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Published Date: 30 August 2008
REPUBLICAN John McCain made a surprise choice of Sarah Palin, the Governor of Alaska, as his running mate yesterday, adding a political unknown to the ticket who could help him appeal to women voters.
Ms Palin, 44, a self-described "hockey mom," is a conservative first-term governor with strong anti-abortion views, a record of reform and fiscal conservatism and an outsider's perspective on Washington.

"She's exactly who I need. She's exactly w
ho this country needs to help me fight the same old Washington politics of me first and country second," Mr McCain told a crowd of 15,000 supporters in Dayton, Ohio.

Ms Palin was chosen over more experienced and better- known contenders as Arizona senator Mr McCain grabbed the spotlight back from Barack Obama.

"I will be honoured to serve next to the next president of the United States," Ms Palin said, joined on stage by her husband and five children ranging in age from 18 years to five months.

"I've stood up to the old politics as usual," she said. "This is a moment when principle and political independence matter."

Ms Palin, former mayor of the town of Wasilla, is almost unknown nationally. That could hurt Mr McCain's argument that Mr Obama, a first-term senator, is too inexperienced to handle the White House.

But she could appeal to disaffected supporters of Democrat Hillary Clinton.

Mr McCain turned 72 yesterday and Ms Palin is an avid sportswoman who would bring youth and vitality to the ticket.

But Bill Burton, the Obama campaign spokesman, was dismissive: "Today, John McCain put the former mayor of a town of 9,000 with zero foreign policy experience a heartbeat away from the presidency.

"Governor Palin shares John McCain's commitment to overturning Roe v Wade, the agenda of 'big oil' and George Bush's failed economic policies – that's not the change we need, that's just more of the same," he said. Roe v Wade was a 1973 Supreme Court ruling that legalised abortion.

Ms Palin has built a reputation as a reformer in a state that has been hit with corruption scandals. Elected in 2006, she is Alaska's first woman governor. She could be the first woman vice-president, adding another historic element to a presidential race filled with firsts.





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  • Last Updated: 29 August 2008 9:26 PM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: John McCain , US elections
 
1

Newman!,

30/08/2008 00:29:29
Blimey this smacks of desperation. Someone who wants to kill polar bears so that they can drill for oil in Alaska. Would deny a woman an abortion even if she'd been raped. Wants to teach "creationism" in public schools. Very pro-war. Oh but she's a woman so she'll get the female vote.
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Wally,

By THe Rivers Of Babylon (USA) 30/08/2008 00:54:57
Desperation is the word Newman!

she buys the september 11 ideology hook line & sinker. She's very pro-war. She says she likes the Iraq war because it keeps terrorists from attacking America.

She pressured the state police chief to fire a state police officer because her sister was getting a divorce from the guy and they were in a custody battle. She fired a top aide in her office because he was dating a married woman in the process of divorce.

Following is a rumor circulating on DemocratUnderground. When she was pregnant with her 5'th child people in her office couldn't tell she was pregnant because she apparently didn't show. She didn't just get her figure back after the pregnancy, she kept her figure during the pregnancy. Then when she was 9 months pregnant (allegedly) she went to Texas for a conference. At the conference her water broke (the news said). Then she flew home (7 hours) to Alaska to have the baby. Rumors are the baby was really her 16 year old daughter's baby.

Just 3 years ago she was mayor of a town of 10,000 people. She's also worked as a sports broadcaster. a degree in journalism.

here's a picture of her on the cover of Vogue magazine.

http://bp2.blogger.com/_uExTzMIDd1Y/R2O5nKq9_tI/AAAAAAAAATE/At2bb_K_3ao/s400/Sarah-Palin-Vogue.jpg

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Let's have the truth,

Queensland 30/08/2008 01:34:14
#1 Newman

"Oh but she's a woman so she'll get the female vote".

Surely, even American women aren't that stupid!
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2dogs in D.C.,

30/08/2008 01:37:06
I don't know squat about this person, but I hear she's being investigated for firing her former brother in law, A state cop,evidently,and again, I'm not totally clear on all the facts, because he divorced her sister. Yeah, I'm confused too. On another front, it may just remove the Obama's got no experiance club(as in big stick) from the Republican party,as she's been gov.of Alaska 1.5 years.
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mike - across the pond,

newman... 30/08/2008 01:37:21
you sir are a M O R O N...

