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Published Date: 20 November 2008
SIR Tom McKillop, the chairman of Royal Bank of Scotland, will today declare that he is "profoundly sorry" that the once all-powerful financial Leviathan has been brought to its knees amid the storm of the global financial crisis.
Sir Tom will apologise to shareholders, customers and the bank's staff for taking the institution from a position of record profits of more than £10 billion to being forced to seek a humiliating £20 billion government bail-out in less than a year.


His dramatic act of public contrition will be seen as an attempt to draw a line under the events of the few months in which the once invincible financial giant moved from world-beater to the verge of collapse. It is understood that Sir Tom decided that it was appropriate to make the apology in his speech to the shareholders' meeting today in Edinburgh, which is set to formally approve the move to take the government's funds.

As chairman, he is legally responsible to the shareholders of the company, which is likely to end up being owned by the government as a result of the bail-out plan. It is understood that Sir Tom is planning to say that his apology is being issued both at a personal level and in his capacity as chairman of the bank.

Sir Tom is expected to go on to say that he is acutely aware that the more than 100,000 staff worldwide – with 9,000 based in Edinburgh – have not just worked hard for the institution, but also invested their own money in it.

In encouraging them to do so, the chairman is planning to say that he, other members of the board and the senior management feel a heavy responsibility. Many RBS staff, including those based at the bank's global headquarters in Gogarburn, Edinburgh, will have lost tens of thousands of pounds – and some much more – as the share price plummeted over the past year.

Sir Tom's use of the phrase "profoundly sorry" marks him out among his peers.

Very few senior bankers have used the "s" word is such an unqualified manner when they have explained the problems their institutions have encountered as a result of the credit crunch.

In August, after the bank announced a £691 million half-year loss – the first in recent history – Sir Fred Goodwin, the chief executive, who earned £4.2 million a year, did not apologise.

Sir Fred said: "It has been a chastening experience and reporting a pre-tax loss of £691 million is something I and my colleagues regret very much."

At the same time, Sir Tom said the board was "deeply disappointed to be announcing such results and apologise for the pain this has caused our shareholders".

Earlier this month, Sir Tom said the decision to go to the government for funds was reached "with considerable regret" as the board recognised the impact it would have on shareholders.

Today's words are aimed far wider than just the shareholders and will be interpreted as an attempt by the outgoing "old guard" at the bank to signal the end of an era.

As chairman, he has promised to stand down in April, but Sir Fred – who took the bank from a relatively small regional institution to, at one point, being one of the five largest banks in the world – will stand down go tomorrow. He is being replaced by Stephen Hester, the former chief executive of British Land, who will also be at today's meeting as a member of the RBS board.

Mr Hester has instigated a root-and-branch review of all the bank's operations – a process that is likely to result in the sales of assets and a significant number of job losses.

Sir Fred is likely to face hostile questioning from small shareholders angry at the massive decline in the bank's share price.

The meeting, at the Church of Scotland general assembly hall on the Mound in Edinburgh, is expected to pass two resolutions required under law to allow the issuing of new shares.

RBS is formally trying to raise the £20 billion from shareholders at an offer price of 65.5p. However, the deal is underwritten by the government, and with its current share price at just over 42p, few shareholders are likely to take up the offer.

This will leave the government to take up £15 billion of ordinary shares and £5 billion preference shares, which would give it first call on any profits the bank makes. The bank has warned it is likely to make a substantial loss when it announces its annual results in February.

Earlier this month, RBS announced it is to cut 3,000 jobs.

PROFILE

THE son of an Ayrshire miner who rose to become chairman of one of the world's biggest banks, Sir Thomas Fulton Wilson McKillop has been called "a born achiever".

Trained as a chemist, he rose through the pharmaceutical company AstraZeneca to become its chief executive.

He served five years on the board of Lloyds TSB and was involved in its acquisition of Scottish Widows. He became chairman of RBS in 2006.

In April, he said he was "pretty confident" that the £12 billion rights issue would rebalance the bank's finances.

Last month he announced would take early retirement from his £750,000-a-year job.





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1

Tris,

20/11/2008 00:21:06
Bless him. He's said he's sorry. So that's ok then.

