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Published Date: 06 March 2008
The redrawing of Edinburgh's constituency boundaries could spell trouble for some at Holyrood, says political editor Ian Swanson.
POLITICIANS are poring over maps, checking their election data and doing their sums. There's only a week to go before the deadline for objections to the latest planned shake-up of Edinburgh's political map.

Click here to open PDF map of the boundary changes


The proposals would see a radical redrawing of the city's six Holyrood constituencies in time for the next Scottish Parliament elections in 2011. And the lines on the map put forward by the Boundary Commission could help decide the fate of city MSPs as surely as votes in the ballot box.

The commission has produced proposals for the whole of Scotland – and the map they have come up with involves much bigger changes than many expected. In Edinburgh it looks like Labour and the Tories risk losing out, while the Liberal Democrats in particular stand to gain.

The commission – made up of a judge and two academics, advised by an official – is strictly independent and has to base its recommendations on achieving constituencies with roughly the same population, while taking into account local authority boundaries.

Individuals and community groups can object to the way the proposals affect their own area and there is almost certain to be a public inquiry before the end of the year. Labour and the Tories are likely to submit alternative plans for the whole city. The Lib Dems and the SNP seem happy to let the boundary changes take their course.

The debate at the inquiry will be about preserving natural communities and historical ties. But the sub-text is all about parties trying to make sure they don't lose out from the changes.

So what are the proposals and what would they mean?

Labour's Sarah Boyack looks the MSP most at threat from the shake-up, with her Edinburgh Central seat set to be radically reshaped. Traditional Labour areas like Stenhouse, Saughton and part of Abbeyhill would go and less favourable areas like New Town and Stockbridge would come in.

Having won a hard-fought campaign to hang on to the seat against a strong challenge from both the Lib Dems and the SNP at last year's election, Ms Boyack would face an uphill struggle to hold it again if the new boundaries are approved. She is keeping her powder dry until Labour has decided on its response.

She says: "I was re-elected less than a year ago to serve the constituents in my current seat and that's what I will be concentrating on."

But it is understood one of the issues the party will highlight is the plan to split Gorgie and Stenhouse. "That's an obvious community of 8000 people which would be broken up by these plans," says a Labour insider.

The Tories are relatively happy with the boundary changes across the country. They believe the new map could mean ten potential Tory seats as opposed to the four they currently hold. But they are definitely not impressed with the plans to redraw the Edinburgh Pentlands seat held by former leader David McLetchie.

The Boundary Commission wants to remove the Tory stronghold of Fairmilehead and neighbouring South Morningside and put them into Edinburgh South instead, but add in Labour-voting Stenhouse and Saughton.

Tory calculations suggest Mr McLetchie should be able to hold on with a much-reduced majority of under 1000, but Labour believe the changes could give them the advantage.

Mr McLetchie says he could still win the seat on the new boundaries but he will be objecting to the proposals because they would mean splitting Fairmilehead from Colinton and the Oxgangs and Colinton Mains area which are all covered by the same council ward.

He says: "I would prefer to see the whole of that ward within one parliamentary constituency rather than split."

MR McLETCHIE will also argue strongly for the name Pentlands to be retained rather than changing to the anodyne "South West", which has already been adopted for Westminster.

He says: "It's trying to suggest the Westminster and Scottish Parliament boundaries are the same by using the same names, but they are not and it is downright misleading to give them the same names."

The commission proposes – rather unconvincingly – the Holyrood seats be named South Edinburgh, West Edinburgh and so on, rather than Edinburgh South and Edinburgh West, to distinguish them from Westminster constituencies.

But Mr McLetchie suggests Edinburgh South could follow the Pentlands example and be renamed Edinburgh Braids; Edinburgh West could add Queensferry to its title to underline the extent of the seat; Edinburgh North & Leith could revert to plain Leith as a reflection of its new boundaries; and Edinburgh Central could be renamed Edinburgh Castle – or even Arthur's Seat.

Lib Dem Margaret Smith's West seat is the least affected by the proposals and her comfortable majority should remain.

The proposed changes for South – removing the Labour-voting areas of Moredun and Gilmerton and bringing in South Morningside and Fairmilehead – are widely seen as making the seat safer for the Lib Dems who took it from Labour at the 2003 Scottish Parliament elections. One Labour source says: "For us, it's goodbye to South for ever."

Moredun and Gilmerton would be transferred into East, the seat won by Kenny MacAskill for the SNP when Labour's Susan Deacon stood down last year. That might be seen as helping Labour to win it back, but the SNP says it has a good vote in these areas. And that expansion is matched by the removal of Musselburgh.

The political impact of the changes in North & Leith are also viewed as broadly neutral, even though the New Town and Stockbridge would be removed and Leith Links, part of West Pilton and an area around Fettes would be added in.