HUNTING does not mean she's hunting POLAR bears... IDIOT

and Polar bears have NOTHING to fear from oil drilling... the argument is STUPID

denying abortions... well baraks "late term" abortions for convenience... yessir... thats MURDER... flat out... and proves you are reprehensable... no abortions for rape... who said that? more left wing idiot ramblings...

very pro war? her oldest son is heading to Iraq... how do you figure that? again stupid newman babling

your post proves your low IQ....
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mike - across the pond,

2 dogs.... 30/08/2008 01:53:51
she's been in government SIXTEEN YEARS....
executive experience 8 years


Barak... NINE years experience... total...
executive experience Z E R O... not one day...

as far as "wrongdoing".... you probably need to grab a grip... READ CAREFULLY
1) SHE is the CHIEF EXECUTIVE...
2) Alaska is an AT WILL employment state...
3) Police are part of the EXECUTIVE BRANCH OF GOVERNMENT...
4) employees of the EXECUTIVE are employed AT THE WHIM OF THE CHIEF EXECUTIVE...

SHE CAN FIRE HIM BECAUSE HE BREATES AIR.... you may not LIKE that she has that much power... but the scope and depth of that power is granted to her by THE PEOPLE OF ALASKA... and NONE of your business... unless of course you move to the great state of Alaska....
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Let's have the truth,

Queensland 30/08/2008 01:58:40
Appointing this woman as running mate has to be proof that McCain is suffering from dementia.

He has handed the election to Obama.

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2dogs in D.C.,

30/08/2008 02:09:25
Mike-Easy does it. Deep breaths, now. Calm, calm. There now, better?
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mike - across the pond,

lhtt.... 30/08/2008 02:11:12
so "truth"..

what "truth" do you have to back up your low views?

or has your "BDS" evolved into a new virulent mental disorder?
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Lynne,

Palm Beach Gardens 30/08/2008 02:28:57
PLINK...PLINK....the Glass Ceiling is breaking!!
Obama has shown his true colors yet again. He didn't have the decency to congratulate her until he made a remark disparaging her.
He can't talk about experience. She has more than him.
She has my admiration...she is a better person than that empty suit Soros has put up for President.
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Sierra Foothills Scot,

Diamond Springs 30/08/2008 02:42:47
Too bad all of the frothing-at-the mouth posters didn't hear Gov. Palin's very realistic acceptance speech.

The silver tongued toom tabard Obama will bankrupt the country.
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Scullion,

Canada 30/08/2008 02:55:14
This woman is no Maggie Thatcher in intellect or ability to command (and I hated that woman but give the devil her due-and I do mean devil).
A poor choice for VP as it robs McCain of his big "no experience" stick.
Surely Democrat womenkind will not vote for a lightweight right winger because she happens to be the only distaff candidate, would they?
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Let's have the truth,

Queensland 30/08/2008 03:09:19
#12 Lynne

"She has my admiration"

Come off it. Even if McCain had appointed Mrs Mugabe she would have had your admiration.
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Scullion,

Canada 30/08/2008 03:27:10
#17
Oh, I think any reasonably in touch person would have a passing knowledge of her attributes and background.
McCain passed up some excellent candidates for her but the ploy is just too obvious.
A hater socialist-you are simply too amusing.
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Lynne,

Palm Beach Gardens 30/08/2008 03:59:33
#16 Do the words DROP DEAD mean anything to you? You are sitting in Queensland on your high horse looking down on women. DON'T presume to tell me who I admire or should admire.
They have a name for you..mysoginist.
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Let's have the truth,

Queensland 30/08/2008 04:02:55
McCain spent the summer arguing that a 40-something candidate with four years in statewide office and no significant foreign policy experience was not ready to be president. And then on Friday he picked as his running mate a 40-something candidate with two years in statewide office and no significant foreign policy experience.
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Eboneesha,

30/08/2008 04:06:41
18 Scullion

Oh, and since you are a McCain fan which "excellent" repubican VP candicates are you referring to?
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Wally,

By THe Rivers Of Babylon (USA) 30/08/2008 04:10:04
thank you Nancy Pelosi in 10 for setting me straight on the photo. I'm not really sure you're right on the pregnancy though.

Regarding the state trooper incident. Yes, she had him fired because he was in a divorce with her sister. Mike across pond above says that she has authority to fire anyone. This is not actually true. the state's employees have some legal protections and she seems to have violated them with her insistence that he be fired. Her staff repeatedly asked the state's police chief to do something about him. Every time they found out he wasn't fired they'd call back and ask again. She herself seems to have made some calls on it. and on top of that she lied blatantly to the lawmakers and the public about it. then she was caught lying. THey did a poll in Alaska asking if she lied about it, and by 80-12 margin the public said she lied.