All these "sirhoods"... sir Tom and sir Fred, doubtless for services to banking, are, as Spunky said, a sick joke. If the government hadn't already devalued the honours by selling them, they would certainly be dishonoured by these people who have managed a huge company into the ground.

At least, however, we are managing to keep the head office of this one in Edinburgh... at least for the moment. Perhaps Brown will soon find a way to move it to London, and close down the financial secotor in Edinburgh all together.
2

the.ally ,

max. 20/11/2008 00:43:29
Would this apology be, well, as we say, contrite?

Am I right in thinking that Sir Tom has family in Scotland.

Am I right in saying he's realised that sleeping with the beast, and living with his family amount to two very very different worlds?

Aye, like spunky said earlier, think before ye leap, ye fakey. Pity yer ain-folk have tae spend yir muny.

Laughing-boy Brown-the-Clown doesn't own the world; he disnae even know what he's doin'. Now what made ye think tae sleep wi' beasts like him?

allymax.
3

Shamus,

Glasgow 20/11/2008 01:22:09
6# Do not be so silly. He is laughing all the way to the bank. Whatever bank(s) that is, is his.
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20/11/2008 01:25:40
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Dark Lochnagar,

20/11/2008 01:34:09
Amen to that Mapkaz.
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Shamus,

Glsgow 20/11/2008 01:44:30
8# & 9# The man is a clever banker. Wake up.
7

SkeptikScot,

20/11/2008 01:44:41
"Sorry I lost £691 million" he said. If only that was all he lost I'd dance a jig. Do we still do hanging in chains or was that the eighteenth century?
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Shamus,

Glasgow 20/11/2008 02:03:23
11# He did not personally lose £691 million.
9

Navvy,

20/11/2008 03:06:30
better late than never?

so late that one wonders why now?

the arrogance of these men!
10

Bzzzz,

Edinburgh 20/11/2008 03:47:18
Part of Scotlands hisory, needs to be preserve, and properly.

Don't let the union take yer money
11

Mallory,

Edinburgh 20/11/2008 05:59:32
Amazing how that after mega failings all these 'clever bankers' simply move on t the next lucrative directorship.

RBS and HBOS crowd failed, their shareholders, their staff and their customers big time.

Very little to do with England v Scotland but very much to do with ego, stupidity and greed.

I think Richard1's above comments are very prescient.

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Glasgow Expat,

Proud Short Seller 20/11/2008 06:05:11
Think it might be time to BUY RBS shares now. The "sorry's" and contrition always come near the bottom. The "private roads to the airport" always come near the top.
13

Ninian Reid,

Edinburgh 20/11/2008 06:21:57
The Colinton branch of the RBS is still my favourite bank - by a mile; friendly, efficient and hugely helpful. Oh, and about that overdraft?
14

Migrant,

Melbourne 20/11/2008 06:32:35
"Plus ca change, plus c'est la meme chose"
As a young investment student, in the 1960's I was advised to sell the shares in any company which owned an executive jet,(or fleet) or over-indulged its senior management.
Reward for a job well done , was a job tomorrow. The penalty for failure was not a "Golden handshake", but a quiet "goodbye, DCM"(Don't come Monday)
Hopefully the present crisis will see a return to these values.
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Rick2,

It's something at least ... 20/11/2008 06:55:50
Genuine or not, at least Sir McKillop knows what he ought to say. It has seemingly not occured to even one of the bottom feeding yankee sleaze that caused all this that contrition, real or otherwise, might be appropriate. Count your blessings over there ... at least you have civility.
16

The Glasgow Ranger,

Edinburgh 20/11/2008 07:49:53
They`ve both made a pile of money and are more than financially comfortable for their rest of their lives.

A hollow promise.