The Lib Dems listed the seat, currently held by Labour's Malcolm Chisholm, as one of their targets last time.

However, the biggest change in the constituency – the massive growth from the Waterfront development – has not been taken into account because the commission has to base its calculations on the existing numbers of voters rather than projections. That will have to wait for the next boundary review around 2020.





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  • Last Updated: 06 March 2008 9:20 AM
  • Source: Edinburgh Evening News
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Ian Swanson
 
1

Thistledhu,

Fife 06/03/2008 10:25:05
Labour and conservatives putting forward suggested constituency boundrys ?
Anyone heard of gerrymandering!!!
2

glassbenmhor,

06/03/2008 10:56:51
Anyone herd of Labour in five years or so!
I cannot believe how screwed up Brown is in the prevailing wind of change,yup Labour's version of Alex Douglas Home,AH AH AH
3

The Master,

06/03/2008 11:10:50
I expected McLetchie’s objections to be excuses for gerrymandering, but I’m pleasantly surprised to find that they’re not. He’s quite right that Fairmilehead has strong ties with Colinton and that the name “Edinburgh Pentlands” would be appropriate to distinguish it from the Westminster constituency. However, I have to say that McLetchie’s a goner, even if he does succeed in keeping Fairmilehead. The Nats syphoned off many Labour votes as a protest the last time, but it’s fairly obvious that they will return to the fold and that the addition of a few Labour areas will be more than enough to topple him.

Whatever the SNP may say, I have no doubt that Edinburgh East will return to the Labour fold following the reorganisation. The SNP may think that Moredun and Gilmerton are fertile ground for them, but this is only if one looks no further back than their high water mark of the last Scottish Election. Edinburgh has always been extremely hostile to the Nats, who have always been seen as a party of Tartan Tory areas such as Perthshire and anti Edinburgh. I blame the inclusion of Musselburgh in the constituency for the loss of Edinburgh’s Nat free zone status and am glad to lose the town from the constituency. There should be Edinburgh votes for Edinburgh seats: we’re one of the least nationalist areas of Scotland, as the SNP will find out to their cost come the next elections.
4

The Master,

06/03/2008 11:17:46
#1 Rulesbutnorulers: the reason for the generous number of MSPs in the parliament is that there is no second chamber to review legislation and therefore a vast number of MSPs are needed to man the various committees which were set up to redress the balance. I agree that there were too many MPs at Westminster prior to their being cut back following the establishment of the Scottish Parliament, but I would not say that this applies to the number of MSPs at Holyrood under present arrangements.
5

Porty Nat,

Edinburgh 06/03/2008 13:30:15
Take the Labour blinkers off for a minute, 'Master', and look at some hard numbers.

The SNP topped the poll in the Lothians region last May, beating Labour into 2nd place. Even if you take out the strong SNP areas of West Lothian and concentrate solely on the Edinburgh seats (& Musselburgh), the SNP were still less than 4,500 votes behind Labour (53,216 plays 48,885)

There's a number of professional party 'hacks' in Edinburgh hostile to the SNP, but the numbers would appear to suggest that non-partisan voters are prepared to give the SNP a fair crack of the whip.

Labour are on their way down and the SNP are still on their way up - that's a trend I expect to see continue at the next election and beyond.
6

Alex, Young Laird d' Drumchapel,

Madrid 06/03/2008 14:16:25
The problem for 'Master' is that many people before didn't vote for the SNP in Edinburgh because no-one thought they could win - that hoodoo is now well and truly broken.

When I was in Edinburgh for the glorious win last May, I talked to a tax-driver. He told me that he had been Tory all his life and had turned. He said that it was the same for everyone he had known that had voted Tory. He said he never thought he'd ever vote SNP. The conversation continued and I told him that it was natural for an Edinburgh Tory to vote SNP now that they can see Edinburgh developing into a real capital city. He gave me a big smile, shook my hand and I knew that he'd be convincing everyone he knows that Edinburgh needs more SNP. Good governance is bedding that in nicely.

Another thing, how do you think all Labour's sleaze stories will be going down when Edinburgh now have a government to be proud of? Will they chose Wendy over Alex? And, once proud of said parliament who do you think the good folk of Edinburgh will back in a head-to-head between Westminster and their very own parliament? No prizes...

My friend. Labour pulled out all the stops to get close to the SNP at the Holyrood election. That was the best they could do and it didn't work. They'll never have the strength to get anywhere close again.

The spell has been broken!
7

Jock Politicaljunkie,

Glasgow 06/03/2008 14:44:51
#6 and #8 sum it up perfectly for you Mr Master.

The biggest misapprehension you have is in stating that the SNP result last May was some sort of high water mark. The SNP have clearly surpassed that level of support since showing the entire country how well the Government CAN be run when in the hands of honest, intelligent, hard working people.

