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Published Date: 10 June 2008
CANNABIS should be legalised and taxed, an influential Scottish think tank recommended yesterday, just weeks after the Government hardened its attitude towards the drug, reclassifying it as a class B substance.
The Scottish Futures Forum yesterday published a report on drugs and alcohol in Scotland, saying one way to tackle the problem of addiction to harder drugs was to tax and regulate cannabis.

Forum chairman Frank Pignatelli said studies of San Franc
isco, where cannabis is illegal, and the Netherlands, where it is decriminalised, showed that the idea is worth considering because it breaks the link with class A drugs. In the Netherlands, only 17 per cent of cannabis sellers were also selling drugs such as crack, cocaine and heroin, while in San Francisco it was more than 50 per cent.

The idea was one of several aimed at halving drug addiction in Scotland by 2025.

This included introducing shooting galleries, where heroin addicts can go and take drugs in supervised surroundings, as revealed in yesterday's Scotsman.

The forum's vice-chairman, Tom Wood, former deputy chief constable of Lothian and Borders, said that there are "no easy options" and insisted that a different and sometimes uncomfortable approach was needed to tackle Scotland's drug problems.

He said: "Where we are now is living in a country where there is one of the highest prevalences for drugs.

"We're living in a country where we have the highest drug death rate, we're living in a country which has one of the highest hep C rates in Europe. So we're hardly in a good place now. A lot of the things we've done in the past clearly have not worked and so we have to move, and I think we are moving in the right direction, but we have to move quite radically."

Just last month the Home Office announced it was reclassifying cannabis to class B, reversing a decision in 2004 to lower it to class C.

The decision was made because stronger forms of cannabis such as skunk are becoming more readily available and there is new evidence linking the drug to psychiatric problems.

Both the Home Office and the Scottish Government have made it clear that they do not support the idea of legalisation.

The community safety minister Fergus Ewing, who last week unveiled a new drugs strategy, welcomed upgrading cannabis to class B.

There were two failed efforts to open cannabis cafés in Edinburgh. Scottish Socialist Party member Kevin Williamson almost bankrupted himself trying to open one in Haymarket and Paul Stewart was forced to quit for Amsterdam after being fined for selling cannabis at his café Purple Haze in Leith.

The forum's suggestion has been welcomed by the Legalise Cannabis Alliance UK, which claimed Scotland is leading the way on the issue.

Don Barnard, a spokesman, said: "The Scots seem to have been taking a more mature view and I hope the recommendation is taken seriously."

The idea has also been backed by the Greens. Patrick Harvie, MSP, said: "The current approach to criminalising drug users has been one of the most obvious failures of social policy over the last 50 years, and the Futures Forum should be thanked for their efforts to move the debate on. We broadly welcome their report."

But the Scottish Tory leader Annabel Goldie, who persuaded the SNP to produce a drugs strategy as part of a deal on supporting its budget, described the forum's report as "flawed".

She added: "The taxing and regulation of cannabis is akin to legalisation. This will not decrease use of this extremely harmful substance. Fortunately the long-term consequences of cannabis usage are now universally acknowledged and there is a consensus at Westminster that the damaging downgrading of cannabis to a class C substance should be reversed."



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  • Last Updated: 10 June 2008 2:10 PM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Drugs policy
 
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Allan(handofgod137),

10/06/2008 00:12:30
Worth considering, prohibition's failed totally.
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Highland Mighty,

10/06/2008 00:32:09
1. Yep. Legalise cannabis and we can all watch Scotland go down the plughole.

Genius.
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Conan the Librarian™,

10/06/2008 00:45:03
"The taxing and regulation of cannabis is akin to legalisation. This will not decrease use of this extremely harmful substance. Fortunately the long-term consequences of cannabis usage are now universally acknowledged"

Alcohol is an extremely harmful substance.
If you fall in a vat of it, you can die.
Or drink too much of it,too often.

Tobacco is an extremely harmful substance.

"Consequences of tobacco usage are now universally acknowledged"...

Annabel; wheesht.

I thought you might be the "acceptable face of Toryism"...





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Conan the Librarian™,

10/06/2008 00:50:18
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And most police resources are targeted at drug related crime and speeders.(Not the drug related crime)

So what is your solution Highland?
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Nikostratos,

10/06/2008 01:55:17
free canabis for all............next
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Scullion,

Canada 10/06/2008 02:06:31
While I agree with the legalization of marijuana, it can't be compared to alcohol in its effects. I can have one beer with dinner and operate normally, after one joint however, most people, including myself, are a giggly mess.
Still, I've never seen anyone violent on cannabis and the amount of money spent on trying to restrict it is absurd.
By the way, marijuana is not the gateway drug. Alcohol is by far the most popular way people are introduced to altered states of consciousness (or unconsciousness).
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KampungHighlander,

Jakarta 10/06/2008 03:08:35
It looks like one of the additional benifits of Independence will be reformed drug laws rather than the failed policies of the past.