The smug Goodwin will no doubt pop up in some overpaid "consultancy" role.
17

FISHWICK,

Berwick upon Tweed 20/11/2008 08:03:12
This is all about greed and corruption. With their vision and judgement clouded, Goodwin and Johnny Cameron, encouraged by an equally negligent board, thought they had found the perfect bubble. The debt-ridden and fraud-laden derivatives re-packaged as "risk-free" securities formed a bubble so big and so complex it could only be unravelled by the collapse of the whole financial system...........
The corollary of this is that the banking fraternity had created an unsustainable situation which would ensure that inevitable collapse.
Anyone with half a brain knew that this glorified chain letter would fail as all chain letters do.
Did the board also know this, but thought they would be galloping over the hill with the dosh before the proverbial stuff hit the fan - or are they just plain stupid - and greedy and corrupt?
18

Jambo Dave,

Edinburgh 20/11/2008 08:08:51
20/Agreed the captain should go down with the ship.This means they hand back all the bonuses and profits gained in the last 5 years,now thats being sorry.
However he will be sorry on his boat in the sun while my daughter and son in law who work for the bank will have to wait and see if they have a job by the end of next year.
The clowns should be stoned at the meeting today.
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FISHWICK,

berwick upon tweed 20/11/2008 08:09:02
Anyone with 500k in RBS shares in 2002 would now have assets of c.30k! Even worse, had they also borrowed 100k to buy their rights issue this spring @ 2.00 per share they would now have total shares worth c.50k - plus an overdraft of 100k! Urghhh!!!!!!
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Rambo.the.Jambo,

Sunny Tollcross 20/11/2008 08:32:37
At their height RBOS shares last year were £14.00.

Now they are worth 42p??

What about the ordinary bank workers who participated in a shares scheme, did RBOS run one of these?
21

JayJay,

Right here 20/11/2008 08:58:18
I am sorry, but something smells awfully bad here. How can you make a profit of £10bn one year, then suggest that the following year's results will show a "substantial loss"? It really makes you wonder if all those record profits were in fact thin air. And where were the mighty firm of accountants who audited last year's figures? Or indeed this year's interims? One would expect, after such a dramatic turnaround, the accountants would have something to say about their performance last year?
We have this bizarre system in this country where auditors pass accounts without comment, boards reward themselves with grotesque salary and benefits packages, institutions roll over and vote whichever way the wind blows, regulators get paid fortunes to find "nothing to see here" and, when the smelly stuff hits the fan, no-one is prepared to own up to their own ineptitude, and the small shareholder has to bend over and take it.
Of course, the auditor can swiftly move from audit to insolvency, with nary a blush (PWC is receiver on Lehmans even though they audited Northern Rock!!!), the Board can move on to similarly remunerated posts because they are great guys, the FSA can get new powers that will be just as ineffective and the rest of us can pay for it for a generation.
What is Brown, Saviour of the Universe, doing to deal with the systemic failure that is at the core of all this? Well he is encouraging us to spend more! What a plum!
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Warden An' All, Reborn,

20/11/2008 09:00:01
Imagine what a fine mess we would have been in if we had been independent right now. Nationalist at the ready, begging bowls ready. Please mister can I have some more.
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Voice of reason,

EDINBURGH 20/11/2008 09:06:21
Is it a coincidence that the two worst affected banks in the UK are Scottish ??
24

John south of Soutra,

20/11/2008 09:08:08
#28 - we are in a fine mess you plum, this govt is up to it's neck in hock so I don't see how it could be any worse
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The Federalist (the poster formerly know as NAUON),

20/11/2008 09:12:34
If he is really sorry he should resign.
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Elephant,

Linlithgow 20/11/2008 09:16:34
#29
Except the two worst, Rock & B&B are now nationalised.
The point is all banks that transformed themselves from prudent lenders to risk chasers are doomed. The annoying thing is that the good ones have been dragged into a mire. I understand why RBS & HBOS shares should be worthe pennies, but £1 for Lloyds - who'd have believed that a year ago! I'm heading for the building society...
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The Strategist,

20/11/2008 09:25:27
#28

Yes I can imagine exactly how it would have been if we'd been independent.

Firstly both HBOS and RBS would be considerably smaller because they wouldn't have been encouraged or bullied into growing like topsy and buying up everthing that moved by large institutional shareholders based mainly in the City of London.

Ergo it's less likely they would have been in the mess they're in now but in any event the Scottish economy would have been much more balanced with a higher level of product devt and manufacturing.

