use of the term British means therefore that you are from one of these countries but does not specify which. It in no way dilutes our being Scots English Welsh or Northern Irish.
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Pilrig,

Livingston 25/12/2007 13:58:16
118 - err, us natives ca' it fitba. Merry Crimbo !
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Pilrig,

Livingston 25/12/2007 14:03:32
126 - I've no objection to the military records being stored at Kew, quite a remarkable archive really, though it's time they got their finger oot and got more of the military records online. Also it's been a couple of years since I was at the Charlotte Sq branch of the NAS, but more often at the Register House. Maybe one day my prayer will be asnwered and the NAS and New Register Hoose next door will open at weekends ?
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Pilrig,

Livingston 25/12/2007 14:04:59
127 - well it use to be a fact that Norway was part of Sweden but that fact is consigned to history
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Ard Righ,

The Rock Of Edinburgh 25/12/2007 14:33:51
124 kimba,25/12/2007 13:02:43
"english are getting ready for independence!"

Great, does that mean your going back to germany?
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morris,

edinburgh 25/12/2007 14:34:04
134

Indeed.

We have a parliament/ assembly( whatever you want to call it) in Strasbourg and/or Brusselles which for convenience I refer to as the European Parliament.

France and Germany are both members of it ,but they have not stopped being French and German,nor will they!
I guarantee if KImba goes to Calais and tells them they are the same as the Germans he/she will break the world record swimming the channel back "home" again!

The situation is no different here.Scots we were, Scots we are (but a bit confused)and SCOTS we will be again very soon, but minus the confusion!

Alba Gu Brath
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Ard Righ,

The Rock Of Edinburgh 25/12/2007 14:39:30
125 kimba, 25/12/2007 13:18:34

You delusionary english gimp masquerading as a (Briton(see Cymry/Welsh)).

I define what I am.
Not some Anglified power freaks politiking.

Have you got out of nursery yet, had your bum wiped yet? Your cage is dirty and you've been pooping in the nest again.

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Ard Righ,

The Rock Of Edinburgh 25/12/2007 14:48:33
All the above defines the real need for independence for our own operations, control over our own resources, control over our media, control over our own borders and Extra Regio Territories.
Our own army, our own energy, our own direction. Our own trade. Our own infrastructure, our parliament.

ONE PROSPEROUS SCOTLAND
RUN BY INTELLIGENT SCOTS
WITH THEIR EYE ON THE BIGGER PICTURE.
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Ard Righ,

The Rock Of Edinburgh 25/12/2007 15:00:30
EMERGENCY INDEPENDENCE VOTE MAY 2008

IMMEDIATE INDEPENDENCE REFERENDUM.


Independence from the English Parliament.

Independence from American Military Installations

Independence from the European Union

Independence from Non Governmental Organisations(NGO's)

Declare Neutrality

Control our own Resources

Man a 350/400 mile sea boundary, taking back all.

Re-establish the trade routes.


WE WILL GET ON WITH OUR OWN COUNTRY on an International footing.

Happy solstice and Hogmanay.
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kimba,

25/12/2007 15:01:22
ARDRIGHT. LOL, YOU TOTAL MUPPET, ENGLAND CAN BUY AND SELL YOU ALL,GET REAL 50 MILLION ENGLISH
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kimba,

25/12/2007 15:09:52
139. YOU REALLY ARE A MUPPET, FOR THE LOVE OF GOD,GET REAL,YOU WILL CONDEMN SCOTLAND TO POVERTY AND TOTAL OBSCUREITY.
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kimba,

25/12/2007 15:30:08
139. HOW ABOUT INDEPENDENCE FROM SCOTTISH MORONS!
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morris,

edinburgh 25/12/2007 15:35:00
141

"Economics" as you know it, first surfaced in the form of THE WEALTH OF NATIONS, Adam Smith Fife.

We are not only capable of running our own affairs,WE taught the world HOW to run theirs!

The USA Australia New Zealand Canada to name but a few had a major input from the Scots and they are not slow to recall this.The inference that we are incapable of running our country is deeply insulting,and ill advised, even if you genuinely believed it!

We neither want nor need England which is what you arrogantly infer !

There are numerous nations smaller than Scotland with far less resources ,and they are doing well.We shall do the same. Norway and Ireland are two classic examples on our own doorstep !Tiny Luxembourg is not only successful but has been around longer than anybody in Europe has!

The people of Scotland have the right to determine their own destiny, as does any man, and that is enshrined in United Nations agreements .WE are a former kingdom of Scotland(one of Europe's oldest,older than England in fact)and we have the right to declare nationhood and sovereignty again.

It will only happen if the majority wish it to be so.Your views will be recorded same as everybody else's when the time comes. You can have nothing to fear from democracy except maybe your own stupidity.

The only legitimate complaint you can have is those nasty SNP's wont allow England's Tory government to lord it over the Scots anymore and pretend Britannia still rules the waves.
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kimba,

25/12/2007 15:45:55
143,MORRIS. THIS is christmas,as of such please face up to reality,England can buy and sell you,so stop whinging!
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kimba,

25/12/2007 15:48:40
As for the tories,don't worry about them,england is about to explode,and when it does god help you scots!
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Beorn,

Norway 25/12/2007 15:49:06
Why Not return the chessmen to Norway? That's where they were made! :)
And a Merry Christmas to you all!!
Beorn
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morris,

edinburgh 25/12/2007 15:51:17
144

United Nations and international law apply. End of Debate. If you mean England has 10 times as many mouths to feed (and earn of course)then fair enough.She is bigger for sure.