The focus on criminalizing Drug use has done nothing to reduce its prevelance and has only served to make some very unsavoury charecters (Drug Dealers) rich.

Perhaps it is finally time to take a reasoned approach based on harm reduction and treatment for those who are addicted.
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Anonym,

(-_-) 10/06/2008 07:26:47
Of course, there are also experts who say cannabis should remain illegal, or be reclassified, or researched more, or blah blah blah, for ever.

What a bore.

# 2, the plughole you refer to exists entirely in your imagination, and has no bearing on reality whatsoever.
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Richardinho,

10/06/2008 07:30:20
Cannabis isn't legal? I've never had any difficulties getting hold of it!
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Anonym,

10/06/2008 07:35:37
# 8, you wrote, "There is a clinical correlation between cannabis use and psychotic/paranoid behaviour."

Are you sure about this correlation? I thought the statistics and research showed cannabis varieties getting stronger, and being consumed by greater numbers, but that incidences of schizophrenia remain stable.

Remember the one-liner, "Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they're NOT out to get you!"?

Is there a point at which paranioa becomes psychosis? How are these things measured?
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Scotindy,

Los Angeles 10/06/2008 07:48:57
I thought Annabelle Goldie was on drugs!!!!!!
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Anonym,

10/06/2008 08:11:50
Not likely McMadman #16. There must have been loads of research done over the years. Alcohol is socially acceptable, and very very popular. Tobacco is less so, but very very addictive, and both provide tax revenues far in excess of what could likely be raised from cannabis.

Objectivity is a problem too. I notice you say, "excessive alcholism... etc". When does borderline alcoholism become moderate alcoholism, and then excessive alcoholism?

Take a look at the Government's so called sensible drinking guidelines. Few drinkers take them seriously!

Perhaps you should change your name to McSane? :-)
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Anonym,

10/06/2008 08:28:29
#15, No, Annabelle Goldie's speciality is spouting off about how drugs are a massive scourge and menace to society, etc, but I'll bet she likes a glass of wine now and then.
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Boy Wonder,

10/06/2008 08:52:11
For an illegal substance, there's lots of it about. And of course, you can smell it outside virtually most pubs these days!
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2dogs in D.C.,

10/06/2008 09:23:15
Smoking anything can harm you. Make brownies with it.
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Miss H,

10/06/2008 09:52:04
8 - There may be a relationship but that does not mean that cannabis causes these conditions. On the other hand we KNOW that alcohol causes a number of life threatening conditions but it is still legal. There is no logic to that and in the long run it is not a sustainable position.

In any case I suspect that all the debate about the classification of cannabis is pointless and makes no difference to the actual level of use.
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wally banana,

glas vegas 10/06/2008 09:52:05
cannabis IS a gateway drug due to it's illegality. It is like many things, get your foot in the door and you gradually force it open for a bigger and better bonus. The fact that you are forced to commit a crime to purchase or obtain and then use cannabis then allows the thought that " ha well, that's breaking one law, what's another little one". Apart from nicking alcohol and violence, there is generally not a lot of crime from alcoholics to procure their drug of choice. DT's are pretty severe and can kill you, heroin withdrawal is severe but doesn't kill. Is it perhaps the ILLEGALITY of the substance that then breaks down the door for further illegal behaviour.

Lets tightly regulate all substances, that is centralised government run distribution, no advertising whatsoever and in generic packaging. You can go in and ask for a bourbon type whisky or a heroin lite and as long as you are over age and have done an introductory course, you can access whatever you like.

This would also have an effect of freeing up 1/2 of our prisons which could then be filled with anyone who exhibit's negative behaviour from substance use or who supplys underage people. Substance use should not be illegal but negative behaviours, related to using, that impact on other people should have the full weight of the law thrown at them with significant punishment attached. This would bring social change because everyone could sign up to it, not just the non illicit drug users.
There you go, a cooks tour of regulation and changing society.
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Miss H,

10/06/2008 09:58:40
22 I have never understood the gateway argument. The fact that a small number of people go on from smoking dope to taking heroin does not mean that one causes the other. I have smoked dope, so has everybody I know. It would be hard to find anybody under the age of 50 who has not been offered it or tried it. But I don't know anyone who committed a crime to buy it. Of course I went to uni in the days when you still got a grant. And didn't have the threat of a local income tax looming. There's another argument for Labour - under the SNP's evil plans for a local income tax students will be forced to commit crime to get their dope.
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ddmc,

10/06/2008 10:22:36
the antidrug industry, moral & medical gangs will be overruled by the lure of the potential £billions in tax revenue ganja can generate.