Also, she had a guy fired in her office who had an affair with a married woman. and that was the reason he was fired. then she lied to the public about that one too. She said she didn't fire him, but she did.

it is really curious why McCain picked her. the mass media definitely has ammunition to embarass McCain & her badly. the question is will they use it or not. In US politics the media may or may not use such stories. It depends. some people are protected. Some are targeted.
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Eboneesha,

30/08/2008 04:20:57
20 Let's have the truth - funny name

It's funny how you communists try to mis lead people.

Barack Hussein Obama II was in the "Illinois State Senate" which is not excecutive experience, it pales in comparrison to the US Seante.

Since Barack Hussein Obama II became a US Seantor he has spent most of his time running for President so I think he has spent less than 100 days actually being a US Senator.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Sarah Louise (Heath) Palin had more exectutive experience after being the Mayor of Wasilla Alaska than Obama has today. Obama ahs never had a "real" job. Sarah has been a business owner, mother of 5, Mayor, and the Governor of the largest land mass state in the US that boarders Canada. She went to the middle east to visit the troops before Obama and obviouly loves her country.
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Eboneesha,

30/08/2008 04:21:20
20 Let's have the truth - funny name

It's funny how you communists try to mis lead people.

Barack Hussein Obama II was in the "Illinois State Senate" which is not excecutive experience, it pales in comparrison to the US Seante.

Since Barack Hussein Obama II became a US Seantor he has spent most of his time running for President so I think he has spent less than 100 days actually being a US Senator.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Sarah Louise (Heath) Palin had more exectutive experience after being the Mayor of Wasilla Alaska than Obama has today. Obama ahs never had a "real" job. Sarah has been a business owner, mother of 5, Mayor, and the Governor of the largest land mass state in the US that boarders Canada. She went to the middle east to visit the troops before Obama and obviouly loves her country.
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Let's have the truth,

Queensland 30/08/2008 04:23:10
#19

"Do the words DROP DEAD mean anything to you?"

It's amusing when one strikes a nerve.

By the way, Claiming that I'm a misogynist without evidence entitles me to name you as a racist. Your criticisms of Obama are an obvious camouflage for your deep rooted resistance for a black president.

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Eboneesha,

30/08/2008 04:24:15
#22 Wally,By THe Rivers Of Babylon

WTF??? Dude, are you a crack head?
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Eboneesha,

30/08/2008 04:28:15
#19 Lynne

Let's have the truth (name does not fit)

He is not only a mysoginist but has made several racist comments in the past. He is just wants to push buttons.
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Wally,

By The Rivers Of Babylon (USA) 30/08/2008 04:39:56
it is really entertaining that the republican partisans above think she's so well-qualified. She was mayor of a small town (10,000 people) and they call it 'executive experience'. She got into the governor's mansion because the republican leaders at the time had some corruption scandals and she capitalized on it with loud accusations. She's been governor less than 2 years and has managed to make many enemies in Alaska with some scandals generated simply because she's got issues.

The Republicans could choose Mickey Mouse to be their candidate and they'd say it was a brilliant choice to restore US popularity around the world as Mickey Mouse is very popular.

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Wally,

By The Rivers Of Babylon (USA) 30/08/2008 04:50:23
Eboneesha in 26: no I am not a crack-head. You sound like you're on ecstasy.
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Wally,

By The Rivers Of Babylon (USA) 30/08/2008 05:21:00
Eboneesha: maybe you're just having red wine on Friday night and not ecstasy. here are some videos for you to watch.

the relevant story starts about 45 seconds in on this one.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tQx42Tsz5NQ&eurl=http://www.rollingstone.com/nationalaffairs/index.php/2008/08/29/palin-scandal-primer

and on this one the governor is lying.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pak-rH0dCeA

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Let's have the truth,

Queensland 30/08/2008 07:34:07
Scenario:

McCain wins election. McCain either dies in office or develops dementia. Palin becomes leader of the "Free" world.

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Lynne,

Palm Beach Gardens 30/08/2008 08:54:00
Eboneesha
I have been on these posts for 2 years, and have gotten to know the characters here. You seem to be a little newer to these posts. Warning: there are posters on here who will use more than 1 alias, some 2, 3, 4, but you will get to know them by the way they write.
Thanks for standing by me.
These posts made by a mysoginist (LHTT), a conspiracy theorist with a tine foil hat (Wally) who claims he is an American.. Don't believe it for a second!!
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Reaver,

Lebanon 30/08/2008 09:53:58
What's not to like about her? The only thing that leftists can attack is her time in office, where she has had more time making executive decisions than BO ever has. She is a right wing cinderella story. It's about time!
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Let's have the truth,

Queensland 30/08/2008 10:16:59
#27

"LHTT has made several racist comments in the past".