Plus of course the biggest benefit would have been Scotland's oil fund.
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Doh,

20/11/2008 09:26:28


I am very sorry I have lost all your money.
But you will be pleased to know I made a fortune
in bonuses during the credit boom.

yrs,

Sir Goldenparachute
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Mallory,

Edinburgh 20/11/2008 09:30:26
Rick2 (#19) refers to ...bottom feeding yankee sleaze...
Was he referring to the RBS North American Adventure with its the purchase of sub-prime lending assets or was he referring to the Enron affair?

RBS seemed quite happy to get it's hand dirty in the '90's. Google Inner City Press for more...
30

Alberto.,

20/11/2008 09:30:58
It all sounds like something taken from the 'Politicians guide on what to say when failure seems to raise its head!' - A booklet no doubt currently almost in hourly use by New Labour, obviously, with a 'sub-section' entitled 'How to create failure - Profitably!!'
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The Federalist (the poster formerly know as NAUON),

20/11/2008 09:31:07
#33 With the SNP's current economic policy, we would still have no control over our currency and monetary policy as we would be reliant on the pound and, implicitly, the Bank of England. Also, it seems that we would still have regulation carried out by the Financial Services Authority.

Salmond has argued that the SNP would have regulated far more tightly but the evidence seems to be lacking. Ignoring the issue of who would be the regulator, it seems, if one considers his previous statements regards attracting financial institutions to a post-independence Scotland, that a post-independent Scotland would either have the same regulation as the rest of the UK or even less regulation.

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The Federalist (the poster formerly know as NAUON),

20/11/2008 09:33:17
#33 "Plus of course the biggest benefit would have been Scotland's oil fund."

The usual "but we've got oil" response - the panacea to all our problems. Thing is though that even with production at maximum output as it is right now we don't make enough of surplus to pay for all of Alex Salmond's wishlist.

Much has been made of Grant Thornton's analysis that a surplus of $4.4 billion could be generated. Grant Thornton's analysis is based on oil at $120 a barrel. Latest analysis with oil at $75 a barrel puts Scotland £1 billion in the red.

Relying on oil to fund the deficit is a dangerous route in my opinion - a post-independent Scotland should have to implement policies that make it a success whether or not there is oil. Oil revenues should be seen as a bonus.

Even taking Thornton's original £4.4 billion surplus - sounds great at first - until you realise that Norway has a surplus of £44 million in the current year.

The reason for this difference is not only the higher taxes and lower public expenditure that the Norwegians have but also the fact that they still have a substantial stake in the extraction of North Sea Oil through the state-owned Statoil.

Unless there were a radical overhaul in fiscal policy in Scotland as well as a major restructuring of the oil industry any talk of building up a petroleum fund on par with Norway's is pure fantasy.
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Alan B,

20/11/2008 09:46:06
The person that should be really saying sorry for this mess is Brown. He is the one that has wrecked the economy. He is the one elected to manage the economy on our behalf ensure stability in the financial sector.
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Alan B,

20/11/2008 09:49:48
#The Federalist

" we would still have no control over our currency and monetary policy"

That would largely be true if we joined the euro. However joining the euro still is the right thing to do for scotlands economy.
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20/11/2008 10:00:24
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20/11/2008 10:05:52
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Satire above all,

20/11/2008 10:16:38
Time for Scotland to create a new independent bank!
38

Westfield Bairns,

falkirk 20/11/2008 10:40:17
28
Imagine what a fine mess we would have been in if we had been independent right now. Nationalist at the ready, begging bowls ready. Please mister can I have some more.

Obviously this poster has access to the internet in his padded cell.