#2 Holland doesn't seem to suffer, especially after last nights education in football, maybe a J brought out the creative qualities.

#7 1 in 4 suffer mental health problems, but it's safe to say that ganja abuse can exaserbate some peoples underlying condition

#20 vapourise

#22 breaking the link between the dealer who sells class A,B & C drugs from ordinary punters who fancy a toke, this has been proven by the decriminalisation in Holland. This is what is really meant by 'gateway' the cack the anti-drugs industry peddle would have you believe if you try ganja you will automatically be a crack wh_ore the following week

There have been 2 or 3 senior police who have advocated decriminalisation as a way to free up resources to focus on class A's.

Hemp & cannibus are our friends, used for paper, cloth, fuel, can anyone remind me why it was made illegal ?, wouldnt have been anything to do with the lobbying by wood pulp (paper), cotton, oil & pharmacutecal companies, for a drug which the US DEA declare has no medical properties why do they manufacture marinol & other synthetic THC's

A sensible approach would be to allow possession of 7.5 (or a quarter for the old fashioned) grams of hash/weed, also you should be allowed to grow 2-4 plants for personal use. You still get people busted in Holland for growing & distributing, it's only coffee shops who get to keep <500 grams in the shop.

Legalise, Regulate & unfortunatly tax
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Horrible Cankers at the Cyber Shebeen,

10/06/2008 10:26:35
Cannibis is here, it aint going away and we should be mature enough to recognise that and approach the issue sensibly....decriminilise it for chroist's sake...what is the cost involved to us because of its current classification?...police manpower...courts (people carrying dope for themselves)..its crazy that cops should be stuck indoors writing up reports for cannabis offences when there are people being chibbed all over the place....and what of the people who buy it for medicinal reasons....the people who grow it for medicinal reasons?....they are now criminals?...is this something to do with the pharmacutical industry?....obviously if you grow your own you have no need to buy the lab created stuff your doctor will prescribe....I know!....lets criminilise it even further and impose harsher penalties...that way Joe Bloggs will think twice before medicating himself...

Drug dealers are getting ritch off of our stupidity....they must be laughing all the way to the bank.....
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Jock Politicaljunkie,

Glasgow 10/06/2008 10:41:14
#25, Miss H at 09:58:40,

On your "EVIL LIT" barb - If I was a student and worked enough hours to be in the frame for paying Income Tax, I would be FAR MORE P!55ED OFF at the Labour Party's doubling of the bottom rate of Income Tax from 10% to 20% than any effect the 3% LIT may have it the future.

Who is it who's stealing from the students? - and I mean right now! - already?? - Oh, yes the london labour government!! Perspective?? Glass Houses?? Good angle of attack??

On the Cannabis story - I agree with you that the whole "gateway drug" line is just a load of tosh used when ever a Politician want to paint a hard line on Cannabis. I would NOT favour legalisation but would support a move in its status back to Class "C". Many young people will have a dabble with drugs - if that drug is legal it will just not be the "rebellion" they crave. I would feel far happier if any such rebellious dabbling was done by way of a wee joint than with something far harder or more dangerous to the health.
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Alan B,

10/06/2008 11:00:24
Devolve the issue so scotland can atleast address the issues in a way which it thinks best.

Personal would legalise it, tax it and ban it from public places. ie u can take it behind closed doors not as part of an amsterdam cafe culture.

By legalising it we should ensure strains of the drug taken minimise health problems.

Problems i can forsee
1)stopping driving under the influence.
2)stopping shops selling it to underage persons. Solution here would be restrict where we sell it. ie a limited and registered number of places. (Could probably bring tobacco into line). Government should come down very hard on underage selling to minors rahter than the soft approach governments take towards criminal activity at the moment.
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alanh,

ek 10/06/2008 11:01:11
course it should be.
it is a lot better for you than alcohol or cigarettes.

They say its a gateway drug, but only because the stupid lawmakers make me go to an illegal dealer for supplies. If it was legalised strength and quality would be regulated, serious testing could be carried out and proper detection methods to prevent stoned driving could be established
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Alan B,

10/06/2008 11:13:53
#alanh

While i agree it should be legalised not sure how u can say it is better for u than alcohol (or cigarettes).