Put your money where your mouth is. What are they?
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Let's have the truth,

Queensland 30/08/2008 10:17:10
#27

"LHTT has made several racist comments in the past".

Put your money where your mouth is. What are they?
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Let's have the truth,

Queensland 30/08/2008 10:22:07
If time making executive decisions is a measure of one's fitness for office why don't the repugnants nominate, now who was that guy running Enron?
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Guga II,

Rockall 30/08/2008 11:38:22
#30 Wally.

I'm surprised that McCain chose this woman when she is under investigation for abuse of power. In addition, if the 87.5% of people polled think she is lying, that may translate into people not voting for McCain.

It is also quite surprising that she doesn't seem to know what the job of being Vice President is about. It doesn't say much for her "executive experience".

#12 Lynne.

You would vote for a dead horse if it was a republican candidate.

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Wally,

By The Rivers Of Babylon (USA) 30/08/2008 11:58:51
I see Guga viewed the YouTube clips I put up in #30. The Alaskans are convinced she lied to them prominently in what they call the 'commission' scandal. They call their state police agency the police commission or something similar. I think she actually fired the state's police commissioner because he wouldn't fire this one state police officer she wanted fired. Then eventually her brother-in-law was fired to satisfy her. I believe they have laws or rules in alaska that do not allow her to do that. Not only that she fired a man in her office because he was dating a married woman in the process of a divorce. Not only that in Alaska they had a commission set up to govern farm subsidies from the state. The commission recommended stopping subsidies for dairy farmers. Palin didn't like that, she fired the entire commission and replaced it with others. Then shortly after it became evident that the previous commission had made a good decision, that the subsidies required were too large, the state wasn't willing to provide the money and Palin was defeated on that issue after she had fired the entire commission. Not only that Palin lied blatantly to the public today when she said that she was against that 'bridge to nowhere'. Palin was for the bridge to nowhere when the US congress was willing to fund it. Then they withdrew funding. The state legislature of Alaska was not willing to fund it, that is when she began to oppose it. Here is a link.

http://www.the-peoples-forum.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=4018&Disp=0

Alaska has for some reason been very capable at getting lots of what we Americans call 'pork barrel' spending from the US Congress. For many years they had republican leaders who excelled at this. Then those republican leaders got into corruption problems and their situations were untennable. They were chased out. She got on the band-wagon while they were being chased out, she did not lead the charge. At the same time she doesn't hesitate
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Wally,

By The Rivers Of Babylon (USA) 30/08/2008 12:00:12
I see Guga viewed the YouTube clips I put up in #30. The Alaskans are convinced she lied to them prominently in what they call the 'commission' scandal. They call their state police agency the police commission or something similar. I think she actually fired the state's police commissioner because he wouldn't fire this one state police officer she wanted fired. Then eventually her brother-in-law was fired to satisfy her. I believe they have laws or rules in alaska that do not allow her to do that. Not only that she fired a man in her office because he was dating a married woman in the process of a divorce. Not only that in Alaska they had a commission set up to govern farm subsidies from the state. The commission recommended stopping subsidies for dairy farmers. Palin didn't like that, she fired the entire commission and replaced it with others. Then shortly after it became evident that the previous commission had made a good decision, that the subsidies required were too large, the state wasn't willing to provide the money and Palin was defeated on that issue after she had fired the entire commission. Not only that Palin lied blatantly to the public today when she said that she was against that 'bridge to nowhere'. Palin was for the bridge to nowhere when the US congress was willing to fund it. Then they withdrew funding. The state legislature of Alaska was not willing to fund it, that is when she began to oppose it. Here is a link.

http://www.the-peoples-forum.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=4018&Disp=0

Alaska has for some reason been very capable at getting lots of what we Americans call 'pork barrel' spending from the US Congress. For many years they had republican leaders who excelled at this. Then those republican leaders got into corruption problems and their situations were untennable. They were chased out. She got on the band-wagon while they were being chased out, she did not lead the charge. At the same time she doesn't hesitate
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Wally,

By The Rivers Of Babylon (USA) 30/08/2008 12:10:43
Mike across pond is a little bit of a camp follower when he boasts of her 'executive experience' when being a mayof of a town of 10,000 people. when she finally did get to be governor of Alaska (less than 2 years ago) she developed determined enemies in Alaska very quickly is what she did.

LHTT makes great point above the guy named Ken Lay who was an CEO of Enron had executive experience too. It means nothing in itself. She has an honesty problem, she fires people for personal reasons, she's very limited in her morality in that she loves war and death and destruction.