I could imagine we would be in a better state as an Independent Scotland than a bancrupt UK
43
I agree
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Chris,

Edinburgh 20/11/2008 10:41:01
I haven't seen an apology from the two numpties at HBoS, only a statement from Lloyd's TSB that Hornby will receive £60,000 per month to show them where he went wrong.
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Sparky,

Hamilton 20/11/2008 10:41:17
A financial advisor told me to buy as many shares as possible back in August 07.
They were £6.52 each.
Last I looked they were 44p.
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Alan B,

20/11/2008 10:44:01
#Hugh Roscombe

Well reminded good post.
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noswod,

Honestas 20/11/2008 10:51:08
If your sorry Resign !
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Langenburger,

20/11/2008 10:58:20
We live in a strange world
Tom McKillop says sorry but keeps his bonus and knighthood along with Fred and also other overpaid hangers on
The good guys (and there are loads of them)who work there get uncertainty and job cuts
And Gordon Brown smiles because one of Alex Salmonds key foundation blocks has been destroyed and the agenda against the Tories has changed in his favour
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Dr Blockbuster aka Vince,

Tram atic location :wink: 20/11/2008 10:59:20

There seems to be alot of anger and cynicism here ...

and quite right tooooooooo!
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The Strategist,

20/11/2008 11:11:29
#37/38 The Federalist

The question was related to "if we had been independent" not "if we became independent tomorrow" so the point about whether we maintained the Pound or not is irrelevant. Similarly the point about the oil fund is irrelevant because of course if we had been independent during the period that takes in the oil boom then our oil fund would have been almost as healthy as the Norwegian one.

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It's life but not as we know it,

The Oort Clouds 20/11/2008 11:17:13
Apology my a***. I imagine it'll be along the lines of "sorry folks, I've lost all your money but if you'll excuse me, I've got another champagne reception to attend. Bye."
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Glasgow Expat,

Proud Short Seller 20/11/2008 11:17:36
#41 famous 15
Shorting is evil?? What about buying house insurance? Is that evil too? If you actually thought about what you are saying you would see that the two acts are the same.
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Sibylle,

Germany 20/11/2008 11:20:34
Peter MacMahon used a very apt figure of speech when he described the Royal Bank of Scotland as being a Leviathan brought to its knees:
The knees of a Leviathan and the sincerity of the apologies from bankers we've been hearing all around the Western world have one thing in common: they don't exist.
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W U Merchant,

Aberdeen 20/11/2008 11:25:25
Too late Sir Tom. You, along with Burt and Mathewson, are culpable.
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The Former Mr. Angry,

Perth 20/11/2008 11:48:17
Crocodile tears. At least he has apologised "profoundly", where few others have ventured. Almost as an aside at the bottom of the article he would "take early retirement from his £750,000-a-year job". On whose say-so? Having presided over a calamitous disaster for RBS employees and shareholders - and I count myself among these - where is the actual contrition, the penalty for such a devastating failure of governance? In the good times the obscene bonuses and salaries, in the bad - no penalties whatsoever, just bail out and continue the high-flying lifestyle while your employees and shareholders stare at the ruins of their investments.

I would be far more impressed if, following the contrition comes the payback of bonuses predicated on the bad securities. So how about it?

The "apology" smacks of being a ritual get-out clause.
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Walter Ego,

Durness 20/11/2008 12:08:27
56

WUM, I agree with you. They are all guilty. Thank God the Burt/Mathewson masterplan collapsed. It would have been a case of HBOS no more.
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John south of Soutra,

20/11/2008 12:17:47
#60 what do mean it would have be HBOS no more, it is HBOS no more as they will disappear into the new monster that is being created
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Glasgow Expat,

Proud Short Seller 20/11/2008 12:18:57
#57 So should we ban being able to buy house insurance for 99.9% of people because of a few people who set the house on fire in order to claim? The short sale ban has actually made the shares go down even more. Anyone in the markets will tell you that. Once they remove the short sale ban then the shares can rise.
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20/11/2008 12:21:05
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G,

dndy 20/11/2008 12:24:04
#61 - HBOS won't last out the year unless it goes for the LLoyds TSB merger OR finds another deal????
But where are the other deals? Nowhere.........
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The Federalist (the poster formerly know as NAUON),

20/11/2008 13:09:19
#66 Give me a dose of reality every time.

I have said before that the economics of independence are not the defining issue for me. That could not, I suspect, be said for the majority of the Scottish electorate. And it still is a problem for the SNP until they tighten up their post-independence economic policy.