Alcohol taken within moderation is not bad for u. Both taken in large quatities will damage ur health. Smoking it will be carcenegic.

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Capital Boy,

10/06/2008 11:23:16
free cannabis for all !!
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Ananurhing,

10/06/2008 11:24:25
Legalisation would do nothing to thwart the illegal market in cannabis. It would always undercut a heavily taxed legal market, possibly making it cheaper than now. Legalisation would undoubtedly encourage more people to use cannabis,and tobacco. Tobacco is the socially accepted medium to use cannabis.

On the other hand, current legislation necessitates the illegal market, and criminalises otherwise law abiding people.Even de-criminalisation perversely still leaves cannabis in the hands of organised criminals, who then have the market infrastructure to sell other "goodies".
Some kind of liberal approach is the only option.
Prohibition doesn't, and never has worked.
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Alan B,

10/06/2008 11:28:46
#Ananurhing
"Legalisation would do nothing to thwart the illegal market in cannabis"

Why? If people can buy something legally most will.

U can see alcohol and tobacco as examples despite the huge levels of tax on these products. Yes an illegal market is their but it is small in comparison. Much of that is just importing from areas where excise duties are less.
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Ananurhing,

10/06/2008 12:01:40
#40 Alan B

You could be right. I don't know. I do think that given a choice, and access, people will opt to buy their preferred tipple as cheap as possible, especially if they can avoid paying what they see as punitive taxes.
I think the illegal tobacco trade would be much larger if people didn't already have access to legally cheap tobacco from EU countries.
I can't remember the last time I paid UK excise duties on my tobacco. I don't know many people who do.

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Ananurhing,

10/06/2008 12:16:07
#Alan B

Maybe the govt could undercut the existing cannabis market, taking the trade away from the hands of criminals.

A bit like the EU does to westminster with tobacco!
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Calum Crubag,

10/06/2008 12:56:40
The 'herb' aint gonna go away. Might as well ban alcohol - much more damagaing but very profitable. Might as well ban junk food too.

Funny how the Daily Mail-types are all for the 'nanny state' and 'PC' when it comes to banning cannibas.
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hassan i sabbah,

edinburgh 10/06/2008 13:20:10
I made strongly cannabis laced tablet(the sweet sugary kind) for my father in the last days of his life,He said it stopped his nausea,reduced his need for morphine,allowed him some respite to spend very scarce time with his family.In that time my Dad was lucid,and we had the opportunity to talk and reminisce,clear some air,and express our love for one and other.What I did was Illegal.I(and my father,had he lived)could have been arrested and charged.
Criminal.
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An Beal Bacht,

10/06/2008 13:22:04
25 - Miss H, 10/06/2008 09:58:40 wrote:

"22 I have never understood the gateway argument. The fact that a small number of people go on from smoking dope to taking heroin does not mean that one causes the other. I have smoked dope, so has everybody I know. It would be hard to find anybody under the age of 50 who has not been offered it or tried it. But I don't know anyone who committed a crime to buy it. Of course I went to uni in the days when you still got a grant. And didn't have the threat of a local income tax looming. There's another argument for Labour - under the SNP's evil plans for a local income tax students will be forced to commit crime to get their dope."

Good post - agree entirely.
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An Beal Bacht,

10/06/2008 13:30:03
29 - Derek Ogg, Freedom of speech is a phrase used often 10/06/2008 10:23:09 wrote:

"This paper certainly has a problem with juan kerr. It is verging on the vindictive infact. He has just posted above and within 3 mins his post removed.

It would appear speech is not as free as you think in Scotland."

Well said. Both juankerr and Traquir are being targeted as PNG's by this rag. Two of the better informed and interesting posters. These boards are impoverished by their absence.
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Willie Macleod,

Wick 10/06/2008 13:42:50
#44 Hassan There is now a lot of evidence of the medicinal properties of Cannabis.

Of course you should'nt be classed as criminal, for your act of love and kindness.

I am glad you had that time with your father.
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sam the god,

10/06/2008 13:51:55
Legalise cannabis only if you legalise handguns to protect yourself from these junkies.
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Alternative (High Octane) Fuel Head,

Edinburgh 10/06/2008 14:19:06
Isn't it strange how the discussion of the use of cannibis (which is usually smoked) on these pages, doesn't attract the attention of the usual band of air-head morons who want to pour their bile onto anyone who suggests that people might like to smoke and should therefore be allowed to?