As well, many people say they'll vote for McCain because he had 5-1/2 years of prison time in Vietnam. Well, Gary Glitter had some prison time over there too, doesn't mean he's a good person to vote for. here's some links on that.

http://www.vietnamveteransagainstjohnmccain.com/index.htm

http://hope2012.wordpress.com/2008/07/26/songbird-mccain-the-evidence-in-his-own-words-his-fellow-veterans-and-his-captors/

Some of his fellow prisoners called him 'songbird'.
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Wally,

By The Rivers Of Babylon (USA) 30/08/2008 12:23:24
what I missed in 39 is that Palin talks about how she rooted out corruption & politicians associated with pork barrel or 'earmark' spending schemes. But her record is that she seeks these types of spending programs for her state. She's not a reformer as she says. she's a charlatan. read the links.

Also, I think McCain should've picked a VP candidate with integrity to vote no on those foolish spending programs. Ron Paul would've been a good one.

Witness how the McCain team tries to take credit for something they just don't do and do the things they criticize others for.

Witness also how the Republican camp followers just don't care. They'll cheer as our country goes off a cliff and blame anyone who even points out that we're going off a cliff.

We don't need Republican big spenders. John McCain was a US Senator during the 1995-1999 period when Republicans controlled by House & Senate and we had no foreign war, yet Republicans voted spending increases at a faster rate than when Democrats controlled House & Senate in the previous years. McCain's also was a Senator in the 2001-2004 period when there was not only a Republican congress, but a Republican president and spending increases by government were fantastically high.

Ron Paul voted 'no' for those spending increases. McCain voted 'yes'. If you favor big-government or communism, vote McCain. But McCain offers the delusion that he doesn't do this, I know thats very attractive to the camp followers.
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Postmark-55,

China, 30/08/2008 12:34:08
#12 Lynne,
Lynne, give your head a shake, you know squat about this woman, yet you claim she's better than Obama.
You better give it some time before you go making a statement like that. The woman after all is a politician, so she can be only so good.
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Wally,

By The Rivers Of Babylon (USA) 30/08/2008 12:49:40
I found a picture of her from her youth.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v376/atomica/2808403325_219ec1e61e.jpg

Also, she's admitted on tv that there was an incident in her youth where she acquired a criminal record. She said it was a 'misunderstanding'. But if you review the videos I put up above, she has a tendency to lie. Here is a link, you can pay money to find out more money about whatevr criminal incident it apparently was.

http://criminalsearches.com/details.aspx?id=w1x00xCA&vw=criminal&1=fNLmbL2fNdMJMxQwBI1ov9P7uetY%2bMJeTWUpZIyzHVw%3d&input=name#top

McCain met with her once before selecting her. I thought the VP selections were scrutinized more carefully than this???

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Wally,

By The Rivers Of Babylon (USA) 30/08/2008 14:35:54
D-945 in 45:

I read National Review cover to cover every issue for 10 years. Then it morphed into a neo-con magazine. I haven't read it since. If you want to know what makes the neo-cons tick, then look up the intellectual named E. Michael Jones. He will tell you. When National Review had the conservative intellectuals writing for them back in the 1960's & 1970's it was a very good magazine. Not any more.

But I think it is useful to consider the crack-up of America. I put up links to local media in Alaska about Sarah Palin. and it is ridiculed as 'left wing hate sites'. George Washington warned us that our practice of breaking up into factions would facilitate evil. and he was right. Look how dysfunctional our conversation is.

I'm not really pro-Obama, but if you criticize one side, then many people assume that this is your motivation. That is dysfunctional as can be.
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Guga II,

Rockall 30/08/2008 14:42:53
#38 Nancy "Dog" Pelosi.

Your problem is obviously that you can't find yourself a man, so you stick to women.
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Laurette,

Southern California 30/08/2008 16:25:25
If John Mcain and Sarah Palin become President and Vice President, the Conservatives will be ecstatic. Why? Presidents come and Presidents go but a Supreme Court appointment last 20-30 years. Long after John McCain and Sara Palin are gone; a Conservative Supreme Court will be the gift that keeps on giving.
Keep in mind that the Supreme Court decides far more cases that affect women (Equal Pay, Title Nine, Workplace Discrimination, Sexual Harassment, etc) than it does social issues.
These women who are ecstatic over Palin's choice are apparently anti-feminists. If Roe v Wade is overturned, look for Griswold v Connecticut as the Conservatives next target.
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Kelvino,

NY 30/08/2008 17:02:46
I hear that Sarah Palin can gut-out a salmon in 7 seconds and completely scale it in 8 !

