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Published Date:
10 March 2008
MEMBERS of the public are not getting access to important information about their public services because private contractors are exempt from Freedom of Information legislation, the Scottish Information Commissioner claimed yesterday.
Kevin Dunion will publish his annual report today, but yesterday he told The Scotsman there were still major gaps in the law preventing people getting information they should be entitled to.

Mr Dunion wants ministers to change the law and bring pr
ivate companies working in the public sector under the scope of the Freedom of Information Act.

An increasing number of private corporations have become involved in the delivery of public services through the Public Private Partnership scheme.

Gordon Brown has started a consultation for England and Wales on ways to bring them under the scope of Freedom of Information legislation but, as yet, the Scottish Government has not done the same.

Mr Dunion believes all of these private companies should now be covered by the act, as well as housing associations.

He said: "I am talking here about a 30-year monopolistic contract, covering the entire running of a public establishment from the planning of it through to its day-to-day operation. That sort of information should be in the public domain.

"If it was a hospital, you could be born in it, have your tonsils out in it and give birth to your children in it, but you would not have access to information about its operation.

"Another area I am interested in is social housing. I do think things like the Glasgow Housing Association should be covered. If you have a tenant in a council house you have a right under Freedom of Information to information about your landlord, but not if you are in a housing association.

"They want to know about waiting lists, about the cost of work done on their behalf, whether the landlord got a good deal."

Mr Dunion added: "The contractors should be covered within the act. There is an enormous amount of information which the public had a right to but which now they are prevented from accessing."

The commissioner said other countries had solved this problem by making sure that public authorities held all the relevant information from private companies working on their behalf.

Other administrations had designated private companies as public authorities as far as the legislation was concerned, if they took over public contracts.

A spokesman for the Scottish Government said: "The matter of extending the scope of the Freedom of Information Scotland Act to cover additional bodies is under active consideration."

Mr Dunion's report shows that he has had to deal with almost 1,000 appeals in the last three years following the refusal of Scottish ministers and councils to provide information.

There has been a total of 677 applications regarding local authorities between the start of 2005 and the end of 2007.

And there have been 267 applications regarding the previous Scottish Executive and the current Scottish Government.

City council tops commissioner's 'league of shame'

DUNDEE City Council is the worst-performing public body in terms of the Freedom of Information Act, according to a report published today.

The annual report of the Scottish Information Commissioner, Kevin Dunion, reveals the local authority has been served with 12 information notices in the past three years.

These notices are issued by the commissioner when a public authority refuses to hand over information, is investigated and found to be in breach of the legislation, and is then required by the commissioner to make the material available.

There have been only 76 information notices handed down to all public bodies in Scotland over the past three years, so Dundee's dozen notices represent 15 per cent of all those served – more than the Scottish Government, which has been served with ten notices.

A spokesman for Dundee City Council said: "It is our belief that we are operating within the legislation."



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  • Last Updated: 09 March 2008 9:43 PM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Freedom of information
 
1

Angus Ogg,

09/03/2008 22:34:48
The Freedom of Information (Scotland) Act 2002 is one of the most important pieces of legislation for decades.

It has the ability to hand back information that belongs to the public.

For example, for the sake of a little self eduction and understanding, and out of simple interest try emailing the following.....

"Dear Dundee City Council,

Under the Freedom of Information Act, please can you send me a Summary List of all Freedom of Information enquiries that you have received since 1st January 2007 ? For the avoidance of doubt, I do NOT require any personal information or data, just a simple list, with the date each enquiry was received, a one line description of the nature of each enquiry, and whether you responded within the statutory time limits?

I look forward to you replying to my enquiry within the statutory 20 day time limit. Thankyou. Yours faithfully.... "

Just email this to.....


foi@dundeecity.gov.uk

2

subrosa,

10/03/2008 00:29:35
# 1 I shall try that Angus. Have tried twice in the past to get simple information from Dundee and been given the old chestnut of Data Protection as the excuse.
3

Alberto.,

10/03/2008 07:44:34
To think we pay our Politicians fantastically high salaries and expenses, for this kind of inept management of our affairs and concerns, while many of the electorate are still trying to exist at poverty level, having to make such vitally important financial decisions for themselves as choosing which luxury they want to enjoy day by day - that's 'Heating or Eating' and possibly neither may be affordable some days!