USA of course can buy and sell England,in fact I would say she already has .
What satisfaction one gains from that I have no idea!
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kimba,

25/12/2007 15:54:16
144,LOL.,
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morris,

edinburgh 25/12/2007 16:01:47
146

To be fair No one could doubt your claim Beorn.

I suspect if Norway did ask for them back Scotlands government might look favourably upon this,we certainly cannot dispute their origin,but in view of the friendship that has existed between our two countries over centuries and the fact that no claim was made over Orkney and Shetland (when clearly access to these lands is worth far more) then I doubt it will happen. I have to admit though,your claim would be sound as any could be.

Gledelig jul Norge !
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kimba,

25/12/2007 16:07:31
wELL THAT'S A PITY 'CAUSE THEY ARE STAYING IN ENGLAND.
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morris,

edinburgh 25/12/2007 16:09:44
148

That was your most pertinent contribution! Im confused by the refernce to 144 though which you posted? Are you laughing at yourself perhaps?
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All Politicians are the same,

Scotland 25/12/2007 16:33:07
The sad facts are that as long as Scotland is part of the UK then the national museum in London is the central point of display for most artefacts. Do we really expect people to visit individual displays in Cornwall and Lewis and Shetlad and North wales? Why doesn't Salmond ask for enough pieces to have a whole set on display in Edinburgh?
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morris,

edinburgh 25/12/2007 16:59:50
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A sensible suggestion,but I think this is a bit like the stone .
What its worth is in terms of political significance probably far exceeds any market value,and if so,that means ALL of them.

Personally I hope they are safe and intact,and give pleasure to those who wish it so, but where they are located I dont really care as long as they are not lost or damaged.
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d.j.,

25/12/2007 17:15:17
What is the point in taking them back to Edinburgh. They should go to the Western Isles where they will have a greater economic benefit than either London or Edinburgh due to travel, overnight stays etc., etc. Indeed it is time for the treasures held in Edinburgh, London, Cambridge, Oxford and Inverness to be returned to the areas in which they came from. It does not make any economic sense to have them in a small number of places be they in Scotland or England.
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Ard Righ,

The Rock Of Edinburgh 25/12/2007 17:20:48
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kimba,
25/12/2007 15:09:52
139. YOU REALLY ARE A MUPPET, FOR THE LOVE OF GOD,GET REAL,YOU WILL CONDEMN SCOTLAND TO POVERTY AND TOTAL OBSCUREITY.

Not only do you believe in the notion of god and cannot spell obscurity, your vociferous commentary is an accurate projection on the fate of the english system.

Guid Riddance Ignoramous
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kimba,

25/12/2007 18:19:46
158.YES INDEED,you seem to be a total numpty, England can get on very well without the Tatan taliban,thanks allthe same.
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Pilrig,

Livingston 25/12/2007 18:50:10
157 - spot on. To appreciate something people should make some effort.
Anyway have to go Doc Who's on.
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Ard Righ,

The Rock Of Edinburgh 25/12/2007 19:20:50
"Salmond set for moves to reunite Lewis Chessmen north of Border"

Such unionist cheese.

"Anglo-Saxons set for forced migration from South Britain back to the father land Germania, Cymry to head parliament."
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Ard Righ,

The Rock Of Edinburgh 25/12/2007 19:23:18
Dare I draw a Palestinian / Israeli parallel ?
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Ard Righ,

The Rock Of Edinburgh 25/12/2007 19:25:14
Sketch, Sketch, Sketch.


Sketch....


Ta taaaaaaaa....




GO HOME
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livilion,

livingston 28/12/2007 11:27:45
#156 d.j.,25/12/2007 17:15:17

I thought the whole point of the campaign was to get behind the people of Lewis who want this globaly significant find returned to where it belongs.

As an exibit in London, or perhaps even in Edinburgh, it is of passing academic interest to most visitors, it being removed from its original context.

Could anyone imagine Stonehenge being removed and re-assembled in Hyde Park to where people could more easily get to see and study it?

In its correct context, housed on Lewis, this collection could be a hugely important asset to that community and a jewel in the crown for ambitious plans to further develop the cultural infrastructure of the Western Isles.

I for one commend the First Minister for lending his support to these initiatives. I believe it is about time more of our elected representatives in Scotland did so too.



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livilion,

livingston 28/12/2007 11:48:30
#163 AM2,Glasgow
The evolving face of Unionism?

kimba restates the 1977 position, "Scotland would be an economic and cultural basket case without England"

AM2 states the 2007 position, "Scotland actually might not be an economic and cultural basket case without England, and shame on you for saying that it would"

The 2037 case? "see? we always said that Scotland would be economically and culturally revitalised by ending the formal Union with England and resuming the responsibility for running her own affairs"

Eh no?
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Cathie Christie,

Arroyo Grande 30/12/2007 03:28:09
Copies of the Lewis Chessmen have been copied for several years...I purchased a set for my husband 18 yrs ago in the gift shop of Oxford University. My son who lives in Berlin, not knowing we had a set, found the exact set with a beautiful chess board/table and brought it to us in California.. He read about the originals discovered in Lewis of the coast of Scotland, the land of our birth, but now live in California...so we have two now. Anybody interested purchasing one?

 
  

 
 

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