This is the kind of experience we Americans need from this pistol-packin' mama !

I would suggest that many of you living in the civilized world might want to exclude the good 'ol USA from your travel plans for the forseeable future.
It appears that the right-wing morons are desperate to
prove how truly self-destructive they can be, in their quest for the "end days," or other such nonsense.
The good news is. . . . . you old viagra-driven, bitter old men are a dying breed. Time for your prostate meds !
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Sandi,

San Diego 30/08/2008 17:39:36
Wow, why all the hate towards a woman you know very much about, and most of what you "know" is false rumor?

Here is a profile from the Wall Street Joutrnal-and what a pity the Scotman didn't see fit to print something similar. I hope it opens OK for you.

http://preview.tinyurl.com/55kdzh

Wally, knock it off with the stupid pregnancy rumors. That is really low.

While I disagree with her on virtually every policy position, this is a strong, successful woman who, because of those policy positions, is precisely what McCain needed to solidify the Republican base. She is very smart, and yes. she has a lot more executive experience than Obama, Biden or McCain.

Few, if any, of Hillary Clinton's supporters will vote for McCain because of Sarah Palin's political views. If they vote for him at all, it will be simply a protest vote at the corrupt, criminal way the Democratic nominee was selected.

However, it's clear that the major media will just dust off their misogynistic Clinton playbook.

What this has very succesfully done is limit Obama's "bounce" from his acceptance speech to 1% at the most-per Rasmussen's daily tracking. LOL!
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Wally,

By The Rivers Of Babylon (USA) 30/08/2008 17:47:35
Kelvino in 52:

Pastor John Hagee of Texas is the one who supports the idea of pre-emptive war by the US towards muslims in order to bring on this armageddon/return of jesus. I don't advocate that myself at all. Pastor John Hagee prominently endorsed John McCain at his church with John McCain right by his side and broadcast on christian tv all over America.

The 2 links I put up in #30 are from Alaska media. Here's 3 more links all from Alaska media.

http://www.adn.com/politics/story/469135.html

http://www.andrewhalcro.com/shadow_governor

http://mudflats.wordpress.com/2008/08/29/what-is-mccain-thinking-one-alaskans-perspective/

Until 2 years ago she was mayor of the very small town of Wasila (10,000 people). She had the state's police commissioner fired because he refused to fire her brother-in-law. Then the new police commissioner did fire Wooten. Not only that she lied massively about the whole thing to everyone (see the local tv stories I put up in 30). Not only that she fired another guy because he dated a woman that she said he shouldn't have dated. Not only that in the governor's campaign 2 years ago she supported the bridge to nowhere. But on national tv today she's claiming she was against it. Yes, she was against it after congress withdrew funding, for it while congress would fund it.

She is a big spender. She constantly supports subsidies for Alaskans. Not just federal subsidies, but subsidies funded by the state as well.

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Wally,

By The Rivers Of Babylon (USA) 30/08/2008 18:15:58
Sandi in 53:

The pregnancy story is not a rumor. It was reported right in the Washington Post. Here is all that was reported in Washington Post. She was 9-months pregnant with a baby that she knew was a Downs Syndrome baby. She flew to Texas (11-hours) for a conference. At the conference her water broke. She stayed at the conference after this happened to give a speech. After the speech she did leave going straight to the airport. She got on a plane and flew 11-hours back to Alaska. Then she had the baby. The Washington Post is one of themost important newspapers in America. All of this was reported right in the WP, it is not a rumor.

The rumors are that she wasn’t really pregnant, that it was all a deception as her 16-year old daughter was pregnant. People think this because she did not look pregnant late in the pregnancy. I have no idea if this rumor is true or not. But I do think it curious that a 9-month pregnant woman would fly 11-hours and then fly another 11-hours after her water breaks. Especially given that Downs Syndrome babies frequently require life-saving medical attention immediately upon birth.
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TM,

LA, USA 30/08/2008 18:22:43
Interesting how on the Scotsman's Politics page, There are two headline stories about Obama at the top, and the very important story about McCain announcing his runningmate is buried in the "More Stories" section below....
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Sandi,

San Diego 30/08/2008 18:26:27
Wally, Yes, you are correct, I'm sorry. The story about her last minute flight is true. It does seem a little bizarre to me.

The other one, as you pointed out, is a malicious rumor.

Sorry, it's still early here, I must not have had enough coffee when I wrote that!