Therefore I conclude that it is perfectly acceptable to want to smoke illegal drugs, but woe betide anyone who should dare to light up some LEGAL tobacco---even though the smoking of cannabis and related drugs generally entails smoking tobacco at the same time.
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Neal! Whit? Haud yer Whisht!!,

10/06/2008 14:55:51
I have smoked, and still do, Cannabis for the last 25 years. I have also tried a few other 'drugs' - Charlie, Whizz, Acid, 'Shroom's, MDMA. Most I tried 2-3 times an' that was that. Acid was a bit of a favourite but even that had to stop - too muchoverload potential.

I have never stolen to feed my 'habit' nor have I committed any crime in pursuance of or because of my 'abuse'.

I am one of the most Intelligent and Lucid among my peers - young and old alike. IQ @ 127 - 132!!

I would not condone it's use however, it has taken me down a path whereby I am Not a Really Useful Engine (to coin a phrase)in society.

Don't get me wrong, I work as a shop manager running my bosses shop and his online sales so I am not useless. However I, because of my use, have become a Free-Thinker and all that that conjours up. Of course it also helps that I was never indoctrinated into the church . . . .

Finally, to the point, even if Gov DID legalize dealers would not be eradicated because you can bet your life that pre-made J's would be weak as f**k, exorbitantly expensive, and Taxed to Hell.

dealers would be there to make up the short-fall in supply, but I bet Their prices would go up too!!
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ddmc,

10/06/2008 15:01:54
#50 thats why i advocate the legalising or decriminalisation allowing 2-4 plants for people like us to be self sufficient
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Neal! Whit? Haud yer Whisht!!,

10/06/2008 15:12:16
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Cool ideas, but how could you guarantee quality? i wouldn't want to be able to buy, plant and grow seeds just to find it's cr*ppy Nigerian Bush or summat!

Also 2-4 plants would not be sufficient for a years supply, you can't not harvest because I'm told they get quite 'leggy' and lose their 'heads' if you don't.

Personal allowances of up to 7 grams is ok in my opinion, not too small but not big enough to be a dealer.
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john-boi,

strathclyde 10/06/2008 16:41:07
Neal! Whit?

There is huge industry selling top notch seeds from holland. At the moment it is legal to buy and own seeds but not to grow in the UK.
By January it will be illegal to even possess seeds. So the Government will have created another market that violent criminals will control...madness of prohibition when will they ever learn???

If it was legal for an adult to grow say 5 plants on their own propery as it is in Spain you would have no problem getting good seed as my Spanish friends do.

But this won't happen as the Government and in particular the alcohol lobby would never allow an untaxed intoxicant to be freely grown by its own citizens that is too much freedom.Plus you might get people freely choosing the less harmful cannabis in preferance to alcohol. Imagine the money that would be lost if this occured. But I guess the money saved by the NHS and the Police and justice system not wasting time with the drunken youths that prowl our streets may balence that loss out. We really need studies to do a cost benefit review of the probable results of Cannabis regulation. The ones i have seen show that we would save a fortune to spend on schools and Hospitals that we waste on prohibibiton noe.

See http://transform-drugs.blogspot.com/ for more info on all this stuff.
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Kiltie Kiltie Caldbum,

3 sters up 10/06/2008 16:41:07
This is a direct slap in the face to the Vietnamese who have come here to make their fortune.
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First Minister,

Purplehaze Cafe 10/06/2008 17:28:03
Hey man
I think that it is proven without any doubt now that it is Tobacco that is the gateway drug to all illegal drugs and that we should de-criminalise and legalise ALL Drugs but only sell them in licenced premises (this includes tobacco ) and that i should be the 1st person in Scotland to hold this licence ( past history- ahem) and i would seriously consider investigating the banning of Tobacco, in an Independent Scottish Republic!
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Jock MacTamson 2,

Highlands 10/06/2008 20:02:09
Some interesting facts

The first recorded use of cannabis was in 2700 BC as a medicine in China. The first archaeological remains of cannabis in England date back to 400 AD where evidence suggests that it was cultivated at Old Buckenham Mere. In 1563, under the rule of Queen Elizabeth I, it was law that if you owned more than 60 acres of land, some of it had to be set aside to grow cannabis, or you would be fined five pounds. Recreational use of cannabis was first prohibited in England in 1928.


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Horrible Cankers at the Cyber Shebeen,

10/06/2008 20:02:44
Aye that'll be right...ye kin buy them in a certain Glesga market fir a damn sight cheaper than that...until January? it seems as another poster has indicated...not that I smoke the stuff any more...made me a paranoid adolescent who was convinced that my life was a film and I was a really bad actor...