What a disgusting situation it must be for them to see the 'expensive activities' some of the Political set get up to, while some of the poorest amongst the electorate are financially suffering and wondering if they can afford either - or possibly neither, of the very limited choices they have - and how they wish they could vote on such things as how much pay and increased expenses payments they would like / want, and if they want better pensions?

It almost seems that, in the 'Club' of politics - currently, Christmas Day comes around almost on a daily basis - 'Which must be very nice' - as they say!

Lucky for some!
4

Guga II,

Rockall 10/03/2008 08:37:17
#3 We don't "pay our Politicians fantastically high salaries and expenses", that bunch of thieving, lying charlatans help themslves from the public purse, and are continually thinking up new way to steal even more.
5

Jay Kay,

10/03/2008 09:29:08
I would like to ask head of Fife Council how much money has been spent on external consultants over the cost of their own in house staff since their new head of Property took over. His philosophy of engaging more and more external consultants cannot be "best value" surely someone has to know these facts and figures, I would be very interested to learn how this is more efficient than actually employing a full time member of staff that can actually do the job.

At present the council is sending the large bulk of structural checks to Ove Arup rather than employing a full time Structural Engineer, the reason given we cant afford a Structural Engineers salary, hmmmmm however Ove Arup are charging a kings ransom for their services. I therefore would like to see a breakdown of all monies shelled out to the likes of Arups and see just how much of the Taxpayers money has been spent versus what it would cost the council to employ a full time member of staff.

Anyone know who would be the best person to write to???
6

Balliol II,

Dunbar 10/03/2008 09:55:32
I am trying to get information from BEAR Scotland about gritting/salting a trunk road where they are responsible for maintenace - so far without success. It seems that although they are resposible to Transport Scotland (part of the Scottish Government) they are not covered by Scotland's Freedom of Information Act.
So please could this be added to Kevin Dunion's list?
7

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10/03/2008 10:36:22
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8

Angus Ogg,

10/03/2008 12:10:52
#8 Tweed Mouth

You really are a rude offensive person with a chip on your shoulder.

I had a Freedom of Information request that went all the way to Appeal. Kevin Dunion ruled against me.

When I studied the text of Kevin Dunion's inquiry, one thing was clear. He went into considerable and exhaustive detail, was thorough and fair. He even concluded that had the public authority I had appealed against been more transparent and open in the first place, I would probably not have had to appeal. Whilst I was ruled against, I acccepted the findings of Kevin Dunion because he was scrupulously fair and professional.

If you care to study the man's background a little more you will find he wrote a book called "Troublemakers" of which he was clearly one. In appointing a known "troublemaker" to the post of Scottish Information Commissioner the government of the day were acting in a manner that was as beyond reproach as is possible.

After reading Kevin Dunion's book, I think his appointment as Scottish Information Commissioner was one of the more inspired decisions of the earlier Scottish Executive.

Your statement appears to me to be slanderous and if Mr Dunion reads it, he is more than welcome to cite me in any legal case against you if he so chooses.
9

Angus Ogg,

10/03/2008 12:30:52
#8 Tweedmouth,

As a follow up to your post, you ask if I have noticed any "dramatic improvement in Freedom of Information " and then cite MSP's expenses.

The answer is a resounding "yes" I have noticed an improvement. Firstly in the publication of MSP expenses which is the envy of our counterparts in England and Wales. Our Westminster MP's are being dragged kicking and screaming up to a standard of thorough declaration that is the case in Scotland. There is a huge difference in FOISA/FOI requirements between Scotland and England, between MSP's and MP's. That is fact. So you are wrong.

With regard to the more general question, as one who has made many enquiries under FOISA/FOI on both sides of the Border, I have found the Scottish Freedom of Information system far more advanced and with much better case law building up, than the English/Welsh ccounterparts.

The Scottish system may not be perfect, but it is far better than the English system.

Your cpomments about the Scottish Information Commissioner are way out of order, so I have three questions for you?