Palin's former brother-in-law is a very unsavory person and probably should not be a police officer at all. He tazered his own, nine-year-old son, a fact substantiated by an investigative panel, he made threats against the life of Palin's father, his former father-in-law. That has not been substantiated, but it is one of those he said/she said things. He's such a creep, it wouldn't surprise me at all. Not having enough evidence to prosecute him isn't the same as him being innocent.
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TM,

LA, USA 30/08/2008 18:26:52
.......and how the Scotsman uses the dismissive term "Hockey Mom"........

Not to imply that there is the slightest chance that the Scotsman might be the tiniest bit biased in this contest...
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Laurette,

Southern California 30/08/2008 18:27:48
#51 What does Palin have to do with Supreme Court appointments? Those would be chosen by McCain, not her. You sound like some who want them to be picked not for their purpose but rather to be Senators in robes.
You are assuming that McCain is not going to die, which would make Palin President and therefore in the position of nominating Supreme Court Judges. Since she is a Born Again Creationist - I think her choices would be disastrous to this country.
As for the rest of your comment - I have no idea what you are trying to say. Can you try a bit harder?
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Sandi,

San Diego 30/08/2008 18:28:41
Wally, one more thing, the WaPo used to be a lot more important than it is now. You really can't assume that anything you read there is fact, any more than in any other "news" publication.
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Kelvino,

NY 30/08/2008 18:31:43
D-945

I vote for anyone who appears to follow my basic Christian values, the ones mentioned by Christ in "The Sermon on the Mount." These ideas are my yardstick for judgement, in life and in politics.

That being my personal lens of judgement, I can only vote for candidates who embody these ideals, whom you would refer to as "left-wing extremists," which Jesus Himself was also considered.

As Obama reminded us, "We ARE our brother's keepers". . .are we not ? If not, then no claim can be made to be Christian in any possible way.
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Jewel of the Forth,

Fife 30/08/2008 18:31:50
56 Wally

Stop with your malicious rumors. You are a unpleasant person.
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Jewel of the Forth,

Fife 30/08/2008 18:36:33
62 Kelvino

Christ was a teacher so he was more in your American sense right wing, not left wing. Left wing would hook them on your government assistance while the right wing would teach them to work.
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Wally,

By The Rivers Of Babylon (USA) 30/08/2008 18:38:55
57 - that is interesting. and I have kept my sarah palin posts on this page, not on those.

read that opinion piece by the journalist named Andrew I put up in 54. Why did they select her? All this stuff came out in the Alaska media the last 3-4 months.

You know Clinton had a lot of scandals against him coming out in 1991-1992 prior to him being the Democrat nominee. It was all comparmentalized and kept from the national media. This will be the same likely.

The people that rule us want us to live with these types of prominent deceptions given to us in order to let us experience cognitive dissonance. These scandals I've highlighted will likely be spoken of by liberal pundits on US tv, but they will probably not actually communicate the facts of these scandals. In this way people would still be in the dark.

It could be that this woman's scandals fit the bill for this type of an agenda. Why would they want us to experience cognitive dissonance? Read up on it, I won't explain. But one advantage of this approach over time is that it furthers the agenda that national mass media news is the real news and other news is false news. You can see how many Americans are already brainwashed into this mentality.

OTOH, perhaps McCain just wanted her despite her negatives as she shores up his base and projects a younger, female image for the sake of politics.

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Wally,

By THe Rivers Of Babylon (USA) 30/08/2008 18:42:22
Sandi in 58: no reason to apologize, but thanks anyway. It was a pretty fantastic story. I have a hard time believing that she was not pregnant. but that is what people are saying at DemocratUnderground web site. If she wasn't pregnant, there should be some better evidence.

I feel funny talking about such a personal subject. but in America we've really learned to get in the mud when it comes to our national politics. and she is up for an important office (potentially president).
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Wally,

By The Rivers Of Babylon (USA) 30/08/2008 18:44:56
TM in 59:

Sarah Palin described herself as a 'hockey mom'. thats where the term came from.
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TM,

LA, USA 30/08/2008 19:02:03
Wally #67

Yes she does but I don't think she would choose that as her defining term. Governor would be more appopriate is this context.