As it stands, we still don't know in what direction they would take us. Would we take the low tax, low public expenditure Irish route? Would we go the higher tax, higher public expenditure Norwegian route? Or would it be something completely different?

From what I have seen it seems to me that the SNP's post-independence economic policy is trying to be all things to all men - lower taxes and higher public expenditure and building up an oil fund.

The last month or so has shown that economies who rely heavily on a particular natural resource suffer due to fluctuating commodity prices. Here in Scotland some are beginning to realise the fallacy of SNP economic policy that is built on the price of oil. The SNP were fine when oil prices were at a high level but now at the low price levels we have now their argument has been undermined. The SNP need to take oil out of the argument and make the case that economic independence is possible whether or not we have oil. That means they really do need to make a reassessment of their policies for a post-independence Scotland.

The truth is that if the SNP are going to win an independence referendum they have a long way to go to convince the agnostics in the electorate. They need to make a much more subtle case that the one they have made thus far.
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The Strategist,

20/11/2008 13:09:29
#65

I think the Govt has done more "cosying up" than the media.
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Voice of reason,

EDINBURGH 20/11/2008 13:26:37
A genuine apology . what a difference from the Govt - when do you ever hear Labour saying sorry for the mess they created through their deliberate lies over the real state of the economy which doubtless resulted in the gullible public stacking up more debt thinking things were rosy ? I stated on another board a few years ago that the UK would be bankrupt and oh , the fun the left poked at me .
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Justaladdie,

somewhere out there 20/11/2008 13:26:52
Get a grip. All this "outrage" that the senior RBS banker should have the temerity to only offer an apology instead of dousing himself in petrol and setting himself alight on the steps of RBS HQ. Are you people living in the real world?

You buy shares in a company in the hope that they will increase in value so you can make a profit but the "gamble" is they may go down. That's the way it is and always has been. People are employed to manage the company to try to maximise profit but sometimes they fail, for a whole host of reasons. Failed companies then result in job loses. It's a fact of life that has been repeated for centuries. It's not some extraordinary set of circumstances that has never happened before. If there was no posiibility that companies could fail then there wouldn't be a stock market because no-one would be selling their shares.

Wake up and smell the coffee!
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Voice of reason,

EDINBURGH 20/11/2008 13:28:58
23 - when did you tell us this was coming then ?
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Brideun,

Culloden. 20/11/2008 14:03:56
When considering buying shares of a company by parting with your hard earned after tax coppers, have a look at the top management. If they are party animals, if they always travel first class, have low golf handicaps, other company directorships, have little practical experience of their their company's business and most telling have a fountain at head office then walk away. Keep your money under the bed where it shall be much safer.
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The Strategist,

20/11/2008 14:25:11
#67 The Federalist

There is an almost direct connection between the oil price and global economic activity levels. I can assure you that almost to the millisecond that economic recovery begins the oil price will start its inexorable climb back to well over $100. In fact if the oil companies cut back now then there will be less production available at the beginning of any recovery and the oil price could overshoot dramatically.

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Davie08,

Edinburgh 20/11/2008 14:52:46
Just came out of New College library in time to see the happy campers trooping into the Assembly hall for the RBS meeting. I've seen happier funerals. BTW in the past in Edinburgh a merchant convicted of financial or any other chicanery had his ear nailed to the Tron weighbeam. Whose for bringing back that fine old Scottish tradition. Now that would be saying sorry.
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Armstrong Cowan Again,

Germany 20/11/2008 15:58:32
Being a proud new recent owner of RBS shares, the Deutsche Bank wrote to me with the amazing bargain basement offer of 65p a share and a euro exchange rate of 81p. On their live screen yesterday -having sought an interpretation in person for this incredible letter in " Fachchinesisch' roughly translated- Gobbledegook) the RBS share price was showing up at 79p. Well instead of taking up this wonderful offer I just bought them for 50 eurcents on the Xetra exhange. Do the banks never give up trying to rip off customers and shareholders alike.
Now forget the apology and hand all your bonuses back!
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G&t4me,