Who are you?

Do you have an interest to declare?

Why are you so angry?
10

Daibhidh,

Edinburgh 10/03/2008 13:02:05
While I fully agree with the principles of the FoISA, the public must be amde aware of the huge financial burden dealing with and meeting FoI requests is placing on them. A huge amount of officer time is now being spent of processing FoI requests, rather than getting on with their jobs.

Yes, FoI is a great thing, but as with everything else, the financial support is just not being provided so, along with all the other red tape public boadies have to deal with, FoI just slows everything down...

...more moneny and more staff required now!
11

Daibhidh,

Edinburgh 10/03/2008 13:03:44
'them' = public bodies...
12

IainA,

Edinburgh 10/03/2008 14:03:00
I completely agree with Kevin Dunions' points about public private partnerships being accountable under FOI. It would be salutory for the advocates of privatisation of public services to see by just how much the British taxpayer is being ripped off. This, of course is just during the lifetime of the contract, let alone counting the costs of paying for the buildings when the term comes to an end.

Then of course there is the further scandal of management consultancy. For a good overview of that, may I suggest "Plundering the Public Sector" by David Craig and Richard Brooks. The costs of this are frequently considered to be not in the public interest or too expensive to collate for an FOI request (usually because of the...inventive...billing systems used by the Management consultancies).
13

Pushkin,

10/03/2008 14:15:34
9. Angus. I'm intrigued by your comments.
The commissioner turned down your appeal, yet stated that if the authority had been more open you shouldnt have had to appeal? Does that mean he thinks they should have given it to you? If thats the case, why didnt he rule in your favour?
Its seems a little odd.
Also, in post 1, that seems a reasonable request. I cant imagine they would turn it down, but can i assume that they have?
14

Angus Ogg,

10/03/2008 15:46:40
#11 Daibhidh,

I agree with what you write, but would you not agree that a lot of people are regaining an interest in how their council's and government work by FOISA ? Given that a lot of resources are being spent elsewhere on re-engaging the electorate and trying to boost the numbers that actually vote, is it not a good thing that people are learning to educate themselves as to how public bodies work?

I also take your point that it can take time and resources, and recently I have learnt to appreciate the effort made, and hopefully expressed that appreciation in the non-statutory requirement of sending a "thankyou" card to the very helpful officials involved.

Best regards. A.
15

Angus Ogg,

10/03/2008 15:55:56
#14 Pushkin,

My original request was refused and went to external appeal, where the public authourity completely changed the original grounds for refusal. During the external appeal to the Scottish Information Commissioner was very thorough, and indicated that had the public authority been a little clearer on their ultimate reason for refusal in the first place, I would have understaood why they refused.

The Commissioner was spot on. The fact of the matter was that the public authority realised that the earlier grounds were likely to be overturned so went to a different tack of refusal, (from merely commercial grounds, to that of security grounds). I think the commissioner saw through that ruse and made his summary comments as a pointed way of letting the public authority know to behave a little more openly in the future.
16

Miss H,

10/03/2008 17:58:41
yes that is a great idea Angus Ogg. Make sure the staff are tied up with meaningless requests so they can't get the meaningful ones done in time.

Great thinking there.
17

Why Are 400,000 Leaving The UK Each Year ?,

10/03/2008 19:39:19
#17

I take it you work for the council or a public authority ?

There is nothing meaningless about making such a request. The council should have the list readily to hand. I pay a small fortune in council tax, business rates, fuel tax, vat, travel ticket tax, airport tax, vat on the fuel tax, capital gains tax, water tax, environmental disposal tax, import tax, inheritance tax, and all the rest of the taxes.

It is little enough to ask that some faceless beaurocrat lets me have a list of the questions being asked of them so I too can work out why the Scottish Information Commissioner has "named and shamed" Dundee City Council as the WORST council in Scotland for dealing with what is actually the law. The rest of us have to obey the law and pay plenty in taxes for it. Why should those paid exclusively and totally from those taxes not have to be a little bit transparent?

If we have to obey the law, then Miss H., so should you and your cooncil cronies.

 

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