Interesting how you didn't comment on the fact that this story is buried down the page compared to the Obama stories or my assertion that the North Briton, oops, I mean the Scotsman might be a little biased...
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connaughtboy,

stonehaven 30/08/2008 21:16:06
Man she is feckin fit!
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Eboneesha,

30/08/2008 23:02:39
#48 Henry II,North Shore

We knew Ron Paul was a radial socialist in one of the few liberal districts in Texas but I never knew he was such a racist, thanks for the link.
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Eboneesha,

30/08/2008 23:06:07
#69 connaughtboy,stonehaven

For an older woman she is nice looking. I bet if Hillary had 1/2 her looks and personality Bill Clinton would not have gone around molesting all of those women.
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Eboneesha,

30/08/2008 23:12:48
#61 Sandi,San Diego

That's why so many call it the Washington Compost & The New York & LA Slimes.
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Wally,

By The Rivers Of Babylon (USA) 31/08/2008 00:13:46
Eboneesha in 70:

That is very interesting info on Ron Paul. I would bet that you are very pretty (for a little girl).
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Let's have the truth,

Queensland 31/08/2008 01:14:32
I gather this woman is pro-life and pro guns. That's like a hangman being opposed to the death penalty.
75

Let's have the truth,

Queensland 31/08/2008 02:19:33
Her Monty Python's Flying Circus namesake Michael Palin, has brought the repugnant campaign to an hilarious stage.
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Tearlach,

Juneau, Alaska 31/08/2008 07:05:14
This pick by McCain I think was brillant for a number of reasons, one being that it has caught the democrats completely flat footed. They simply do not many of their facts straight.

The narrative that Palin was mayor of a small town until two years ago is flat out inaccurate. She was mayor of Wasilla until 2002 when she entered state level politics. Between 2002 and 2006 she was involved in a long an bitter fight against state corruption, at times within the State Government, at times without. Ultimately, she won, the corrupted politicians indicted, convicted and defeated and she herself won the governorship. I am just at amazed that the factually inaccurate talking points coming out from the Democrats about Palin. It is to their own peril that they underestimate her.

Fact about the trooper firing: there was no firing. Repeat, no one has been fired (except the public safety commissioner who serves at the pleasure of the Governor). When Palin entered office as governor, she was asked a number of questions by her security detail, one of which was whether anyone had made threats against her or her family. She responded that a certain individual, who is a law enforcement officer witht the State Troopers has threatened to kill her father. That touched off a series of events with apparently with no further input from her. To this point in time though the trooper in question has not been fired. Even though this law enforcement officer has threatened to kill someone, he is still on duty.

My thought is even family members of a governor are entitled to protection.

On the experience question, as the sitting governor of a State, she has more executive experience than any of the other three people on either ticket. I am really surprised the Obama team is going there.

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Wally,

By The Rivers Of babylon (USA) 31/08/2008 22:49:03
Tearlach in 76:

here's what I know about Palin.

When she ran for governor she was interviewed by journalists and said she supports the bridge to nowhere. After she was governor congress withdrew funding and then she opposed the state funding it. Then when she's a VP candidate she prominently lists her opposition to that bridge as credentials as a reformer.

She lied prominently about this Monegan firing. She pressured monegan improperly to fire her brother-in-law. Alaska has laws & rules which made it improper for her to do that. She did it and then she lied about it. Monegan had been a state employee for 19 years, he got no severence pay. He thought the policeman Wooten was a good officer and refused to fire the guy. This Kopp guy who replaced Monegan was also fired and fired for frivilous reasons, 2 weeks on the job. Kopp says Palin lied about circumstances surrounding that. Bitney was fired by Palin because he dated the wrong woman. Then Palin lied to the public about those circumstances as well. Palin had an entire commission about dairy subsidies fired because she disagreed with them on an issue. Then the new commissioners all disagreed with palin also as did the state legislature and Palin lost on that issue.

Palin does not have a record for being frugal with taxpayer money. She has a track record of consistently favoring subsidies of all kinds and lots of government spending. And I read she hired a Canadian contractor to build a $500 million pipeline against the wishes of her fellow republicans.

Dishonesty speaks very loudly and in a negative way concerning a person's character. character is probably the #1 requirement for this job. she doesn't have it.

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mike - across the pond,

wally 01/09/2008 09:29:49
wooten tazered his 10 year old step son...

THAT is a good officer?

wooten was drinking and driving HIS POLICE CAR

THAT is a good officer?

wooten poached a moose

THAT is a good officer?

you or me.... we're fired for drinking on the job...

you or me.... the other 2 we're in jail over....
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Wally,

By The Rivers Of Babylon (USA) 01/09/2008 19:22:39
Mike, you make good points in 80. And thanks for that link on other thread concerning pregnancy scandal.

The police commissioner Monegan refused to fire Wooten because he thought Wooten should be retained. Perhaps he had other info on Wooten to indicate he was a good officer. The law protected Wooten from being fired by the governor (who was his sister-in-law at one time). Palin abused this law and abused Monegan by firing him as well. and she lied to the public about it.

The executive branch is to enforce laws. Palin doesn't respect laws and she has a problem with honesty.

 

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