Stuck in Denmark!! 20/11/2008 16:46:11
Got Family working manager level in RBS heard all about bonus trips Barcelona 3k a head then NY the next year Now everybody in staff pissed off about the share price and Tom is sorry.
Never mind Tom you and Fred were not the only ones on the Gravy train with our hard earned dosh the foot soldiers also had a laugh so no need to say the S word to them. As for me well just like Northern Rock I lost there as well y pays yr money y takes yr chance!!
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Ike,

Glasgow 20/11/2008 17:35:46
Ahem:
Johnston Press plc distinguished publishers of The Scotsman:
Share price Jan 08 = 275p
Share price today = 6p
Let's all just work for the government and spy on each other!
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Ike,

Glasgow 20/11/2008 17:40:37
275 divided by 6 = 45 plus change
The Scotsman, SoS, Evening News, and our local papers all across the country are now worth just 2% what they were on Jan 2. HAPPY NEW YEAR !!!
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Martyk,

20/11/2008 19:20:07
What a day and a week of utter degradation and shame for poor Scotland. Not only our two banks ruined but they had to be rescued by the English. It really cant get any worse. Recession. Slump. Whatever. This week is the lowest it can get surely.
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20/11/2008 19:25:05
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20/11/2008 19:41:19
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Thuthukani,

USA 20/11/2008 20:00:12
The extent of the crisis has still not be told to all of us. The financial crisis is still being stage managed and until someone tells us,

Where did the money go to?

Who took the money?

To which bank was it deposited since all of them are broke?

The bailout money which is being talked about, where is it coming from?

Who will pay for it?

As all these central banks dont hold hard cash, are they just printing money, whose true value is not known?

The Leadership in the western society is not as great as we have always been told. The wealthiest people in the world are really criminals, as most of them are from Wall Street. So for a house whoich was selling for US$240000 two years ago is now worth less than half now. How is that possible, yet the repayments are still the same. It seems as if everything was built on butter and we let the temperature rise without putting the butter in the fridge. Now we blame everyone else except ourselves for greed, especially the bankers. Call them any name in the book, that wont change anything as the houses the have are all paid for, and their protofolios are still healthy, since they all bought houses somewhere in Dubai. All the bankers should lose everything just like the rest of us. That is the position which will make them bring back the money from where-ever they put it.
74

Thuthukani,

USA 20/11/2008 20:06:56
Check the UK will be changing to the Euro soon, when that happens, then you will know their agenda to gain control of everything. From grains, mines,shipping routes and anything worth having. The US$ is gone, please remember this, that we are stuck and no-one has the guts to tell it as is. Dubai is opening a new hotel, worth billions, and spending US$20 million just for the opening party. There is no need for them to come to Los Vegas any more. We are in the serious brown stuff here. China, Russia, The Middle East is where its all at now.
75

SkeptikScot,

20/11/2008 21:34:20
It's OK folks, he's sorry. So all's well.
76

Andrew Allan,

21/11/2008 11:11:59
#46.,Ugly George. Edinburgh 21/11/2008 09:31:14
‘Please look at the reality. RBS got itself into trouble with its aggressive expaqnsion plans and is now being bailed out with £20bn of taxpayers money so that it can remain in existence.
How you can portray this as unionists trying to destroy it defies all logic and reason.’

Ugly George, if you want to hide a tree where is the best place to do so? The general consensus is within a forest.
I am not saying the actions of the bank are any different to you, what I am saying is the very actions you are talking about over this last year were peculiar with the expected down turn. Debt under the circumstances was always going to be called in more vigorously.
It was like calling tails when you knew the coin to be flipped was a double header.
It was an ideal situation then to destroy the rock solid reputation of one of the world’s largest banking organizations. It could even be said to be an action to reiterate, in symbolic terms, the dubious reasoning behind the instigation of the original act of union.
You asked how I could portray this as unionists trying to destroy. The answer is as soon as the SNP Government got into power, and some would say from the elections which brought them to power, a number of Scots started throwing themselves onto their swords. Remember the officials from football and golf allegedly coming out with racial slurs? These were areas which would affect the good name of Scotland. These people were unionists, so why wouldn’t the head of RBS fall on his sword to, as he might see it, support the continuation of the union. Is it totally out of the question?

 

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