Anyway alcohol kills FREE THE WEED...
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Horrible Cankers at the Cyber Shebeen,

10/06/2008 20:03:12
Got a bit emotional there...to many aperatifs...
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Horrible Cankers at the Cyber Shebeen,

10/06/2008 20:03:27
..too many..even..
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Jock MacTamson 2,

HIGHlands 10/06/2008 20:10:00
7,000B.C. First recorded uses of cannabis in central Europe

6,500B.C. Yangshao Culture in China - clothes, the nets they fished and hunted with, and the ropes they used in the earliest machines were all made of hemp.

6000 B.C. Cannabis seeds used for food in China

4000 B.C. Textiles made of hemp are used in China. Remains have been found of hemp fibers from this period and from Turkistan a century later. 2737 B.C. Chinese Emperor Sheng Nun described cannabis as a superior herb
2727 B.C. First recorded use of cannabis as medicine in Chinese pharmacopoeia The Oen-ts-ao Ching.

2000 B.C. Xia Dynasty prescribes marijuana preparations for

"malaria, beriberi, constipation, rheumatic pains, absent-mindedness, and female disorders."

2700 B.C. A tomb from this time, was found to have hemp as fiber, oil and medicine

2000 B.C. Emperor She hadn-nung, prescribes marijuana preparations for

"malaria, beriberi, constipation, rheumatic pains, absent-mindedness, and female disorders."

1500 B.C. Cannabis cultivated in China for food and fiber

1500 B.C. Scythians cultivate cannabis and use it to weave fine hemp cloth.

1000 B.C. Hemp cultivation begins in India.

1200 - 800 B.C. Bhang (dried cannabis leaves, seeds and stems) is mentioned in the Hindu sacred text Atharva Veda (Science of Charms) as "Sacred Grass", one of the five sacred plants of India. It is used by medicinally and ritually as an offering to Shiva.

700 - 600 B.C. The Zoroastrian Zend-Avesta, an ancient Persian religious text of several hundred volumes, and said to have been written by Zarathustra (Zoroaster), refers to bhang as Zoroaster's "good narcotic" (Vendidad or The Law Against Demons)

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Jock MacTamson 2,

Highlands 10/06/2008 20:12:39
0 - 100 A.D. Construction of Samaritan gold and glass paste stash box for storing hashish, coriander, or salt, buried in Siberian tomb

28 A.D. Tung-kuan archives records that after a war-caused famine, the people subsisted on "wild" Cannabis and soybean

70 A.D. Hemp cultivated for the first time in England

70AD - Pedanius Dioscorides mentions the use of cannabis as a Roman Medicine

170AD Claudius Galenus of Pergamum(Galen) alludes to a physoactive cannabis seed confection.

105 A.D. China - Ts'ai Lun invented “modern” paper. (bark, hemp, rags & water)

500-751 A.D. “Isochanvre” A building material made from hemp hurds mixed with lime that petrifies into a mineral state, is used by Roman Builders 500-600AD Judist Talmud states euphoriant properties of cannabis
600 Vikings, Franks and Germans make paper, sails, rope, and other products from Hemp

900AD - Arabic Scholars debate the pros and cons of eating hashish. Use spreads

throughout Arabia.

1090 – 1256 In Khorasan, Persia, Hasan ibn al-Sabbah, the Old Man of the Mountain, recruits followers to commit assassinations...legends develop around their supposed use of hashish. These legends are some of the earliest written tales of the discovery of the inebriating powers of Cannabis and the supposed use of Hashish.

1200 Hemp Based Beer very popular for knights of this era

1215 Magna Charta was printed on Hemp paper

1256 Alamut falls

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Jock MacTamson 2,

Highlands 10/06/2008 20:13:14
Early 12th Century Hashish smoking very popular throughout the Middle East.

12th Century Cannabis is introduced in Egypt during the reign of the Ayyubid dynasty on the occasion of the flooding of Egypt by mystic devotees coming from Syria. (M.K. Hussein 1957 - Soueif 1972)

1155 – 1221 Persian legend of the Sufi master Sheik Haidar's of Khorasan's personal discovery of Cannabis and it's subsequent spread to Iraq, Bahrain, Egypt and Syria. Another of the earliest written narratives of the use of Cannabis as an inebriant.

13th Century The oldest monograph on hashish, Zahr al-'arish fi tahrim al-hashish, was written. It has since been lost.