It is the sridden, Red Tories that are well and truly past it and receding from THEIR high water mark. A level they will never again reach. The inept performances of Wendy, Cathie, Jackie, Andy Kerr, Charlie Gordon and the rest of the self serving former party of the people, will keep them out of power for a long time. This boundary change won't help either.

Why do you think Wendy and Nicol bottled it when Salmond threatened to go to the country if the Budget was voted down?!? They have their own party polling and they KNEW they would have been hammered.

As Alex sums up at #8, "The spell has been broken!" The SNP can win anywhere in Scotland and that will bring out even more support. They picked up a number of seats from 3rd place last May - No unionist is safe.
8

subrosa,

06/03/2008 14:46:34
# 4 'we’re one of the least nationalist areas of Scotland, as the SNP will find out to their cost come the next elections.'

It's taken me a while to stop laughing and type. Edinburgh thinks it IS Scotland - how nationalistic is that? The people of Edinburgh have no regard for anyone but themselves.
9

Farmernot,

06/03/2008 15:42:54
Is Paul Nolan's Craigmillar declaring UDI by any chance ??
10

Enrich,

Edinburgh 06/03/2008 16:18:11
"The proposed changes for South – removing the Labour-voting areas of Moredun and Gilmerton and bringing in South Morningside and Fairmilehead – are widely seen as making the seat safer for the Lib Dems..."
Methinks the commentators need to look at the makeup of this area more closely. The bits shifting east include a lot of new owner-occupied housing in places like Carnbee and Guardwell. (Potentially Lib Dem perhaps?)
11

JG,

Fife 06/03/2008 16:40:30
I agree with #1 - THERE ARE FAR TOO MANY MSPs. And someone else mentioned that they were needed to man committees? If they weren't there there would be fewer committees - most of it is junk anyway. Classic case of working to fill the available space.
12

The Master,

06/03/2008 16:45:22
#8 Alex: I think I talked to that self same taxi driver recently! We agreed that the trams were a waste of time, but he went on to lament that the SNP were unable to save us from them. In any event, I think that a period in opposition is just what Labour need to regenerate themselves and know that politics is cyclical and that the tide will inevitably swing back in Labour’s favour. Think of it this way: when the SNP inevitably run out of steam, there is no party offering a popular nationalist alternative so we will inevitably see a return of the Labour Party and the unionism which you despise so much, whether you like it or not! Your lot may win the next Scottish Election (and even possibly the one after that!) but Labour will be back sooner or later: the recent election of a nationalist administration does not represent a sea change in Scottish politics and everyone knows it!
13

Toast,

06/03/2008 17:55:09
Do not know why labour are protesting they have been fixing boundaries since forever and lets face it the way they are performing and have done for the last eight years who with any sense would waste a vote on them.
14

pehman,

sussex 06/03/2008 19:24:46
Master,
whether you like it or not! Your lot may win the next Scottish Election (and even possibly the one after that!) but Labour will be back sooner or later: the recent election of a nationalist administration does not represent a sea change in Scottish politics and everyone knows it!


ARE YOU STARK STARING BONKERS, YOU SAY THE SNP WILL WIN THE NEXT TWO SCOTTISH ELECTIONS


AND THEN SAY IT'S NOT A SEA CHANGE ?????????????????????
15

Ezekiel Gazooks,

Bute House 06/03/2008 20:07:55
v
16

Richard Lionheart,

still hitting head off taxi roof going over road h 06/03/2008 22:26:54
Whichever party vows on whatever they hold dear to dig up these damn road humps will get my vote
17

Merouane,

Edinburgh 06/03/2008 22:33:51
#14. You're really blaming the SNP for not stopping the trams!? The only thing that led to the trams going ahead were too many Labour, Lib Dems and Tories getting elected. I hope there will be fewer memebers from all three parties after the next election.
18

A Better Way,

Edinburgh 07/03/2008 09:10:32
What absolute nonsense the Britnats have posted above. The sad thing is, they think if they say it often enough, somehow it will be alright.

The Britnat Parties will be absolutely demolished at the next Elections. The Scottish People are not going to vote for the likes of London Labour, with the continous exposure of absolute corruption by them for many years.

Face up to it boys and girls, the days of wine and roses are gone. Scots are not going to take it anymore. We have our own voice now and it starts with SNP. That'll do us for now, and after Independance we will chose Scottish Parties with their Masters being us. Goodbye to Wendy and Goodbye to Brown the incompetent. Its a pity they cant take the Hundreds of Billions in debt they have left this group of Nations. Three or Four Hundred Billion and Counting.
19

Miss Jean Brodie,

07/03/2008 11:14:47
South Queensferry, Newbridge, Kirkliston - Back to West Lothian Please !
20

Reckless,

Corrupt EU 07/03/2008 16:49:37
We need some UKIP MSPs to act as a balance to the lies and corruption coming from Lb-Lab-Con-SNP etc.

 

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