13th Century Ibn al-Baytar of Spain provides a description of psychoactive Cannabis

13th Century Arab traders bring Cannabis to the Mozambique coast of Africa

1231 Hashish introduced to Iraq in the reign of Caliph Mustansir (Rosenthal, 1971)

1271 – 1295 Journeys of Marco Polo in which he gives second-hand reports of the story of Hasan ibn al-Sabbah and his "assassins" using hashish. First time reports of Cannabis have been brought to the attention of Europe.

1378 Oman Emir Soudoun Scheikhouni issues one of the first edicts against the eating of hashish, to end the use of Indian hashish by destroying all such plants, and imprisoning all users (first removing their teeth for good measure). Interesting to note that after a few years consumption increased

1456 Guttenberg Bible printed on hemp paper

1494 Hemp papermaking starts in England

1526 Babur Nama, first emperor and founder of Mughal Empire learned of hashish in Afghanistan

1535 Henry VIII declared that 1/4 acre of hemp must be grown by landowners, or they would be fined

1545 King Philip of Spain orders hemp growth throughout his empire to provide food, sails, rope, towels, sheets, shirts, medicines and relaxants to his peoples

1545 He
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1549 Angolan slaves brought cannabis with them to the sugar plantations of northeastern Brazil. They were permitted to plant their cannabis between rows of cane, and to smoke it between harvests

1563 Queen Elizabeth I decrees that hemp must be grown by land owners who own 60 acres or more, or they would be fined

Mid-16th Century The epic poem, Benk u Bode, by the poet Mohammed Ebn Soleiman Foruli of Baghdad, deals allegorically with a dialectical battle between wine and hashish

17th Century Use of hashish, alcohol, and opium spreads among the population of occupied Constantinople

1600 Galileo's note’s written on hemp paper

1606 French Botanist Louis Hebert planted the first European hemp crop in North America in Port Royal, Acadia (present day Nova Scotia, Canada)

1611 First hemp Crop planted in the state of Virginia

1619 James Town, it was a criminal offence to not grow cannabis 1631 Hemp is used as currency for bartering throughout American Colonies 1631 Massachusetts passes law to make it a criminal offence to not grow cannabis 1632 Connecticut passes law to make it a criminal offence to not grow cannabis 1635 Plymouth, Virginia plants first hemp Crop 1635 First permanent European settlement in North Carolina. The local tribe, known as Tuscarora (In the Skarure dilect of Iroquois, Tuscarora means "hemp gatherer")
1637 General Court at Hartford ordered that "every family within this plantation shall procure and plant this present year one spoonful of English hemp seed in some soyle."

Late 17th Century Hashish becomes a major trade item between Central Asia and South Asia

17-18th Century In order to foster America's Independence, Farmers and citizens are encouraged to pay their taxes in hemp. It is recognized as legal tender.

1713 Chief Tom Blunt, from an opposing Tuscarora Tribe, assisted the European settlers in capturing
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19th Century Hashish production expands from Russian Turkistan into Yarkand in Chinese Turkistan

1809 Antoine Sylvestre de Sacy, a leading Arabist, reveals the etymology of the words "assassin" and "hashishin"

1807 Treaty of Tilset between France and Russia, to stop Russian trade with Britain, its allies, or any other neutral nation acting as agents for Britain

1812 France Invades Russia, for failure to stop trading with Britain (note: Russia is Britain main Supplier of hemp)

1825 Hemp industry started in Missouri

1839 Medical School of Calcutta (W.B. O’Shaghnessy) observed the use of hemp for indigenous treatment of various disorders and found that a tincture of hemp was an effective analgesic, anticonvulsant and muscle relaxant

1840 In America, medicinal preparations with a Cannabis base are available. Hashish available in Persian pharmacies

1840 Opium Banker William Bingham Baring MP(UK) announced that "an exhalation of the Hemp plant, easily collected at certain seasons, which was in every way more injurious than the use of the poppy."

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1850 United States Census records 8,327 hemp plantations

1851 Hashish appears in Greece

1854 Westendorp finds a Aspergillus species attacking Cannabis

1856 British tax ganja and charas trade in India

1860 Hemp production in Kentucky alone exceeded 40,000 tons

1863 The Emancipation Proclamation written under the light of a hemp oil lamp

1870 – 1880 First reports of hashish smoking on Greek mainland

1871 A response to Mark Stewarts questions – “The Governor General is of the opinion that while ganja may be among the most noxious of all intoxicants commonly used in India... even if absolute prohibition could be enforced, the result might be to induce the use of more noxious drugs"

1873 Viceroy of Imperial Administrators(UK) determined “It does not appear to the Governor-General to be specifically proved that hemp incites to crime more than other drugs or spirits." And "General opinion seems to be that the evil effects of Ganja have been exaggerated."

1875 Cultivation for hashish introduced to Greece

1877 Kerr reports on Indian ganja and charas trade

1880 Grimault Indian Cigarettes Advertised as a Cure for Asthma

1890 Greek Department of Interior prohibits importance, cultivation and use of hashish

1890 Hashish made illegal in Turkey

1891 Mark Steward MP(UK) Enquire whether further steps should be taken to limit consumption of hemp

1893 – 1894 The India Hemp Drugs Commission Report is issued.

1893 – 1894 70,000 to 80,000 kg of hashish legally imported into India from Central Asia each year

1894 The Encyclopaedia Britannica estimated that 300 million people, mostly from Eastern countries, were regular marijuana users. Millions more in both the East and the West received prescription marijuana for such wide-ranging ills as hydrophobia and tetanus

1901 UK Royal Commission concluded that canna
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1907 California, labeled marijuana 'poison' and by 1915 prohibited its possession unless prescribed by a physician and by 1929 hemp was included among hard narcotics, such as morphine and cocaine

By 1929, 16 western states had passed punitive restrictions

Early 20th Century Hashish smoking very popular throughout the Middle East

1915 - 1927 Cannabis begins to be prohibited for non-medical use in the U.S., especially in SW states...California (1915), Texas (1919), Louisiana (1924), and New York (1927)

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Jock MacTamson 2,

Highlands 10/06/2008 20:46:07
#74 McMadman.

When younger I joined a few rizla's.

I found the article worth posting as I cannot do that tinyurl thing the clever ones use to link to a website so I just copy/paste.

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Jock MacTamson 2,

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I think there are many more important issues for the police and government to be dealing with than p1ssing around chasing young boys with a few grams of hash in their pockets. Which is what over 50% of all criminal convictions for drugs involves.

The real problems with drugs started when the doo gooders got involved and started banning substances that the population are going to consume reglardless of the legal status.

It creates a black market and a very lucerative trade. Now youngsters in Scotland are passing money to the despotic dictators of the world like Burma, North Korea, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Columbia just becuase our political leaders are f'ds who are too scared to admit they are all wrong and badly advised. they have created a monster.

The war on drugs is a war on the people who take drugs which is far too many for their to be a war in the first place.

Regulate and control the trade. Deny the profit to the Cartels and Pimps. Improve society.

Drugs can either fund option 1 or option 2

Opt1 Racketerring, Kidnapping, Prostitution, Gambling, Money laundering, Terrorism,

While using up tax money to pay for Police, Judiciary, Prisons, Military, Hospitals, Hostels, Etc

Opt2 Medical Resources

While creating Tax to pay for said resources.

People are going to get high anyway.
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#77 Joe McT.

Mental illness develops often at teenage years when children go through many changes. I know kids who were daft long before their parents where able to blame it on drugs.

It is a very understandable mistake to make. In the Lancet report last year that was widely reported in the press in a totally incorrect context they quoted 30%increase in likelyhood to be mentally ill than if you did use cannibas.

If I recall correctly it was 1.2% of population are mad anyway but in the group studied who has used cannibas it rose to 1.6%. The group included many military personnel who have seen active service as well as highly stressed social conditions and fear.

The report went to to further explain that cannibas does not make you mad. You were going to be mad anyway it just brought it up sooner. If you are not mad to start with it will not make you mad.

It has always been with us. It is only now a problem.

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Richard James,

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If anybody here thinks cannabis users are more of a social problem than drinkers you must be living on another planet.

You cannot exempt alcohol users from drug law - the first thing to make people realise is that alcohol is a very serious drug and should rightfully be classified as a class A drug under the current system.

Effects of prohibition aside; alcohol is the most destructive, dangerous, severely mind-altering drug in use today. It kills 4 times as many people a year as all other drugs combined, it causes millions of pounds worth of criminal damage, causes hundreds of violent incidents in every town every weekend. It costs millions to police, costs milions to run hospitals busiest times, and costs millions to clean up the mess after. I could go on and on...

It is scientific fact that cannabis is a less harmful drug, to the user and to society - therefore anybody who supports alcohol being legal must acknowldge that less harmful substances should be classified appropriately.

The choice is one of logic:
Ban alcohol or legalise cannabis.
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Richard James,

Paignton 12/06/2008 16:05:58
^^^
That comment was aimed at Annabel Goldie not the other comments above. I challenge you Annabel - out of alcohol and cannabis which is the "extremely harmful substance"?

 

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